Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth     Monday, July 29 2002     Volume 01 : Number 910




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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:04:37 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil Change Magnetic Plug

I've also heard of magnets on the outside of the oil pan.  I can not
comment on a filter catching it though.  I just did quick match and
assumed if the surface area of the drain plug is 1 square inch (which it
certainly is not but it makes math easier).  Then if the inside of the
oil pan is 100 square inches (and I'm sure it is way more than that)
then it will take one hundred passes of oil for each square inch of oil
to pass over the drain plug (it does not flow down a tube so this is
unrealistic but go with me here).  Make sense?

And I don't know how fast or how much the oil sloshes around in there
but I think it would just wipe the metal particles off the drain plug.
My stock drain plug after 90k miles was not strong enough to hold itself
against the refrigerator.  I don't think it is very strong so I had no
problem changing it.

The Fram SureDrain is installed once into the threads of the oil pan and
from then on the drain tube is screwed onto the outside of this drain
plug so if you ever strip the threads in this new drain plug then it
will be on the outside and not on the oil pan itself (which is a bear to
remove I see).  Yes you will need the special drain hose to make life
easier or perhaps a paperclip to push the inner diaphragm up into the
oil pan to allow oil to flow.  What I like about it is you can turn it
on and off.  When you pull the drain plug it is hard to stop it from
gushing if you need to move the catch pan or get another container.
With the 6"-8" flexible drain tube you can direct it into a bottle or
container and then put your thumb over the end, get a new container, and
start the flow again.

Next oil change I will detail the steps needed in this new process.  I
might not even jack the car up if I can drive it onto a small incline.
But even with jacking up the front of the car it should still take less
than 5 minutes to raise the car, drain the oil, and fill with new oil.
Certainly less than 10 minutes but 5 would be a new record.  Then I will
feel like I have "won."

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: dakken
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 19:36

I have heard of placing a strong magnet (like an old speaker magnet) on
the oil filter to catch metal bits.  Then when you change the filter,
the metal bits are supposed to go with it.  The only thing that seems
weird is: isn't the oil filter supposed to catch all those metal bits
without the aid of a magnet?

I did see a significant amount of metal on my transmission drain plug
when I changed my transmission oil.  I have never seen any on an oil
drain plug.

I have bought the Fram plug, also and I like it.  I was concerned about
the valve inadvertantly opening during driving, but with the cap and
second rubber seal on it I feel confident that even if that happens no
oil will leak out.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:48:33 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY

Steve,

Install A/F meters to monitor both O2 sensors and get back to us on this.
Those of us monitoring both sensors already know the truth. Remember, (1)
oxygen sensors are only used during closed loop in our cars, and (2) Jap
models could (most likely? must?) use a different ECM (ours have a terminal
for every oxygen sensor installed, whether 2 or 4).

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ---------- Original Message -------------
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:01:31 +1200
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
To: <team3S@team3s.com>

but the ECU
> does control each bank seperately

I've seen this stated before and I don't believe it's true. It's more likely
that the ECU looks at both sensors and adjusts the mixture to all injectors
using the "Worst" input.

The reason being that the JDM cars only use a single sensor.

Steve

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:23:09 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY

Digikey is an electronics distributor.
Call 1-800-555-1212 information for their 800 number.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Damon Rachell [mailto:damonr@mefas.com]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:00 PM
To: Philip V. Glazatov
Cc: team3S@team3s.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY

wow, that sounds like a great little project.  I think i'm going to try
it as well.  It would be great to have a wideband on the car for optimum
tuning.

Just one question, after looking briefly through, where do you get the
board from?  what is digikey?  I know most of the parts are available
through radioshack, but things like the display don't seem so straight
forward.  any suggestions as to how to incorporate the display?

Damon


Philip V. Glazatov wrote:

> Just wanted to let everybody know that I ordered 2 kits and 2 boards for
> DIY wide-band O2 sensors. Go to http://www.diy-wb.com for details. They
> have a group buy now for those kits and boards. You can have your own
> wide-band O2 for under $200. I bought just the kits and boards for now -
> spent $40. If I become brave enough and solder everything together, then
> I will buy the O2 sensors too. Those are Honda sensors and they are
> available for ~$129.
>
> Philip

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:38:38 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY

Just a small question : what is the lifetime of these sensors ? WB sensors
often go south after a few hours contignous usage.

And again, it must be noted that they DON'T replace the stock sensors as
they are not compatible.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: "'Damon Rachell'" <damonr@mefas.com>; "Philip V. Glazatov"
<gphilip@umich.edu>
Cc: <team3S@team3s.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY

>
> Digikey is an electronics distributor.
> Call 1-800-555-1212 information for their 800 number.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 07:49:33 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: Brembo brakes

There's a guy on the 3SI.com list that is selling a set of Brembo brakes
sold by Stillen ---- he claims low mileage and is selling for $1000. That's
a hell of a buy for the Brembo setup. I'd buy em myself but I have the
Reds and no money.
He doesn't have much of a history on the list so I would recommend going
through escrow with the transaction.

http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=a0cb74e9339f11145f42b4fa31f2c468&threadid=91146&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

        Jim Berry

PS: A friend has the Stillen/Brembo kit and we noticed the other day that
because of the adaptor they send for the rotor the hub centric lip used to
locate the wheel is no longer available. As a result the wheel has to be located
with the tapered lug nuts which is not as effective. Different rotors would
probably solve the problem.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:04:31 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY

The article says that the sensor comes from one of the lean burn Honda
engines and goes on to give some additional info.

http://www.diy-wb.com/02info.htm
        
        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY

> Just a small question : what is the lifetime of these sensors ? WB sensors
> often go south after a few hours contignous usage.
>
> And again, it must be noted that they DON'T replace the stock sensors as
> they are not compatible.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> www.rtec.ch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
> To: "'Damon Rachell'" <damonr@mefas.com>; "Philip V. Glazatov"
> <gphilip@umich.edu>
> Cc: <team3S@team3s.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 4:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Wide-Band O2 DIY
>
> >
> > Digikey is an electronics distributor.
> > Call 1-800-555-1212 information for their 800 number.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:23:26 -0700
From: "Bradford J. Gay" <bradfordjgay@charter.net>
Subject: Team3S: Misfiring, Bad Starts, and For Sale

Okay, this letter has a few things in it.

First off, after installing the AVC-R, boost gauge, fuel pressure, EGT
and coolant temp gauges, my car doesn't start very well when it's cold.
It sputters and is a lot of work to get running.  It sounds like it's
horribly misfiring, also.  Any ideas?

On a sadder note, I think I am going to leave the 3S world for a while.
With the recession and all, I don't have the money to keep up with
insurance (19 year old, single, male).  So, I am putting my 3000GT up
for sale on the list first.  Hopefully I will have whatever ails the car
fixed by the time I find a buyer.  Now the idea is when I graduate from
college and insurance isn't such a pain in the butt, I'll get another 3S
(hopefully a VR-4 Spyder).  I won't be leaving Mitsubishi, though.  I'm
just going to move over to DSM and hopefully *fingers crossed* get a
Galant VR-4.  Anywho, below is what is for sale.  Feel free to make an
offer and I'll have a site up with the mods and some pics soon.

- -Brad

1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4:
VIN: JA3AN74K4VY005350
27,700 miles
Body: 1999 Front End & Spoiler
Wheels, Tires, Suspension: 19" Axis Se7en wheels, 245/35ZR19 Toyo T1-S
Proxes, Intrax lowering springs
Engine & Exhaust: K&N, Blitz Supersound BOV, DN Performance Intercooler
Pipes, Magnecor KV85 Wires, Apex'i AVC-R Boost Controller, BOZZ Speed
Dual Cannon Exhaust (true dual, no cats)
Gauges: GReddy Boost, EGT, Temperature, Fuel Pressure & Oil Pressure
Interior: Indiglo gauges, Kenwood Z828 CD/CD-R/CD-RW/MP3/AM/FM Receiver,
stock Infinity door and dash speakers, Boston Acoustic 6x9s powered by a
Clarion amp, 4-8" Diamond Audio subs in a custom box powered by an
Eclipse Amp, Sparco Globe-X shift knob and Sparco Stripes pedals

2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT
VIN: 4A3AC54H61E125904
9,700 miles
Body: Shinestreet Body Kit w/sideskirts and fenderflares, Grillecraft
grill kit
Suspension: Eibach Pro-Kit lowering springs
Engine & Exhaust: AEM Cold Air Intake, GReddy Evolution cat-back exhaust
Interior: Momo Combat shift knob and Momo Corse Tuning pedals, Pioneer
DEH P-4400 CD/AM/FM receiver, stock Infinity speakers and 2-10" Kenwood
Tornadoes powered by a Kenwood Amp

I'm in Ellensburg, WA which is 110 miles west of Seattle, 170 miles east
of Spokane, 70 miles south of Wenatchee and 40 miles north of Yakima.
For any questions, reply to me off list  Thanks and it's been fun.
- -Brad

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:55:58 -0700
From: "Bradford J. Gay" <bradfordjgay@charter.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Misfiring, Bad Starts, and For Sale

Thought maybe I should fix this:

I'm in Ellensburg, WA which is 110 miles EAST of Seattle, 170 miles WEST
of Spokane, 70 miles south of Wenatchee and 40 miles north of Yakima.
For any questions, reply to me off list  Thanks and it's been fun. -Brad

Also, the site is up and it's at
http://www.geocities.com/bradford.rm/carsforsale.html.

- -Brad

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:02:55 -0400
From: "Mike Frey" <mike21b@ptd.net>
Subject: Team3S: What's shakin'?

(Gee, I just looked at the last time I posted. Although I read every post,
it's been since April that I wrote)

1992 RT/TT - At highway speeds, there is a rattle coming from the front end
and the wheels shake. It does not feel like an out-of-alignment issue, feels
more like it's vibrating up and down. Worse after a light bump, like an
expansion joint or such. Bad struts, bushings, wheel bearings? All of the
above?

I know it's time for some major replacements after 150,000 miles; everything
(tranny too) is original. Car still looks great.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:27:32 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: What's shakin'?

> 1992 RT/TT - At highway speeds, there is a rattle coming from the front
end
> and the wheels shake. It does not feel like an out-of-alignment issue,
feels
> more like it's vibrating up and down. Worse after a light bump, like an
> expansion joint or such.

I recently replaced my front shocks.  My driver's side shock was completely
blown.  There was rattling after every bump.  I did not have any shaking
driving on smooth roads.  Bumpy roads caused a lot of rattle.  Also, the
rattle would become less when I changed to the sport setting but it was
still there.  Just less of it.  I isolated the problem by driving over
individual bumps that only hit one side of the car.  I found that only the
driver's side front tire was rattling.

First, check your power steering fluid level.  Make sure you have fluid in
there.  Easy to do and will only take 10 seconds.

To check your bearings, grab the top of the wheel and see if you can push it
towards or away from the car.  Then jack up the front end and with the
transmission in neutral, move the wheels with your hand.  There should not
be any play in the wheel or binding.

You can check your shocks by pressing down with all your weight on each
corner of your car and watching it rebound.  It should only pop up one time
and them stop.  My blown shock would bounce a few times.

If you suspect a wheel out of balance, then move your front wheels to the
rear and see if the shaking moves to your rear end.  If your front wheels
are out of balance, then you will feel it in the steering wheel.  Your
steering wheel will vibrate as you drive, make a turn or lane change.  My
old front tires were badly worn and out of balance.  They would vibrate
every time I did a lane change over 60 mph.

You should check all of your suspention parts and bushings.  An anti-sway
bar bushing going out can cause vibration as can just about any suspention
part that has come loose.  With your car on jack stands, grab different
parts of your suspention and try to shake them.  Everything should be firmly
mounted.

The good news is that suspension problems tend to be much easier to find
than engine problems and are usually easier to fix.

Good Luck.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:35:35 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Vibration at highway speeds (was: What's shakin'?)

> 1992 RT/TT - At highway speeds, there is a rattle coming from the front end
and the wheels shake. It does not feel like an out-of-alignment issue, feels
more like it's vibrating up and down. Worse after a light bump, like an
expansion joint or such. Bad struts, bushings, wheel bearings? All of the
above?
- ----------------snip----------------->

Yes, it could be all of the above (especially struts, but including alignment
or wheels out of balance), but you can add these as possibilities or as
catalysts for making the problem worse:
- --Unevenly-torqued (or over-torqued) lugnuts
- --Bent rims
- --Underinflation (use +4psi all around for 60mph+)

Good luck!
Forrest

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:15:46 +0000
From: "Hans Hortin" <hortin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Generator

Hello.

My generator showes 12.4 v on the voltmeter.
Time for a repair?

The ventilation (defroster9 at the vindscreen is broken.
I am going to replace then and is thera a site where this is shown.

Tried to buy a center cap from a Mitsu dealer. The dont sell Dodge things.
Any site for a Dodge dealer?
Have a Stealth ES 1991. 16" original wheels.

Hans

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