Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Wednesday, July 31 2002   Volume 01 : Number 912




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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:19:25 -0600
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?

I've gone the other route as well, changing filter every 3,000 miles and
topping off with fresh oil to fill, doing a full oil and filter change at
around 10,000 miles.

Of course using your synthetic oil of choice...


- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent


on 7/29/02 11:04 PM, fastmax at fastmax@cox.net scribbled:

> That's kind of an old wives tail ---  the story is, the filter will pick up
> some
> junk from the engine and be partially plugged and therefore be able to
> filter out finer and finer particles. The filter is designed to filter a
> certain
> minimum size particle and if the oil and the filter are changed regularly it
> will do the job required. The same story has been applied to air filters.
>
> Another line of thought is that if you change the oil every 3000 miles
> you can get buy with changing the filter every other change. You
> could probably do that with little or no ill affects but all you save is the
> cost of a filter which is kind of minimal. As long as you're doing the job
> you might as well do the whole thing.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:27:59 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Revisiting - Replacement speakers for Infinity Sound
System

Hi Matt:  I did a little research. According to crutchfield.com the 3000gt
uses 6 3/4 inch speakers up front. They have no replacements they recommend.

Going to etronics.com I found the following speakers that look like they
would fit. They all look like very good speakers. The pioneers look like the
best deals. Maybe you should call these people. They have a lot of different
speakers on their website and they are half the price of crutchfield.

Andy

|   Infinity Kappa 652.5I 6 3/4" 2-Way Speakers (PAIR)


 Pioneer TS-A1667 6 1/2" / 6 3/4" 3-way Speakers (PAIR)

 Pioneer TS-A1767 6 3/4" 3-way Speakers (PAIR)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Costanza" <mcostanza@austin.rr.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:07 PM
Subject: Team3S: Revisiting - Replacement speakers for Infinity Sound System


| Ok. I seem to be running around in circles in my attempt to get
replacement
| speakers for my 97 3000GT SL. I have the Infinity sound system. My left
| front speaker is blown. I am now also getting some rattling from my right
| rear speaker. I'm looking to replace both door and rear speakers. I have
| gone throgh the messages as well as the FAQ at the 3si.org site but I
can't
| seem to get an exact answer. My visit to a local Custom Sounds seems to
have
| added to the confusion.
|
| From what I have learned, the Infinity system has a distinctive cross-over
| system to all of the speakers in the car. This complicates matters when
you
| just want to replace the speakers. While aftermarket speakers may "fit"
into
| the car, they most likely will not sound very good or no be driven at the
| required power levels when compared to the stock speakers. This makes is
| very dificult to just replace the stock speakers with aftermarket
speakers.
|
| I went to a local Custom Sounds to inquire about the Infinity Kappa series
| speakers. I learned of these speakers from another member here on the list
| (Mike with a 97 SL as well). Custom Sounds has explained to me that the
| Infinity Kappa series speakers may work but they will either not sound
that
| good due to the way the stock speakers are powered from the amp or not be
| powered correctly due to the unique crossover rating from the stock
| speakers.
|
| I explained to the folks at Custom Sounds that I'm not really interested
in
| replacing my whole system. Just the speakers. So, anyone here have any
info
| on replacement speakers that will 1) fit in the front door and rear
panels,
| 2) Work correctly with the existing Infinity Sound system.
|
| I'm not really interested in replacing the speakers with the same stock
| speakers. They are made of paper and are *very* prone to being blown. I
| don't want to go through the exercise again in a few months or so.
|
| Thanks in advance for any info..
|
| Regards,
| --
| Matt Costanza
| Austin, Tx USA
|
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:58:02 -0700
From: "Rivenburg, Pete" <privenburg@firstam.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?

Hey Bob, isn't there a spring loaded bypass valve inside the oil filter (or
inside the block I forget)in case the filter gets too clogged?

Pete Rivenburg
ISD
First American Title
Phoenix, AZ
(602) 685-7523
Privenburg@firstam.com



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:04:31 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?

My point was that the filter is designed to work properly when first
installed.
As it plugs up with debris it does indeed reduce the size of the particle
trapped but it also reduces flow. There is no improvement in the operation
of a filter by letting it get clogged up. If the filter is indeed improved,
then
let's just start selling dirty filters

        Jim Berry
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From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: <Team3S@Team3S.com>
Cc: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>; "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
> > That's kind of an old wives tail ---  the story is, the filter will pick
up
> some junk from the engine and be partially plugged and therefore be able to
> filter out finer and finer particles. The filter is designed to filter a
> certain minimum size particle and if the oil and the filter are changed
> regularly it will do the job required. The same story has been applied to
air
> filters.
> > Another line of thought is that if you change the oil every 3000 miles you
> can get by with changing the filter every other change. You could probably
do
> that with little or no ill effects but all you save is the cost of a filter
> which is kind of minimal. As long as you're doing the job you might as well
do
> the whole thing.
> >         Jim berry
> ---------------------------->
>
> 'fraid not.  That's *not* an 'old wive's tale'..., it's sound science.  It's
> published on everything from the K&N FIPK install manual to the Fram site.
As
> particles 'clog' up the filter (ANY filter - water - oil - air), those
larger
> particles themselves filter smaller particles.  Pure logic, Captain Kirk...
> As per the FIPK manual, "the filter actually works *better* the dirtier it
> gets".  Says the same on my home Ultrapure water filter system, too.  You
can
> change the filter 'as long as you're at it', OR you can leave it in for a
> second oil change cycle and filter the smaller particle that *will* get
> through a new filter.  Change it every *other* cycle, if you believe the
> manufacturers.  (And this old NASA engineer)...  ;-)
>
> Best,
> Forrest
>
>



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:27:01 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...

I had to pull the fusible link to get my ABS pump to stop running.
(I didn't know the link was bolted down, so I removed it with a pair of pliers
and broke the sucker plumb in half).

So why is my pump running continuously, even with the engine off?

It happened at the track when the car overheated, but the pump ran
continuously for another 12 hours until I got home and pulled the link.

Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:38:45 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...

There is a relay on the ABS unit that hangs up --- it's a bit of a pain to get
at, you need to remove the plastic shields in the wheel well. The part is
probably cheap as is the fusable link --- the 10 A fuse should stop the pump
also [ I think ---- hmmmm, maybe not with the relay hung up ].

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...


> I had to pull the fusible link to get my ABS pump to stop running.
> (I didn't know the link was bolted down, so I removed it with a pair of
pliers and broke the sucker plumb in half).
>
> So why is my pump running continuously, even with the engine off?
>
> It happened at the track when the car overheated, but the pump ran
continuously for another 12 hours until I got home and pulled
the link.
>
> Rich/slow old poop
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:53:35 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...

>> So why is my pump running continuously, even with the engine off?

Interesting question. If I am reading the circuit diagram correctly, the
fusible link (#7) that you pulled (broke) supplies power directly (without
switching) to two relays inside the hydraulic unit (HU). These two relays are
switched on/off by the ABS Control Unit (ACU). Apparently, the ACU energized
one or both relays in the HU and they stayed that way even though power to the
ACU was turned off when the ignition key was turned off.

Now I do not know enough about the electronics to understand why this would
occur. Can the switching transistors (for the two relays) inside the ACU
stay "switched to ground" after the power is removed? Relays are usually
extremely dependable devices. What are the chances that one or both failed
somehow in the HU? Perhaps there is another cause of the problem?

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:42:33 -0400
From: "chris weil" <cweil@si.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: tires and ABS!

Hey Guys,

I joined the team about 2 weeks ago and have been reading the emails and the
different sites and learning a lot the whole time. But, I have some
questions:

1) I need to purchase All-Season tires(18's). Living in one of the 5
boroughs of NYC  I need a tire that can handle the rigors of city driving as
well as the occasional jaunt on a NJ highway!! Any suggestions??
2) I recently noticed that my ABS light stays lit constantly. I brought it
to the Mitsu dealer and was told that I need the ABS brain and the ABS unit
itself, but the cost will be 3k(parts and labor)!!!   Is it possible for a
person with below average-average mechanical skills to do the job? Does it
need to be computerized?  And where might I be able to get a shop manual?(I
called the number on the site listed and they said they don't offer the 3000
manual)
If I can't do it, does anyone know of a reputable mechanic/garage in the
NYC/NJ area where I can get it done? And where can I get the parts at a
decent price?

Let me know if you have any suggestions!

Chris
97 VR4



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:26:13 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Revisiting - Replacement speakers for Infinity Sound
System

Matt-

Just last week i installed 6x9 3 way kappas in my car.  they negate the need
for a sub unless u want very loud sound.

Now your sound shop doesnt know what they are doing.  I have infinity kappas
all the way around the car. Now they would of course sound better with an
aftermarket amp. . but i didnt want big loud boomy sound, just clear and
crisp with the volume on max. . which is loud enough. . plus they wont ever
blow out again.


Ok so 6/12s bolt right in. . simply take the door panal off and plug em in.
Jeff Lucius's site has step by step instructions.

The 6x9s had me a little confused at first. . .they are 3-way and come with a
little crossover to split the signal to the big cone and 2 tweeters, but
there is only one input from the amp, so i put grommetts on each copper wire
lead, then hooked them up to the speakers, and wrapped them in electrical
tape just to be sure they dont come undone.

the Dash speakers are 3 1/2. . the closest thing that any aftermarket company
makes in 3 3/4 inches. So i drilled out the dash a bit with a dremel, sanded
down the edges, and then put new covers over them.

You must be careful with sound shops, which will always try to sell  u stuff
u dont need. I have the exact set up they say will not work, and ill tell you
its great. I am not a sound engineer, but to my ears it sounds great, like
the stock system only much clearer.

- -mike
97 SL

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:44:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn vrfour <vr4glenn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals [was] Team3S: tires and ABS!

I purchased the 2 manuals from Rockville Mitsu
(mitsupartsdirect.com).  Took them a week to get them
in, $125 for the set.  Call them and ask for the team
3s discount.

Glenn
93 vr4

- --- chris weil <cweil@si.rr.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I joined the team about 2 weeks ago and have been
> reading the emails and the
> different sites and learning a lot the whole time.
> But, I have some
> questions:
>
> 1) I need to purchase All-Season tires(18's). Living
> in one of the 5
> boroughs of NYC  I need a tire that can handle the
> rigors of city driving as
> well as the occasional jaunt on a NJ highway!! Any
> suggestions??
> 2) I recently noticed that my ABS light stays lit
> constantly. I brought it
> to the Mitsu dealer and was told that I need the ABS
> brain and the ABS unit
> itself, but the cost will be 3k(parts and labor)!!!
>  Is it possible for a
> person with below average-average mechanical skills
> to do the job? Does it
> need to be computerized?  And where might I be able
> to get a shop manual?(I
> called the number on the site listed and they said
> they don't offer the 3000
> manual)
> If I can't do it, does anyone know of a reputable
> mechanic/garage in the
> NYC/NJ area where I can get it done? And where can I
> get the parts at a
> decent price?
>
> Let me know if you have any suggestions!
>
> Chris
> 97 VR4
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wow..fused rotor

http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=114cc1c4f66bdcab5b3434d15ddce70d&posti
d=780585#post780585

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:54:27 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Wow..fused rotor

and everybody wonders why I use antiseize compound on the hubs and rotors
...

Chuck (unstuck) Willis



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:26:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Les Gemar <lesgemar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1991 VR-4

Quick question for you 3000GT VR-4 buffs. I have a
1991 VR-4, black with
> 58,000 miles on it. I am going to sell it. What is a
fair asking price?


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Les Gemar <lesgemar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1991 VR-4

Quick question for you 3000GT VR-4 buffs. I have a
1991 VR-4, black with
> 58,000 miles on it. I am going to sell it. What is a
fair asking price?


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn vrfour <vr4glenn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1991 VR-4

Price is dependant on several factors, one of which is
location.  VR-4s in the Pacific NW cost more than the
mid-west, for example.  Which is why my dealer trucked
mine from Ohio.

Best advice is to look at autotrader.com and find the
going rate in your part of the woods.

Glenn (from Seattle)
'93 VR-4 (from Ohio)

- --- Les Gemar <lesgemar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Quick question for you 3000GT VR-4 buffs. I have a
> 1991 VR-4, black with
> > 58,000 miles on it. I am going to sell it. What is
> a
> fair asking price?
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:18:03 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?

I agree with Jim.  What kind of small particles are you concerned with since
you just dumped the old oil and replaced it with new?

Chuck Willis

- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax [mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:05 AM
To: BlackLight; 'Team 3s'
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?


That's kind of an old wives tail ---  the story is, the filter will pick up
some
junk from the engine and be partially plugged and therefore be able to
filter out finer and finer particles. The filter is designed to filter a
certain
minimum size particle and if the oil and the filter are changed regularly it

will do the job required. The same story has been applied to air filters.

Another line of thought is that if you change the oil every 3000 miles
you can get buy with changing the filter every other change. You
could probably do that with little or no ill affects but all you save is the
cost of a filter which is kind of minimal. As long as you're doing the job
you might as well do the whole thing.

        Jim berry



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:14:50 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: hoot owl...

Another theory that's been floated is that a little of the K&N oil gets
sucked into the BPV, and that's what causes the hooting.  It'll go away with
any aftermarket BOV/BPV.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan C. Sheffield [mailto:a92rttt@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 8:29 AM
> To: Alex Pedenko; team3s@team3s.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: hoot owl...
>
>
> The filter does not cause the bpv to leak. It just allos you
> to hear it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Pedenko" <pedenkoa@msu.edu>
> Subject: Team3S: hoot owl...
>
>
>
> > Now I get
> > the infamous "hoot-owl" right around 3,500 rpm. My question
> is why does
> the
> > filter prompt this? I had a blitz sbc-id installed and I
> would think the
> > higher pressure would cause the BPV to leak, not just the
> filter. Is there
> > an explantion for this?
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:39:54 -0700
From: "James Mutton" <james@playstream.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: hoot owl...

I can debunk that one.  Mine hooted with the Blitz SUS filter (stainless
filter no oil).  Replacing the BPV with the Blitz BOV solved it. :)

James Mutton (vrrrr4)
95 3000GT VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geddes, Brian J [mailto:brian.j.geddes@intel.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:15 PM
To: team3s@team3s.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: hoot owl...


Another theory that's been floated is that a little of the K&N oil gets
sucked into the BPV, and that's what causes the hooting.  It'll go away
with any aftermarket BOV/BPV.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:33:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny Edwards <ftr3000gt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: auto to 5 speed

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Hey everyone i've been looking for a 3000gt for a while and i found one with
everything i want in cali, only downside is its auto and i was hoping to get a
5 speed... Has anybody  done an automatic to 5 speed swap? Roughly how much
will this cost me? PLease respond



Danny



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 put up a web page with
photos and all the particulars, including Pat's email so you can contact her
directly.  She is also listing the VR4 on autotrader.com, so if you are
interested in buying it, contact her ASAP.
http://solidearth.com/users/mfowler/

- ---Forrest



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:35:03 EDT
From: Peacezoneboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: What's shakin'?

hi,
    i just joined your club few days back and i was thrilled to get so much
info about 3000GT via the mailing list. its' been very fruitful to me.  i
just thought that i might get one of my questions answered with your help. i
have '97 3000GT (SL) and my mitsubishi/infinity stereo system requires me to
put  some 4 digit code before i can use it to play cd's or turn on the radio
and obviously i don't have the code. what should i be doing?

anjani K shiwakoti
san francisco, CA

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:57:48 -0700
From: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Stereo Codes (was: What's shakin'?)

Anjani...

Welcome to the Team3S list. There's a serial number on top of the
stereo. Any dealership can pull the stereo and get the four digit code
from Mitsubishi.

BTW...it's helpful if you write a subject line that describes the
content of your message. It makes it easier when other's are searching
the archives with the same question.

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Peacezoneboy@aol.com [mailto:Peacezoneboy@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:35 PM
To: mike21b@ptd.net; team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: What's shakin'?

hi,
    i just joined your club few days back and i was thrilled to get so
much
info about 3000GT via the mailing list. its' been very fruitful to me.
i
just thought that i might get one of my questions answered with your
help. i
have '97 3000GT (SL) and my mitsubishi/infinity stereo system requires
me to
put  some 4 digit code before i can use it to play cd's or turn on the
radio
and obviously i don't have the code. what should i be doing?

anjani K shiwakoti
san francisco, CA


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:58:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: "desronar@excite.com" <desronar@excite.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wheels Upgrade

Hi guys,

I got a Stealth 93 R/T twin turbo with 16" wheels.
Since there is not so much good wheel vendor in Canada, I have been shopping
on the Internet to get something delivered to my door....

I have been looking for new wheels 17" or 18" - But very hard to find through
the internet for that type of car mainly because of the front caliper size.
Some website vendor are offering some selection base on the car I got, but I
wonder if they have really try them on a Stealth before.

Any Wheel suggestions are really welcome !!!

Thanks
Daniel Desrochers


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:22:52 +0000
From: "Andrei Kryjevski" <abk_4@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: oil viscosity vs temperature question

Hello:

10W30 means cold viscosity is 10 (in some units) at some fixed low
temperature and 30 (in some units) at some fixed high temperature (say a
typical engine operating temperature). Right?

I am wondering why I am seeing a drop in oil pressure at idle (light is on)
after the engine has been warmed up (stock temperature gauge just below the
middle) compared to the cold engine. Shouldn't viscosity attain it's maximum
value? Could anybody explain this to me?

Thank you.

Andrei Kryjevski.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:21:58 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheels Upgrade

> Hi guys,
> I got a Stealth 93 R/T twin turbo with 16" wheels.
> Since there is not so much good wheel vendor in Canada, I have been shopping
on the Internet to get something delivered to my door....
> I have been looking for new wheels 17" or 18" - But very hard to find
through the internet for that type of car mainly because of the front caliper
size.
> Some website vendor are offering some selection base on the car I got, but I
wonder if they have really try them on a Stealth before.
> Any Wheel suggestions are really welcome !!!
> Thanks
> Daniel Desrochers
- ----------------------------->

Both Ann Koch and I have the 18" SRS GT-1's, available on Tire Rack
www.tirerack.com.  Tire rack will ask for your car and model and list a number
of other wheels as possibilities...  Ann has Big Red Porsche brakes on her car
(which are larger than the stock calipers) and they fit just fine.  You can
see a photos of them here:
on Ann's car:  www.team3s.com/SPIR102701/AnnKoch.htm
on my car:  www.Team3S.com/Images/18inchSRS-GT1.jpg

Good luck!

Forrest



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:32:17 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...

Try the TIM at Jeff Lucius's site
 [  http://www.stealth316.com/images/stim/tim_05-10.gif  ]

Caps had a couple of relays for the ABS the price on one of them
was $154   what the *&##@&^ are these guys thinking.

I looked at my warranty repair and they show a $188 relay [ mb618039 ] which
Rockville sells for $154 [ BFD ] and a labor charge of about $150.

        Jim Berry
==========================================

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...


> Can you be more specific about the relay? Where is it, what does it look
like?[
> Rich
>
> At 08:38 AM 7/30/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >There is a relay on the ABS unit that hangs up --- it's a bit of a pain to
get
> >at, you need to remove the plastic shields in the wheel well. The part is
> >probably cheap as is the fusable link --- the 10 A fuse should stop the
pump
> >also [ I think ---- hmmmm, maybe not with the relay hung up ].
> >
> >        Jim Berry
> >==========================================
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
> >To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:27 AM
> >Subject: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...
> >
> >
> >> I had to pull the fusible link to get my ABS pump to stop running.
> >> (I didn't know the link was bolted down, so I removed it with a pair of
pliers and broke the sucker plumb in half).
> >>
> >> So why is my pump running continuously, even with the engine off?
> >>
> >> It happened at the track when the car overheated, but the pump ran
continuously for another 12 hours until I got home and
pulled
> >the link.
> >>
> >> Rich/slow old poop
> >>
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> >
> >



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:35:19 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...

I think the issue is pitted contacts that cause the contacts to weld
themselves
together at some point in there operation. I would guess if you cut the power
and tapped on the relay in might release.

        Jim Berry
===================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...


> >> So why is my pump running continuously, even with the engine off?
>
> Interesting question. If I am reading the circuit diagram correctly, the
> fusible link (#7) that you pulled (broke) supplies power directly (without
> switching) to two relays inside the hydraulic unit (HU). These two relays
are
> switched on/off by the ABS Control Unit (ACU). Apparently, the ACU energized
> one or both relays in the HU and they stayed that way even though power to
the
> ACU was turned off when the ignition key was turned off.
>
> Now I do not know enough about the electronics to understand why this would
> occur. Can the switching transistors (for the two relays) inside the ACU
> stay "switched to ground" after the power is removed? Relays are usually
> extremely dependable devices. What are the chances that one or both failed
> somehow in the HU? Perhaps there is another cause of the problem?
>
> Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
> To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:09:41 -0700
From: "Mosher, David" <dmosher@ea.com>
Subject: Team3S: Any advice on simple "Cost Effective" bolt on mods that
deliver more pony's

Hey Guys,

I am a Nebee to the list but I must say the info read over the past few days
has been very useful; Thanks.

I have a 92 pearl white VR4 183k  that I am restoring. I have just finish the
paint work and I was looking for some advice on simple "Cost Effective" bolt
on mods that deliver more pony's?  My long term goal is to keep the car
primarily stock or at least limit my mods so that I can easily return to stock
parts.

Thank you for your time.

David.

PS.  I live in SFO CA  and I am in search of a reputable parts/accessories
shop.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:12:50 -0700
From: "Mosher, David" <dmosher@ea.com>
Subject: Team3S: Any advice on simple "Cost Effective" bolt on mods that
deliver more pony's

Hey Guys,

I am a Nebee to the list but I must say the info read over the past few days
has been very useful; Thanks.

I have a 92 pearl white VR4 183k  that I am restoring. I have just finish the
paint work and I was looking for some advice on simple "Cost Effective" bolt
on mods that deliver more pony's?  My long term goal is to keep the car
primarily stock or at least limit my mods so that I can easily return to stock
parts.

Thank you for your time.

David.

PS.  I live in SFO CA  and I am in search of a reputable parts/accessories
shop.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:01:02 -0700
From: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?

Matt...

Perhaps the key is "supposed to". There have been threads in the past
about better filtering with a dirty filter. This doesn't make sense to
me, taken to the extreme it would mean a clogged filter is the most
effective. I think the better filters are designed to remove any
particulate matter that's large enough to cause damage. I also
understand some brands have a bypass valve so that, when pressure builds
up too much (from clogging), the oil can still circulate through the
engine. Then you (in effect) have no filtering whatsoever.

Another key is the brand of the filter. There was a study done some
years ago, cutting away the casing, comparing the internal components,
square inches of filtering material, and filtering material type. I
believe the owners of this study were forced to remove it from their
website because it showed that some of the more "famous" (meaning
"heavily advertised") and expensive filters were made with lower quality
materials. So, I think the brand of filter you use will make a
considerable difference as well.

I change my filter and oil every 2500 miles or six months, whichever
comes first.

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: BlackLight [mailto:BlackLight@Planetice.net]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:49 PM
To: 'Team 3s'
Subject: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?

I am forwarding this thread to Team3S to get some better input. Is this
true, you're not supposed to change your oil filter every time cause it
doesn't catch the fine grit till it gets clogged up some??? Doesn't
sound very good to me!

Thanks for your input!

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy Skiles [mailto:joatsaint@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:42 PM
To: stealth@stls.verio.net
Subject: Re: best oil and filter change?


I read the same thing in the oil filter article that is referred to on
this
list. I change my filter every other time now.


>From: "Justin Johnson" <proskater151@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: stealth@starnet.net
>To: stealth@stls.verio.net
>Subject: best oil and filter change?
>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:37:58 +0000
>
>
>Hey guys sorry but I'm kind of new at this. I change my oil and filter
>every
>2500 to 3000 miles. But I hear that you should change your filter with
>every
>other oil change because it doesn't start catching the fine grit until
it
>starts to clog up a bit. What do you think?
>
>Justin Johnson
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:11:57 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?

Here's the link to the study.  it's got lots of info concerning material
used, amount of material, and some exellent comments on them.  Enjoy.

http://www.frankhunt.com/FRANK/corvette/articles/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy
.html
Damon


Chris Winkley wrote:

> Matt...
>
> Perhaps the key is "supposed to". There have been threads in the past
> about better filtering with a dirty filter. This doesn't make sense to
> me, taken to the extreme it would mean a clogged filter is the most
> effective. I think the better filters are designed to remove any
> particulate matter that's large enough to cause damage. I also
> understand some brands have a bypass valve so that, when pressure builds
> up too much (from clogging), the oil can still circulate through the
> engine. Then you (in effect) have no filtering whatsoever.
>
> Another key is the brand of the filter. There was a study done some
> years ago, cutting away the casing, comparing the internal components,
> square inches of filtering material, and filtering material type. I
> believe the owners of this study were forced to remove it from their
> website because it showed that some of the more "famous" (meaning
> "heavily advertised") and expensive filters were made with lower quality
> materials. So, I think the brand of filter you use will make a
> considerable difference as well.
>
> I change my filter and oil every 2500 miles or six months, whichever
> comes first.
>
> Looking forward...Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlackLight [mailto:BlackLight@Planetice.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:49 PM
> To: 'Team 3s'
> Subject: Team3S: FW: best oil and filter change?
>
> I am forwarding this thread to Team3S to get some better input. Is this
> true, you're not supposed to change your oil filter every time cause it
> doesn't catch the fine grit till it gets clogged up some??? Doesn't
> sound very good to me!
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> Matt Nelson
> 1994 RT TT
> BlackLight@Planetice.Net
> www.BlackLight.5u.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Skiles [mailto:joatsaint@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:42 PM
> To: stealth@stls.verio.net
> Subject: Re: best oil and filter change?
>
>
> I read the same thing in the oil filter article that is referred to on
> this
> list. I change my filter every other time now.
>
>
>
>>From: "Justin Johnson" <proskater151@hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: stealth@starnet.net
>>To: stealth@stls.verio.net
>>Subject: best oil and filter change?
>>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:37:58 +0000
>>
>>
>>Hey guys sorry but I'm kind of new at this. I change my oil and filter
>>every
>>2500 to 3000 miles. But I hear that you should change your filter with
>>every
>>other oil change because it doesn't start catching the fine grit until
>>
> it
>
>>starts to clog up a bit. What do you think?
>>
>>Justin Johnson
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:20:46 -0400
From: "Mike Frey" <mike21b@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...

I had the exact same thing happen in my RT/TT - twice over the last couple
years.

I also tore the "fuse" in half the first time, not realizing it was bolted
in. Each time, the ABS went pump stopped as soon as I plugged it back in.

Hasn't happened in the past year or so.

Mike


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:27 AM
Subject: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...


> I had to pull the fusible link to get my ABS pump to stop running.
> (I didn't know the link was bolted down, so I removed it with a pair of
pliers and broke the sucker plumb in half).
>
> So why is my pump running continuously, even with the engine off?
>
> It happened at the track when the car overheated, but the pump ran
continuously for another 12 hours until I got home and pulled the link.
>
> Rich/slow old poop
>
> ***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:16:57 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...

Jeff --- methinks the relays were moved to the outside of the pump
assembly at some point. Caps shows a unit without the relays that
are external to later models  [ my best guess ]

        Jim Berry
=======================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...


> >> So why is my pump running continuously, even with the engine off?
>
> Interesting question. If I am reading the circuit diagram correctly, the
> fusible link (#7) that you pulled (broke) supplies power directly (without
> switching) to two relays inside the hydraulic unit (HU). These two relays
are
> switched on/off by the ABS Control Unit (ACU). Apparently, the ACU energized
> one or both relays in the HU and they stayed that way even though power to
the
> ACU was turned off when the ignition key was turned off.
>
> Now I do not know enough about the electronics to understand why this would
> occur. Can the switching transistors (for the two relays) inside the ACU
> stay "switched to ground" after the power is removed? Relays are usually
> extremely dependable devices. What are the chances that one or both failed
> somehow in the HU? Perhaps there is another cause of the problem?
>
> Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
> To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Team3S: ABS running and running and running and...
>
>
>
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>



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:26:20 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Idle Speed Control Servo SOLVED

> According to my repair manual, the Idle Speed Control Servo is supposed to
> turn on with the ignition ON.  Mine doesn't turn on or do anything at all.
> I have checked the harness with a DMM and everything there checks out.  I
am
> getting power to it.
>
> Is it supposed to turn on like the manual says or does it only turn on
when
> the engine is running?
>
> I just want to be sure before I replace it.

I bought a ISC from M & S for $150.  The one from M & S apparently did the
same thing.  That is nothing when the ignition key was turned on.  So I
plugged in the ISC close to the dash so I could see it when I turned on the
key.  Still nothing with my ISC and the M & S one.  So I disconnected the
ISC with the key still ON and reconnected it and bingo.  The Motor actuated
for about half a second.  Both mine and the M & S one did it.  I guess I'm
going to have to return the M & S one and pay the restock fee since mine was
good all along.  I sure do wish the repair manual was more clear on how the
ISC is supposed to work.  There is no way to hear it actuate with the
ignition buzzer going off for that first second and you can't hear it any
time after that.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT


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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:24:59 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: tires and ABS!

Chris,

Now then, make sure that your brake fluid reservoir is filled before
replacing the ABS.  I think one of the indications is a lit ABS lamp or
maybe there is a bubble in there and it thinks it is empty.  Get  all
the wheels off and bleed the brakes with the car started.  Someone said
this might not work so after bleeding take the car for a spin and be
sure to induce ABS.  Then come back and bleed the brakes again.  This
should have pushed anything through the ABS unit and bleeding might get
more stuff out of the system.

I would just do some checks to make sure the ABS "sensor" is plugged in
and not all corroded on all corners, etc.  Simple little things to see
if that will fix it first.

I don't think it is a DIY for the ABS.  I put dad's Audi 5000 S Quattro
into a guardrail and did hardly any damage at all except for the ABS and
car computer.  Fix-up cost more than the used car since, at that time, a
used ABS or computer brain was not allowed to be installed and had to be
a new unit.  Not sure if that is why yours is so high.  The same topic
went through here a few weeks ago as well.

- --Flash!
'95 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: chris weil
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:43

2) I recently noticed that my ABS light stays lit constantly. I brought
it to the Mitsu dealer and was told that I need the ABS brain and the
ABS unit
itself, but the cost will be 3k(parts and labor)!!!   Is it possible for
a
person with below average-average mechanical skills to do the job? Does
it need to be computerized?  And where might I be able to get a shop
manual?(I called the number on the site listed and they said they don't
offer the 3000
manual)
If I can't do it, does anyone know of a reputable mechanic/garage in the
NYC/NJ area where I can get it done? And where can I get the parts at a
decent price?



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:24:40 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: tires and ABS!

Chris,

Welcome to the list.  As far as tires, just venture over to TireRack
(www.tirerack.com) and see what they have for specials.  Your driving
need dictates what tires you should buy.  I liked the "self survey" on
Pirelli's site (www.pirelli.com) where you rate how important
hydroplaning or dry traction or sound is important to you and it gives
choices for tires.  I have both summer and winter tires so I am not a
great source for an all-season choice.  A friend of mine in NYC has bent
three of the 18" rims from hitting potholes so you might want to think
about a spare set (there was a set of 17" ones for a darn good price on
here a little bit ago if you are interested).  Low sidewalls don't like
big potholes.

A quick search on Pirelli for All-season yielded the "P-7000 Super
Sport" (all medium priority on attributes in their survey) but Tire Rack
has only the 235/40/ZR18 or the 255/35/ZR18 and not the stock size of
245/40.  It is only $151 though which is a good price and should last at
least 30,000 miles.  I had Pirelli P-Zero that got 30,000 miles and were
a treadwear of 140 and these P-7000 are a 320.  Others are good too but
your style of driving will dictate what fits best.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: chris weil
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:43

1) I need to purchase All-Season tires(18's). Living in one of the 5
boroughs of NYC  I need a tire that can handle the rigors of city
driving as well as the occasional jaunt on a NJ highway!! Any
suggestions??



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:47:51 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil viscosity vs temperature question

Andrei,

And don't try to deduce too much with the stock gauges as they are not
very accurate considering they don't even have numbers.  I installed an
AutoMeter water temp gauge and it runs between 185-195 F when cruising
(I think the thermostat is 195 F so it should never run hotter than this
when cruising).  All the while the stock gauge sat in the middle.

At the track the temp gauge climbed to 205 F and 210 F and the stock
gauge barely moved a half of a line or maybe one full tick about half.
Then the temp hit 235 F and the stock gauge was finally about two ticks
up.  Then the temp gauge was at 245-250 F and the stock gauge was about
two ticks from red.  My stock gauge maxes at 250 F since that is plenty
hot (turbo cars don't need to be more than 235 F since they run hot
anyway but water-cooled turbos help to raise the temp on our cars).

Bottom line - stock gauge is not real helpful.  I would hate to see what
the red area on the stock gauge is since many of us hit that area when
on the track.  I don't want to upgrade to a 300 F water temp gauge but
would rather get the car to run cooler.

Also, switching to a different synthetic oil made my pressure drop a
little as this oil was easier flowing.  Feel free to try different oils
or different weights.  The manual gives what weight to use depending on
what temperature the car experiences.

- --Flash!
'95 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Kryjevski
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 17:23

10W30 means cold viscosity is 10 (in some units) at some fixed low
temperature and 30 (in some units) at some fixed high temperature (say a

typical engine operating temperature). Right?

I am wondering why I am seeing a drop in oil pressure at idle (light is
on)
after the engine has been warmed up (stock temperature gauge just below
the
middle) compared to the cold engine. Shouldn't viscosity attain it's
maximum
value? Could anybody explain this to me?



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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:10:46 -0400
From: "anscray" <anscray@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheels Upgrade

   Your probably going to need a 3 piece wheel as our brake calipers are
huge as you mentioned.  Tire Rack is an excellent ON-line retailer and have
a pretty nice web-site, but the last time I checked their selection was
pretty poor..  If they have what you want then go for it..  They have very
good prices and are easy to deal with..

   I have 17" O.Z. wheels that I love, but I have also seen some very nice
Racing Heart and others..  Knowing that youll probably need a 3-piece wheel
be prepared to pay..
It can get pretty pricey..  There are quite a few options out there.. I dont
know about Canada, but it seems one of the wheel and tire shops there should
have the ability to order directly..  Just check with a few shop owners,
maybe they have catalogs on hand..

Good Luck,
Scott
94 VR4



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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:25:29 -0700
From: "Robert Koch" <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fore sale - fuel rail mods for better flow

here is the link and as usual it is one line

http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=7518377fe26ce4e6bbd83314812643db&thr
eadid=93161

all one line.

the pics are there, you'll find em' I will have a more professional look on
my site this weekend for any and all questions....sorry for the mess

bobk.


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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:47:17 EDT
From: GaMoparRacing@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Auto AWD idea

Hey, I remember some people on the list wanting AWD but with automatic trans,
has any one looked in to using an AWD minivan trans in a 3/S,  just an idea.

Eric

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:28:24 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Auto AWD idea

Not a bad idea, except for the fact that most minivans aren't making 350+
crank HP......  Although maybe have Level Ten do their thing to the tranny
and see what it can take before giving up the ghost.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: GaMoparRacing@aol.com [SMTP:GaMoparRacing@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:47 AM
> To: team3s@team3s.com
> Subject: Team3S: Auto AWD idea
>
> Hey, I remember some people on the list wanting AWD but with automatic
> trans,
> has any one looked in to using an AWD minivan trans in a 3/S,  just an
> idea.
>
> Eric
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:10:36 -0400
From: "SWC" <swc@centurytel.net>
Subject: Team3S: New ECU Options? was: help - 92TT stranded and won't start

A couple people have suggested that I go ahead and replace the ECU anyway
since the dealer had said it was having problems.

They quoted me $1,000.  Sounded nuts to me, and I was already into them for
$2,500, so I bailed on the option.

What should I expect to pay for this and should I get an aftermarket one?

Thanks,

Steve C.
92 RT/TT
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From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To: "'SWC'" <swc@centurytel.net>; "Stealth ML" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: help - 92TT stranded and won't start


> strange as it may seem, low voltage from the battery can cause these
things.
> Put a new battery in and see if the car doesn't have a new lease on life.
> If that doesn't work, remember,you have to drive it around for a while for
> the ECU to relearn the fuel map,then consider a new ECU.
>
> Chuck
>



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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:07:56 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: RE: New ECU Options? was: help - 92TT stranded and won't
start

Get a stock one from M&S Recycling and if you are squeamish, let the dealer
install it.

- -----Original Message-----
From: SWC [mailto:swc@centurytel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:11 AM
To: Willis, Charles E.; Stealth ML
Subject: New ECU Options? was: help - 92TT stranded and won't start


A couple people have suggested that I go ahead and replace the ECU anyway
since the dealer had said it was having problems.

They quoted me $1,000.  Sounded nuts to me, and I was already into them for
$2,500, so I bailed on the option.

What should I expect to pay for this and should I get an aftermarket one?

Thanks,

Steve C.
92 RT/TT
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From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To: "'SWC'" <swc@centurytel.net>; "Stealth ML" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: help - 92TT stranded and won't start


> strange as it may seem, low voltage from the battery can cause these
things.
> Put a new battery in and see if the car doesn't have a new lease on life.
> If that doesn't work, remember,you have to drive it around for a while for
> the ECU to relearn the fuel map,then consider a new ECU.
>
> Chuck
>




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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:27:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "desronar@excite.com" <desronar@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheels Upgrade

Thanks for the suggestion Scott.

Like you and Bob Forest said, Tire Rack probably got a "safe" choice but with
limited option.

Before going to tire rack options I wanted to see what other manufacturer had
to offer, I went on "TSW" and "motegi racing" wheels where they got an
application guide that bring few interesting options of nice 17" and 18"
wheels - This is giving a lot more options if they work !!

Thanks
Dan.

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From: anscray [mailto: anscray@attbi.com]
To: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:10:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheels Upgrade

>    Your probably going to need a 3 piece wheel as our brake calipers are
> huge as you mentioned.  Tire Rack is an excellent ON-line retailer and
> have
> a pretty nice web-site, but the last time I checked their selection was
> pretty poor..  If they have what you want then go for it..  They have
> very
> good prices and are easy to deal with..
>
>    I have 17" O.Z. wheels that I love, but I have also seen some very
> nice
> Racing Heart and others..  Knowing that youll probably need a 3-piece
> wheel
> be prepared to pay..
> It can get pretty pricey..  There are quite a few options out there.. I
> dont
> know about Canada, but it seems one of the wheel and tire shops there
> should
> have the ability to order directly..  Just check with a few shop owners,
> maybe they have catalogs on hand..
>
> Good Luck,
> Scott
> 94 VR4
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:07:06 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New ECU Options? was: help - 92TT stranded and won't
start

> A couple people have suggested that I go ahead and replace the ECU anyway
> since the dealer had said it was having problems.
>
> They quoted me $1,000.  Sounded nuts to me, and I was already into them
for
> $2,500, so I bailed on the option.
>
> What should I expect to pay for this and should I get an aftermarket one?

M&S has ECU's for $450.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT


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