Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Wednesday, July 24 2002   Volume 01 : Number 906




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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn vrfour <vr4glenn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Aftermarket Radiator Hoses...

Could be the water pump.  If you have a slow leak
there, the heat from the engine will evaporate the
coolant before it finds a way out.

Glenn
'93 vr-4

- --- cody <overclck@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Anyone have a rundown on where I can find a set???
>
> I have a slow coolant leak and am yet to find it...
> Gonna replace the
> hoses cause they are old...  Anyone have any other
> ideas where to
> look... I haven't seen a puddle of water or anything
> on the ground where
> I park...
>
> I had the system pressure tested, but not sure if
> they left it under
> pressure long enough, or if maybe the motor wasn't
> hot enough to make
> any small leak apparent...  The cap is brand new...
> I do have a
> question, and that is... if when the coolant
> expands, it flows into the
> overflow tank, is there a possibility its not
> getting sucked back in???
>
> -Cody

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:27:03 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Anti-sway bar is IN ... (noise gone)

On the suggestion of a few people, I checked the brake dust shield on the
right front wheel when I got home yesterday.  It looked ok and not to be
interfering with anything.  However, I reached through the spokes of the
wheel and pushed the shield toward the center of the car in a few different
spots using probably 20-30lbs of force.  I felt it move a little.

No more noise.  Drove it about 40mi last night and made several moderate
left turns.  Still no noise.  Yay!

Maybe I did smack the dust shield when I was under the car fiddling with the
sway bar.  I know I definitely smacked a few things in frustration, but I
tried to make sure they weren't anything ON the car :-)

Initial impression (still haven't had a chance to drive it hard) is that the
suspension definitely feels tighter.  From others' (speculative?) comments,
I expected that the ride quality would not change at all.  It hasn't changed
drastically, but there's definitely a little more "road feel" (vibration)
transmitted to the chassis.  I kinda like the feedback, but it is one step
further away from a GT car and one step closer to a sports car.  This may be
more due to the urethane bushings on the new anti-sway bar rather than
larger bar itself though.  The car definitely has more grip in corners, but
I haven't really noticed the car being "flatter" in the corners.  Again, I
haven't pushed it yet (haha, you get it?  "pushed!"  ICMU). There is a
little more force on the steering wheel trying to center the wheel while
cornering, but this isn't nearly the difference in steering input that a
front strut tower brace makes.  That goes in next week (my old TEC one got
bent when I wrecked my black car). 

Thanks guys,
- --Erik
'95 VR-4 with Saner front anti-sway bar and no weird suspension noises

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:29:34 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: trailer wiring harness problem - to pull VR4

Dear Friends,

I am trying to find a trailer wiring harness for a 2002 Land Rover Discovery
so that I can pull a car hauler with my VR4 onboard.  The Discovery was sold
with a towing package, but no harness. The harness is backordered at the
dealer with no expected time for supply.  I have tried NAPA, same answer,
Land Rover customer service, same answer, and UHaul, no answer.  Several
places are telling me that without an appropriate "drop compensator"
splicing in a wiring harness will blow every light bulb in the SUV.  I
should've bought a pickup truck.

Any suggestions?

Chuck Willis

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:17:13 -0500
From: "Jason" <jason_peltier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Power/Eco switch on N/A

 In addition to my IAC motor and A/C problems, the other day, my power/eco
 switch made a loud pop and flipped over to eco.  Now it rocks just a
little,
 but it won't engage into power.  WTF?  Did the spring break?  Do I need a
 new switch?  How do you get in there?  I took off the ring around the ATX
 gearshift but couldn't tell what to do next.  Do I go in thru the side of
 the console?  Could this be a safety measure for when the IAC goes out?

 tia

 Jason (92es)

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:05:19 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Grades - Recommended

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
- ----------snip------------->
> Just for the record, I use Mobil 1 10W30 and I really am not affiliated with
*any* company of *any* sort. :) I wouldn't mind trying Amsoil or Royal Purple.
But with six 5-qt bottles of Mobil 1 left on my shelf (WalMart sale) and only
driving ~4K miles per year, it will be a few years before I need to buy oil.
- ----------------------------->

Same deal here - ~4k miles a year, using Mobil-1 10W30.  As soon as I started
using Mobil (after an engine oil flush) the occasional lifter tick in my 94
Stealth vanished forever.  With Costco and Price Club selling Mobil-1 at $20
for 6 pints, I'll probably never switch oils, but I admit to being curious
about Amsoil's outrageous claims.  I'm more than a bit "leery" of a company
that uses MLM (multi-level-marketing) like they do, with independent dealers
and the like...  Amsoil set up several hundred websites, all singing their
oil's praises as if they were "independent labs" (they're NOT).  The FTC has
been investigating Amsoil's (and their dealers') marketing practices since
~1995, so I think I'll wait until someone I trust does a real comparison.  "If
something *sounds* too good to be true, it usually is..."  Caveat Emptor...

Best,
Forrest

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:27:58 -0700
From: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil Grades - Recommended

Well now Mr. Forrest...

While I'm not an advocate of pyramid schemes either, and don't buy from
Amway or similar companies, I have to wonder how it is that you buy your
motor oil in PINTS?    :-)

BTW...I used Castrol 10-30w synthetic for years, have since switched to
Mobil One 5-50w synthetic. Personally, I think the key is changing the
oil and filter every 2,500 miles, regardless of brand or viscosity
(within reason, no flames about using 90w gear oil in my oil pan
please).

Looking forward...Chris

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:56:11 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Grades - Recommended

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
> Well now Mr. Forrest...
> While I'm not an advocate of pyramid schemes either, and don't buy from
Amway or similar companies, I have to wonder how it is that you buy your motor
oil in PINTS?    :-)
- ------snip------------->

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Forrest [mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
- ------snip------------->
With Costco and Price Club selling Mobil-1 at $20 for 6 pints...
- ------snip------------->


Yes, Brother Chris - I stand (sit?) corrected...  I meant $20 for 6 Quarts.
Duh...  :-)

Thanks,
Forrest

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:31:54 -0600
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Grades - Recommended

When I got my car, I immediately put Amsoil Series 2000 0W30 in it. I had no
idea what the previous owner had used and it was the middle of winter. I ran
the Amsoil for several oil changes but was on a 5,200 mile road trip and had
to do a change in Georgia. Went to Wal-Mart for the 5 quart Mobil 1 10W30
deal and did the change. Drove to Texas and back up to Montana. When I first
got the car, I had heard lifter tick occasionally but only when really cold
or something. With the Mobil 1, it was constant.

Back to the Amsoil, but this time to 10W30. No lifter tick unless I'm a
quart low. Now that I can deal with, almost as an indicator, an "idiot
ticker".

MLM has never made me any money personally so I'm as pessimistic as everyone
else when it comes to that type of distribution. But I'm a convinced user of
the product, not a seller.

Anyway, I just don't like hearing my car sound like a time bomb so I use
whatever avoids that symptom.

- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent

on 7/23/02 6:05 PM, Bob Forrest at bf@bobforrest.com scribbled:

> Same deal here - ~4k miles a year, using Mobil-1 10W30.  As soon as I started
> using Mobil (after an engine oil flush) the occasional lifter tick in my 94
> Stealth vanished forever.  With Costco and Price Club selling Mobil-1 at $20
> for 6 pints, I'll probably never switch oils, but I admit to being curious
> about Amsoil's outrageous claims.  I'm more than a bit "leery" of a company
> that uses MLM (multi-level-marketing) like they do, with independent dealers
> and the like...  Amsoil set up several hundred websites, all singing their
> oil's praises as if they were "independent labs" (they're NOT).  The FTC has
> been investigating Amsoil's (and their dealers') marketing practices since
> ~1995, so I think I'll wait until someone I trust does a real comparison.  "If
> something *sounds* too good to be true, it usually is..."  Caveat Emptor...

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:49:12 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 94 VR-4 Not Holding boost

Check the vacuum hose going to your BOV.  I know when I used a vacuum pump
to keep the BOV open, the most boost I got was between 3 to 4 psi.  Maybe
the Greddy Type S will fix the problem.

If it will be a while before you get the new BOV then build an intake
pressure tester from Jeff's site, www.stealth316.com .

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:02:30 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 94 VR-4 Not Holding boost

One more thing,

If you know your intake has no leaks then you can test the waste gate
solenoids.  Connect your vacuum line from the Y pipe directly to the waste
gate solenoids.  One way to do this is just to block off both hoses going to
the stock boost solenoid.  No boost solenoid or aftermarket boost controller
should be functioning.  You should see 5 to 7 psi of boost.  If you see that
much boost, then you will know your waste gate solenoids are good.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:02:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Speedtoys Business Notice.

Speedtoys.Com is now a TX business.  :)

CA orders no longer carry sales tax, however all TX orders will.

Sucks for a _few_, but it was a change I needed to make.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:14:32 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Underdrive pulley

Whew.  Finally get to report on the car's 90k tune-up.  The newest part
on the To Do sheet is the underdrive pulley.  This was my first time to
see it up close and personal with the car off and then on (kids - wear
safety glasses when up close and personal with moving engine parts).  As
you recall I was having some squeaking from the engine area when the car
would start up and then when the A/C was turned on.  If the A/C was
turned off it would stop squeaking.

Well the diagnosis was the underdrive pulley which is sort of a bushing
pressed into the metal wheel.  Well where the bushing (interior part)
touches the metal wheel it is starting to separate which doesn't keep
things perfect, adds some tension to the belt, causes the various wheels
to slip on the belt or the belt to want to try and force a wheel out of
spinning true and starts the squeak.

This one was a neat trick since it did seem like a belt dress-up kit
might have fixed it or adjusting the tensioner pulley area to get things
back into position.

So now I get to decide whether to let it go for another little bit and
postpone paying for it now, let it go for (who knows) 10k-40k until it
fails and bends a rod or something catastrophic, or upgrade it with
something.  I know I've seen mixed reviews on the underdrive pulleys so
now I get to go read through the archives on that subject.

Thanks to those who helped but this one blew us all away an it is the
wheel itself starting to separate.  About 98k on the car and I've had is
since 42k.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
dschilberg@pobox.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:19:07 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: Team3S: Exhaust manifold

While my car was up in the air for the 90k (continuing the last post) an
exhaust leak was heard in the front turbo area.  Expect the worst that
the turbo is leaking.  Then sigh some relief when a small crack is found
just above the 90-degree elbow from the turbo to the headers/exhaust
manifold area.

So now it is time to find either an M&S Recycling part, perhaps a used
stock one from someone who has upgraded turbos, or replacing it with a
new part.  I'm up for getting it from a Recycling place or allowing
someone to sell me their stock piece.

Contact me for more details on this as it kinda needs done soon so it
can pass the emissions test and stop throwing on the Check Engine light.

Did I mention that the A/C and radio are working like a champ?  Nothing
wrong with those parts.  Gotta find the silver lining sometimes.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
dschilberg@pobox.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:05:22 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Underdrive pulley

There are mixed reviews on an UNDAMPENED crank pulley however, Extreme
Motorsports sells a DAMPENED one for our cars which would calm alot of
critics......   I personally would never use an underdrive crank pulley
damnpened or otherwise, due to the slight loss of voltage across the board
on the car (more strain battery)
 
the link to what I am talking about is below, scroll all the way down to the
bottom of the page.
http://www.extrememotorsports.com/gscat/engine.htm
<http://www.extrememotorsports.com/gscat/engine.htm
 

Russ F
CT

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darren Schilberg [mailto:dschilberg@pobox.com]
Sent: Wed 7/24/2002 5:14 AM
To: team3S@team3s.com
Cc:
Subject: Team3S: Re: Underdrive pulley

Whew.  Finally get to report on the car's 90k tune-up.  The newest part
on the To Do sheet is the underdrive pulley.  This was my first time to
see it up close and personal with the car off and then on (kids - wear
safety glasses when up close and personal with moving engine parts).  As
you recall I was having some squeaking from the engine area when the car
would start up and then when the A/C was turned on.  If the A/C was
turned off it would stop squeaking.

Well the diagnosis was the underdrive pulley which is sort of a bushing
pressed into the metal wheel.  Well where the bushing (interior part)
touches the metal wheel it is starting to separate which doesn't keep
things perfect, adds some tension to the belt, causes the various wheels
to slip on the belt or the belt to want to try and force a wheel out of
spinning true and starts the squeak.

So now I get to decide whether to let it go for another little bit and
postpone paying for it now, let it go for (who knows) 10k-40k until it
fails and bends a rod or something catastrophic, or upgrade it with
something.  I know I've seen mixed reviews on the underdrive pulleys so
now I get to go read through the archives on that subject.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
dschilberg@pobox.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:16:35 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust manifold

The manifolds can easily be welded. No big deal as we had the same on a
customers car.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

At 05:19 24.07.2002 -0400, Darren Schilberg wrote:
>While my car was up in the air for the 90k (continuing the last post) an
>exhaust leak was heard in the front turbo area.  Expect the worst that
>the turbo is leaking.  Then sigh some relief when a small crack is found
>just above the 90-degree elbow from the turbo to the headers/exhaust
>manifold area.
>
>So now it is time to find either an M&S Recycling part, perhaps a used
>stock one from someone who has upgraded turbos, or replacing it with a
>new part.  I'm up for getting it from a Recycling place or allowing
>someone to sell me their stock piece.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:28:27 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Underdrive pulley

Till today there are no bad reports of any UDP on our cars known. This lead
me also to use one and I also have no problems.
AFAIK, also Buschur sell a dampened one.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

At 07:05 24.07.2002 -0400, Furman, Russell wrote:
>There are mixed reviews on an UNDAMPENED crank pulley however, Extreme
>Motorsports sells a DAMPENED one for our cars which would calm alot of
>critics......   I personally would never use an underdrive crank pulley
>damnpened or otherwise, due to the slight loss of voltage across the board
>on the car (more strain battery)
>
>the link to what I am talking about is below, scroll all the way down to the
>bottom of the page.
>http://www.extrememotorsports.com/gscat/engine.htm
><http://www.extrememotorsports.com/gscat/engine.htm>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:58:01 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3SX Performance motor mounts

While the car was in for the 90k I decided to have the 3SX Performance
(www.3sxperformance.com/designs.asp) motor mounts installed.  So for all
of you just dying to hear about what tools you need, how long it takes,
and if you can do it at home -- I highly suggest that you take it to a
mechanic ready to tackle such a project.

So why upgrade to aftermarket?  Stock motor mounts were between
$245-$275.  The ones from 3SX are $300 and solid polyurethane.  Oh, and
they are available in red or blue so I took red to continue the color
theme on the car.  So an upgrade in performance at nearly the same price
and a choice of matching color.  That is why I upgraded.

My dealer (not a typical Satan by any means but nice, helpful, friendly,
etc.) took around 5 hours to install them.  The rear turbo was nearly
removed to get to one mount as the last bolt would not come out.  They
said the motor "absolutely will not move now" which is good.  However,
the next time someone wants to change the timing belt on my car he says
they will have a bear of a time since the motor will not easily move in
its mounts because it is so tight.

The special tools used by the dealer were a bar to span across the top
of the engine to lift it in place without removing the hood (or an
engine lift from above when the hood is removed) and the other special
tool was just a good bit of patience and knowing how to get to
everything (the mounts were tight to fit the pins into and then to fit
everything back into the car).  Remember that they also installed my
rear anti-sway bar in around two hours (Rich Merritt's folks did the
same bar around 90 minutes I think) and Erik Gross managed the
knuckle-bashing job in 8 hours with lots of breaks for cursing.  So I
imagine the 5-hour motor mount job would be 12-20 for us mortal folks.

I have not driven it yet but the dealer says that when jacking up the
engine from underneath the car might make the car rise with it.  Heh.
Now THAT is stiff.  I'll see how it all works when the car gets returned
(hopefully this week) and will report on feeling at idle, cruising
speed, throttle response to the torque transmitted through everything,
etc.

I have pictures of the motor mounts from 3SX (great job on manufacturing
them and shipping them, Steve and Eric) and will photo the old ones when
I get them back.  All four were cracked to some degree and the tranny
one was the best out of all of them.

On the link below I tried to take pictures with measurements since most
people will not have any idea what the other three mounts are like (as
you can only easily see the one in the front right of the engine bay).

www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/cars/engine/MotorMount/

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 at 98k getting the 90k tune-up and making up for some overdue
maintenance

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:38:10 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Underdrive puley

I believe the stock pulley is part #MD177199 titled "Pulley, crankshaft,
ribbed" and is at Tallahassee Mitsu for $232 list or $197 sale price.
The belts all look good on my car (were changed just 30k ago) but it is
the gasket/rubber ring/connection that is starting to make a gap and
will eventually fail.  However, when the stock one works and is quite a
bit less than a good aftermarket one that does have dampening (Buschur
Racing) then maybe a stock one will go back in for another 60k miles.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Gerl
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 07:28

Till today there are no bad reports of any UDP on our cars known. This
lead
me also to use one and I also have no problems.
AFAIK, also Buschur sell a dampened one.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:43:28 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil Grades - Recommended

I apologize if my comments about Amsoil were misleading.  (You were
correct, by the way, Jeff L.).  I am affiliated with Amsoil but I'm not
a direct hired employee.  I don't plan to see any revenue from them
unless I sell a gajillion cases of something, which is hardly likely to
ever happen.  I sell their products from my personal site (link is in my
sig) and didn't mean to put my personal beliefs, claims, or "store" on
the Team3S list, when it was meant for a technical response.  When I get
some hard evidence about how this oil compares to any other oil, such as
in a frying pan in a 500 F degree oven, then I will gladly share that
result with you.  But passing along another company's claim to the list
is not part of "playing fair" here.  Contact me privately with any
further questions, or visit my site.

- --Flash
dschilberg@pobox.com
1995 VR-4
"Independent AMSOIL Dealer"
www.schilberg.com/Amsoil/

   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
   > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:12 PM
   >
   > Ben - I personally recommend the Amsoil 10W-30 line.

   [snip

   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: Ben M. Jones
   > > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 14:07
   > >
   > > Are there any recommended oil products for the Stealth/3000GT TT.
Is
   > > there any pro/con for putting Red Line 20w50 Synthetic for the
   > > summer??

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:15:38 +0000
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3SX Performance motor mounts

> So why upgrade to aftermarket?  Stock motor mounts
> were between $245-$275.  The ones from 3SX are $300
> and solid polyurethane.  Oh, and they are available
> in red or blue so I took red to continue the color
> theme on the car.  So an upgrade in performance at
> nearly the same price and a choice of matching color. 

I considered these also, but decided against - partly
because of time constraints in putting my car back
together and partly because I wasn't sure I wanted to
increase the amount of shock to the drivetrain during
gear changes and launches.  (I've already grenaded a
transfercase, don't wanna do that again - as parts for
those still aren't available).

Let us know how it works...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:34:20 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3SX Performance motor mounts

Actually Matt this would possibly help prevent another tranx case from going
to pieces.  The tranny and engine are what generally moves under hard
accel/deccel this twisting tends to put strain on its belhousing and the
transfer case. If you note the transfer case appears to be the only part of
the front driveline line components directly bolted to a crossmember (no
rubber mounts/bushings to allow movement)

So when the motor rocks the tranny follows and the transfers case torqued in
a odd manner, weather this is directly related to you particular failure  I
can not prove. However all this movement in the case of 15G+ turbo guys it
can not be good..........

I will have to take pictures of the A/C line that runs along the firewall
the heatwrap and foam insulation have been torn where the compressor housing
of my stock turbos rubbed against it  :O

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mjannusch@attbi.com [SMTP:mjannusch@attbi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:16 AM
> To:   dschilberg@pobox.com
> Cc:   team3S@team3s.com
> Subject:  Re: Team3S: 3SX Performance motor mounts
>
>
> I considered these also, but decided against - partly
> because of time constraints in putting my car back
> together and partly because I wasn't sure I wanted to
> increase the amount of shock to the drivetrain during
> gear changes and launches.  (I've already grenaded a
> transfercase, don't wanna do that again - as parts for
> those still aren't available).
>
>
> Let us know how it works...
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:36:15 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3SX Performance motor mounts

I will let y'all know.  I don't do high-RPM launches or drag runs so it
is less of a shock when you run in all 3rd gear for 1.5 miles of a road
course.  Good points though, Matt.  We all know that once parts get
upgraded then more oomph starts going through and now other (weaker)
parts are going to break so it is an endless cycle once started.

- -----Original Message-----
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:16

I considered these also, but decided against - partly
because of time constraints in putting my car back
together and partly because I wasn't sure I wanted to
increase the amount of shock to the drivetrain during
gear changes and launches.  (I've already grenaded a
transfercase, don't wanna do that again - as parts for
those still aren't available).

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:59:23 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Underdrive puley

... and the same pulley from M&S Recycling is $75 (without shipping and
handling).

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darren Schilberg
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 08:38

I believe the stock pulley is part #MD177199 titled "Pulley, crankshaft,
ribbed" and is at Tallahassee Mitsu for $232 list or $197 sale price.
The belts all look good on my car (were changed just 30k ago) but it is
the gasket/rubber ring/connection that is starting to make a gap and
will eventually fail.  However, when the stock one works and is quite a
bit less than a good aftermarket one that does have dampening (Buschur
Racing) then maybe a stock one will go back in for another 60k miles.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:16:17 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Exhaust manifold

Well now the dealer is turning into Satan.  They want $1,300 for the
front exhaust manifold.  I told them to button it back up and I'll fix
it myself or take it somewhere to get fixed.  They are unwilling to weld
it but I see their point (the would rather replace it with a new OEM
part than take the fall for their own touch-up job) so I can't blame
them for that but will complain that they are probably wanting to
replace more than what is necessary.

I don't recall which part is needed as it is hard to tell in CAPS.
However, this part, 15-310-12000R (MD165689) looks like the front
exhaust manifold (I guess Right is Front and Left is Rear - I always
forget) or this part 15-410-12533 (MD168551) which is the front turbo
exhaust fitting are the ones in question.  It is really the part that
fits onto the front turbo exhaust, comes up about two inches, makes a
right-hand ninety (when looking from the front of the car) and heads to
the right and hides behind the front exhaust manifold sheet metal cover.
I think the exhaust manifold in CAPS (MD165689) is just shown in 3D and
is making the front part hard to see.

If this is the case then I'm looking for a front exhaust manifold from a
turbo car that will hold long enough to pass emissions once it is
installed.  I'm most likely going to retrieve the car end of the week
and take it to another mechanic who will weld or fix it if necessary.
JB Weld anyone?  <smirk>

Then the mechanic gets to have fun playing around to get the exhaust
manifold bolts loose.  Dealer advises lots of glowing red turbo housing
parts, lots of oil, lots of heat, lots of oil, then they come out
easily.  We'll see.  One step at a time.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 07:17

The manifolds can easily be welded. No big deal as we had the same on a
customers car.

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