Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Tuesday, June 18
2002 Volume 01 : Number
873
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Date:
Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:14:42 -0700
From: Rich Fowler <
richfowler2@cox.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: AWD Dyno LIST
OK Here we go, Also if you guys/gals
could specify the type I would
appreciate it.........
Milford
CT
AWD Dyno Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD
AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere Motorsports)
Rancho Cucamonga
CA AWD
Dyno Jet (GT Motorsports)
> Lets Do a copy and paste for this
one so that way we do not put the digest
> folks through the
ringer......
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:28:50
-0700
From: Damon Rachell <
damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Buttonwillow on 7/13-7/14...
Hi All,
I was browsing through NASA's
webpage and saw my next event.
Buttonwillown on July 13-14. Is anyone
interested in going? I've had
great results with NASA in the past, as
I'm sure many of you have had as
well. It's not expensive, $225 with
membership, and includes two days
of driving (4 20minute
sessions).
I'm signing up tomorrow, and i'm sure it'll fill up
fast. All southern
californians should consider this, as I hear it's a
really nice, fast track.
Lemme know. Let's try to make this a
gathering of some sorts...
Damon Rachell
92 R/T Turbo -- Vipers in my
sights, but pulling away quickly :-{
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:23:16
-0700
From: "BlackLight" <
BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: AWD Dyno LIST
Milford
CT AWD Dyno
Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere
Motorsports)
Redmond WA AWD Mustang DyneC (Dyno
Authority)
Taken from
http://66.114.152.24/about.htm "Dyno
Authority uses an
enhanced Mustang DyneC system. We use the MD7000 control
panel with a
dyno bed capable of measuring four wheels at once. This is
indespensible
for testing todays all-wheel drive vehicles."
Matt
Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Netwww.BlackLight.5u.com-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Rich Fowler
Sent: Monday,
June 17, 2002 6:15 PM
To: team3s
Subject: Re: Team3S: AWD Dyno
LIST
OK Here we go, Also if you guys/gals could specify the
type I would
appreciate it.........
Milford
CT
AWD Dyno Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD
AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere
Motorsports)
Rancho Cucamonga
CA AWD
Dyno Jet (GT Motorsports)
> Lets Do a copy and paste for
this one so that way we do not put the
> digest folks through the
ringer......
*** Info:
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:24:25
-0700
From: "BlackLight" <
BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: AWD Dyno LIST
Milford
CT AWD Dyno
Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere
Motorsports)
Rancho Cucamonga CA AWD Dyno Jet (GT
Motorsports)
Redmond WA AWD Mustang DyneC (Dyno
Authority)
Taken from
http://66.114.152.24/about.htm "Dyno
Authority uses an
enhanced Mustang DyneC system. We use the MD7000 control
panel with a
dyno bed capable of measuring four wheels at once. This is
indespensible
for testing todays all-wheel drive vehicles."
Matt
Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Netwww.BlackLight.5u.com-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Rich Fowler
Sent: Monday,
June 17, 2002 6:15 PM
To: team3s
Subject: Re: Team3S: AWD Dyno
LIST
OK Here we go, Also if you guys/gals could specify the
type I would
appreciate it.........
Milford
CT
AWD Dyno Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD
AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere
Motorsports)
Rancho Cucamonga
CA AWD
Dyno Jet (GT Motorsports)
> Lets Do a copy and paste for this
one so that way we do not put the
> digest folks through the
ringer......
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:46:11
-0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
apedenko@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Team3S: 60k
Okay, I'm lost
I installed the new timing belt, set
the tension up (man what a
pain that is) and put the tensioner in. And
everything is okay. But once
I start putting the lower timing belt cover on,
the belt slackens. So I
look at the tensioner and its completely closed
- the plunger is all
the way in! What am I doing wrong? I torque the
tensioner pulley to 7.5
ftlbs and the pulley bolt to 40 ftlbs.
Any
ideas?
Alex.
95 VR4
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:11:45
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Buttonwillow on 7/13-7/14...
Maybe..will have to
see.
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Damon Rachell wrote:
> Hi
All,
> I was browsing through NASA's webpage and saw my next event.
> Buttonwillown on July 13-14. Is anyone interested in going?
I've had
> great results with NASA in the past, as I'm sure many of you
have had as
> well. It's not expensive, $225 with membership, and
includes two days
> of driving (4 20minute sessions).
>
>
I'm signing up tomorrow, and i'm sure it'll fill up fast. All southern
> californians should consider this, as I hear it's a really nice, fast
track.
>
> Lemme know. Let's try to make this a gathering of
some sorts...
>
> Damon Rachell
> 92 R/T Turbo -- Vipers in
my sights, but pulling away quickly :-{
- ---
Geoff Mohler
Lots of
cars..and race them all. Dont you?
Got Brakes? I've got
savings!
Porterfield parts catalog online now at
http://www.speedtoys.com-
---
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:20:10
+0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: 60k
> I installed the new timing belt, set the tension
up
> (man what a pain that is) and put the tensioner
> in. And
everything is okay. But once I start putting
> the lower timing belt cover
on, the belt slackens.
> So I look at the tensioner and its
completely
> closed - the plunger is all the way in! What am I
>
doing wrong? I torque the tensioner pulley to 7.5
> ftlbs and the pulley
bolt to 40 ftlbs.
You are probably putting too much tension on the
pulley. How are you setting it up? Using a new
tensioner or
trying to reuse the old one? Too much
tension will squeeze the
tensioner in. The tension has
to be just right to balance the belt
tension against
the hydraulic pressure in the tensioner. Try setting
the tension looser to start. Also make sure after you
set it all
up and torque the pulley "offset" bolt that
you spin the crank to move the
belt around one full
revolution and then let it sit for 20 minutes and
recheck the tension by putting a pin or allen wrench
through the hole in
the tensioner body. The pin or
wrench should go straight through the
hole in the
tensioner rod and through the hole on the back side of
the
tensioner. If it doesn't, your tension isn't
correct.
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:29:12
-0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
apedenko@earthlink.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 60k
I'm using a new tensioner. I guess I'll re-do it for the
4th time...
Alex.
- -----Original Message-----
From:
mjannusch@attbi.com
[mailto:mjannusch@attbi.com]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:20 PM
To:
Alex Pedenko
Cc: 'Team3S'
Subject: Re: Team3S: 60k
> I installed
the new timing belt, set the tension up
> (man what a pain that is) and
put the tensioner
> in. And everything is okay. But once I start
putting
> the lower timing belt cover on, the belt slackens.
> So I
look at the tensioner and its completely
> closed - the plunger is
all the way in! What am I
> doing wrong? I torque the tensioner pulley to
7.5
> ftlbs and the pulley bolt to 40 ftlbs.
You are probably
putting too much tension on the
pulley. How are you setting it
up? Using a new
tensioner or trying to reuse the old one? Too
much
tension will squeeze the tensioner in. The tension has
to be
just right to balance the belt tension against
the hydraulic pressure in the
tensioner. Try setting
the tension looser to start. Also make
sure after you
set it all up and torque the pulley "offset" bolt that
you spin the crank to move the belt around one full
revolution and then
let it sit for 20 minutes and
recheck the tension by putting a pin or allen
wrench
through the hole in the tensioner body. The pin or
wrench
should go straight through the hole in the
tensioner rod and through the
hole on the back side of
the tensioner. If it doesn't, your tension
isn't
correct.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:56:40
-0600
From: "Donald Ashby III" <
dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 92 Stealth TT 4 sale
He didn't say a 98 stealth, he said
another stealth, a 98 sl and a few supra
turbos :)
although I looked
through the inventory and only saw one 3S (98 3000gt SL)
and like 5 twin
turbo supras *drool drool* too bad the only one with a price
posted is an
auto...
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4
Member #4909
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "ek2mfg" <
ek2mfg@foxinternet.com>
To:
<
terflit@hotmail.com>; <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, June 17, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: 92 Stealth TT 4
sale
>
> It goes without saying...a 98 Stealth does not
exist....I would bet
> these numbers are fallen victim to either hook and
bait practices or
> a newspaper/site that hase know spele cheker
:)
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From:
terflit@hotmail.com> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 92 Stealth TT 4 sale
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002
17:33:49 -0400
>
> >About my last post, I found a website address
for the dealership it
> >is
> >www.dennydotson.com they also
have another stealth a 98 sl and a few
> >supra
> >turbos
etc.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:59:37
-0600
From: "Donald Ashby III" <
dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Part # help please
Can someone give me the part # for the clear
rectangle that is in the trunk,
it's a light bulb cover for the trunk light.
Does anyone know if those clear
rectangles can fit where the red ones are in
the doors? I want to get rid of
those red lights but still have lights come
on when I open the door.
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4
Member
#4909
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:04:39
-0400
From: "Dan Mecier" <
dan@3sxperts.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
AWD Dyno List
Milford
CT
AWD Dyno Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD
AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere
Motorsports)
Redmond WA AWD Mustang
DyneC (Dyno
Authority)
Louisville, KY AWD Mustang Dyno
(AutoMotion)
Woodstock, GA DynaPack AWD (Knowledge Performance)
Rockwall,
TX AWD Mustang Dyno (Cobb Tuning)
North Riverside, IL (Chicago) AWD Mustang
Dyno (Dyna Tech)
There was also supposed to be one being installed in
Columbus, OH but I
never heard if it actually materialized. California guys,
isn't there
one in SoCal somewhere?
That's not a bad list so
far.
Dan Mecier
94 3000GT VR-4 with lots of good
stuff.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:41:39
-0600
From: "Kyle Call" <
redcelicagt@cableone.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Hey all,
I dont want to stir up any
commotion. . .but, I've been following both
Supra and 3S lists and what
not very closely lately. I've noticed that
Supras respond to modification
"better" (or with more HP) than 3S's. Why is
this? I've noticed that 500HP
VR-4's are rare, yet, in a Supra 500HP is
attained rather easily. In fact,
Mark Tozer at
www.suprastore.com has a
460
BPU kit for $1400 (and a 1200 HP kit for $33K :-). Is it the
Supra's I6
while we have a V? I'm just a little bewildered with this. Its
always made
me wonder. I hope this wasnt a stupid question, as I am not
Car-Smart by any
means.
Thanks in advance
Kyle
Call
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:48:38
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
NASA Pro Racing- Thunderhill 6/29-6/30 & Buttonwillow on
7/13-7/14...
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rachell"
<
damonr@mefas.com>
> I was
browsing through NASA's webpage and saw my next event.
Buttonwillown on July
13-14. Is anyone interested in going? I've had great
results with
NASA in the past, as I'm sure many of you have had as well.
It's not
expensive, $225 with membership, and includes two days of driving
(4 20minute
sessions).
I'm signing up tomorrow, and i'm sure it'll fill up fast.
All southern
californians should consider this, as I hear it's a really nice,
fast track.
> Lemme know. Let's try to make this a gathering of some
sorts...
> Damon Rachell
-
----------------------->
Agreed. NASA is the best, with the most
caring instructors I've ever been
with... And after 2 days' worth of 4
sessions per day, you're pretty much
wiped out. You *do* get your
money's worth.
We'll be going up to NASA's HPDE on June 29/30 at
Thunderhill (up near
Sacramento), but we hadn't thought about
Buttonwillow... (I've always
wanted to run there!). Maybe if we
can put together some local folks for a
caravan, we'll do it. It'd be
great to see you again, and maybe we could
get Jim Berry and a few others out
of their huts to join us... :-)
Let's talk about it on the
Team3SRacers list, so we don't bore the rest of
the world on the main list
with all the fun we're having! Thanks for the
heads-up
Damon!
BTW, I'm going to try to organize a big West Coast get-together on
October
12/13 at Sears Point. Same NASA deal - 2 days, 4-20 minute
sessions per
day, free BBQ Saturday night, take a passenger on the track for
$5, day-care
facilities for kids, on-track medical staff, (rare) accidents
covered by
insurance, all the typical NASA goodies... I'll post a
couple of times
during the summer on Team3S to let people know, and then we
can hash out the
details on the Racers
list...
Best,
Forrest
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:45:22
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Not at all... It's actually due to the
fact their stock injectors are
550cc whereas a VR4's are 360CC, plus the
addition of an already high
flowing fuel pump, and larger turbos straight
from the factory.
One thing you do have to consider is how much
Supras sell for.... The
difference in price between a VR4 and a Supra
will easily net you all
those above mentioned mods, and still have less money
out of pocket than
buying a Supra...
- -Cody
- -----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Kyle Call
Sent: Tuesday,
June 18, 2002 1:42 AM
To: Team3s
Subject: Team3S: Reaction to
Mods
Hey all,
I dont want to stir up any commotion. . .but, I've
been following both
Supra and 3S lists and what not very closely lately. I've
noticed that
Supras respond to modification "better" (or with more HP) than
3S's. Why
is
this? I've noticed that 500HP VR-4's are rare, yet, in a
Supra 500HP is
attained rather easily. In fact, Mark Tozer at
www.suprastore.com has a
460
BPU kit
for $1400 (and a 1200 HP kit for $33K :-). Is it the Supra's I6
while
we have a V? I'm just a little bewildered with this. Its always
made
me
wonder. I hope this wasnt a stupid question, as I am not Car-Smart
by
any
means.
Thanks in advance
Kyle Call
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:57:59
+0000
From: "Marc Gauthier" <
gogauthier@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
The Supra is also a popular car, there fore
more parts and for les money to!
But I don’t think the Supra stock motor,
is as strong as our V6 block!
>From: "Kyle Call" <
redcelicagt@cableone.net>
>To:
"Team3s" <
team3s@team3s.com>
>Subject:
Team3S: Reaction to Mods
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:41:39
-0600
>
>Hey all,
>I dont want to stir up any commotion. .
.but, I've been following both
>Supra and 3S lists and what not very
closely lately. I've noticed that
>Supras respond to modification "better"
(or with more HP) than 3S's. Why is
>this? I've noticed that 500HP VR-4's
are rare, yet, in a Supra 500HP is
>attained rather easily. In fact, Mark
Tozer at
www.suprastore.com has a
460
>BPU kit for $1400 (and a 1200 HP kit for $33K :-). Is it the
Supra's I6
>while we have a V? I'm just a little bewildered with this. Its
always made
>me wonder. I hope this wasnt a stupid question, as I am not
Car-Smart by
>any
>means.
>
>Thanks in
advance
>Kyle Call
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:01:42
-0500
From: "Morice, Francis" <
francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
I would have to disagree with that.
Most of those guys pushing 500+ hp in
the Supra's are running with stock
internals. If I was going to push 500+hp
on my car, the first thing I
would do would be to beef the internals.
Just my
.02......
Francis
'96
RT/TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Marc Gauthier
[mailto:gogauthier@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:58 AM
To:
redcelicagt@cableone.net;
team3s@team3s.comSubject: Re: Team3S:
Reaction to Mods
>>But I don't think the Supra stock motor, is
as strong as our V6 block!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:13:04
+0000
From: "Marc Gauthier" <
gogauthier@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Borla exhaust
The cat-back for a VR4 will also bolt up to
your system, if you have the
dual side exhaust!
For les then $1000, you
can get a custom cat-back in stainless steel! Check
this site
(
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=2f9f6495bae079a122371c343ce8050a&threadid=52180&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
) the SS cat-back is like $500 with N1’s look a like!
- ----92 TT
with 150km----
>From:
M3000GTSL84@aol.com>To:
team3s@team3s.com>Subject: Team3S:
Borla exhaust
>Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:53:31 EDT
>
>The
sound on my 97 SL is nice. . but i of course want more power and a
more
>aggresive sound. It looks like my only option is the borla catback
exhaust.
>Does any1 have this and recommend it? FOr almost 1000 dollars,
is it worth
>it
>or should i just wit till my stock exhaust system
dies?
>
>thanx
>-mike
>97 SL
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:58:11
-0700 (PDT)
From: Casey Rayman <
theturbodog@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
It is in part because the Supra starts out
with more adequate parts
than the 3000. Supras come stock with 550
injectors, big
intercooler, ~15g sized turbos, big fuel pump, more agressive
cams,
and a few other little things. It is a ~500hp car detuned to
320,
where the 3000 is more like a ~375hp car detuned to 300 or 320.
The
other reason Supras seem to take well to mods HP wise is that
mods
actually exist. Realistically speaking(money wise) there are
no
Single turbo kits, no front mounts, no cams, etc available for
the
3000, but you have several of each for the Supra. The cost curve
for
a 3000 goes almost vertical somewhere in the 450hp
range.
Casey
- --- Kyle Call <
redcelicagt@cableone.net>
wrote:
> Hey all,
> I dont want to stir up any commotion. .
.but, I've been following
> both
> Supra and 3S lists and what
not very closely lately. I've noticed
> that
> Supras respond to
modification "better" (or with more HP) than
> 3S's. Why is
> this?
I've noticed that 500HP VR-4's are rare, yet, in a Supra
> 500HP
is
> attained rather easily. In fact, Mark Tozer at
www.suprastore.com> has a
460
> BPU kit for $1400 (and a 1200 HP kit for $33K :-). Is it
the
> Supra's I6
> while we have a V? I'm just a little bewildered
with this. Its
> always made
> me wonder. I hope this wasnt a stupid
question, as I am not
> Car-Smart by any
> means.
>
>
Thanks in advance
> Kyle Call
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:35:08
-0600
From: "Donald Ashby III" <
dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Supras respond to mods like crack, if you
put in $500 and you have less then
450hp you have done something horribly
wrong in a supra. Whereas if you put
in $500 into a 3000gt you just bought
yourself a cool set of sparkplugs!
wooo
I still wish I had a Supra instead
of VR-4, although I do like 4wd, RWD is
much better IMO
Donald
Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4
Member #4909
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Casey Rayman" <
theturbodog@yahoo.com>
To: <
team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June
18, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
> It is in
part because the Supra starts out with more adequate parts
> than the
3000. Supras come stock with 550 injectors, big
> intercooler, ~15g
sized turbos, big fuel pump, more agressive cams,
> and a few other little
things. It is a ~500hp car detuned to 320,
> where the 3000 is more
like a ~375hp car detuned to 300 or 320. The
> other reason Supras
seem to take well to mods HP wise is that mods
> actually exist.
Realistically speaking(money wise) there are no
> Single turbo kits, no
front mounts, no cams, etc available for the
> 3000, but you have several
of each for the Supra. The cost curve for
> a 3000 goes almost
vertical somewhere in the 450hp range.
>
> Casey
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:39:26
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Better for what? Finding the slow way
around traffic?
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Donald Ashby III wrote:
>
Supras respond to mods like crack, if you put in $500 and you have less
then
> 450hp you have done something horribly wrong in a supra. Whereas if
you put
> in $500 into a 3000gt you just bought yourself a cool set of
sparkplugs!
> wooo
> I still wish I had a Supra instead of VR-4,
although I do like 4wd, RWD is
> much better IMO
> Donald
Ashby
> '93 3000GT VR-4
> Member #4909
- ---
Geoff
Mohler
Lots of cars..and race them all. Dont you?
Got
Brakes? I've got savings!
Porterfield parts catalog online now at
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:34:26
-0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
apedenko@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Team3S: 60k - big trouble, need help asap
Alright, so I finally set the
tension right, everything is perfect, so I
do one last test. I turn the
crankshaft so that the timing marks on the
sprockets line up with the timing
marks on the rocker cover. Everything
is golden, except one sprocket doesn't
line up. Not only that, but it's
also off by 5 teeth! So my understanding is
that I have to take the belt
off, fix the sprocket by hand and put it back
on? How did this happen?
Thanks,
Alex.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:39:31
-0600
From: "Donald Ashby III" <
dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Much less of a drive train loss, shorter
drive shaft, less rotational
mass... etc
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT
VR-4
Member #4909
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler"
<
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To:
"Donald Ashby III" <
dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Cc:
"team3s" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Reaction to
Mods
> Better for what? Finding the slow way around
traffic?
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Donald Ashby III
wrote:
>
> > Supras respond to mods like crack, if you put in
$500 and you have less
then
> > 450hp you have done something
horribly wrong in a supra. Whereas if you
put
> > in $500 into a
3000gt you just bought yourself a cool set of sparkplugs!
> >
wooo
> > I still wish I had a Supra instead of VR-4, although I do like
4wd, RWD
is
> > much better IMO
> > Donald Ashby
>
> '93 3000GT VR-4
> > Member #4909
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:41:04
-0500
From: "
merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
I've been passed by Vipers, Z06s, and Cobra
Rs, but NOBODY ever blew me off like a Supra at Road America. He came up on me
like a freight train and went by like I was standing still. I was doing 125
going up the hill on the front straight at the time.
Wooooosssshhhhh!!
Rich/slow old poop
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:29:08
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
The problem with our cars is the engine
control system (the stock ECU) Does
not have the ability to pull enough
timing fast/aggressively enough
especially when running larger injectors +
turbos..... This flaw is then
compounded by cast pistons that are more
susceptible to breakage due to
large amounts of
knock.......
Truthfully our stock internals are good to 550 HP
(crank) or so if we can
keep the knock count peaks below 13 and a
constant of below 5 (for those of
us with datalogging
capabilities)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morice,
Francis [SMTP:francis.morice@retek.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002
9:02 AM
> To: 'Marc Gauthier'; Team3S (E-mail)
> Subject: RE:
Team3S: Reaction to Mods
>
> I would have to disagree with
that. Most of those guys pushing 500+ hp in
> the Supra's are
running with stock internals. If I was going to push
>
500+hp
> on my car, the first thing I would do would be to beef the
internals.
>
> Just my .02......
>
> Francis
> '96
RT/TT
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:31
-0600
From: "Kyle Call" <
redcelicagt@cableone.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Reaction to Mods brings up another question
> One thing you do
have to consider is how much Supras sell for.... The
> difference in
price between a VR4 and a Supra will easily net you all
> those above
mentioned mods, and still have less money out of pocket than
> buying a
Supra...
>
> -Cody
All of your responses bring up a few more
questions. The prices for these
two vehicles new were fairly
comparable.
http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ-3Sprices.htm
said that a 1997 VR-4 ran for
$44,500, and MKIV.com said a 1997 Supra TT ran
for $39,900. (however, in
most years, Supras TT's cost more than
VR-4's) Today, that same Supra costs
$26,735, and that same VR-4 costs
$23,435 (according to
www.KBB.com) Why
are
Supras more expensive today than 3000GT's? Is it because of how many
were
produced? There were 11,239 Supras made during 1993-1998 in
America,
according to
www.MKIV.com
.
The above information and the information provided in your replies
directs
me to believe that if I bought a new VR-4 in 1997 for $44,500 (which
is now
worth $23,435), and my neighbor bought a new Supra TT in 1997 for
$39,900
(now worth $26,735), then, according to my limited math skills, the
day my
neighbor bought a 1997 Srupa TT, he could have spent $4,600 in
mods, and
that would have equaled my origional investment in my VR-4. Today,
my
neighbors Supra costs $3,300 more than my VR4. And say that today, he
bought
another $3,300 in mods.... Now, after ~5 years, he has spent $7,900 in
mods
just to equal my origional investment on a 1997 VR4.If this neighbor of
mine
would have spent that entire $7,900 plus another $1,000 on Mark Tozer's
575R
kit, he would have 575 HP.
I know that this is a bunch of
hypothetical stuff depending on many factors,
but this is my take on the
price question reguarding the fact that you have
to take into account total
car price when you modify your car.
Thanks in advance,
Kyle Call
93
SL
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:14:29
-0700 (PDT)
From: Casey Rayman <
theturbodog@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 60k - big trouble, need help asap
You have to turn the
crankshaft 5 or 6 revolutions(if memory serves)
before *all* the timing marks
line up again.
Casey
- --- Alex Pedenko <
apedenko@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Alright, so I finally set the tension right, everything is
perfect,
> so I
> do one last test. I turn the crankshaft so that
the timing marks on
> the
> sprockets line up with the timing marks
on the rocker cover.
> Everything
> is golden, except one sprocket
doesn't line up. Not only that, but
> it's
> also off by 5 teeth! So
my understanding is that I have to take the
> belt
> off, fix the
sprocket by hand and put it back on? How did this
> happen?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:20:58
-0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Reaction to Mods brings up another question
Cody makes a good
point. If buying a car today, the VR-4 is MUCH less
expensive.
You can completely ignore all the book prices (Kelley, Edmund's,
NADA), as
they have not yet caught up with what Supras are actually selling
for.
Supras have always sold for over book, but since "The Fast and the
Furious"
(or "Wildo Speedo", as it was called in Japan) came out prices have
gone even
higher. Mark IV Supras (93+) now seem to go for 5k-10k over the
book
price, and often much more than that.
- - Brian
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Kyle Call [mailto:redcelicagt@cableone.net]
Sent:
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:43 AM
To: Team3s
Subject: Team3S: Reaction to
Mods brings up another question
> One thing you do have to consider is
how much Supras sell for.... The
> difference in price between a VR4
and a Supra will easily net you all
> those above mentioned mods, and
still have less money out of pocket than
> buying a
Supra...
>
> -Cody
All of your responses bring up a few more
questions. The prices for these
two vehicles new were fairly
comparable.
http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ-3Sprices.htm
said that a 1997 VR-4 ran for
$44,500, and MKIV.com said a 1997 Supra TT ran
for $39,900. (however, in
most years, Supras TT's cost more than
VR-4's) Today, that same Supra costs
$26,735, and that same VR-4 costs
$23,435 (according to
www.KBB.com) Why
are
Supras more expensive today than 3000GT's? Is it because of how many
were
produced? There were 11,239 Supras made during 1993-1998 in
America,
according to
www.MKIV.com
.
The above information and the information provided in your replies
directs
me to believe that if I bought a new VR-4 in 1997 for $44,500 (which
is now
worth $23,435), and my neighbor bought a new Supra TT in 1997 for
$39,900
(now worth $26,735), then, according to my limited math skills, the
day my
neighbor bought a 1997 Srupa TT, he could have spent $4,600 in
mods, and
that would have equaled my origional investment in my VR-4. Today,
my
neighbors Supra costs $3,300 more than my VR4. And say that today, he
bought
another $3,300 in mods.... Now, after ~5 years, he has spent $7,900 in
mods
just to equal my origional investment on a 1997 VR4.If this neighbor of
mine
would have spent that entire $7,900 plus another $1,000 on Mark Tozer's
575R
kit, he would have 575 HP.
I know that this is a bunch of
hypothetical stuff depending on many factors,
but this is my take on the
price question reguarding the fact that you have
to take into account total
car price when you modify your car.
Thanks in advance,
Kyle Call
93
SL
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:28:47
-0700
From: Damon Rachell <
damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
RE: AWD Dyno List
Milford
CT
AWD Dyno Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD
AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere Motorsports)
Redmond WA
AWD Mustang DyneC (Dyno Authority)
Louisville, KY
AWD Mustang Dyno (AutoMotion)
Woodstock, GA
DynaPack AWD (Knowledge Performance)
Rockwall, TX
AWD Mustang Dyno (Cobb Tuning)
North Riverside, IL
(Chicago)AWD Mustang Dyno (Dyna Tech)
Rancho Cucamonga,
CA AWD Dynojet (GT
Motorsports)
Should we start with phone numbers for these too?
GT
Motorsports: 909-989-2278
Damon
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:22:26
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Truthfully having owned both cars I can say
this, anywhere that gets lots of
rain and or snow our cars are much better
suited for those environments...
If you live down south or SoCal/Nevada then
the MKIV is perfect for those
regions......
Russ F
CT
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Ashby III
[SMTP:dashbyiii@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:40
PM
> To: team3s
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
>
> Much less of a drive train loss, shorter drive shaft, less
rotational
> mass... etc
> Donald Ashby
> '93 3000GT
VR-4
> Member #4909
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
"Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
To: "Donald Ashby III" <
dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
>
Cc: "team3s" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Reaction to
Mods
>
>
> > Better for what? Finding the slow way
around traffic?
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Donald Ashby III
wrote:
> >
> > > Supras respond to mods like crack, if you
put in $500 and you have
> less
> then
> > > 450hp you
have done something horribly wrong in a supra. Whereas if
> you
>
put
> > > in $500 into a 3000gt you just bought yourself a cool set
of
> sparkplugs!
> > > wooo
> > > I still wish I
had a Supra instead of VR-4, although I do like 4wd,
> RWD
>
is
> > > much better IMO
> > > Donald Ashby
> >
> '93 3000GT VR-4
> > > Member #4909
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:29:36
-0500
From: "
merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Although the Supra blew my doors off on the
straightaway at Road America, I waxed him through the twisty bits. Perhaps our
cars have superior handling and an advantage thanks to the AWD. You owned
both...what do you think?
Rich/slow old poop
At 02:22 PM 6/18/02
-0400, you wrote:
>Truthfully having owned both cars I can say this,
anywhere that gets lots of
>rain and or snow our cars are much better
suited for those environments...
>If you live down south or SoCal/Nevada
then the MKIV is perfect for those
>regions......
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:46:31
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: WAS reaction to mods NOW mkiv VS 3S
I think in anything other
than dry a 500HP supra is a handful for most
drivers period.... There
probably a few pple on the list that could
maintain self discipline, I was
someone who could not.
A prime example of this was coming
home one afternoon from my buddies place
in Boston, it started to rain so I
slowed down but got a little to
aggressive going into a corner. AT the time I
was BPU with an MBC set at 17
psi (BFG KDW's all 4 corners 255F 275R) rolled
onto the throttle (wasn't
doing more than 35-40) and the rears just went up
backend came round and I
smacked the nose into a curb. Only damaged the
front bumper cover (was damn
lucky) and scared the s*** out of my
self.
This same corner while raining has posed no problems at 55 in my
VR-4 (245
KDW's at all four corners)
With a few suspension tweaks the
supra could hang in the dry on the twisties
but as soon as the weather
changes 500HP is only useful if you can get it to
the ground.
Hey
Geoff how is the RX-7 in the rain?
Russ F
CT
>
-----Original Message-----
> From:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
[SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:30
PM
> To: Furman, Russell; 'Donald Ashby III'; team3s
> Subject: RE:
Team3S: Reaction to Mods
>
> Although the Supra blew my doors off
on the straightaway at Road America,
> I waxed him through the twisty
bits. Perhaps our cars have superior
> handling and an advantage thanks to
the AWD. You owned both...what do you
> think?
>
> Rich/slow
old poop
>
> At 02:22 PM 6/18/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Truthfully having owned both cars I can say this, anywhere that gets
lots
> of
> >rain and or snow our cars are much better suited for
those
> environments...
> >If you live down south or SoCal/Nevada
then the MKIV is perfect for those
> >regions......
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:04:29
-0700 (PDT)
From: glenn amy <
glenn_amy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 60k - big trouble, need help asap
No, the crank rotates twice as
fast as the cams.
There is a 1:2 relationship between the number of
teeth
on the crank and the number of teeth on the cam
gear.
So,the cams line
up for every 2 rotations of the
crank.
If 3 cams are on the mark, and
the 4th isn't. then the
4th cam is on the wrong tooth on the timing
belt.
Glenn
'93 vr-4, timing belt installed last Sat.
- ---
Casey Rayman <
theturbodog@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
You have to turn the crankshaft 5 or 6
> revolutions(if memory
serves)
> before *all* the timing marks line up again.
>
>
Casey
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:09:56
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: WAS reaction to mods NOW mkiv VS 3S
what is the difference in
curb weight between the VR4 and the Supra? I
drove a stock Supra at
Thunderhill and it was -very- light.
Chuck Willis
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:10:56
-0600
From: "Kyle Call" <
redcelicagt@cableone.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Reaction to Mods brings up another question
I dont believe a
"really bad movie" could cause a total of a $3,300 price
difference in
2 years (which is when Fast & Furious came out) , or a $7,900
price
difference in five years. I dont believe it could be popularity
ALONE,
because of origional production numbers with roughly 11,200 Supras
made
from
1993 to 1998. According to
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9907/3s-production.html
who got
their numbers from Chrysler, 3000GT production numbers exceeded the
supras
total production numbers in 1992 alone (not to mention 1993, 1994, and
1995)
the total production numbers for 3S cars was (3000GT )79,536 and
(stealth)
63,296, totaling 142,832....there were 13 times more 3S cars made
than
Supras. I dont believe the price difference could be entirely based
on
popularity because of this fact.
Car Prices, like all prices, is
governed by supply and demand. Think of the
following at a mathematical
standpoint. 3000GTs and Supra TT's are the same
type of car. They will
probably be disappearing from the market at the
same pace due to
wrecks, mechanical failure, etc. With 142,000 3S's compared
to 11,200 Supras,
and both disappearing at equal rates, the supply does not
stay proportional,
raising the price of the Supra.
I hope this all made sense
Kyle
Call
93 SL
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:14:10
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: WAS reaction to mods NOW mkiv VS 3S
IIRC the hard tops were
310lbs less than my 93 and the targas were 265
(approx)
But the
weight also seems to be lower and the split front to rear is
slightly better
IIRC compared to our cars.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Willis, Charles E. [SMTP:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent:
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:10 PM
> To: Furman, Russell;
'merritt@cedar-rapids.net'; 'Donald
Ashby III';
> team3s
> Subject: RE: Team3S: WAS reaction to mods NOW
mkiv VS 3S
>
> what is the difference in curb weight between the
VR4 and the Supra? I
> drove a stock Supra at Thunderhill and it was
-very- light.
>
> Chuck Willis
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:48:39
-0400
From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Stereo questions
Looks like I have 6 speakers to go with the
fancy preadjusted head unit in
the dash (i.e. graphic display and all kinds
of fancy presets but not much
manual override)
A pair of (non-working
I think) tweeters (3"?) in the top of the dash itself
on the outside of the
airvents, plus 2 in the doors, plus 2 rear facing big
15W Mitsu ovals behind
the rear seats .
Is this a stock setup? Not sure what the stock deal is
with the rear facing
speakers. Also, is there a rear bar on the stock cars
between the towers to
support the rear seat backs? Or is this custom
convertible stuff?
If I take a double din head unit from a 94 with the
manual tone controls,
will it be a straight swap for my 92 SL with
graphics?
Finally, what's the small circular gizmo in the end of the
airvent on the
passengers side. I thought it was a tiny tweeter but there is
no driver's
side equivalent. Something to do with an anti-theft?
Sorry
for the basic questions but no idea what is stock and what's not.
Any
other owners down in SE Florida who want to meet for lunch and iron all
these
problems out for me!?!?!
Cheers
Andre
92 3000GT SL
convertible.
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of
M3000GTSL84@aol.comSent: Saturday,
June 01, 2002 1:24 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Stereo questions
On model years 97 and up, the 3000GT SL and
VR-4 came with a 210 watt
infinity head unit and amp, with 8 speakers. The
speakers are not kappas, or
any other type of infinity. they are simply paper
cones and tweeters with
the
infinity name with power ratings of no more
then 12 watts for the dash, 60
for the door, and i believe 100 for the 6x9s.
the sound balancer is digital
on these
On your 92 SL, the head unit is
100 watts with 6 speakers, and a manual
sound
balancer. I believe your
first order should be to upgrade all the speakers,
as they blow out right
away. After that you should think about upgrading the
head unit and amp. The
speakers i chose were infinity kappas, And the sound
is excellent. Any
aftermarket speaker with anything besides a paper cone is
far better then
stock.
- -mike
97 SL
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:48:37
-0400
From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
Team3S: ECS and TPS and Datalogging
Three questions for my 92
SL:
1) ECS. Is this dynamic I.e. can it be adjusted on the move? I've
tried both
positions of the button, and either see nothing appear in the dash
display,
or watch it flick back and forward between the two modes.
2)
TPS. Have an intermittent problem whereby the autobox won't change up
unless
I release the throttle for a fraction. Also, check engine light comes
on when
this is happening as I come to a stop. Took the car to a dealer for
a missed
recall and they suggested the TPS needed replacing and quoted $140
or so, but
it wasn't 100% as of course it didn't happen that day. Comments?
3)
Datalogging. Is there a good write up anywhere on how to do this i.e.
what
software, cables, diagnoses etc? I have the
laptop....;o)
Thx
Andre
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:53:08
-0700
From: Rick Pierce <
piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Slightly OT: 3Si West Coast Gathering
Hi Everyone,
I hope
this isn't out of line, but some of the guys on 3Si asked me to let
you know
about a West Coast Gathering July 26th (Friday) through the 27th
(Sunday) and
extend an invitation to Team3S. Plans have not been totally
finalized
and are still undergoing some discussion and planning.
Most
people from the Bay area that are going will be caravanning down
Friday
morning (and some will do their own thing). The general plans
that I know
about are: Saturday - drag racing @ Fontana Raceway
(starting @ 8:30am
IIRC) and a cruise/BBQ Sunday (there were talks about a
Dyno Day - but I
think that is proving tough to set-up). So if you were
thinking about
taking a weekend vacation you might want to check this
out. Looks like a
lot of Los Angeles and San Diego people are going and
I know there's 10+ Bay
Area/Sacramento/Sierra Cars going.
Original
Discussion Thread on the West Coat Gathering:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=73087Planning
Thread:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83779Current
Thread on Hotel Rooms @ $54/night:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84594A
friend of mine is having her birthday later on the following week, so I
will
be driving her down in my VR-4 and spending a little more time
down
there.
If you are interested I suggest you monitor 3Si or you can
feel free to send
me a personal e-mail and as plans firm up I will let you
know.
Best, Rick
PS I wanted Road Racing - but was in the minority on that
board.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:01:45
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From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
RE: Team3S: Stereo questions
That gizmo must be a sensor for the auto
climate control.
On my '95 I have two tweeters on top of the dash, two
speakers in the
doors, two in the rear seats/wheel wells facing
forward.
Philip
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Finally, what's the small
circular gizmo in the end of the airvent on the
passengers side. I thought it
was a tiny tweeter but there is no driver's
side equivalent. Something to do
with an anti-theft?
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:04:51
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From: "Rivenburg, Pete" <
privenburg@firstam.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Stereo questions
I think the little thing at the far right of
the dash vents is a
photo-electric eye. Thats what it looks like and it's in
the right place for
it, in the light pointing up. just my opniion, I could be
wrong!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:08:49
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From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Stereo questions
Oh, on TOP of the dashboard! If figures out
if the windshield is fogged so
it can turn on the front defroster/defogger
vents automatically.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Rivenburg, Pete [SMTP:privenburg@firstam.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18,
2002 3:05 PM
> To:
team3s@team3s.com> Subject: RE:
Team3S: Stereo questions
>
> I think the little thing at the far
right of the dash vents is a
> photo-electric eye. Thats what it looks
like and it's in the right place
> for
> it, in the light pointing
up. just my opniion, I could be wrong!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:16:21
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From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Stereo questions
> Finally, what's the small circular gizmo in
the end of the
> airvent on the passengers side. I thought it was a
tiny
> tweeter but there is no driver's side equivalent. Something
>
to do with an anti-theft?
AFAIK (I think I remember reading this in the
manual) that little gizmo is a
photo sensor that detects if it is "sunny" out
and directs a little more
cold air to the upper vents when the auto climate
control is engaged.
I've never had my defogger/defroster come on
automatically, but I suppose
it's possible it affects that as well.
-
--Erik
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:21:24
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From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Reaction to Mods
Going up to 6,500 feet on mountain roads here in
Colorado I prefer
the VR-4.
Especially when it is snowing.
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Furman, Russell
[mailto:RFurman2@MassMutual.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:22 PM
To:
'Donald Ashby III'; team3s
Subject: RE: Team3S: Reaction to
Mods
Truthfully having owned both cars I can say this, anywhere that gets
lots of
rain and or snow our cars are much better suited for those
environments...
If you live down south or SoCal/Nevada then the MKIV is
perfect for those
regions......
Russ F
CT
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:29:02
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From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: Stereo questions
> AFAIK (I think I remember reading this in
the manual)
> that little gizmo is a photo sensor that detects if
>
it is "sunny" out and directs a little more cold air
> to the upper vents
when the auto climate control is
> engaged.
Yup, that's exactly
what the photosensor does...
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:33:19
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From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: ECS and TPS and Datalogging
"Autobox won't change up!" Geez,
where do they speak like that?
If you have a voltmeter, find the wires
that go from the throttle position
sensor. One of them (I think brown-red)
will show about 0.5 V at idle and
5V at WOT. Connect the voltmeter to it and
watch it as you press on gas.
The voltage should change smoothly when you
press on gas. Drive around and
watch it if necessary.
Philip
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Three questions for my 92
SL:
2) TPS. Have an intermittent problem whereby the autobox won't change
up
unless I release the throttle for a fraction. Also, check engine
light
comes
on when this is happening as I come to a stop. Took the car to
a dealer
for
a missed recall and they suggested the TPS needed replacing
and quoted
$140
or so, but it wasn't 100% as of course it didn't happen
that day.
Comments?
3) Datalogging. Is there a good write up anywhere
on how to do this i.e.
what software, cables, diagnoses etc? I have the
laptop....;o)
Thx
Andre
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:39:56
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From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Stereo questions
Oh, in the rear "side panels"? Nearly missed
that....
So, I went and had a closer look and discovered the two rear
quarter panels
are in two pieces, and the top piece looks like it is
different material,
presumably replaced to allow housing of the power top.
Hence the rear-facing
speakers in a sheet of MDF or similar that is under the
chassis brace (or
whatever) behind the rear seats.
The brace is welded
onto the strut towers and doesn't look like part of a
luggage compartment
cover at all.
Cool, more convertible only stuff (i.e.
confusion)
r.e. the head unit, it's in the 92 manual so is definitely
stock. Main
question is a quick swap for something better without having to
rewire
everything i.e. later model CD or changer package, as no time right
now, and
unsure how long I will keep the car. And speakers as at least 3
are
blown....
Thanks for the help guys.
Andre
92 3000GT SL
convertible.
- -----Original Message-----
From:
M3000GTSL84@aol.com
[mailto:M3000GTSL84@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:02 PM
To:
cerri@intersystems.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: Stereo questions
Andre-
Ok here is the deal. 6 speakers-2
dash, 2 door, and 2 woofers in the back
panals facing at you-this is a
normal, stock setup.
The rear bar you speak of is either a strut tower
brace, a cargo cover, or a
chasis strengthening bar for your convertable.
Probably is a chasis bar. in
a
stock SL there is no bar there.
Your
head unit. .uhhhh not sure where your comin from there-if u can get
me
more info on it-however i know that all model year 3000GTs have a big
hole
in
the center dash for a head unit, so your 92 can take my 97 head
unit without
any cutting. My 97 head unit is better and more powerful then
the 94 u speak
of.
Stock speakers suck-paper cones will blow out right
away.
- -mike
97 SL
K&N FIPK
DN intake pipe
Infinity
kappa 3 1/2, 6/12
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:44:50
-0400
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: ECS and TPS and Datalogging
Oh, and let me save Jeff a
moment. Go to
http://www.stealth316.com
for
datalogging resources, tips and links.
Philip
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3) Datalogging. Is there a
good write up anywhere on how to do this i.e.
what software, cables,
diagnoses etc? I have the laptop....;o)
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:47:02
-0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject:
Team3S: AWD Dyno List - Add LA
Milford
CT
AWD Dyno Jet (Pruven Performance)
Auburn
MA
LowBoy AWD (Adrenalin Motorsport)
Gaithersburg
MD
AWD Dyno Jet (AlteredAtmosphere Motorsports)
Redmond WA
AWD Mustang DyneC (Dyno Authority)
Louisville, KY
AWD Mustang Dyno (AutoMotion)
Woodstock, GA
DynaPack AWD (Knowledge Performance)
Rockwall, TX
AWD Mustang Dyno (Cobb Tuning)
North Riverside, IL
(Chicago)AWD Mustang Dyno (Dyna Tech)
Rancho Cucamonga,
CA AWD Dynojet (GT
Motorsports)
Los Angeles, CA Dyno Dynamics AWD - Brainstorm
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:30:53
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From: "Zach Sauerman" <
axemaddock@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: 60k and cam sprockets
Anyone playing with the front sprockets
should take advantage of the
threaded holes right there and use a bolt and
washer to hold the cam
sprocket still. The bolt I used came from somewhere
in the engine
compartment- don't remember what, but something removed in the
process fit
right in there. Just a *light* clamping force keeps everything
lined up and
prevents injury.
Guy who doesn't like the Incredible
Jumping Sprocket,
Zach Sauerman
'94 Pearl Yellow TT
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:38:42
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From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Manuals
Are the CDs sold on Ebay worth the money? If not, what
are the best
alternatives? Are the Haynes/Chiltons the usual junk? Factory
manuals?
Thx
Andre
92 3000GT SL convertible
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:56:01
+0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: Manuals
> Are the CDs sold on Ebay worth the money? If
not,
> what are the best alternatives? Are the
> Haynes/Chiltons the
usual junk? Factory manuals?
Factory manuals are the best (IMHO).
You can get them
on CD also (but technically you need to own the paper
copies to be legal to use the CD).
http://www.manualcd.com- -Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:56:47
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From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Awesome New A-Pillars That Hold Three 52mm and 60mm Gauges
Got
mine (3x60mm) this past weekend. It's not painted yet, so that's
why
it's still light gray, but after next Monday, it'll exactly match
my
interior (charcoal).
They're made by Adam on 3Si (omnip_1),
so for those of you who haven't seen
the prototypes on 3Si, you can seem my
production version at:
http://www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/Pillar/page1.htmlHe
currently has molds to make 3x52mm and 3x60mm pillars and will make
2x60mm
and 2x52mm pillars if there are enough people interested to justify
making
the mold. Also note that this is a FULL pillar replacement, not
a
partial pillar; and it's made of fiberglass.
Woohoo!
-
--Erik
'95 VR-4 with gauges finally mounted how I like
them!
P.S. Rumor has it that he's working on a 3-pod cluster to
mount above the
stock 3-gauge cluster above the HVAC controls. If
you're interested in
this, let him know so that he is properly motivated to
make these things!
:-)
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:04:43
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From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Broken piston/Ceramic Coating Pics
Are you sure that the
heating is caused by heating during assembly and
not heating caused by poor
oiling of the wrist pin. The Venoila pistons I
have on order have an oil hole
drilled to facilitate oiling of the pin. For
race applications they drill
the rod to provide pressurized oiling of the
pin.
Jim
Berry
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- ----- Original Message
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From: "Rich Fowler" <
richfowler2@cox.net>
> See
the links below for pictures of the broken Ross piston (wrist pin),
>
ceramic coated pistons, and block after about 12K miles. I was
surprised
> how much carbon buildup was on the pistons and heads,
especially with the
> methanol/water injection. You can see the rod
was heated and the pin
> pressed through the rod. According to the
pro engine builders, this is the
> easier assembly method, but not as good
as floating the rod on the wrist pin
> and using retainers.
>
> [approx. 80-90K each]
>
>
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