Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Wednesday, May 29
2002 Volume 01 : Number
854
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Date:
Tue, 28 May 2002 19:11:41 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.
> In his ARC2 just one
click on the Low knob setting makes the car die or
> run. At speed a
one click adjustment in the Middle knob setting makes
> it run just one
LED under stoich on the A/F meter to one LED short of
> full Rich
condition. Is this the "tweakability" you talk about Matt
> with the
PMS vs. the ARC2? Isn't the SAFC better at tweaking things by
> RPM
or gear but then it might not be able to handle the 720 injectors,
>
right?
There is one magical word : LEARN.
When you adjust a
setting on the ARC the ECU will learn. Example : If you
adjust LOW to lean
the mixture goes lean for a few seconds and then comes
back as it is in
closed loop. The Middle must be adjusted once like
described in the manual.
This is ONLY for the size of the turbo. If it is
workign like supposed then
it can be left alone. Also the ACCEL is set once
at idle and the pass-over to
above 1000rpm or so. If it is set you're done
with this one too. Now only
HIGH for open-loopoperation must be set and
eventually LOW for throttle
response. Works fine although I too wish a finer
percentage between the
clicks. Hmmmm, whenever I have time I'd liek to
develop a digital interface
to replace the varistors in the knobs, hehe.
BTW, for throttle response
and boost controller settings I use the airflow
readout of the TMO. With
720cc it is still on the scale.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:14:36
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: N/A engine power upgrades
$6000 + for a custom supercharger
setup (5 psi of boost max without doing
anything to the internals =>
around 260 hp) or swap the engine with a TT
one.
Good
luck
Roger
93'3000GT TT
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
<
M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: N/A engine power
upgrades
> The car has an auto tranny, a shot of NOS woulld rip it
apart. I want
power
> they is there when the bottle is
empty.
>
> -mike
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:03:13
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.
Thanks, Roger. The problem
was that because of the dense and moist
drizzle of rain and fog the car did
not want to idle smoothly so we had
to lean the Low knob during cranking to
get the car to fire or risk
flooding it like I did the week before which
ended in removing the front
three plugs to clean them, etc.
But after
it was started we returned the Low knob to where it should be
and I think it
might have been bumped one notch so I adjusted it under
conditions when on
the track.
I just wish a system was in place like the Apexi one that had
options
for at start-up, at idle, per gear, or per RPM. This ARC2 is
certainly
handy but takes some tweaking sometime. Maybe instead of
digital just
have a knob or switch that is for low, medium, or high-output
pumps or
injectors. That was the click for a 360 cc injector will be x%
but a
720 cc injector won't be 4x% but will still be x%. I just now see
the
limitations sometimes of upgrading things and not completing the
system
(not upgrading the ECU or ignition stuff sometimes). It was all
foreign
to me before reading this list but now I get to go research some
old
threads.
FYI - pix of the 750 hp and 2,000 pound Ferrari F50 GT1
(chassis #1 of 3
ever made in the world). Also, the ex-Ferrari F1 twin
turbo car (late
1980s) that was tuned for 1,000 hp and 2,000 pound
car.
Pictures 114-1423 and 114-1442 on the link below:
www.team3s.com/~dschilberg/whubbell/FCA-LA_05-22/Track-
--Flash!
www.schilberg.com-
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002
13:12
When you adjust a setting on the ARC the ECU will learn.
Example : If
you
adjust LOW to lean the mixture goes lean for a few
seconds and then
comes
back as it is in closed loop. The Middle must be
adjusted once like
described in the manual. This is ONLY for the size of the
turbo. If it
is
workign like supposed then it can be left alone. Also the
ACCEL is set
once
at idle and the pass-over to above 1000rpm or so. If it
is set you're
done
with this one too. Now only HIGH for open-loopoperation
must be set and
eventually LOW for throttle response. Works fine although I
too wish a
finer
percentage between the clicks. Hmmmm, whenever I have
time I'd liek to
develop a digital interface to replace the varistors in the
knobs, hehe.
BTW, for throttle response and boost controller settings I
use the
airflow
readout of the TMO. With 720cc it is still on the
scale.
*** Info:
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:42:26
-0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <
dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper paint?
Anyone know a decent place to
go with a reasonable price? I'm having a
difficult time finding this
stuff.
Foliatec red caliper paint.
TIA
Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net***
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:47:55
-0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper paint?
Is this the stuff
Porsche uses on theirs ?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Black,
Dave (ICT) [mailto:dblai@allstate.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:42
PM
To:
stealth@starnet.net; Team3s
(E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper
paint?
Anyone know a decent place to go with a reasonable price?
I'm having a
difficult time finding this stuff.
Foliatec red caliper
paint.
TIA
Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net***
Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:56:51
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper paint?
I bought mine from the
Porsche magazine Tweeks (
www.tweeks.com). And if
you want red
then you are welcome to buy the portion I have left. I
haven't used
much so it is going to cost about what it does in the
catalog. I'll
have to go look for the part number ...
Tweeks catalog part #100-803RD,
$47.99
Red caliper lacquer good for at least all four calipers (I just
did
touch up work).
And don't you want your brakes to match your car
color, Dave? Red all
around would look nice. =)
-
--Flash!
www.schilberg.com-
-----Original Message-----
From: Black, Dave (ICT)
[mailto:dblai@allstate.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:42
PM
Anyone know a decent place to go with a reasonable price? I'm
having a
difficult time finding this stuff.
Foliatec red caliper
paint.
*** Info:
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:51:53
-0400 (EDT)
From:
kimbyrd@webtv.net
(Kimberly Byrd)
Subject: Team3S: headlight weather strip
I am getting
ready to have my 1994 3000GT painted. I wanted to replace
the headlight
weather stripping. One of the headlights gathers
consensation and it looks
like someone has taken the headlight out in
the past because the weather
stripping has been cut into. The body shop
has attempted to get that part
from Mitsubishi, but they say that it is
only available if you order the
entire headlight assembly, which is
around $300 per side. Does anyone know if
just the weather stripping is
available through any other source? Thanks,
Kim
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:29:55
-0400
From:
griz600cc@comcast.netSubject:
Team3S: Engine - sorry for the length
I am looking to replace the engine
in my Stealth. It is a '93 Stealth ES,
white. I am contemplating the idea of
upgrading from the stock na engine to
a turbo. What would be the cost
differential between an na and a turbo? I
know that I would have to add an
intercooler and other parts to match.
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:24:07
-0700 (PDT)
From: Kian Habib <
ill1027@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
location
I live in the Boston, MA area. So please keep your
eyes open
for a 94 or above vr-4 with relativly low
miles. THANK YOU
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:15:55
-0500
From: "Dan Hyde" <
danielhyde@attbi.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Engine - sorry for the length
There is complete 97 VR4 engine
plus accessories out on EBay right now -
Item 1831354313
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1831354313&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1022776050&indexURL=0&rd=1
I
have no idea of the interchange possibilities between the Stealth and
VR4,
however, someone may know if this is possible/doable. Price is nice at
the
moment @ $1920 but there is another day left for bidding. Engine is
in
Wilmigton NC.
Good luck
Dan
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: <
griz600cc@comcast.net>
To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: Team3S: Engine - sorry for the
length
I am looking to replace the engine in my Stealth. It is a '93
Stealth ES,
white. I am contemplating the idea of upgrading from the stock na
engine to
a turbo. What would be the cost differential between an na and a
turbo? I
know that I would have to add an intercooler and other parts to
match.
*** Info:
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:24:49
-0600
From: "Moe Prasad" <
mprasad01@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper paint?
Have you tried this
site:
http://www.carstyling.com/wheel.html
I am not sure if this is what you are looking
for.
Rgds
Moe
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Black, Dave
(ICT)" <
dblai@allstate.com>
To:
<
stealth@starnet.net>; "Team3s
(E-mail)" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec
Caliper paint?
> Anyone know a decent place to go with a
reasonable price? I'm having a
> difficult time finding this
stuff.
>
> Foliatec red caliper paint.
>
> TIA
>
> Dave 95VR4
>
http://www.daveblack.net***
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:46:50
-0500
From: "Oskar Persson" <
osk@attbi.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Best
place to buy Foliatec Caliper paint?
Hey Dave,
hope you and
Melissa made it home safely from the Upper Midwest Gathering!
I bought
the Foliatec caliper paint from a company called Ultra Performance.
They are
located in Tucson, Arizona. I don't know if they have a website,
but
their phone number is 520-290-3654.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Black, Dave (ICT)
Sent:
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:42 PM
To:
stealth@starnet.net; Team3s
(E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper
paint?
Anyone know a decent place to go with a reasonable price?
I'm having a
difficult time finding this stuff.
Foliatec red caliper
paint.
TIA
Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net***
Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:54:40
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Engine - sorry for the length
I am in the process of buying a
used engine for my non-turbo car... I
got it for a very nice price with
a warranty... I should have my car
back in a week or so, And I'll post
my results...
- -Cody
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
<
griz600cc@comcast.net>
To:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: Team3S: Engine - sorry for the
length
I am looking to replace the engine in my Stealth. It is a '93
Stealth
ES,
white. I am contemplating the idea of upgrading from the stock
na engine
to
a turbo. What would be the cost differential between an na
and a turbo?
I
know that I would have to add an intercooler and other
parts to match.
*** Info:
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:42:26
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper paint?
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Black, Dave (ICT) [mailto:dblai@allstate.com]
>
Anyone know a decent place to go with a reasonable price? I'm having
a
difficult time finding this stuff.
Foliatec red caliper
paint.
TIA
Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net-
------------------------------>
Don't forget that Folia Tec is not the
only game in town. They are the most
expensive, though, with a kit
going for ~$50. Many speed shops carry
perfectly acceptable high-temp
epoxy paint for a lot less $. These paints
(theoretically) actually
help dissapate the caliper heat better (although I
have a tough time
believing it). Be sure to completely clean the calipers
*well*, before
painting, with acetone or similar. Removing them from the
car is best,
as is a 24-hour drying time before driving.
Our own esteemed Andie Lin
(Carbotech) posted a source for Folia Tec on the
NSX list: Call the Zoo
Factory at 616-553-6179 (Kalamazoo, MI) and ask for
Knute (pronounced
"newt"). They sell folia-tec and other such things. Tell
them Andie Lin sent
you.
Other sources are:
D2-Technik in California at (877)
CAR-STYL
Ultra Performance, Tucson, AZ
orders: 800-43ULTRA
(800-438-5872)
info: 520-290-3654
www.ultraperformance.comFolia
Tec's website is
www.foliatec.deBest,
Forrest
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:28:36
-0600
From: "Stephen H. Simonds" <
simonds@sgi.com>
Subject: Team3S: For
Sale: used Gen 1 17" rims
I have one set of gen 1 17 X 8.5" Stealth TT
rims for sale. $300 Plus
shipping from Albuquerque NM. I can send
pictures if you desire.
Please email me privately if interested.
Steve '94 TT
- --
Regards, SS - Funny, I don't remember being
absent minded.
-
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email:simonds@sgi.com
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:50:27
+0200
From: "Primus Motor AS" <
info@primusmotor.no>
Subject:
Team3S: Any experience on upgrading a 1991 Stealth RT T/T with a 2000 Model
Mitsubishi 3000 GT twinturbo engine ?
I am a norwegian car dealer located
in Oslo, Norway.
For one customer, I have got the following
question:
my customer own a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo with a
damaged engine (we
bought in that condition, in fact on eBay, and then
shipped it all the way
to Oslo, Norway). The engine deliveres 300 HP (of
course all of you know
that :-) ), and the car have a manual 5 speed
transmission.
My customer has just been offered to buy a 2000 Model
(produced 19. April
1999) twin turbo Engine (320 HP) from a Mitsubishi 3000
GT, VIN #
MJZ16AXY000170) originally delivered with a 6 speed manual
transmission. The
engine comes without the transmission. Will this engine fit
into the 1991
Model, with no modification to the electrical system, engine
computer, etc.
(i.e. will all the electrical connectors etc. be the same
?)
Can the 5 speed transmission in the 1991 Model be mounted directly
onto the
engine ?
Do you forsee any other problems that he might get
in doing such a upgrade ?
Thank you very much for your
assistance.
Best regards,
Roger L. Skoglund
Primus Motor
AS
Postboks 4646 Nydalen, 0405 Oslo
Kontor-/besøksadresse: Olaf Schousvei
7, 0572 Oslo
Telefon: 22 38 38 22
Telefax: 22 87 07 71
Web side:
http://primusmotor.noE-mail:
info@primusmotor.no***
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:41:43
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Best place to buy Foliatec Caliper paint?
Thanks, Moe. That
CarStyling brand is what I bought from Tweeks. It
will last a lifetime
as a little goes a long way.
And in my kit it comes with a nice cleaner
(alcohol-style based) but any
good cleaner will do like Brakleen I
imagine. I did not paint the
calipers but the diamonds on the center
caps, some highlighting under
the hood, and little areas. I have Big
Reds up front so didn't need
them painted but wanted to highlight other
areas.
Now that the Big Reds are getting dull it might be time to give
them a
new paint job though.
- --Flash!
www.schilberg.com- -----Original
Message-----
From: Bob Forrest
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 20:42
Be
sure to completely clean the calipers
*well*, before painting, with acetone
or similar. Removing them from
the
car is best, as is a 24-hour
drying time before driving.
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:55:55
EDT
From:
Keisuke6G72@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
16" Chrome Wheels with Tires, $200
Hey Team,
I have a set of
aftermarket wheels that where on my car when I bought it.
They are 16"
wheels made by ULTRA. Excellent condition on three but one
wheel has a
chip in it :( Tires are GT+4's 225/55s Only have about 5000
miles on
them, great condition. Im looking to sell them for $200 plus
shipping. I live in Virginia Beach, VA. Write me back if you
would like to
see pictures.
Scott
91 3000GT SL
keisuke6g72@aol.com***
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:55:55
EDT
From:
Keisuke6G72@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
16" Chrome Wheels with Tires, $200
Hey Team,
I have a set of
aftermarket wheels that where on my car when I bought it.
They are 16"
wheels made by ULTRA. Excellent condition on three but one
wheel has a
chip in it :( Tires are GT+4's 225/55s Only have about 5000
miles on
them, great condition. Im looking to sell them for $200 plus
shipping. I live in Virginia Beach, VA. Write me back if you
would like to
see pictures.
Scott
91 3000GT SL
keisuke6g72@aol.com***
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:16:19
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Any experience on upgrading a 1991 Stealth RT T/T with a 2000 Model
Mitsubishi 3000 GT twinturbo engine ?
It can be done, however at great
extents. The main electrical
difference between the two is the '91 car
will have a Cam Angle Sensor,
whereas the later model will have a Crank Angle
Sensor. Other than
that, there are very few differences that would have
an effect on
swapping the engines. The way to circumvent this would be
to install
the Cam angle sensor on the rear head of the later model engine,
and all
that would be associated with it (I am not for sure, as I have
never
done that). I suppose there are other ways around it, although I
am not
100% sure....
- -Cody
- -----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Primus Motor AS
Sent:
Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:50 PM
To:
Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.stSubject:
Team3S: Any experience on upgrading a 1991 Stealth RT T/T with
a 2000 Model
Mitsubishi 3000 GT twinturbo engine ?
I am a norwegian car dealer located
in Oslo, Norway.
For one customer, I have got the following
question:
my customer own a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo with a
damaged engine
(we
bought in that condition, in fact on eBay, and then
shipped it all the
way
to Oslo, Norway). The engine deliveres 300 HP (of
course all of you know
that :-) ), and the car have a manual 5 speed
transmission.
My customer has just been offered to buy a 2000 Model
(produced 19.
April
1999) twin turbo Engine (320 HP) from a Mitsubishi
3000 GT, VIN #
MJZ16AXY000170) originally delivered with a 6 speed manual
transmission.
The
engine comes without the transmission. Will this engine
fit into the
1991
Model, with no modification to the electrical system,
engine computer,
etc.
(i.e. will all the electrical connectors etc. be the
same ?)
Can the 5 speed transmission in the 1991 Model be mounted
directly onto
the
engine ?
Do you forsee any other problems that he
might get in doing such a
upgrade ?
Thank you very much for your
assistance.
Best regards,
Roger L. Skoglund
Primus Motor
AS
Postboks 4646 Nydalen, 0405 Oslo
Kontor-/besøksadresse: Olaf Schousvei
7, 0572 Oslo
Telefon: 22 38 38 22
Telefax: 22 87 07 71
Web side:
http://primusmotor.noE-mail:
info@primusmotor.no***
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:31:43
-0500
From: "Oskar Persson" <
osk@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wilwood
brake kit
There is a Wilwood 6 caliper brake kit being offered on
3Si.org. Looks
interesting. From what I can gather the piston
surface area is 4.04 sq".
How does this compare to the big red
calipers? Also, the rotor is 1.25 "
thick, which if not incorrectly
stated should equate to 32mm. Also
appealing.
I don't have enough
knowledge to evaluate this kit. Looking to some of you
brake fanatics
to chime in.
Here is the link:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=6e4985d54220dd16146520bc92f0abc7&threadid=81814
Thanks,
Oskar
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:43:38
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wilwood brake kit
If thats the one I commented on..its not a
racing kit..at best a 'hot'
street kit.
No way how I can see a 9lb
rotor being able to take 3S track abuse.
Rotors were never meant to be
lightweight.
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Oskar Persson wrote:
> There
is a Wilwood 6 caliper brake kit being offered on 3Si.org. Looks
>
interesting. From what I can gather the piston surface area is 4.04
sq".
> How does this compare to the big red calipers? Also, the
rotor is 1.25 "
> thick, which if not incorrectly stated should equate to
32mm. Also
> appealing.
>
> I don't have enough knowledge to
evaluate this kit. Looking to some of you
> brake fanatics to chime
in.
>
> Here is the link:
>
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=6e4985d54220dd16146520bc92f0abc7&thr>
eadid=81814
>
> Thanks,
> Oskar
- ---
Geoff
Mohler
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:11:34
-0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <
gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S:
Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
I bought a LabJack at
www.labjack.com and used it to log some data
on my
'95 TT. Check out my page
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gphilip/labjack.html.
It
confirmed some of my suspicions about the still persisting spark
blowout. I
guess it is time to get better coils (or try copper plugs) since
I already
have Magnecor wires and Denso Iridiums gapped at
0.032".
Questions:
1) What are those "copper plugs" that I could
buy for a dollar a piece? I
need to know the brand, the heat range and where
to buy them.
2) What has been concluded during those recent aftermarket
ignition coil
tests? Should I get the Accell 6-pack from the GN or should I
get the
Accell individual motorcycle coils? If I buy the GN 6-pack, and then
decide
to still upgrade to the DIS-4 HO, will I be biting my elbows that I
did not
get the individual motorcycle coils?
3) Do you guys think my
O2 readings are normal? I hope my O2 sensors are
okay. I ran my SAFC at the
+5% richer setting across the board. The front
O2 is acting weird - it reads
a little leaner than the rear. It also
sometimes lags and sometimes leads
the readings of the rear O2, which seems
to be a little more stable. I hope
to get more stable O2 readings once I
fix that
ignition.
Thanks,
Philip
'95 Red R/T TT
Apexi AVC-R, S-AFC,
S-ITC
Magnecor wires, Denso Iridiums gapped at 0.032"
Everything else is
almost stock
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:30:39
-0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
Everyone,
Why not use two
SAFCs hoohed up in series?
I know this is going to cost $300*2, however,
the signal could then be
tuned to -25%. By using Brian's formula
(i+ci=360) twice (i+ci=720), we
could run injectors of 1440cc theoretical
size. However, since no one
ever ran such large injectors, I ran some
theoretical injectors thorough
my calculations.
900cc injectors: -50%
on 1st SAFC
-20% on 2nd SAFC
720cc injectors -50% on 1st SAFC
+/-0%
on 2nd SAFC
You guys can figure out more combinations. ITC would
probably also be
used for timing.
Please tell me it's possible.
If it is, the hard to tune ARC will not
be needed, and 2 SAFCs will do the
job for any size injectors.
- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4
> > >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From:
"Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
>
> > > > To: "'dakken'" <
dougusmagnus@attbi.com>; "Team3S"
> > > > > <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 7:09 PM
> > > >
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc
injectors?
>
> > > > > > c = Correction
Percentage
> > > > > > i = New Injector Size
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > i + ci = 360
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > Plug in i for your new
injectors, and then solve for c. This
> > > > > >
will
> > > > > the the
> > > > > >
"mathematically perfect" setting for the S-AFC...in real
> > > >
> > life, of
> > > > > course,
> > > >
> > it'll need tweaking. A few examples:
> > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
450s:
> > > > > > 450 + (c)450 = 360
> > > >
> > 1 + c = 360/450
> > > > > > c = .8 - 1
>
> > > > > c = -.2 = -20%
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > 550s:
> > > > > > 550 + (c)550 =
360
> > > > > > 1 + c = 360/550
> > > > >
> c = .66 - 1
> > > > > > c = -.33 = -33%
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > 720s:
> > >
> > > 720 + (c)720 = 360
> > > > > > 1 + c =
360/720
> > > > > > c = .5 - 1
> > > > >
> c = -.5 = -50%
> > > > > > - Brian
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:24:52
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
The assumption is
wrong that a SAFC does anything in percentage. It's just
to make life easier
for the user but in fact it just alters the frequency
and voltage of the
input signal. The problem is that too low output signals
are gonna be
wrongly interpreted by the ECU and therefore doesn't do
anything. What will
the ECU do at WOT when it becomes a signal like beeing
on 10% throttle ? The
map is wrong then for sure. So the limitation of the
SAFC is the lowest
frequency that cannot be devided anymore.
An ARC II together with an SAFC
for fine tuning can be used in serial
connection. With this one can change
the output signals from the ARC, but
only some small ranges where the SAFC
is good.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 02:30 29.05.2002 -0400,
Mihai Raicu wrote:
>Everyone,
>
>Why not use two SAFCs hoohed
up in series?
>
>I know this is going to cost $300*2, however, the
signal could then be
>tuned to -25%. By using Brian's formula
(i+ci=360) twice (i+ci=720), we
>could run injectors of 1440cc theoretical
size. However, since no one
>ever ran such large injectors, I ran
some theoretical injectors thorough
>my calculations.
>
>900cc
injectors: -50% on 1st
SAFC
>
-20% on 2nd SAFC
>
>720cc injectors -50% on 1st
SAFC
>
+/-0% on 2nd SAFC
>
>You guys can figure out more
combinations. ITC would probably also be
>used for
timing.
>
>Please tell me it's possible. If it is, the hard to
tune ARC will not
>be needed, and 2 SAFCs will do the job for any size
injectors.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:31:01
-0700
From: "BlackLight" <
BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
Isn't the AFC
just a piggyback and the AFR is a standalone? How does
this make a
difference?
Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Netwww.BlackLight.5u.com-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Gerl
Sent: Wednesday,
May 29, 2002 1:25 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stCc:
brian.j.geddes@intel.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
The assumption is
wrong that a SAFC does anything in percentage. It's
just
to make life
easier for the user but in fact it just alters the
frequency
and voltage
of the input signal. The problem is that too low output
signals
are gonna
be wrongly interpreted by the ECU and therefore doesn't do
anything. What
will the ECU do at WOT when it becomes a signal like
beeing
on 10%
throttle ? The map is wrong then for sure. So the limitation of
the
SAFC
is the lowest frequency that cannot be devided anymore.
An ARC II
together with an SAFC for fine tuning can be used in serial
connection. With
this one can change the output signals from the ARC,
but
only some small
ranges where the SAFC is good.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 02:30 29.05.2002 -0400,
Mihai Raicu wrote:
>Everyone,
>
>Why not use two SAFCs hoohed
up in series?
>
>I know this is going to cost $300*2, however, the
signal could then be
>tuned to -25%. By using Brian's formula
(i+ci=360) twice (i+ci=720),
>we could run injectors of 1440cc
theoretical size. However, since no
>one ever ran such large
injectors, I ran some theoretical injectors
>thorough my
calculations.
>
>900cc
injectors: -50% on 1st
SAFC
>
-20% on 2nd SAFC
>
>720cc injectors -50% on 1st
SAFC
>
+/-0% on 2nd SAFC
>
>You guys can figure out more
combinations. ITC would probably also be
>used for
timing.
>
>Please tell me it's possible. If it is, the hard to
tune ARC will not
>be needed, and 2 SAFCs will do the job for any size
injectors.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:53:35
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
Same, no
difference in signal input/output. Function and way it does its
job of
course is different.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 01:31 29.05.2002 -0700,
BlackLight wrote:
>Isn't the AFC just a piggyback and the AFR is a
standalone? How does
>this make a difference?
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:23:19
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
At 02:11 29.05.2002 -0400,
Philip V. Glazatov wrote:
>I bought a LabJack at
www.labjack.com and used it to log some data
on my
>'95 TT. Check out my page
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gphilip/labjack.html.
Cool
thing with direct USB... I do have such thing for RS232 that work on
older
PCs as well.
>1) What are those "copper plugs" that I could buy for a
dollar a piece? I
>need to know the brand, the heat range and where to
buy them.
NGK, one range colder.
>2) What has been concluded
during those recent aftermarket ignition coil
>tests? Should I get the
Accell 6-pack from the GN or should I get the
>Accell individual
motorcycle coils? If I buy the GN 6-pack, and then
>decide to still
upgrade to the DIS-4 HO, will I be biting my elbows that I
>did not get
the individual motorcycle coils?
Dude, the coil pack is already six coils
just in one plastic case. So there
is no difference than having six coils
but size. It works fine and I don't
see the need for an amplifier. The
motorcycle coils also work but the GM
single coil seems to be a better and
cheaper solution so far.
>3) Do you guys think my O2 readings are
normal? I hope my O2 sensors are
>okay. I ran my SAFC at the +5% richer
setting across the board. The front
>O2 is acting weird - it reads a
little leaner than the rear. It also
>sometimes lags and sometimes leads
the readings of the rear O2, which
>seems to be a little more stable. I
hope to get more stable O2 readings
>once I fix that ignition.
I
can't see the O2 properly due to too low resolution.
Also what are the ugly
RPM spikes appearing ??
Also boost is varying somewhat too much (too much
ripple)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:43:28
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wilwood brake kit
At 22:43 28.05.2002 -0700, Geoff Mohler
wrote:
>If thats the one I commented on..its not a racing kit..at best a
'hot'
>street kit.
There are three different discs for the 2-piece
rotors available. The
lightweight rotors with the lighter disc definitely
help to reduce the high
unsprung weight. I definitely prefer it over the
Porsche calipers at least
due to the weight and also piston surface.
Additionally they work with
stock brake lines (or well priced ss
lines).
>No way how I can see a 9lb rotor being able to take 3S track
abuse.
I see no problems. The size is even less in diameter than the
stock
european ones but Wilwood does not recommend more on our cars. I can
always
get larger discs if necessary from Bremsa in Switzerland. The weight
of the
discs is less than the ones on my actual Bremsas due to the less
diameter
and much more holes (racing setup). I went for the slotted ones as
I do not
feel well with the crossdrilled ones.
>Rotors were never
meant to be lightweight.
Unless you drove one with noticeable reduced
unsprung weight. Of course our
cars are heavy but I'm positive that the
weight ratio turns out better and
will improve handling.
For the
price of $1480 a set including calipers, pads, 2-piece rotors I I'd
prefer
it over the Porsche/Porterfield (and they also are known to crack
now)
combination. Also the needed bracket is very well made and of high
quality.
Better than what we can get for the Porsches right now. Wilwood is
able to
provide any temperature and other details if desired.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
www.rtec.ch > There is a
Wilwood 6 caliper brake kit being offered on 3Si.org. Looks
> >
interesting. From what I can gather the piston surface area is 4.04
sq".
> > How does this compare to the big red calipers? Also, the
rotor is 1.25 "
> > thick, which if not incorrectly stated should
equate to 32mm. Also
> > appealing.
> >
> > I don't
have enough knowledge to evaluate this kit. Looking to some of you
>
> brake fanatics to chime in.
> >
> > Here is the
link:
> >
>
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=6e4985d54220dd16146520bc92f0abc7&thr>
> eadid=81814
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:48:53
-0700
From: "Michael, Sharon & Dashiell Rhoden" <
rhoden@easystreet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Adjustable struts
After a disappointing mistake by sears I'm
hearing from reputable parts
suppliers that the adjustable struts are no
longer available from any source
but Satan.
Can this be true?
I
really need to replace the (front) struts on my 92 VR4 with
electronic
suspension control. Probably the rear shocks too--does
anyone know if
they're adjustable, too?
Any thoughts suggestions about
whether it's worthwhile/possible to replace
electronically adjustable
suspension components?
Thanks, again.
Michael
92 VR4 that's no
fun to drive with shot suspension
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:54:43
-0500
From: "
merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wilwood brake kit
>For the price of $1480 a set including
calipers, pads, 2-piece rotors I I'd
>prefer it over the
Porsche/Porterfield (and they also are known to crack
>now) combination.
A slight clarification, please. The ONLY reason the Porterfield rotor
broke is because I wore it down to 0.10 below discard depth. They were
paper thin. It was my own dang fault for running them down so far, and not
inspecting for cracks. To my knowledge, no one has ever broken a stock rotor or
a Porterfield rotor before. Oskar broke a Stillen and I broke two PowerSlots,
but those were junk rotors.
Rich/slow old poop
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:05:17
-0400 (EDT)
From: Joseph Spainhour <
spainhou@coastalnet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Transmission fluid leak
Hello all,
Well, I got a
new o-ring installed and that seems to have stoped the
fluid leak from the
drain plug, but now I have another one, that is a
little worse. It appears to
be coming from the right hand side oil
seal. I am not sure though. I need to
take the wheel off and have a
good look around.
Any ideas on what
else it might be? Is this normal with redline
fluid? Granted, the car shifts
better than it ever has, but I had not
planned on replacing the seals.
Anything else that I should look at
replacing while the car is in the air? I
do not want to chase this
leak anymore.
Joseph
93 3kgt vr-4,
K&N FIPK
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:31:38
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wilwood brake kit
At 08:54 29.05.2002 -0500, you
wrote:
> >For the price of $1480 a set including calipers, pads,
2-piece rotors I I'd
> >prefer it over the Porsche/Porterfield (and
they also are known to crack
> >now) combination.
>
>A
slight clarification, please. The ONLY reason the Porterfield rotor
>broke is because I wore it down to 0.10 below discard depth. They
were
>paper thin. It was my own dang fault for running them down so far,
and not
>inspecting for cracks. To my knowledge, no one has ever broken a
stock
>rotor or a Porterfield rotor before. Oskar broke a Stillen and I
broke two
>PowerSlots, but those were junk rotors.
Yes, correct.
Unfortunately we had two 3000GT that broke each a stock
rotor, a left and
right one. Every stock Mitsu ones got warped after a few
laps :-( One
set of Bremsa (single piece) on a GT FOUR also broke apart on
the Autobahn.
Thickness of all rotors was within specs.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:34:33
-0400
From: "Ioan Raicu" <
iraicu@directvinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 660cc injectors?
Hello,
I had
posted this the other day, but it went through as an HTML message
and I am
not sure how many of you actually read it, so I am resending it
as plain
text.
So far, from the discussion we have had over the last several
days
regarding 550cc and 720cc injectors controlled by the APEXI S-AFC,
it
seems that the consensus is that 550cc injectors should be no problem
at
about -33% while the 720cc injectors should be at about -50%.
The
reason 720cc injectors should not be used is mainly because there is
no
room for error since -50% is already the limit of the S-AFC. How
about
660cc injectors? According to my calculations, the S-AFC should
be set
to -45%, which gives a whole 5% margin of error, which to me
sounds
reasonable.
Now the second question, say along with the 660cc
injectors came a pair
of 15G turbos, better fuel pump, and Water/Alki
Injection System, could
20PSI be handled to redline? Or will the 660cc
injectors still pose a
bottleneck even at only 20PSI of boost.
Thanks
in advance for any comments.
John Raicu
94 Yellow TT
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:44:22
-0700
From: "dakken" <
dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Adjustable struts
I replaced my front struts 2 weeks
ago. I bought them from Libertyville
Mitsu for $134 each plus
shipping. Cheapest price I have found.
The rear shocks are ECS as
well.
I replaced them myself. It was pertty simple. It just
took a spring
compressor set (although a third compressor would have been
very handy),
removed the top 3 bolts and ECS plug, unbolt brake line and ABS
sensor
bracket, mark the camber setting and remove the bottom 2 bolts.
Once you do
that the whole assembly comes out. Compress the springs,
then remove one
bolt and replace the strut. Do everything in reverse
and you can be done
with both front struts in less than an hour with air
tools.
I think it was well worth it. I prefer the ECS suspension to
any non
adjustible one since I use it as a daily driver and a fun weekend
car.
There are plenty of other non adjustible alternatives out on the
market.
You can see a wide selection of them by going to
http://www.stealth316.comand looking up
the links.
Good luck.
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:44:01
-0700
From: "BlackLight" <
BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
Are you talking
about it's designed functions, or do you bean because it
is a standalone it
is different? I know their capabilities are
different, and the HKS S-AFR
sounds better, but I want to make sure I'm
getting the right one. I will be
running 450 DSM injectors, and I have a
open atmosphere BOV I want to correct
from stalling.
Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Netwww.BlackLight.5u.com-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Gerl
Sent: Wednesday,
May 29, 2002 1:54 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
Same, no
difference in signal input/output. Function and way it does its
job of
course is different.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 01:31 29.05.2002 -0700,
BlackLight wrote:
>Isn't the AFC just a piggyback and the AFR is a
standalone? How does
>this make a difference?
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:45:26
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
So this is the standard second gen
hybrid OBDI/OBDII brain, right? And
you got datalog stuff out of it by
your swift connections noted below?
Will this work on all second gen
cars?
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 with no current datalog
capabilities
- -----Original Message-----
From: Philip V.
Glazatov
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:12
I bought a LabJack
at
www.labjack.com and used it to log some
data on my
'95 TT. Check out my page
www-personal.umich.edu/~gphilip/labjack.html.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:46:16
-0500
From: "
merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Adjustable struts
>
>There are plenty of other non
adjustible alternatives out on the market.
>You can see a wide selection
of them by going to
http://www.stealth316.com>and
looking up the links.
>
Been there, done that.
Instead of looking
up every link, finding a company that claims to have struts, then finding out
that they are discontinued, I'd rather just repeat the original question:
Does anyone know where we can find aftermarket struts for a 3000GT
VR4?
Who REALLY has struts available?
Is there a source for GABs anywhere
in the U.S.?
Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:46:47
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Any experience on upgrading a 1991 Stealth RT T/T with a 2000 Model
Mitsubishi 3000 GT twinturbo engine ?
> -----Original
Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
> Of Primus Motor AS
> I
am a norwegian car dealer located in Oslo, Norway.---snip---
> My customer
has just been offered to buy a 2000 Model (produced 19. April
1999) twin
turbo Engine (320 HP) from a Mitsubishi 3000 GT, VIN #
MJZ16AXY000170)
originally delivered with a 6 speed manual transmission.
> The engine
comes without the transmission. Will this engine fit into the
1991 Model,
with no modification to the electrical system, engine computer,
etc. (i.e.
will all the electrical connectors etc. be the same ?) Can the 5
speed
transmission in the 1991 Model be mounted directly onto the engine ?
Do you
forsee any other problems that he might get in doing such a upgrade ?
>
Thank you very much for your assistance.
> Best regards,
> Roger L.
Skoglund
- ----------------------->
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
To: "'Primus
Motor AS'" <
info@primusmotor.no>;
<
Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st>
>
It can be done, however at great extents. The main electrical
difference
between the two is the '91 car will have a Cam Angle Sensor,
whereas the
later model will have a Crank Angle Sensor. Other than
that, there are very
few differences that would have an effect
on
swapping the engines. The way to circumvent this would be to
install the
Cam angle sensor on the rear head of the later model engine, and
all that
would be associated with it (I am not for sure, as I have never done
that).
I suppose there are other ways around it, although I am not 100%
sure....
> -Cody
- ----------------------->
But will a 2nd
gen engine bolt up to a 1st gen tranny with no problems?
What about OBD
issues? And are the ECUs compatible?
- --Forrest
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:09:14
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
Nono, this has nothing to do
with any OBDII !!
This is simple analog data capturing that works with a nice
box that is
directly connected to the USB port. Just be safe to have a
notebook with
enough USB current. It will work on any car of the
world
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 11:45 29.05.2002 -0400,
Darren Schilberg wrote:
>So this is the standard second gen hybrid
OBDI/OBDII brain, right? And
>you got datalog stuff out of it by
your swift connections noted below?
>Will this work on all second gen
cars?
>
>--Flash!
>1995 VR-4 with no current datalog
capabilities
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Philip V.
Glazatov
>Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:12
>
>I bought a
LabJack at
www.labjack.com and used it to
log some data on my
>
>'95 TT. Check out my page
www-personal.umich.edu/~gphilip/labjack.html.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:18:59
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From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
But he said he took some data
(boost numbers) out of the AVC unit.
Where were all the others coming from
that the LabJack people customized
for him?
So any car in the
world? What is holding us second gen folks up from
getting some numbers
off our cars then?
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002
12:09
Nono, this has nothing to do with any OBDII !!
This is
simple analog data capturing that works with a nice box that is
directly
connected to the USB port. Just be safe to have a notebook with
enough
USB current. It will work on any car of the world
At 11:45 29.05.2002
-0400, Darren Schilberg wrote:
>So this is the standard second gen hybrid
OBDI/OBDII brain, right? And
>you got datalog stuff out of it by
your swift connections noted below?
>Will this work on all second gen
cars?
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:38:55
-0400
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
RE: Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
I wired the LabJack directly
into the ECU wiring harness. I can log any
car that has an
ECU.
LabJack can log any eight +/-10V DC and one counter/frequency. Hook
up
some optional thermocouples to is and you could log temperature in
your
bedroom over the course of a year if you wish.
Philip
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Nono, this has nothing to do
with any OBDII !!
This is simple analog data capturing that works with a nice
box that is
directly connected to the USB port. Just be safe to have a
notebook with
enough USB current. It will work on any car of the
world
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:50:36
-0400
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
RE: Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
>But he said he took some
data (boost numbers) out of the AVC unit.
>Where were all the others
coming from that the LabJack people customized
>for him?
The blue
wire of the AVC-R harness outputs 1 volt per every bar of boost
pressure. See
the last chart on my LabJack page for the details.
>So any car in the
world? What is holding us second gen folks up from
>getting some
numbers off our cars then?
Nothing is stopping me now. Other than the
mysterious knock sensor output
reading/processing/interpretation. Maybe
someone could help me program the
LabJack or burn some chips to log more
frequencies, duty cycles and the
ignition timing advance. I am currently
looking for a frequency-DC voltage
converter
chip.
Philip
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:57:39
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From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
Okay. So it seems like a the GN
coils is the way to go. But are they alone
a better upgrade than the DIS-4 HO
alone? If I have to pick only one to
start with, should I go with the
upgraded coils of with the DIS?
My RPM signal is noisy because I have to
calculate it in Excel by counting
the RPM pulses and then dividing them by
the time intervals. At 6000 rpm
there are only 18 pulses every 60
millisecond. I already try to smooth it
out mathematically, but the current
level of accuracy is acceptable.
The boost is noisy, I agree. I am
planning to troubleshoot that soon. I am
glad I found this problem though.
Without the data logging the AVC-R would
have never told me that there is a
problem. I will also tackle the O2
sensors after I figure out the
ignition.
Philip
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>2) What has
been concluded during those recent aftermarket ignition coil
>tests?
Should I get the Accell 6-pack from the GN or should I get the
>Accell
individual motorcycle coils? If I buy the GN 6-pack, and then
>decide to
still upgrade to the DIS-4 HO, will I be biting my elbows that
I
>did
not get the individual motorcycle coils?
Dude, the coil pack is already
six coils just in one plastic case. So
there
is no difference than having
six coils but size. It works fine and I don't
see the need for an
amplifier. The motorcycle coils also work but the GM
single coil seems to be
a better and cheaper solution so far.
>3) Do you guys think my O2
readings are normal? I hope my O2 sensors are
>okay. I ran my SAFC at the
+5% richer setting across the board. The front
>O2 is acting weird -
it reads a little leaner than the rear. It also
>sometimes lags and
sometimes leads the readings of the rear O2, which
>seems to be a little
more stable. I hope to get more stable O2 readings
>once I fix that
ignition.
I can't see the O2 properly due to too low resolution.
Also
what are the ugly RPM spikes appearing ??
Also boost is varying somewhat too
much (too much ripple)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:00:13
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From: "Mike & Cathy" <
micajoco@theofficenet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Hood Blisters
I'am looking for a set of 1gen hood blisters if
anyone has a set for sell
please contact me. Mike S 92 rt tt
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:28:00
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From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Logging a '95 3S with LabJack
> >So any car in the
world? What is holding us second gen folks up from
> >getting
some numbers off our cars then?
You can't get numbers OUT OF THE ECU !
But you can connect a multimeter to
any wire you want ;-)
> Nothing
is stopping me now. Other than the mysterious knock sensor output
>
reading/processing/interpretation. Maybe someone could help me program
the
> LabJack or burn some chips to log more frequencies, duty cycles and
the
> ignition timing advance. I am currently looking for a frequency-DC
voltage
> converter chip.
No chance ! You need aspectrum analyzer
and programmable filter for the
knock sensor and you have to analyze an
analog audio signal and not a simple
voltage. Or build a single channel
amplifier with a bandpass filter in the
desired region. The output should
show slight voltage increase during knock.
This can then be made
visible.
Duty cycle and igntiion timign advance should not be a problem
but the
logging frequency may be not enough to measure the difference in
degrees. I
did this years ago with an RS232 board and 8 analogue inputs and
did not
come to a good and cheap solution.
Roger
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