Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth     Friday, June 28 2002     Volume 01 : Number 883




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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:09:35 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car creeping forward while parked in gear

I would assume 1st is a higher ratio --- you can go faster in 1st than
in reverse [ I've never had my car at redline in reverse but it seems
lower ].

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>

> Question is whether reverse or 1st gear has highest gear ratio.
>
> Which gear requires the engine to turn the most times per tire revolution.
>

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:25:43 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car creeping forward while parked in gear

Don't you mean reverse is higher, i.e. more engine turns in reverse to
fewer wheel turns?  Just check out stealth316.  Jeff's got the actual
ratios and final drive specs and whatnot.

my question is, don't higher ratio gears spin tires slower than lower
ratio gears (1:1 in 4th would be a lower gear?)

fastmax wrote:

> I would assume 1st is a higher ratio --- you can go faster in 1st than
> in reverse [ I've never had my car at redline in reverse but it seems
> lower ].
>
>         Jim Berry

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:29:54 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

> Another fuel-related thing to think about would be the Fuel Pump Relay
(the
> one that steps down the voltage at 3000?RPM).  Try bypassing that relay
> (will run your pump at full voltage all the time) using a wire, paper
clip,
> or whatever else you have handy.   Ok, so the paper clip was a joke, but
> it'll work in a pinch.
>
> Have you hooked up a pressure gauge to your high-pressure fuel line?  Is
> your fuel pressure ok?

I havn't hooked up a guage to my fuel line yet.  I saw the fuel pump power
on the data logger at 14 to 15 volts.  I don't know how the data logger
knows the fuel pump voltage but I took it at face value.

My SAFC is crimped in.  All the conections are good.  I worked on helicopter
armament and electrical systems for six years, so I was pretty thorough when
I made my connections.  I could have soldered them but after six years in
tight compartments soldering, I just don't have the patients for it anymore.

I am getting back firing when the hesitation occures.  Could this happen
with a fuel problem?  I have started looking into my ignition system since
it seems that that would be a more likely culprit.  I will short the fuel
relay right after I clean my coil contacts.  I'll make sure I don't use a
paper clip.  How about a bobby pin?

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, Apexi SAFC, K&N Filter, DN Performance Downpipe, Custom 3" cat
back, high flow cat, Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors,
3SX SS braided brake lines and gutted pre-cats, DSM 450 cc injectors, Direct
Hits ignition system, Thermo Tec exhaust wrap.

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:45:06 -0400
From: HigherBeing <scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject: Team3S: Engine Compartment Diagrams

Hey all,
    Wondering if anybody out there can tell me a site or direct me to some
diagrams of an engine compartment of a Turbo motor. I have the rear head off
of my Stealth to replace some valves and kinda forgot how some of the heat
shields and some of those misc, brackets go on and are placed. I remember
all the vaccum hoses and the sorts. Just can't remember where those heat
shield are placed. Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks
Jerry 93 Stealth RT/S & 92 Stealth E/S

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:53:52 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Idle stepper motor replacement?

What are acceptable stepper numbers from the pocketlogger/tmo that show that
the ISC/IAC is functioning properly?  For example, values at cold idle, warm
idle, during cruising, and WOT?

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Jeff Lucius
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:26 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Idle stepper motor replacement?

Those of us that datalog know that the ISC/IAC (stepper motor) is an
integral
part of the ECM's strategy for proper fuel-air mixture control. It is THE
way
that the ECM controls idle speed under varying operating conditions (cold
engine, warm engine, A/C startup, headlights on, etc.). The ECM also uses
the
ISC during acceleration.

Driving the car without a functioning ISC (while possible according to cody)
is not a wise course of action (except perhaps as an emergency alternative
to
being stranded) and should not be considered an alternative to repair or
replacement.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:49:38 EDT
From: Czarcd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: How to find a vacuum leak

In a message dated 6/26/02 10:27:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
apedenko@earthlink.net writes:

> I don't think it'd fit the wrong way, but...
>
> The tab should be towards the passenger compartment (if memory serves).

Just to clarify...the tab should be pointing up and on the passenger's side
of the throttle body?  Could this cause a vacuum leak if it was on wrong? 
Don't mean to sound stupid....just wanna make sure.

Thanx in advance,
Carlo
Black
91 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:04:15 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration

I'm amazed.  Only brake cooling mods I have are dust shields removed, front
splash guards replaced with hardware cloth, and cross drilled rotors (which
many deny is a cooling mod for brakes), and I have NEVER boiled my Motul.  I
don't even drive around to cool the brakes anymore after a session.  I cook
the Motul real good to a nice caramel color.  I am usually religious about
bleeding the brakes before an event, but this year ran four in a row without
bleeding them.  No fade, no boiling.

Conclusion:  I must really be driving slow.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:05 PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.
> Cc: 'Dave and Becky Trent'; Team3s
> Subject: RE: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration
>
> Yep..ive had it happen.
>
> Motul isnt foolproof, it can boil.
>
> Might be a time to talk about dust plates, cooling mods for the brakes, or
> brake management.

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:34:17 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration

I can't see any downside.  The real purpose of the dust shields seems to be
keeping heat in the rotors during normal driving.  If your brake pad has a
low enough operating temperature, who cares?  If you are doing PM on the
brakes a lot (like so you can drive on the tracks) I wonder about the value
of keeping the shields.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gerhard [SMTP:gerhard1@llnl.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:24 PM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration
>
>
> I'd like to get some additional input concerning the dust shields. The
> upside of removing them is better cooling. I hesitate to remove them until
>
> I think I know all the down sides. I'd appreciate any input as to what I
> might be losing if I remove them.
>
> Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:35:20 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission popping out of 4th gear on base stealth

In the past 2 days my transmission on the 93 Base Stealth (5 speed)
popped out of 4th gear twice.  Both times I was cruising nicely through
the city at 45 mph in 4th gear.  Then all of a sudden, it popped out of
gear.  I did not do anything sudden:  no hard acceleration, no letting
go of the accelerator all of a sudden. 

I know when the car pops out of 5th gear it can be the end nut on the
transmission, but what can be the reason for popping out of 4th?

- -MIHAI-
93 Base Stealth (5 speed)

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:08:15 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

I have all 3 coils out now.  Here are the readings.  Could someone tell me
if they are within tolerances?

Primary:  1.1 ohm, 1.1 ohm, 1.1 ohm
Secondary:  13.6 kohm, 13.5 kohm, 13.2 ohm

The connectors for the primaries were corroded pretty bad.  I am cleaning
them now.  Somehow a baby spider made a web inside one of the plastic
guards.  Makes me wonder is my car sat somewhere for a long time before I
bought it.  Maybe I will get lucky and cleaning the posts will fix my
problem.  I can always dream anyway.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, Apexi SAFC, K&N Filter, DN Performance Downpipe, Custom 3" cat
back, high flow cat, Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors,
3SX SS braided brake lines and gutted pre-cats, gutted MAS, DSM 450 cc
injectors, Direct Hits ignition system, Thermo Tec exhaust wrap.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:03:08 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: How to find a vacuum leak

Yes...

I double checked in the manual, and I'll take a look at the car
tomorrow, but yeah, it should be up and towards the passenger
compartment. I don't know if it not being that way could cause a leak...

Alex.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Czarcd@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:50 PM
To: apedenko@earthlink.net; team3s@team3s.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: How to find a vacuum leak

In a message dated 6/26/02 10:27:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
apedenko@earthlink.net writes:

I don't think it'd fit the wrong way, but...

The tab should be towards the passenger compartment (if memory serves).


Just to clarify...the tab should be pointing up and on the passenger's
side of the throttle body? Could this cause a vacuum leak if it was on
wrong? Don't mean to sound stupid....just wanna make sure.

Thanx in advance,
Carlo
Black
91 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:06:42 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

At 01:08 6/28/2002, dakken wrote:
>Primary:  1.1 ohm, 1.1 ohm, 1.1 ohm
>Secondary:  13.6 kohm, 13.5 kohm, 13.2 ohm

I have a spread of resistance numbers just like that. I think that's okay.

Philip

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Labonte <tnl7455@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Magnecor KV85 wires

I recently ordered and installed KV85 wires for a
3000GT 24V (Magnecor part# 65128).
Has anyone else who has ordered these wires found each
of them to be 2-3 inches too long?  I managed to get
the rear bank wires installed, but there is some
unsightly slack.  I wasn't able to install them at all
on the front bank because there just isn't anywhere to
put the extra slack. 
Did I just get a bum set?

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:18:07 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Magnecor KV85 wires

I installed two 8mm sets four or five years ago - they were longer than the
stock wires - they are also thicker.  so were the NGK wires I installed two
years ago. don't you have little retaining brackets to take up the slack?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Labonte [SMTP:tnl7455@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:00 AM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Magnecor KV85 wires
>
> I recently ordered and installed KV85 wires for a
> 3000GT 24V (Magnecor part# 65128).
> Has anyone else who has ordered these wires found each
> of them to be 2-3 inches too long?  I managed to get
> the rear bank wires installed, but there is some
> unsightly slack.  I wasn't able to install them at all
> on the front bank because there just isn't anywhere to
> put the extra slack. 
> Did I just get a bum set?

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:23:12 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

>> I havn't hooked up a guage to my fuel line yet. 
>> I saw the fuel pump power on the data logger at 14
>> to 15 volts.  I don't know how the data logger
>> knows the fuel pump voltage but I took it at face value.

What datalogger are you using? Because the ECM cannot (and therefore does not)
monitor voltage at the fuel pump, the TMO and PocketLOGGER do not report the
fuel pump voltage. For a list of what these two dataloggers do report and
which features are compatible with 1991-1993 3S cars, please take a look at my
web page below.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-tmo3.htm

These loggers do report what the nominal battery (system) voltage is. But that
is not the same as the voltage *at* the pump. A system voltage between 14 and
15 volts might be a little high for a warm engine in the summer (but is within
spec).

How to measure fuel pump voltage:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpvoltage.htm

How to bypass the FP resistor (only for turbo models):
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumprelaybypass.htm

How to increase voltage to the fuel pump:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpump-rewire.htm
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpump-hotwire.htm

Summary of spec alternator voltages and other battery info:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-dynabatt.htm#suitab

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
To: "Team3S List (E-mail)" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:33:53 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Magnecor KV85 wires

I have some pics of my (old) engine compartment on my web page below for
comparison and to show my solution to the Magnecor wires being slightly
longer - especially the back ones. The front ones could have been a little
shorter but no big deal.

http://www.stealth316.com/1-pics.htm

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Labonte" <tnl7455@yahoo.com>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:00 AM
Subject: Team3S: Magnecor KV85 wires

I recently ordered and installed KV85 wires for a
3000GT 24V (Magnecor part# 65128).
Has anyone else who has ordered these wires found each
of them to be 2-3 inches too long?  I managed to get
the rear bank wires installed, but there is some
unsightly slack.  I wasn't able to install them at all
on the front bank because there just isn't anywhere to
put the extra slack. 
Did I just get a bum set?

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:45:37 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Idle stepper motor replacement?

My cold engine starts with ISC steps in the range of 90 to 100 or more, which
decrease as the engine (coolant) warms.
At warm idle I get ISC steps of about 12 to 15.
Cruising causing steps to be around 20.
Acceleration and full throttle see steps increase to 40 to 50.
The scale on the datalogger is 0 to 130.

I really do not know if these are acceptable or normal as I have not compared
them to numbers from other cars. My engine seems to function "normally".

********************************************
Speaking of datalogging. Has anyone picked
up the ball to archive and catalog
datalogs for our cars?
********************************************

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
To: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Cc: "team3/S" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:53 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Idle stepper motor replacement?

What are acceptable stepper numbers from the pocketlogger/tmo that show that
the ISC/IAC is functioning properly?  For example, values at cold idle, warm
idle, during cruising, and WOT?

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:25:11 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

I took another look at my data logger.  It says on it fuel(pw).  I have a
TunerStein datalogger.  I searched their web site thoroughly and I cannot
find what this is.  I just assumed from the numbers that I saw there that it
was fuel power.  I'm going to search further to see if I can figure out
exactly what this is.

Tonight I will bypass the fuel replay and cross my fingers.  If it is not
kicking in at 3000 rpms then this just might be my problem.

Thanks for the input.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, Apexi SAFC, K&N Filter, DN Performance Downpipe, Custom 3" cat
back, high flow cat, Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors,
3SX SS braided brake lines and gutted pre-cats, gutted MAS, DSM 450 cc
injectors, Direct Hits ignition system, Thermo Tec exhaust wrap.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Les Gemar <lesgemar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: HKS EVC 4 installation

I just installed an HKS EVC 4 valve controller on my
1991 3000 gt VR-4. At stock boost (about 7.5 psi) it
runs smoothly to redline. When I run at "high boost"
or about 15 psi, the engine pulls very strong until
about 4500 RPM to 6500 RPM where it starts missing. I
have 57,000 miles on the car, everything is stock
except the HKS EVC boost controller and a K/N air
filter. Anyone experienced these same symptoms? I'm
looking for information anyone may have to eliminate
the missing problem at high boost.   Thanks, Les Gemar

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:47:34 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration

At 03:04 PM 6/27/02 -0500, Willis, Charles E. wrote:
>I'm amazed.  Only brake cooling mods I have are dust shields removed, front
>splash guards replaced with hardware cloth, and cross drilled rotors (which
>many deny is a cooling mod for brakes), and I have NEVER boiled my Motul.
>Conclusion:  I must really be driving slow.

Oh, c'mon Chuck. We both know that the faster you go, the less you use your brakes. You've known  that for a couple of years, which is why you don't need all the fancy stuff we amateurs buy (Big Reds, blowers, ducts, water injection, etc.). You have stock calipers ferchrissake, and your pads last for multiple events.

I've gone from using up a set of race pads in ONE DAY to making them last for two events, so I am finally learning how to brake.

I don't think the technique can be explained in so many words, because it also involves carrying momentum into the turns and BELIEVING that the car will turn in and actually make it through. You only learn that on track, with an instructor like you who can both demonstrate the technique and ensure the driver that he WILL make it through.

It seems weird to say that the faster you go, the less you use your brakes, but you've said it a number of times, and you are right.

Driving slow, my butt.

Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:52:40 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

"fuel(pw)" - Maybe it is the pulse width of the injectors in milliseconds? The
TMO and PocketLOGGER call this IPW. See if the value changes with RPM and load.

According to their web page below, the Tunerstein basically logs the same
values as the TMO/PL.

http://206.124.12.138/codsm/tunerstein/webpage/features.html

=============================================================
As far as the resistor relay goes, mine worked correctly (meaning the ECM
through the engine relay switched it correctly). But I only got around 10.5
volts to the pump before and after I bypassed the resistor. I had to re-wire
the pump circuit to get good voltage. I thought that maybe the pump ground
path was bad, but the pump grounds through the pump assembly frame through the
fuel tank to the frame/body (and that path was fine).

Now I get battery (system) voltage minus about 0.11 volts all the time. The
problem with that though is the stock FPR cannot handle all the flow from the
Supra pump with 13+ volts at idle (38 to 46 psi depending on voltage and
temp). I am waiting on Mike Walsh's aftermarket adjustable FPR (spoolinup.com)
to fix the problem (no driveability problems, I just want better control).
During boost, the fuel pressure looks fine.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
To: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 3700 rpms Update

I took another look at my data logger.  It says on it fuel(pw).  I have a
TunerStein datalogger.  I searched their web site thoroughly and I cannot
find what this is.  I just assumed from the numbers that I saw there that it
was fuel power.  I'm going to search further to see if I can figure out
exactly what this is.

Tonight I will bypass the fuel replay and cross my fingers.  If it is not
kicking in at 3000 rpms then this just might be my problem.

Thanks for the input.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, Apexi SAFC, K&N Filter, DN Performance Downpipe, Custom 3" cat
back, high flow cat, Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors,
3SX SS braided brake lines and gutted pre-cats, gutted MAS, DSM 450 cc
injectors, Direct Hits ignition system, Thermo Tec exhaust wrap.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:56:48 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS EVC 4 installation

Hey Les, two things search the FAQ pages (not trying to be rude here)
Second what you are experiencing is probably spark blowout, turn the boost
down to like 13 psi and regap your plugs down to .033    Those two things
will reduce your spark blowout and help your engine last longer.....  IMHO
15 psi is too high on the stock fuel system......   FWIW

Russ F
CT
93 VR-4 Still under the Knife

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Gemar [SMTP:lesgemar@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:44 AM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: HKS EVC 4 installation
>
> I just installed an HKS EVC 4 valve controller on my
> 1991 3000 gt VR-4. At stock boost (about 7.5 psi) it
> runs smoothly to redline. When I run at "high boost"
> or about 15 psi, the engine pulls very strong until
> about 4500 RPM to 6500 RPM where it starts missing. I
> have 57,000 miles on the car, everything is stock
> except the HKS EVC boost controller and a K/N air
> filter. Anyone experienced these same symptoms? I'm
> looking for information anyone may have to eliminate
> the missing problem at high boost.   Thanks, Les Gemar

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:48:37 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Magnecor KV85 wires

Yeah, this sucks how Magnecor has been making these wires for so many
years and they still have that extra slack. I guess not that many people
told them.

You could actually cut the coil connector ends shorter yourself and
re-crimp them, even without removing the wires from the car. Just pay
attention to how they were crimped before. I have not done that myself yet
because I may be upgrading the coils, therefore I might need all that
extra slack.

Philip

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I have some pics of my (old) engine compartment on my web page below for
comparison and to show my solution to the Magnecor wires being slightly
longer - especially the back ones. The front ones could have been a little

shorter but no big deal.

http://www.stealth316.com/1-pics.htm

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:50:22 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Team3S: electronic boost controller

I know there's quite a bit of difference of opinion on what the best
controller is, and maybe it's mostly a matter of preference.  I was
pretty convinced I was going to buy a Apexi indiglo unit, but it seems
to be pretty confusing to set up according to a lot of posts I've read.

I just read a review of half a dozen or so controllers in Sport Compact
Car, and it seemed the Blitz SBC-ID had the least negative comments
relative to the pluses.  Anyone care to comment?

I came across a group buy on the Blitz SBC-ID for $475, and was wondering
if this sounds like a good price, or are there other vendors that sell it
for less.  I don't have money to burn, but this one sounded like it's
worth digging a bit deeper for.

I know some of you swear by manual controllers, but for a variety of
reasons, that won't work very well for me.

any input would be appreciated!

thanks,

Dave
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= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =    http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html
= There is no spoon.. =
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:55:37 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: electronic boost controller

I like the SBCi-D because it is just like the DSBC only it has a pretty
display and a few other features....   475 is a very good price most vendors
I have seen are selling it for about 550 or so.   AS far as installation and
setting this thing up your best bet is to go to Roger Gerl's site it has the
details for setting up the DSBC and its is basically identical for the
SBCi-D

I had the Apexi unit but I may be ditching it in favor of the new HKS unit
if it ever comes out

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Monarchi [SMTP:monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:50 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: electronic boost controller
>
>
> I know there's quite a bit of difference of opinion on what the best
> controller is, and maybe it's mostly a matter of preference.  I was
> pretty convinced I was going to buy a Apexi indiglo unit, but it seems
> to be pretty confusing to set up according to a lot of posts I've read.
>
> I just read a review of half a dozen or so controllers in Sport Compact
> Car, and it seemed the Blitz SBC-ID had the least negative comments
> relative to the pluses.  Anyone care to comment?
>
> I came across a group buy on the Blitz SBC-ID for $475, and was wondering
> if this sounds like a good price, or are there other vendors that sell it
> for less.  I don't have money to burn, but this one sounded like it's
> worth digging a bit deeper for.
>
> I know some of you swear by manual controllers, but for a variety of
> reasons, that won't work very well for me.
>
> any input would be appreciated!
>
> thanks,
>
> Dave
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> = 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
> = 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =    http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html
> = There is no spoon.. =

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:13:24 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Magnecor KV85 wires

Mine are also longer but I am of the mindset that longer is better than
too short.  Just make a wave pattern under the front spark plug plate
cover instead of pulling them tight.  Make them go over the first spark
plug boot then under the next. You can do it if you look at it for a
bit. Maybe face the boot to the right and come up and around itself to
take up the slack.

Rear is hard to notice since you only see the one end of them.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Labonte
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 09:00

I recently ordered and installed KV85 wires for a
3000GT 24V (Magnecor part# 65128).
Has anyone else who has ordered these wires found each
of them to be 2-3 inches too long?  I managed to get
the rear bank wires installed, but there is some
unsightly slack.  I wasn't able to install them at all
on the front bank because there just isn't anywhere to
put the extra slack. 
Did I just get a bum set?

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:23:39 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel pump voltage

> Now I get battery (system) voltage minus about 0.11 volts all the time.
The
> problem with that though is the stock FPR cannot handle all the flow from
the
> Supra pump with 13+ volts at idle (38 to 46 psi depending on voltage and
> temp).

What I plan to do after I fix my hesitation problem is add another relay
plus 10 guage wire to the fuel pump circuit.  Originally I was just going to
add a 10 guage to the original circuit but I don't know if the stock fuel
relay can handle that many amps.  I will splice into wire #2 off the stock
relay and use that to activate the 2nd relay that I will add.  The 2nd relay
will connect the 10 guage wire directly to the fuel pump.

This is pretty simple and will allow the stock system to control the whole
works.  I suppose I could just eliminate the whole stock relay and wire in a
higher amp relay with the 10 guage wire.  I will decide for sure when the
time comes to do it.


Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, Apexi SAFC, K&N Filter, DN Performance Downpipe, Custom 3" cat
back, high flow cat, Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors,
3SX SS braided brake lines and gutted pre-cats, gutted MAS, DSM 450 cc
injectors, Direct Hits ignition system, Thermo Tec exhaust wrap.

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