Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Tuesday, June 25 2002    Volume 01 : Number 879




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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:51:23 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Belt squeak

Hi Darren:  It sounds like you have isolated the problem to one belt. I
agree you don't sound like you have too many miles on the belts you have,
but belt noise problems are almost always solvable by changing the belt -
even when the damn things are new. I don't know why this is true but it is.
I always figure that you can't go too wrong with a new part anyway, and then
I feel better about being 200 miles into the desert on a 110 degree day with
no gas station in sight. Keep us posted.  Andy
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
To: <Team3S@team3s.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Belt squeak


| Andy, I will take a look at the belt but wouldn't 6 months or 10k miles
| be basically a brand new belt?  Since they are replaced at 60k then I
| would expect it to last a lot longer.  96k miles on the car and belts
| were changed at 60k.
|
| Today I confirmed it was the A/C belt and not the normal belts.  I
| started the car and turned off the air.  Then I turned on the air but
| did not turn on the A/C.  No squeaks at all.  Then I turned on the A/C
| and I could hear the belt engaging as that set of wheels got up to speed
| and the fan kicked on.  Not real loud and not a full "clunk" but an
| engaging sound.  Then after about half a second to a second the squeak
| started.  I turned off the A/C and it stopped.  I turned it on and it
| engaged and then started squeaking.
|
| So maybe it is time to get a free check-up at an A/C place or the dealer
| and let them say it is fine and get their guarantee then when it breaks
| in 3 months let them replace it as they felt it was good for another 5
| years.  <grin>
|
| I'm putting about 30k miles a year on it now so I don't doubt that it is
| wearing out sooner since I use A/C in the hot days obviously but it may
| also have been some Engine Cleaning solution from the manual car wash
| areas or Foamy Engine Brite that got down on the hub of the A/C wheels
| and cleaned out some grease too and replaced it with water and some
| rust.  It could be anything but I think we've narrowed it down so I'll
| take a look at it at some point.  It might just be a slipping belt (too
| tight or too loose) and that, of course, is an easy fix.
|
| --Flash!
| 1995 VR-4 with a squeak followed by an owl hoot =)
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Andrew D. Woll [mailto:awoll1@pacbell.net]
| Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 15:58
|
| Darren:  The last time I heard a sound like you are describing my belt
| broke about a week later leaving me the pleasure of calling AAA for a
| tow. It was at a really bad time too. Sooo - how new is your belt? - if
| more than 6 months or 10k miles then why not just replace it?

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:17:12 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Belt squeak

My guess is the idler pulley needs to be replaced.  Just had this done to my
'93 VR4.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:36:47 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Belt squeak

There is such a thing as "belt dressing", sticky stuff that is intended to
help a belt that has become glazed.  It is not a lubricant like WD40 - quite
the reverse.  If you are trying to lubricate the pulleys or A/C clutch, I
can understand trying the WD40 stuff.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:05:25 -0600
From: "Stephen H. Simonds" <simonds@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: oil

I use Mobile One 10w-30, change every 3000mi. and autocross about 2
weekends per month.

norman ross wrote:
>
> Iam going on along trip what is the best oil to put in
> and is it good for raceing too.
> Thanks Norman

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:19:15 -0500
From: <jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel Injectors

What is the difference between cleaning injectors off the car and on the
car?  How do you clean injectors on the car?

TIA

Jim W
92 3000GT SL

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:59:20 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Belt squeak

I'll try all of these.  The cheapest is the dealer's free inspection of
the idler pulley, belt inspection, and correct tension setting.  If it
is one of those things then they can fix it but throw on the dealer's
labor rate.  Second cheapest is belt dressing or setting the tension
myself.  Ultimate solution is replacing the belt and/or the idler
pulley.

It makes sense that it might be the wheels since they are 96k miles old
but I'll see what the diagnosis is.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 09:37

There is such a thing as "belt dressing", sticky stuff that is intended
to help a belt that has become glazed.  It is not a lubricant like WD40
- - quite the reverse.  If you are trying to lubricate the pulleys or A/C
clutch, I can understand trying the WD40 stuff.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:32:28 -0400
From: "WALTER D. BEST" <WDBO39@erols.com>
Subject: RE:  Team3S:  Different Rear valve cover

Hoping someone who's out there can give me a quick answer.  As you probably
know I polish and powder coat valve covers, but I don't ususally do the rear
valve cover.  However I have 2 on my table right now - and  I just noticed
that they're different.  One has a flared out semi-circular area where the
timing belt runs (driver's side bottom corner) and the timing belt cover
attaches, the other is boxed off square just like the front valve cover.  I
know my '92 VR-4 has the boxed off style.  What is this flared out verison -
is it a model year change?  Is it turbo vs. non-turbo??  Is it
interchangable? (It doesn't look like it is).
Any help or insight here would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks
- - Dave Best
'92 VR-4

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:11:15 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Team3S: STIM and Powertrain Diagnostics on eBay

Folks,

There is a STIM up for auction on ebay. The Powertrain Diagnostic manual is
very worthwhile also. I have both manuals shown so will not be bidding.

The following needs to be all on one line:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838540729

STIM:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-stim.htm

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:00:10 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: on the subject of spark plugs

Looks like you've been running very rich.  Or maybe your spark plugs haven't
been getting up to their operating temp...are these plugs the stock heat
range?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: anthonymelillo [mailto:anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:22 PM
> To: Team 3S List Submissions
> Subject: Team3S: on the subject of spark plugs
>
>
> Since there has been some discussion on what good spark plugs
> look like, I was wondering if someone could tell me if these look
> normal or not ?
>
> They are new Denso Iridium Plugs that I put in my 1997 VR-4. 
> They have a little over 300 miles on them.
>
> http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/images/web-spark-plug.jpg
>
> Anthony Melillo
> 1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
> http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:02:07 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Belt squeak

As luck would have it I received a letter today from my Mitsu dealer
(I'm fortunate to have one of the nice ones) who said they may think it
is time for me to come in for my 90k mile check-up.  How did they know
the belts were squeaking.  Plus, with the 10% off coupon it might be
worth the quick check-up.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn amy <glenn_amy@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Belt squeak

- --- "Willis, Charles E."
<cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org> wrote:
> My guess is the idler pulley needs to be replaced.
> Just had this done to my
> '93 VR4.
>
Remeber the cost?  Mine isn't making noise, but
doesn't look too good.

Thanks,
Glenn
'93 VR-4

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:18:50 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intermitten Warning Light

no owners manual in the glovebox?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dakken [SMTP:dougusmagnus@attbi.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:56 AM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Intermitten Warning Light
>
> I have an intermitten warning light coming on.  It is the one on the
> bottom
> right of the instrument panel that looks to me like an ancient greek
> building.  I have searched several 3S web sites and looked in my service
> manual.  I can't find anything that says what any of the warning lights
> mean.  Would someone give me a link that shows all the warning lights and
> what they mean?

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:48:01 -0500
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration

I can attest to the fact that if your fluid reservoir is not all the way up
to the high level mark, hard acceleration will initiate the warning light.
Unfortuntely, as an avid open tracker, running fluid much above half full
results in brake fluid leaking out of the cap during hard use.  I've learned
to ignore the warning light as opposed to cleaning up brake fluid from
around the reservoir.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration

> Philip,
>
> If it is then it does not make sense.  As an avid road racer I make it a
> point to always keep the brake fluid filled and fresh.  It is not below
> the Min mark so that is not the problem.  Unless, on hard launches the
> fluid gets slung to the back but since I know the little electrical
> sensors are down in the reservoir quite far I do not think this is the
> problem.
>
> --Flash!

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:30:40 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel Injectors

Only way I know is to put injector cleaner into the gas tank and run the
car.  Doing this before a long drive on the highway seems to work pretty
good.

I don't think this is nearly as good as removing the injectors and sending
them off for an ultrasonic cleaning, but lots cheaper.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com [SMTP:jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:19 AM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Fuel Injectors
>
> What is the difference between cleaning injectors off the car and on the
> car?  How do you clean injectors on the car?
>
> TIA
>
> Jim W
> 92 3000GT SL

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:26:12 -0400
From: "Roger J. Roskam" <IndyStealth@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: [mi3si] Recall?

Message>>> Would I expect to receive notification even though I am not the
original owner? How would Dodge/Mitsu know about me owning a Stealth 3rd
hand? Through my car registration? <<<


DaimlerChrysler has a database searchable by VIN.  E-mail me your VIN and I
can look it up to see if you are listed as the owner.  You probably are --
they keep track of these things for this reason (recalls).

Anybody with a Stealth (must be a Dodge, no Mitsu branded cars) - I can tell
you when your car was built, what option codes it had, any recalls, etc.
Send me your VIN.  =)

Roger Roskam
91 Indy Stealth RT/TT

work e-mail:
rjr15@dcx.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:45:30 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: EGT probe lengths

Hi all,

I will be installing a dual Westach EGT gauge. I have two probes that have
4" long tips. I did not think much when I ordered them. Now I think 2.5"
tips would have been much better.

Question: Is there enough room under the rear exhaust manifold to install a
4" long probe?

I can access and replace the front EGT probe much easier, therefore it is
not as critical for me to know the correct length before I start the
teardown. But the rear one is a different story.

Philip

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 03:14:50 +0000
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT probe lengths

> I will be installing a dual Westach EGT gauge. I have
> two probes that have 4" long tips. I did not think
> much when I ordered them. Now I think 2.5" tips would
> have been much better.

> Question: Is there enough room under the rear exhaust
> manifold to install a 4" long probe?

The probe I used back there is probably 6" long. 
You'll need to bend it to loop around the heat shield
and hook up its wiring anyway.  You don't want the
wiring between the heat shield and the manifold
anyways, so having a slightly long probe is probably a
good thing.

...just verify that the Westach probe can be gently
bent.  I think mine's a Westach even though it came
from SPA Technique.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:28:31 -0700
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intermitten Warning Light

If it is the light that looks like a back of a penny, this is the coolant
warning. Likely your coolant (antifreeze/water mix) is low. If it is the
other light that looks like a tank half full of water, than it is the wiper
washer light.

Hope that helps,

Tyson

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Willis, Charles E.
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:19 AM
To: 'dakken'; team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Intermitten Warning Light

no owners manual in the glovebox?

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:36:40 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel Injectors

> What is the difference between cleaning injectors off the car and on the
> car?  How do you clean injectors on the car?

Here is a very good article that goes into great detail on the subject.  It
talks about fuel additives, autoshop cleaning and removing the injectors to
clean have them cleaned in a specialized shop.  I recently had my used DSM
450 cc injectors cleaned off the car.

http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/010815/11/8yn2.html

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:51:20 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT probe lengths

I called Westach and they said that it should not be bent because there is
a ceramic core inside that separates the wires going to the tip. But I
remember seeing a lot of probes bent all kinds of ways.

I took another look at it and 4" seems okay to me now. Thanks.

Philip

At 23:14 6/24/2002, mjannusch@attbi.com wrote:
>...just verify that the Westach probe can be gently
>bent.  I think mine's a Westach even though it came
>from SPA Technique.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:33:51 -0700
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help......Engine Hesitating

Are you talking about the threaded hole in the throttle body?  That takes a
threaded plug with an O-ring.  Over time, they will un-thread and blow out.
There is no part listing for the 3000GT/Stealth.  However, you can order the
plug and O-ring for an Eclipse throttle body and it fits fine, about $5.  As
you screw in the plug, it affects the idle RPM.  As it comes out, RPM rises.
As you screw it in, idle RPM will decrease.

Good luck,
Ken

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Czarcd@aol.com>
To: <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:29 PM
Subject: Team3S: Help......Engine Hesitating


> Hello Everyone,
>
>
> I hope someone can help me.  Today, my engine started hesitating.  After
> checking a few things out, I noticed a hissing sound coming from
somewhere.
> I finally found it, it was coming from the part where the Y-pipe attaches
to
> one side and the other side goes into the intake plenum.  It is the part
> where there are alot of vacuum lines, it has 3 vacuum lines in a U shape
on
> top of each other going horizontally.  On that part where the vacuum lines
go
> into, towards the front of the car, the hissing is coming out of a
> approximately 1/4 of an inch hole, maybe just a little bit bigger.  If I
plug
> the hole with my finger the car starts to run smooth but idles at
> approximately 1500 rpm.  I was wondering if anyone knew what went there,
did
> I loose a plug there or maybe there was a fitting or a vacuum line.  I am
> really lost.  Has this ever happened to anybody else?  Any help would be
> greatly appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:19:00 -0700
From: "Bradford J. Gay" <bradfordjgay@charter.net>
Subject: Team3S: Intercooler Piping

After doing one pass or just driving hard, my DN Performance intercooler
pipes are a bit hotter than I think IC pipes should be.  Am I the only
one experiencing this, or are hot IC pipes a common thing?  I ask this
because my friend's dad had a S4 and the IC pipes never got near the
temps mine do.  Any ideas?  Thanks.

- -Brad
 97 VR-4
 13.505 @ 103.63

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:14:40 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration

are you sure that brake fluid is coming out and not power steering fluid?

if brake fluid is coming out of your reservior, you need to replace the
cap/rubber diaphragm.  That is NOT normal.

Chuck Willis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave and Becky Trent [SMTP:bdtrent@netzero.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:48 PM
> To: Team3s
> Subject: Re: Team3S: E-brake indicator light on acceleration
>
> I can attest to the fact that if your fluid reservoir is not all the way
> up
> to the high level mark, hard acceleration will initiate the warning light.
> Unfortuntely, as an avid open tracker, running fluid much above half full
> results in brake fluid leaking out of the cap during hard use.  I've
> learned
> to ignore the warning light as opposed to cleaning up brake fluid from
> around the reservoir.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT

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