Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Thursday, June 6 2002    Volume 01 : Number 862




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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:54:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn amy <glenn_amy@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire Pressure Question

One day wife thought one of her tires on the Grand Am
looked low (205/55/16's).  I was laid up with back
problem so she calls AAA tow truck.  They fill and she
is on her way.  Week later I check the pressure -
65LBS!

3kgt content -> Check your pressure anytime someone
fiddles with it.

Glenn
- --- cody <overclck@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Many tires are rated at 35 psi max.  The pressure
> has more to do with
> the load carried than anything else.  For instance,
> if a tire carries
> 2000 lbs at 44 psi, it will only support XXXX lbs at
> 30 psi.  I do not
> know the calculations for any of that though...
> There's not much risk
> in overinflating tires...  If there was, about 1/4
> of DT's customers
> would have blow outs... We check the air in every
> single car that comes
> in...  2/3's are low, a small percent are perfect,
> and 1/4 are too
> high....  Hell, we had ain Integra the other day
> with 80 psi in all 4
> tires....  he said the last time he put air in them
> was over a month
> ago...  Regardless, max tire pressure has more to do
> with load rating
> than anything else...
>
> -Cody
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com
> [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Winkley
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:57 AM
> To: Jerry B.; Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire Pressure Question
>
> Jerry...
>
> As I just wrote in a previous post, I run 42 on the
> front, 39 on the
> rear and have been doing so ever since steel belted
> radials were
> developed. Perhaps there was some risk of "blowing
> up" a tire back in
> the pre-70s when all tires were bias ply tires, but
> I doubt most
> listmembers even remember those days. The sidewall
> rating on every
> performance tire I've bought in the last 20 years
> has a max pressure of
> at least 44 psi. What tires do you sell that have a
> 35 psi rating???
> Hard rubber (300+ treadwear rating) used by little
> old ladies for their
> Lincolns or for "green" drivers who want maximum
> economy? Why would the
> manufacturer list a maximum pressure that would
> endanger the life of the
> tire and/or driver???
>
> Looking forward...Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry B. [mailto:scorpman@optonline.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:46 PM
> To: Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire Pressure Question
>
> You should really look to see that the max tire
> pressure on the tires
> are,,
> i work for a tire shop and if you go 40 and the
> tires are rated for 35
> max,,
> you are going to blow them up,, also there is no
> reason to run more hen
> 32-35 psi in your tires on our cars.. you will loose
> traction and
> handleing
> not to mention woof the tires..
>
> Jerry 93 Stealth RT?TT & 92 Stealth E/S

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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:55:12 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Info needed on proper offset

35-40 mm offset is recommended, closer to 35 I would say...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of MaxNix@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:38 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Info needed on proper offset

I'm interested in buying 18x9 SSR GT1 wheels with 265/35 pole postion
S0-3
tires for a '92 RT/TT. The car has stock brakes, but i'm going to be
ugrading
in the future. Should I reduce the offset or stay with stock offset ?

TIA
Paul

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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire Pressure Question

Just..be careful the first time out.

They'll suck really bad until they are scuffed up.

On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Stephen H. Simonds wrote:

> When I got the car 1 year ago it has 10,000 miles and the original
> Goodyear tires - about a 300+ rating plus 8 years old and hard as a
> rock.  I spent last summer sliding around the autocross courses.
>
> This winter I purchased the Kumho 712's and it's like being on a race
> tire.  They are about a 220 wear rating I believe and soft - and over
> half gon already from this years racing.
>
> I have a new set of Kumho Vectoracer's and a second set of rims to try
> now.  I can wait to see how well these stick to the track.
>
>
> Geoff Mohler wrote:
> >
> > The 712?  How is that considered a race tire?
> >
> > Race tires are considered to be under a treadwear rating of 60.
> > (technically)
> >
> >
> > > I autocross with the front tires at 38 - 40 and the rears at 34 - 35
> > > psi.  I am running Kumho Supra 712 street/race tire - 245/45R17.  I have
> > > very little sidewall rollover on the fronts and absoutely none on the
> > > rear - all the forces are on the front tires.
> > >
>
>
> Steve - '94 Stealth TT

- ---
Geoff Mohler
Lots of cars..and race them all.  Dont you?
Got Brakes?   I've got savings!
Porterfield parts catalog online now at http://www.speedtoys.com
- ---

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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:18:43 -0500
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:  Info needed on proper offset

I bought SSR GT1 in 18x9 from Tire Rack, with 265-35-18" Kumho Ecsta V700
tires.  They have 38mm offset, and fit.  My car is lowered fairly much but
not slammed, via Ground Control springs.  The tires almost rub the Ground
Control lower spring collar, and if I went any lower might rub.  I would get
35mm if I could(a touch further outward) if I had it to do over again.
Still, these work, work fine, and I could always grind a couple mm off the
collars, or use a thin wheel spacer.
Jack T.

From: <MaxNix@aol.com>
> I'm interested in buying 18x9 SSR GT1 wheels with 265/35 pole postion S0-3
> tires for '92 RT/TT; stock brakes, but I'm going to be ugrading.
> Should I reduce offset or stay stock?
> Paul

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:38:16 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

At 19:15 6/5/2002, Geddes, Brian J wrote:
>Come on guys, I was hoping for a LITTLE more response than this!  :)  I
>thought it was a pretty interesting problem...I'll add a few more details in
>the hope of cultivating some interest.

It IS interesting. You described the symptoms well enough. I believe you,
but the symptoms do not make sense. The problems twists the mind and the
mind stays twisted. That prevents everyone from replying. Besides, you
suggested the seemingly only possible culprit - the fuel pressure problem.

>I suspected that my fuel pressure regulator solenoid might be causing the
>problem, perhaps closing during boost and preventing the FPR from seeing the
>boost pressure.  To test the theory, I bypassed the FPR solenoid and ran the
>vacuum lines straight from the plenum to the FPR.  No dice - the symptoms
>are still the same.

Can you tap a tire pressure gauge into the fuel line? Run a long line to
the top of the hood, attach a gauge to it, and drive like that. See what it
is reading. I would use a $2-dollar non-peak-hold gauge from WalMart.

Attach the gauge and the fuel line really well. You should see something
around 58 psi at 15 psi of boost.

Check out your intake for leaks. A leak between the MAS and the turbos
would also cause your car to run lean.

Philip

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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 22:15:34 -0600
From: "Stephen H. Simonds" <simonds@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire Pressure Question

When I got the car 1 year ago it has 10,000 miles and the original
Goodyear tires - about a 300+ rating plus 8 years old and hard as a
rock.  I spent last summer sliding around the autocross courses.

This winter I purchased the Kumho 712's and it's like being on a race
tire.  They are about a 220 wear rating I believe and soft - and over
half gon already from this years racing.

I have a new set of Kumho Vectoracer's and a second set of rims to try
now.  I can wait to see how well these stick to the track.

Geoff Mohler wrote:
>
> The 712?  How is that considered a race tire?
>
> Race tires are considered to be under a treadwear rating of 60.
> (technically)
>
>
> > I autocross with the front tires at 38 - 40 and the rears at 34 - 35
> > psi.  I am running Kumho Supra 712 street/race tire - 245/45R17.  I have
> > very little sidewall rollover on the fronts and absoutely none on the
> > rear - all the forces are on the front tires.

Steve - '94 Stealth TT

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:33:52 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire Pressure Question

Erik,

I believe the USER manual recommends +7/+6 psi (front/back) on 17 inch
rims and +6/+6 psi on 18 inch rims when going 100+ mph or "high speed
driving."  I hope I got all these numbers right, because I wrote them
out of memory. 

These numbers are a bit vague, so in case some of you are wondering
about gradually working your way up to +7 psi, then here is something
official from the EUROPEAN Standards:


High-Speed Pressure/Load Capacity Adjustments
European Tyre and Rim Technical Organization (ETRTO) Standards Manual
ETRTO Recommendations

"ZR", "W" Rating Vehicle Top Speed Pressure Increase Tire Load Capacity
km/h mph bar  psi  W
190 118   0   0 100%
200  124  .1 1.5  100%
210  130  .2 3.0  100%
220  136  .3 4.5  100%
230 143  .4 6.0  100%
240 149  .5 7.5 100%
250  155  .5 7.5 95%
260  161  .5 7.5 90%
270 168  .5 7.5  85%

"ZR", "Y" Rating Vehicle Top Speed Pressure Increase Tire Load Capacity
km/h  mph bar psi  Y
220 136   0 0  100%
230  143  .1 1.5 100%
240  149  .2 3.0 100%
250 155  .3 4.5 100%
260 161  .4 6.0  100%
270 168  .5 7.5 100%
280 174  .5 7.5 95%
290 180  .5 7.5 90%
300  186  .5 7.5 85%
* % of max. branded on tire

Personally, I drive with +7 psi in all my Y-rated tires.  I like to have
the peace of mind and not be under inflated.  If you never drive more
than 70 mph, then you will not need pressure above the one written on
the door label.

- -MIHAI-
95 3000GT VR4

Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:27:04 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire Pressure Question

I went out and changed the pressure down to 32/29 and the tires look
like they're really low in pressure (like halfway flat).  It still
drives ok, is 40 ok or am I going to blow them up?

- - -Erik
'91 Stealth

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:01:19 -0600
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

Unfortunatly I do not have time or internet ability to download CAPS, so I
was wondering if someone could give me a little help here.
The creme coloured leather in my car is very cracked and has multiple holes
in it. I got it that way. I would like to keep the stock leather as it has
those nice little holes in it and it matches the interior nicely, so is
there a part number for the leather seat covers, or do I have to buy the
whole seat (in which case I would not). Or would it be better to go get the
car re-upholstered?

Thank you for your help :)

Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:04:05 +0300
From: "Erin Karsan" <erinkarsan@ttnet.net.tr>
Subject: Team3S: Top speed

I purchased my lovely car a few months ago. Last day I had a chance to drive
may car early in the morning and I was trying its top speed. It acelerated
to 152 beautifuly but than it stopped revving and stayed there. Is it
something normal, is it a speed limitter or is there anything wrong my car?

I was reaching to 160 mph with my old impreza turbo easily.

I am going to turn the boost to 15 psi peek and 14 psi continuous.
Do I need a modified exhaust (my cats are removed - free flow)?  I am really
confused because everybody is saying something different.
Which is the best intake for our cars stillen or K&N FIPK?
Which BOV you suggest, closed loop or the other one?
Which is the best electronic boost controller for our cars. Blitz, HKS or
AVC-R.

When I drive my car for 15 minutes (my home is close to my job) my car
smells gasoline and my fuel consumption is high. My best drive was 220 mile
with a full tank. Is there anything that I may check or is it something
normal.

Thanks in advance.
Erin Karsan
94-VR4, cat removed.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:09:01 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Tire Pressure Question

Here is a link to a copy of the original ERTRO chart I got my pressures
from (the original moved from it's location on the net):
http://www.speedtoys.com/~mraicu/ETRTO%20speed%20specifications.htm

- -MIHAI-
95 3000GT VR4

PS.  I have not had any uneven wear by running 42/39 psi on 18" rims.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:34:43 -0600
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: BBQ

Not sure if I'm allowed to do this or not, but there's no better way to
reach the 3S community right?
Here in Aurora Colorado (USA) I am organizing a BBQ/Potluck (Haven't decided
which yet) for the DSM/3S community here in Colorado. If you are interested
in coming please e-mail me and I will keep you updated on what is going on.
Also if you are registered on DaveBlack's website in Colorado you allready
got a similar e-mail. Or you will be getting one shortly.

Thanks for the space :)
PS: This is not going to be a car show, although with this many car fanatics
it will more than likely turn out that way. Mainly we will just be getting
together, eating some good food and having a good time. (and looking at the
really cool fast cars that show up (-: ) So please no racing, I really don't
want a bunch of cops showing up and ruining it, save the racing for later
that night or whatever, not on the way over, just don't want to get some
peoples hopes up we are not going to have some huge TF&TF gathering with a
mile long streth of road featuring drag races :) just a get together
involving food.
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:44:09 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Top speed

> Which is the best intake for our cars stillen or K&N FIPK?
Personally I don't think there is a very large difference between all the
open element air filters available for our cars.   I would be surprised to
find any hard numbers that showed one intake had more than 1 hp difference
with another intake.  The main thing I look for is can the element be
cleaned and reused (who wants to fork out $50 every 10k miles for an exotic
air filter).  Since most of the open element intakes use a K&N filter, the
answer is usually yes.

> Which is the best electronic boost controller for our cars. Blitz, HKS or
> AVC-R.
I installed a AVC-R myself on my RT TT.  I love it.  It has some very nice
features.  It also came with a boost sensor, a high quality boost control
cylinoid and a great display.  I like having lots of control over my car and
the Apexi gives you lots of options.  There really is no "best" boost
controller.  Many people don't want to fiddle with all the goo gaws that the
AVC-R has.  If a boost controller does the job, then the choice is just by
personal preferance.

> When I drive my car for 15 minutes (my home is close to my job) my car
> smells gasoline and my fuel consumption is high. My best drive was 220
mile
> with a full tank. Is there anything that I may check or is it something
> normal.

Whoa.  Only 220 miles on a full tank?  The stock EPA MPG is 17 city and 24
highway.  I drive 5 miles to work through city traffic.  It takes me about
15 minutes.  Even with my lead foot I still get at least 15 mpg.  I can see
you only getting 220 miles if you are trying for a top speed record every
day but for normal driving that is very bad.  I have driven 350 miles on a
tank of gas on the highway without worring about running out of gas.  It
sounds like you are running very rich.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, K&N Filter, DN Downpipe, Custom 3" cat back, high flow cat,
Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors, 3SX SS braided brake
lines.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:32:35 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geddes, Brian J [SMTP:brian.j.geddes@intel.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:15 PM
> To: Team3S Mailing List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT
>
> Come on guys, I was hoping for a LITTLE more response than this!  :)  I
> thought it was a pretty interesting problem...I'll add a few more details
> in
> the hope of cultivating some interest.
>
> In concert with this problem (described below), a check engine light has
> come on.  I haven't yet figured out how to read the diag codes on my '94.
> I'll look in a friend's manual tonight and try to grab the code. 
>
[Willis, Charles E.]  Please read to the end - you want to get the
MFI code ...

Okay, the three day weekend gave me a chance to look up how to read the ECS
trouble codes with a voltmeter.

1.  Find the datalink connector under the dash in the driver's side.
A.  1ST GENERATION - connect + to pin 3, - to pin 12.  Pin 3 is the
third down on the left side, before the double space. Pin 12 is the lower
right corner.
B.  2ND GENERATION - connect + to pin 3, - to pin 4 or 5.  Pin 3 is
the third from the top left side of the connector ( on the log side of the
trapezoid), pin 4 and 5 are next to the right.

2.  Turn the ignition on.

3.  Look at the voltmeter.  The code is repeated many times.  Seven (7)
short deflections is code =0, and means everything is wonderful.

4.  Other codes are:  1 long, 1 short = 11, G sensor bad.
2 long, 1 short=21, steering angular velocity sensor open
2 long, 4 short=24, speed sensor open

These codes don't disappear until ingnition switch is off, even if you fix
the problem.

5.  These codes disappear when you correct the problem:
6 long, 1 short=61, Front Right shock
6 long, 2 short=62, Front left shock
6 long, 3 short=63, Rear right shock
6 long, 4 short=64, Rear Left shock

MFI trouble codes are read in a similar manner, but different pins.

FIRST GENERATION - connect + to pin 1, - to pin 12.
SECOND GENERATION - Connect pin 1 to GROUND and watch the CHECK ENGINE light
flashes for same sort of patterns - long flashes (1.5 sec) are tens digit,
short (0.5 sec) flashes are ones digit.  That gets you the same codes you
would read on the Scan Tool.

You clear codes by disconnecting the battery for 10 seconds, reconnecting
and idling the car for 15 min to make sure the codes don't return.

Chuck

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:43:38 -0400
From: "Dan Johnson" <hiimdan74@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

Donald,
   I'm not trying to pitch the company or anything, but a group of us from
here and 3si.org have a group buy going for 4 new leather/vinyl (same
content as OEM) through leatherseats.com.  The thread's link is below.  For
reference the dealership will charge you ~$700 per seat vs. ~ $600 through
the group buy.  If your interested, take a look at the thread.
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78694
Dan Johnson

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
To: "team3s" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:01 AM
Subject: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

> Unfortunatly I do not have time or internet ability to download CAPS, so I
> was wondering if someone could give me a little help here.
> The creme coloured leather in my car is very cracked and has multiple
holes
> in it. I got it that way. I would like to keep the stock leather as it has
> those nice little holes in it and it matches the interior nicely, so is
> there a part number for the leather seat covers, or do I have to buy the
> whole seat (in which case I would not). Or would it be better to go get
the
> car re-upholstered?
>
> Thank you for your help :)
>
> Donald Ashby
> '93 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:07:21 -0600
From: "Mike & Cathy" <micajoco@theofficenet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

I have a biege leather seat cover from a 93 vr-4 that is in perfect
condition for $100. Mike S
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Johnson" <hiimdan74@yahoo.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: Fw: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

> Donald,
>    I'm not trying to pitch the company or anything, but a group of us from
> here and 3si.org have a group buy going for 4 new leather/vinyl (same
> content as OEM) through leatherseats.com.  The thread's link is below.
For
> reference the dealership will charge you ~$700 per seat vs. ~ $600 through
> the group buy.  If your interested, take a look at the thread.
> http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78694
> Dan Johnson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
> To: "team3s" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:01 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!
>
>
> > Unfortunatly I do not have time or internet ability to download CAPS, so
I
> > was wondering if someone could give me a little help here.
> > The creme coloured leather in my car is very cracked and has multiple
> holes
> > in it. I got it that way. I would like to keep the stock leather as it
has
> > those nice little holes in it and it matches the interior nicely, so is
> > there a part number for the leather seat covers, or do I have to buy the
> > whole seat (in which case I would not). Or would it be better to go get
> the
> > car re-upholstered?
> >
> > Thank you for your help :)
> >
> > Donald Ashby
> > '93 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:14:03 -0400
From: "Dan Johnson" <hiimdan74@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

While re-reading my message it appears that we're only saving $100.  What I
meant to say is that for ~$600 we're getting 4 brand new seat covers
(driver, front passenger, and rear seats) vs. the dealers price of ~$700 for
one seat.
Dan Johnson

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:34:17 -0600
From: "Mike & Cathy" <micajoco@theofficenet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

Sorry--left out that it was the paasengers side front seat cover. Mike S
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Cathy" <micajoco@theofficenet.com>
To: "Dan Johnson" <hiimdan74@yahoo.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

> I have a biege leather seat cover from a 93 vr-4 that is in perfect
> condition for $100. Mike S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Johnson" <hiimdan74@yahoo.com>
> To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:43 AM
> Subject: Fw: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!
>
>
> > Donald,
> >    I'm not trying to pitch the company or anything, but a group of us
from
> > here and 3si.org have a group buy going for 4 new leather/vinyl (same
> > content as OEM) through leatherseats.com.  The thread's link is below.
> For
> > reference the dealership will charge you ~$700 per seat vs. ~ $600
through
> > the group buy.  If your interested, take a look at the thread.
> > http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78694
> > Dan Johnson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
> > To: "team3s" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:01 AM
> > Subject: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunatly I do not have time or internet ability to download CAPS,
so
> I
> > > was wondering if someone could give me a little help here.
> > > The creme coloured leather in my car is very cracked and has multiple
> > holes
> > > in it. I got it that way. I would like to keep the stock leather as it
> has
> > > those nice little holes in it and it matches the interior nicely, so
is
> > > there a part number for the leather seat covers, or do I have to buy
the
> > > whole seat (in which case I would not). Or would it be better to go
get
> > the
> > > car re-upholstered?
> > >
> > > Thank you for your help :)
> > >
> > > Donald Ashby
> > > '93 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:43:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Cook <tektronix@linuxpower.cx>
Subject: Team3S: Can running WAY rich: Undrivable

I have now not had my ONLY car for over a month now.  A week ago I finally
gave up trying to fix this myself and towed it a shop I trust.  The
problem is the car is running entirely too rich.  So rich, that the BRAND
NEW NGK copper racing plugs I just installed are completly fouled up with
about 30 minutes of engine run time and about 1/2 mile on them.  So they
are being replaced with cheaper Bosch ones until the car is running again.

I don't understand why the car is running so rich.  Even if my o2 sensors were not
working at all, I don't think it could cause THAT much of an imbalance if
A/F...could it?

What else could be causing this.  So far neither my shop nor I can figure
out why it is doing this.

Please Help...

Thanks,
  Chris Cook

1992 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:10:40 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

Thanks for the instrucitons.  I checked the MFI code last night, and it's a
code 43:  Exhaust Gas Recirculation.  The only surprise here is that it
didn't come on sooner; I blocked off and removed the EGR over two months
ago, when I installed my 450 injectors.  Don't think it's related to the
problem, as EGR is only active at cruise. 

Can the CEL blinker report out multiple codes?  If the EGR code were stored,
would it prevent another code from being reported?

More information (for all you eager spectators):  I hooked up my boost gauge
in line between the FPR solenoid and the FPR, just to confirm it's not
blocking boost pressure from being added to the fuel pressure.  Boost looked
normal at this location, so the FPR solenoid is looking fine.

- - Brian

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:33 AM
To: 'Geddes, Brian J'; Team3S Mailing List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geddes, Brian J [SMTP:brian.j.geddes@intel.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:15 PM
> To: Team3S Mailing List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT
>
> Come on guys, I was hoping for a LITTLE more response than this!  :)  I
> thought it was a pretty interesting problem...I'll add a few more details
> in
> the hope of cultivating some interest.
>
> In concert with this problem (described below), a check engine light has
> come on.  I haven't yet figured out how to read the diag codes on my '94.
> I'll look in a friend's manual tonight and try to grab the code. 
>
[Willis, Charles E.]  Please read to the end - you want to get the
MFI code ...

Okay, the three day weekend gave me a chance to look up how to read the ECS
trouble codes with a voltmeter.

1.  Find the datalink connector under the dash in the driver's side.
A.  1ST GENERATION - connect + to pin 3, - to pin 12.  Pin 3 is the
third down on the left side, before the double space. Pin 12 is the lower
right corner.
B.  2ND GENERATION - connect + to pin 3, - to pin 4 or 5.  Pin 3 is
the third from the top left side of the connector ( on the log side of the
trapezoid), pin 4 and 5 are next to the right.

2.  Turn the ignition on.

3.  Look at the voltmeter.  The code is repeated many times.  Seven (7)
short deflections is code =0, and means everything is wonderful.

4.  Other codes are:  1 long, 1 short = 11, G sensor bad.
2 long, 1 short=21, steering angular velocity sensor open
2 long, 4 short=24, speed sensor open

These codes don't disappear until ingnition switch is off, even if you fix
the problem.

5.  These codes disappear when you correct the problem:
6 long, 1 short=61, Front Right shock
6 long, 2 short=62, Front left shock
6 long, 3 short=63, Rear right shock
6 long, 4 short=64, Rear Left shock

MFI trouble codes are read in a similar manner, but different pins.

FIRST GENERATION - connect + to pin 1, - to pin 12.
SECOND GENERATION - Connect pin 1 to GROUND and watch the CHECK ENGINE light
flashes for same sort of patterns - long flashes (1.5 sec) are tens digit,
short (0.5 sec) flashes are ones digit.  That gets you the same codes you
would read on the Scan Tool.

You clear codes by disconnecting the battery for 10 seconds, reconnecting
and idling the car for 15 min to make sure the codes don't return.

Chuck

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:21:00 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

I've never had multiple codes from a VR4, but with my GSX, multiple
error codes were delivered one code after another until all were signalled,
and then the series repeated several times.

Chuck

> Can the CEL blinker report out multiple codes?  If the EGR code were
> stored,
> would it prevent another code from being reported?

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:11:10 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

I've wanted to check my fuel pressure under boost, but wasn't sure how to do
it while driving.  You think a tire pressure gauge hooked up with some
rubber hosing would do the trick?  I suppose it wouldn't be very safe to run
such a device into the cabin, but mounted outside the windshield might work.

>I suspected that my fuel pressure regulator solenoid might be causing the
>problem, perhaps closing during boost and preventing the FPR from seeing
the
>boost pressure.  To test the theory, I bypassed the FPR solenoid and ran
the
>vacuum lines straight from the plenum to the FPR.  No dice - the symptoms
>are still the same.

Can you tap a tire pressure gauge into the fuel line? Run a long line to
the top of the hood, attach a gauge to it, and drive like that. See what it
is reading. I would use a $2-dollar non-peak-hold gauge from WalMart.

Attach the gauge and the fuel line really well. You should see something
around 58 psi at 15 psi of boost.

Check out your intake for leaks. A leak between the MAS and the turbos
would also cause your car to run lean.

Philip

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:37:56 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

Here you go again, answering your own questions.
:-)

Make sure you find a good hose that could safely hold 58 psi.

Philip

- ---------------------------------------------

I've wanted to check my fuel pressure under boost, but wasn't sure how to
do
it while driving.  You think a tire pressure gauge hooked up with some
rubber hosing would do the trick?  I suppose it wouldn't be very safe to
run
such a device into the cabin, but mounted outside the windshield might
work.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:48:55 -400
From: ukyo@speedfactory.net
Subject: Re:  Fw: Team3S: Leather Seats, Help please!

Dan -

This is not a true statement.  The factory seats (at least in my 1994 VR-4) are full leather.  My friend took his '92 Stelath RT to the same guy I am having my work done at.  He inspected the seats and said that the inserts were leather, but the rest were vinyl.  I took my car to him and he inspected the seats only to find that every part of my seats are leather.  I am having them re-done with a vinyl / leather combo to save money ($300 total for both fronts and the rear in two tone charcoal / beige including the cover installation charge!).I am having mine re-done as I type this.  He said to go full leather like they were would be closer to $500 for his service.  IMO, it's quite a steal.  I already got the back seat back and it looks really, really good.

Just a little FYI on the top of the line seats... at least in '94.

- -- Travis
1994 3000GT VR-4
1997 Eclipse GSX

> Donald,
>    I'm not trying to pitch the company or anything, but a group of us from
> here and 3si.org have a group buy going for 4 new leather/vinyl (same
> content as OEM) through leatherseats.com.  The thread's link is below.  For
> reference the dealership will charge you ~$700 per seat vs. ~ $600 through
> the group buy.  If your interested, take a look at the thread.
> http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78694
> Dan Johnson

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:04:16 -0400
From: "Andre Cerri" <cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Stereo questions

Thanks for all the replies. Good stuff and just what I expected after even
just a little exposure to the group. A FUP question and comments.

Q27 (!). Looks like there are factory double din CD players (In series 2
cars, by Infinity?) Think I saw on Ebay. Will all of these (assuming there
is more than one type - series 1 cars like mine maybe as well?) be a
straight plug in to my 1992 SL? Assuming I can find a working used one of
course. Getting desperate for CD but not sure I want to blow this months
food budget on a new installation....yet. If so, what do they run used?

Comments.

I've found several times that factory speakers can actually perform
adequately with a decent clean CD source at the helm. No more farting around
at the low and high ends any more. When I was based in Rockville, MD, an
installer there said forget about upgrading your Volvo 850 Turbo tape/radio
Premier sound system - just hook up a 6 pack Alpine changer and marvel at
the difference....

Same guys more or less refused to take money for new in dash tweeters for my
aging Mk2 Golf, when I I wanted to replace the factory paper cones. They
said that even $100 (the most you could spend given the odd size if I
remember right) would barely produce any improvement. They said this is not
always the case, but you have to remember that all we see is a paper cone in
a hole, but what often happens is the manufacturer spends serious bucks (by
our standards i.e millions) to get the best possible bang per buck from the
system. Just throwing $200 in speakers at two holes may not always get you a
whole lot.....

Thanks again, and look forward to the replies on the CD head unit question

BTW A few of you asked about the 1992 Convertible bit. It's a Coach Builders
(of Gainesville, FL) conversion, not a Straman. Pics available on request.

Andre
92 3000 GT SL Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From: Desert Fox [mailto:bigfoot@simmgene.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:23 PM
To: cerri@intersystems.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stereo questions


I'll toss in my coin here as I just replaced dash and door speakers plus
added an Infinity BassLink 200 watt self powered subwoofer several weeks
ago.

I THINK the changer in our VR-4s is a Pioneer. You would have to look on the
back panel of the head unit to see if there is a DIN connection for the
changer. Most likely, there isn't and you would be best off going with a
changer that does RF modulation.

There are 6 plugs on the back of my head unit. One for the telescoping
antenna, one for the rear window antenna (comprising the "Diversity System"
for getting best possible RF reception), one for the main wiring harness,
one for the anti-theft, and 2 DIN connectors, one going to the CD changer
and one going to the amp.

I had a 10 pack changer in a Ford F150 that used this hookup and it was
great. I've seen 6 pack CD changers with this RF modulator for under $90.

Although the factory amp in my car isn't exactly what I would call
fantastic, it certainly works just fine. I think it is 210 watts. My problem
was that my dash speakers were shot. After finding several candidates to
replace them with, I settled on the JBL GTO220, which is a 2.5" cone with a
1" titanium tweeter. So that gives me two way in the dash and covers from
300-21Khz. Then I discovered that my left side door speaker wasn't pumping
out hardly any sound. So after looking long and hard at the Infinity Kappa
63.2, 63.3 and all their other recent permutations, I decided on going with
a straight 6.5" midrange speaker since I already had the high end covered
with the dash speakers. Kicker R6c is their 6.5" midrange that has a cone in
the middle which unscrews so that you could screw a tweeter in to the center
to have a coax speaker. Kicker R6c to each door. One weird thing that I
notice is that the left door speaker puts out more volume at a given level
than does the right side. Rear 6x9 speakers were still kicking so I left
them for now, although I did tear them completely out to photograph and
measure. One thing that I have done that is really sweet is to add a bunch
of Roadkill (like DynaMatt) dampening material to the bare metal sections of
the rear strut towers, inside the 6x9 speaker boxes, on the floor behind the
front seats, under the carpet, covered the metal under the spare tire,
covered the rear deck under where I installed the BassLink and behind the
door speakers on the outer panel of the doors. Cuts down on road noise by a
pretty decent margin.1

Although the BassLink has inputs for both RCA and line-level, I spliced a
line output converter onto the wiring harness at the amp so that I could
fine tune the level to the BassLink and use RCA patch cords for the run to
the rear. The BassLink turns the entire rear end of the VR-4 into a huge
speaker box. I have the controls set down to almost a minimum and it is
still thumpin' loud...

Were there some 3000GT with an 8 speaker system? Yours is a convertible with
4 speakers?

As far as replacing the whole kit and caboodle, it is pretty
straightforward. After pulling the trim ring from the head unit, 4 screws
come out and you pull the head unit. If I was going to replace that much,
I'd rewire with larger gauge speaker wire too.


on 5/29/02 1:00 PM, Andre Cerri at cerri@intersystems.com scribbled:

> New to the list and 3000GTs so 'scuse the dumb questions or if these have
> been posted before....email me direct if appropriate.
>
> 92 3000GT SL.
> Comes with a complex stereo with tape, and a CD jack. Stereo appears to be
a
> bunch of preset modes and equaliser settings. Doesn't sound too bad
> considering it's age and FM. My reference point though is higher end
Alpine
> head units and amps so need to know what upgrades will be worth it.

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 15:53:58 -0500
From: "Mark Wendlandt" <stealth_tt@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

Make sure that you use a gauge designed for fuel.

Mark
'91RT/TT

>From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
>To: team3s@team3s.com
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT
>Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:37:56 -0400
>
>
>Here you go again, answering your own questions.
>:-)
>
>Make sure you find a good hose that could safely hold 58 psi.
>
>Philip
>
>---------------------------------------------
>
>I've wanted to check my fuel pressure under boost, but wasn't sure how to
>do
>it while driving.  You think a tire pressure gauge hooked up with some
>rubber hosing would do the trick?  I suppose it wouldn't be very safe to
>run
>such a device into the cabin, but mounted outside the windshield might
>work.

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:03:09 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Plugs

I'm going on the old "only stupid question is the one you don't ask",
but this one is stupid still... :-)

I bought a plug gauge, a circular one with a ramp around the outside, so
you can set whatever gap you want. Two questions: how do I bend the
electrode down - I've just been putting the gauge in the palm of my
hand, and the plug up against it - it works, but seems rather crude. And
the other one is how do I read the gauge - do I read the mark that's up
against the outside, or try to figure out where the middle is?

Thanks,

Alex.

'95 Vr4
SBC-iD

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:55:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kian Habib <ill1027@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: colors?

I'm currently looking at a 96' VR-4. It seems to be a
pretty good deal but the color is kind of unusual. It
is a purple color. Does anyone know what the official
name of this color is? I'm worried that this strange
color has been painted on and I'm also worried that
down the road this color will be difficult to find if
I want to touch something up.
I have a couple other questions. The dealer said that
there was no 60k service was done )car has 71 on it).
What exactly should I ask him to do for the 60k
service or what amount should I have him take off the
price? I was also wondering what advantages or
disadvantages there would be for buying a 96 instead
of a 97? thank you all very much!

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