Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth     Monday, July 15 2002     Volume 01 : Number 898




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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:34:35 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BBQ brake pads

FWIW --- I tried the BBQ on one set of pads a year or so ago and found
that when finished the surface was very uneven, as much as 1/16" or
more. I sanded them down to provide a flat surface although I'm sure that
a few laps would have accomplished the same thing.

There have been claims of extended life as a result of barbequing but I
find that hard to believe --- If Porterfield could get extended use from pads
by heat cycling them I'm sure they would do it. A BBQ may get the pads
up to 600º or 700º while a 20 minute track session may get them up to
1000º. I think it more a matter of maybe doing some prep work in advance
and making a stink at home rather than at the track. The last few times I've
done the bedding on the way to the track on some open stretches of road.

As to 7000 rpm in 2nd being foolish I disagree --- I spend a lot of my track
time at or near redline and the only side effect is to clear up my lifter tick.
I also run a shift light [ set at 6K ] to remind me in case I'm in the heat of
battle.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
To: <Team3S@team3s.com>
Cc: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: BBQ brake pads


> > Should Porterfield R4 and/or R4S brake pads be BBQed before use?  The coals
> are hot!  :-)
> > Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
> ------------------------------>
> Absolutely!  But you don't want them so close to the coals that you ignite
> them!  You want to bake them at high heat to "outgas" them.  Yes, they will
> still smoke and stink a lot - you'll probably piss off a few neighbors.  :-)
> But it makes all the difference in the world at the track...  For one thing,
> they don't have to warm up as much to work at optimum, as all brakes do.  And
> they won't stink as much after a few hard stops (and make you think you broke
> something).  We didn't BBQ the previous set (R4S), and at the track we could
> see them smoking and stinking all over the place, especially when we finished
> the first few runs and came back to the pits.  Fiercely AWful smell...  But we
> BBQ'd this most recent set and they stopped tight right from the first run.
> No smoke, no smell, no muss, no fuss, no bother...  :-)
>
> Do it!  Full instructions in the FAQ pages:
> www.Team3S.com/FAQbrakeBBQ.htm
>
> Best,
> Forrest

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:12:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BBQ brake pads

Nope..they dont need to gas before use.

Just bed in properly and cool down.

Procedure here:
http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=201886#201886

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Jim Matthews wrote:

> Should Porterfield R4 and/or R4S brake pads be BBQed before use?  The
> coals are hot!  :-)
>
> - --
> Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
> mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
> http://www.the-matthews.com
>
> *** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
>       http://www.the-matthews.com/stealth.html
> Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
> Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
> K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
> A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
> Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
> Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
> Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
> Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
> G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
> 1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BBQ brake pads

True, but PF says youre not hurting anything by cooking them, but at the
same time youre not solving anything.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Bob Forrest wrote:

> > Should Porterfield R4 and/or R4S brake pads be BBQed before use?  The coals
> are hot!  :-)
> > Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
> ------------------------------>
>
> Absolutely!  But you don't want them so close to the coals that you ignite
> them!  You want to bake them at high heat to "outgas" them.  Yes, they will
> still smoke and stink a lot - you'll probably piss off a few neighbors.  :-)
> But it makes all the difference in the world at the track...  For one thing,
> they don't have to warm up as much to work at optimum, as all brakes do.  And
> they won't stink as much after a few hard stops (and make you think you broke
> something).  We didn't BBQ the previous set (R4S), and at the track we could
> see them smoking and stinking all over the place, especially when we finished
> the first few runs and came back to the pits.  Fiercely AWful smell...  But we
> BBQ'd this most recent set and they stopped tight right from the first run.
> No smoke, no smell, no muss, no fuss, no bother...  :-)
>
> Do it!  Full instructions in the FAQ pages:
> www.Team3S.com/FAQbrakeBBQ.htm
>
> Best,
> Forrest

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:20:31 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BBQ brake pads

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
> FWIW --- I tried the BBQ on one set of pads a year or so ago and found that
when finished the surface was very uneven, as much as 1/16" or more. I sanded
them down to provide a flat surface although I'm sure that a few laps would
have accomplished the same thing.
- ----------------------------->
That's exactly the point!  You *can* do it at the track and suffer the smell
and partial brake capacity as the brakes get rid of the impurities OR you can
do it in advance and not have to make the first couple of runs choking on
brake smoke.  Perhaps you didn't do a *g-r-a-d-u-a-l* warmup and cooldown when
you did the BBQ?  As I pointed out to Jim M, you want to bake them at high
temperature, not put them over the hottest part of the coals to burn.  Then
after an hour or so, turn off the heat and leave them in the BBQ after it's
off (as the instructions point out) to cool down slowly (I leave mine
overnight).  Fast heating or cooling would no doubt warp the pads and make
them uneven.  And I get max performance out of new brakes even on their first
track run with BBQ-ing - I don't get that when I don't BBQ.  I get fade and
smoke until they are outgassed, then by maybe the 3rd run I get max
performance...

> There have been claims of extended life as a result of barbequing but I find
that hard to believe --- If Porterfield could get extended use from pads by
heat cycling them I'm sure they would do it. A BBQ may get the pads up to 600º
or 700º while a 20 minute track session may get them up to 1000º. I think it
more a matter of maybe doing some prep work in advance and making a stink at
home rather than at the track. The last few times I've
 done the bedding on the way to the track on some open stretches of road.
- ----------------------------->
Why would PF want them to last longer?  Why not let us waste material and
weaken the pads (so we have to replace them sooner) with rapid heating and
cooling at the track?  When I BBQ, I don't have to bed the brakes - they
aren't uneven and they work perfectly first time out.  You should try a SLOW
heatup/cooldown sequence in the BBQ and see if you feel differently.  For me,
BBQing is much better, and the brakes seem to last longer.  I'm copying this
post to Andie Lin (formerly at Carbotech, now with his own company) - perhaps
he can do a test for us with his new pads, with- and without a BBQ procedure.
He runs his NSX at the track and can give us butt dyno data, plus he has the
testing equipment to either debunk a myth or prove the validity of BBQ-ing
brake pads once and for all.

Best,
Forrest

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:55:33 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Track Overheating

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
- ----------snip----------->
When I blew my engine last year at Sears Point, I was at full throttle, 2nd
gear, 14 psi, and close to 7000 RPM (yes, I was STUPID).
- --------------------------->
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
> As to 7000 rpm in 2nd being foolish I disagree --- I spend a lot of my track
time at or near redline and the only side effect is to clear up my lifter
tick. I also run a shift light [ set at 6K ] to remind me in case I'm in the
heat of battle.
>         Jim Berry
- -------------------------->

I too disagree - I don't think it was foolish to run at 7k, nor in 2nd gear...
Sears Point was the shortened track at that time, with only one long straight.
Lots of turns in quick succession made 2nd gear a good choice for much of that
track, IMO.  Both ET and I took almost every run close to or at redline that
day (at every track we run, actually).  I'm sure there are other factors that
contributed to Ken's engine giving up (detonation..., 14psi..., who knows?).
These engines are made to run at redline for extended periods, and they're
tested that way.  Industry standard is to test engines at redline for 100,000
continuous miles.  Nissan claims to do it for 200,000 miles with 300Z and
later engines...

Whatever caused the failure, it was still pretty depressing for all of us when
Ken's engine went.  After he got the feel for the track, Ken was the
proverbial "bat out of hell" that day.  ;-)  I've still got a photo of him
standing by the towtruck on the wall here...  Megabummer.

Best,
Forrest

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:31:13 -0700
From: "Alan C. Sheffield" <a92rttt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Datalogs, 13g's, Stock Fuel, 9PSI

Here are some datalogs I made the night we installed the new turbos. Mods,
13G turbos, K&N, Gutted cats, test pipe. Running totally stock fuel and
boost.

http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/run_one.csv
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/run_two.csv
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/run_one.xls
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/run_two.xls

These logs are for comprison. I made them when I has stock turbos. Stock
Exh. MBC set to 13psi and a K&N

http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/to_jms.csv
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/to_jms.xls

I'd like to get some comments.
Yes, I know the idle is running a bit high in these logs.

I've also attacked some pictures we took during the install.
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-213F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-214F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-215F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-216F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-217F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-218F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-219F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-220F.JPG
http://www.mi3si.org/turboswap/MVC-221F.JPG

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:58:15 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Quick tranny Q

Mobil 1 ATF. . is it ok to and worth the $ to put in the tranny?

thanx

- -mike
97 SL

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:34:43 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: car problems

Some things you can check:

1.  Have your hood up and someone turn the key as you listen.  You should
hear a click.  That is your starter solenoid.  If you don't hear that then
it is not engaging.  There are many causes for it to not engage but it helps
to narrow things down to know if it is engaging or not.  If it is engaging
but not cranking then the problem is not enough power to the starter.

2.  Have the same person step on your brake pedal.  If your brake lights
don't come on or come on intermittenly then your brake switch may be bad.
That would prevent an automatic from starting.

3.  Your battery and cables may be good but you may have something slowly
draining your battery.  Disconnect your negative terminal with the car off
and NOTHING else on in the car (have the doors shut, no dome lights,
glovebox light etc.).  Then take a digital multi meter (DMM) and check if
there is any currently flow.  There should be none unless you have an
aftermarket alarm.

4.  While you have the battery diconnected clean the terminals.  Use a wire
brush or buy a battery terminal cleaner from an autoparts store for $3.

Good luck.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT


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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:38:53 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: car problems

One more thing you can do.

Get a hammer and a punch.  Us them to "tap" on the starter.  Don't hit it
hard but tap on it firmly.  If you do this and the car starts right away,
then your starter is sticking.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT


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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:51:41 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: car problems

Also, if the clutch switch is not working correctly, the car wont start
if your car is a manual transmission...

- -Cody

2.  Have the same person step on your brake pedal.  If your brake lights
don't come on or come on intermittenly then your brake switch may be
bad.
That would prevent an automatic from starting.

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:18:21 -0700
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Quick tranny Q

Assuming you have an automatic trans it is OK. I use a similiar product made
by Redline called Redline ATF. It costs about 7-8 per quart.

Andy
- -----Original Message-----
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com <M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Team3S: Quick tranny Q

>Mobil 1 ATF. . is it ok to and worth the $ to put in the tranny?
>
>thanx
>
>-mike
>97 SL

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Quick tranny Q

Sure..no problems at all.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Andrew D. Woll wrote:

> Assuming you have an automatic trans it is OK. I use a similiar product made
> by Redline called Redline ATF. It costs about 7-8 per quart.
>
> Andy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com <M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Date: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:00 PM
> Subject: Team3S: Quick tranny Q
>
> >Mobil 1 ATF. . is it ok to and worth the $ to put in the tranny?
> >
> >thanx
> >
> >-mike
> >97 SL

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Quick tranny Q

I should add..that I dont recall WHICH redline ATF recipe is for the 3s
autos..but you can email them on the www site.  They reply fast.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Geoff Mohler wrote:

> Sure..no problems at all.
>
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Andrew D. Woll wrote:
>
> > Assuming you have an automatic trans it is OK. I use a similiar product made
> > by Redline called Redline ATF. It costs about 7-8 per quart.
> >
> > Andy

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:52:10 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: 3S-Racers: Re: Team3S: Track Overheating

At 16:55 7/14/2002, Bob Forrest wrote:
>From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
>----------snip----------->
>When I blew my engine last year at Sears Point, I was at full throttle, 2nd
>gear, 14 psi, and close to 7000 RPM (yes, I was STUPID).
>--------------------------->
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
> > As to 7000 rpm in 2nd being foolish I disagree --- I spend a lot of my
> track
>time at or near redline and the only side effect is to clear up my lifter
>tick. I also run a shift light [ set at 6K ] to remind me in case I'm in the
>heat of battle.
> >         Jim Berry
>-------------------------->
>I too disagree - I don't think it was foolish to run at 7k, nor in 2nd gear...

let me also chip in: I do this very often too. After installing my 15G's, I
drive without a catback until I decide what king of mufflers to install.
Straight pipe and the engine wants to rev past the redline. I hit the rev
limiter five times last week. My boost is only 12 psi for now, but there is
not much difference between 12 and 14 if there is no detonation.

Philip
(partially upgraded fuel lines today, pics to follow)

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:55:42 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Molokai corrected

Oops.
The road to Hana is on Maui.
The Grand Canyon is on Kauai.
And maybe it was more like 80 up to the volcano, cuz it's curvy until the last mile.
We only get to Hawaii every 5 years, so memory fades.
Still, it's a driver's paradise. Great, windy roads.
If you go, rent a sporty car.
Rich

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:33:09 -0400
From: "Andre Cerri" <cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: car problems

Yep, this happened to me (in a Volvo). Everything looked OK, but NOTHING
happened on turning the key. A sharp rap with a socket wrench cleared it....

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of dakken
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 PM
To: Kimberly Byrd; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: car problems

One more thing you can do.

Get a hammer and a punch.  Us them to "tap" on the starter.  Don't hit it
hard but tap on it firmly.  If you do this and the car starts right away,
then your starter is sticking.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:15:44 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: car problems

You say the problem is not the cables, however, this is exactly how the car
behaves when the positive cable to the starter is corroded inside the
braided copper cable and especially down under the car where it connects to
the starter.  The lights still work but the starter is finicky.  Replace the
cables before you replace the starter.  They're cheaper.

Chuck Willis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kimbyrd@webtv.net [SMTP:kimbyrd@webtv.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:25 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: car problems
> . The
> problem is NOT the battery or the cables. Sometimes the car starts when
> I turn the key and at other times nothing at all happens. There are not
> noises, nothing. The dash lights do come on, but that is the only
> indication that the key has been turned. Sometimes, I have to turn the
> key 8 or 10 times before the car starts.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:44:47 -0500
From: "John C. Davidson" <jd@edge-software.com>
Subject: Team3S: For Sale: TD05/16G w/custom headers/o2 housings/FMIC/VPC/etc...

For those that don't monitor the 3si board.  I'm selling off a
complete TD05/16G setup (turbos/headers/o2s).  I've also got
many other things such as a FMIC/VPC, etc.  You can checkout
pics of all the items and get additional info on my website
here: http://www.clan-davidson.com/jd/forsale/

As always with Team3s 'for sale' posts, please reply to me
privately at: jd@edge-software.com  Not to the list.

Thanks!

   -JD

Also, here's a copy of what I posted to 3si.org (w/link):
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=9269811b12abea41aac0e77b7283a22d&threadi
d=89243
- ----------------------------------------------
Hey Folks,

I've decided to temporarily shelf my upgrade plans for the 93vr4.  As a result
I'm going to sell off the various components I've been accumulating.  At the
same time, I'm going 'clean out the garage' of excess parts.  If anyone is
looking for a relatively cheap way to get a complete TD05 setup, this is your
opportunity.  I'd prefer to sell the complete setup together
(turbos/headers/pump/inj, etc), so if your interested in buying a large block of
the items, please speak up soon.

Here's the list:  (See link below for pics!)

- -TD05/16G turbos, custom exhaust headers, and pre-cat elminators ($3800, obo)
- -Front Mount Intercooler w/piping, piping needs some work ($1200, obo)
SOLD! -6 Nippon Denso 720cc Injectors
SOLD! -1100hp SX Fuel pump and lines; SX Fuel regulator, Fuel filter, custom
fuel rails modified for higher feed
- -VPC with 550cc chip ($650, obo)
SOLD! -Custom intake plenum
- -Set of 4 17 inch chrome plated stock wheels, with used tires ($500, obo)

NOTE: Prices above do not include shipping costs, shipping will be extra.

Additional info and pics can be found[URL=http://www.clan-
davidson.com/jd/forsale/]here[/URL] .

Please, send me email to: [EMAIL=jd@edge-software.com]jd@edge-
software.com[/EMAIL] only if your are seriously interested.  I will try to
answer any questions posted here, but may not be able to check the board
regularly as I am very busy right now.

   -JD

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:17:45 -0600
From: "Curtis McConnell" <Curtis.McConnell@pulte.com>
Subject: Team3S: Boost after re-build

I just had the motor rebuilt and now during break in it is only boosting
to about 10-11 psi (autometer boost gauge) and then quickly dropping to
about 5psi. I plan on breaking in the motor then putting the EVC back
on, just want it ti run right before then. Any suggestions?

Thanks

1995 Vr-4 Spyder
Stillen Intake
Borla Exhaust
Stillen Downpipe
Gutted cats

Curtis McConnell

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:22:09 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Boost after re-build

Curtis a local guy here has the same problem, I have it narrowed down to a
sticking actuator but have not had an opportunity to confirm this......

Give it a try, the rear turbo is going to be a little more difficult to test

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curtis McConnell [SMTP:Curtis.McConnell@pulte.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:18 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Boost after re-build
>
> I just had the motor rebuilt and now during break in it is only boosting
> to about 10-11 psi (autometer boost gauge) and then quickly dropping to
> about 5psi. I plan on breaking in the motor then putting the EVC back
> on, just want it ti run right before then. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> 1995 Vr-4 Spyder
> Stillen Intake
> Borla Exhaust
> Stillen Downpipe
> Gutted cats
>
> Curtis McConnell

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:26:59 +0000
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost after re-build

> I just had the motor rebuilt and now during break in
> it is only boosting to about 10-11 psi (autometer
> boost gauge) and then quickly dropping to about
> 5psi. I plan on breaking in the motor then putting
> the EVC back on, just want it ti run right before
> then. Any suggestions?

Recheck all your intercooler connections and such.  If
possible, make an intake tester and pressurize it up to
15 psi and listen for leaks.  It should be pretty easy
for a tank-style compressor to build boost, a little
tire pump compressor is too slow.

If there are no leaks, and you hooked up the stock boost
control solenoid, disconnect the hose from the H
connector to the solenoid and carefully check to see if
you get more boost.  I noticed with my forged pistons
that when they are cold they rattle a bit which the ECU
sees as knock and closes the boost solenoid.  What is
your piston to bore clearance?  Which pistons?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:23:00 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: 3S-Racers: Re: Team3S: Track Overheating

I also remember once I banged the rev limiter in neutral several times. I
was tuning my boost controller on the way to a gathering. I had my data
acquisition connected incorrectly, which disabled the tach. Apparently,
that also affected the cruise control. I was rolling down the road in
neutral with the stereo near full volume when I engaged the cruise
control. The engine reved up from idle to the red line and past the red
line. I heard that secondary strange sound over the loud music of a big
fan or a jet engine reving up. Then it went BANG! BAND! BANG! BANG! My
AVC-R registered a peak value of 7320 RPM.

I still made it to the gathering and drove 5,000 miles since then without
any problems.

Philip

>                 I have been past 7000 occasionally at 14 psi boost (yes,
there is a
>rev limiter) in 2nd and 3rd gear with no damage to the engine in either
'93
>ro '94 VR4.
>
>                Chuck Willis

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:28:09 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 245/50-16

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Leung" <eleung@summitracing.com>
> I have a 1991 Stealth ES with the stock 16x8 "cuisinart" wheels on it.
Stock tire size is 225/55-16. I am due for new set of balonies, and someone
told me I could fit 245/50-16. Is this true? I know turbo cars take 245/45-17,
so this would seem to make sense, but I don't know whether the turbo offset is
different.
- ---------------------------->

Take a look at our "Plus Sizing" page for acceptable combinations of wheel and
tire sizes - 245/50-16 is one of them.  It will also explain how to calculate
the overall diameter for other sizes.  245/50 is a diameter of 25.65", while
stock 225/55 is 25.74".  The difference is negligible.  You can even go with a
245/45 or 225/45 for a slightly lower profile (slightly smaller diameters,
both of which will throw off your speedometer & odometer by about 4%).  I just
put on 245/45ZR16 race rubber (Toyo Proxes) for my track tires...  Here's the
page:
www.Team3S.com/FAQplussizing.htm

Best,
Forrest

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