Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth     Monday, May 27 2002     Volume 01 : Number 852




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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:06:17 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: was Open Track Rain Report, now handling/tires

I am going to piggy back on this topic and give a plug for BFG KDWS (as in
wet + snow)  They have a treadwear rating of 400 and when I had them on my
MKIV they were great in the rain... 
 
I have them on my VR and other than the fact that in 18" sizes are kinda
limited they are still wonderful.  I would definately use them in the rain
at the track, shoot my 12.98 at the drag strip was run on those tires have
not yet run them at LRP (Lime Rock Park). 
Price wise they arent too bad IIRC I aid 138 each and now to just get my new
17's to clear brake upgrades........

- -----Original Message-----
From: S. J Cowan [mailto:sjc0u812@juno.com]
Sent: Sun 5/26/2002 10:35 AM
To: team3s@team3s.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: Team3S: was Open Track Rain Report, now handling/tires

Philip:

I'm going to add my 2hp here and agree with Rich -- did I say that out
loud?  Oh the humanity...  Anyway, it sounds like tires to me.  In fact,
tires can make a huge difference.  I live here in sunny, warm, sub
tropical Wisconsin (say it with me now -- WES-konnn-sin).  In the winter,
I simply swap wheels and tires and use Michelin XM+S's.  Pass all the
soccer Mom's in their Navigator's and Expeditions half in and out of the
ditches who think that 4wd button means something more.  Granted, we have
snow plows the size of my house up here so they've really got a handle on
it when it snows (unlike Ohio where you just shut the city down for
3/4"), but I remember one day the toughest part was simply getting into
the car to drive home.  It drove and handled like a dream.  SO, I'd say
tyres also.  And at the track or on the street, you're going to have to
back it down with the Z's or Yoko's or whatever in the rain.  Just the
nature of the tire and conditions.  I suppose you could take the M+S's to
the track if it rains.  ;-)

Best,

SJ

> Another thing. I hated how my car handled in the snow and on ice. It
> plows
> straight like a bulldozer and has no traction whatsoever. But it is
> perfect
> on dry asphalt. It must be the tires that make all the difference.
> Rich
> likes wet track but Dave T does not.
>
> Philip
>
> At 15:14 5/25/2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:
> >Geez, Dave, I pray for rain at every event, because the car sticks
> like
> >glue and I can lap everybody. When it rains, I put on the street
> Michelin
> >Pilots.
> >Must be your tires.

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:09:06 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: Team3S: size of hub?

does anyone know the size of the wheel hub?  Is it the same size as the DSM
hub?

thanks

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 19:22:35 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

To create a 700hp car you may invest about $8000 at least. The electronic
devices are the cheapest ones for sure !

Fuel :
To provide enough fuel, the 720cc are a must (~$100 each). Use whatever you
like to control them but get rid of the stock MAS as it becomes quickly a
restriction (~$1000). Supra Pump at least (~$250)

Air :
Turbos is clear (~$2300) but then also the intercoolers and piping must be
done to prevent pressure loss and to provide efficient air cooling (~$2500)

Exhaust :
Of course as free as possible. No cats, downpipe, free flow muffler(s)
(~$800)

Clutch :
The stock clutch cannot hold high power. A good high power clutch must go in
(~$450)

Engine :
Forged pistons are a must (~$1200 with everything)

Labour :
Around ~$1800 for everything

Total ???  Sorry... I underestimated the costs !!

So, if you want to have that amount of power you may safe some more money.

Good luck
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
To: "Roman" <romachka21@netscape.net>; <Team3S@team3s.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

> > You need more than ARC2 for 700Hp, youre
> > gonna wanna go full management.
> > Youve chosen a lofty goal..720cc injectors for sure.
>
> I'd agree...  The ARC2 is decent, but would need quite a bit of help to
get
> you to 700HP.  On a '94 VR4 you don't have any datalogging capability at
> this point, that's something you'll need to solve to achieve a 700HP goal
> with any level of repeatability.

<snip>

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

You sure, I thought that would be 25%.

On Sun, 26 May 2002, Dave and Becky Trent wrote:

> Sorry, that would be 50% of the available adjustment on the AFC.  If I
> recall, that equates to ~15% of the actual MAF signal.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
> Cc: "Team3s" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
>
> > -50%?
> >
> > Sounds rather lean..
> >
> > On Sat, 25 May 2002, Dave and Becky Trent wrote:
> >
> > > Yes.  I installed the 550's, wired the AFC, turned down the MAF signal
> ~50%
> > > and it fired right up and ran fine.  I followed up by using a volt meter
> on
> > > the O2 sensor and dialed in.  Runs like a champ.  It's not uncommon to
> make
> > > a slight re-adjustment in the winter.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > DaveT/92TT

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:48:07 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Japan and Euro Caps

I was looking at the interesting posts on the Japan and Euro version of Caps.  What is the difference between those versions and the
US version which I downloaded a while ago ?

If it is useful, I would be interested in it.  Unfortunately I had to move due to unemployment and could not get broadband where I
am.  Would someone put it on a CD for me ?

It would be greatly appreciated.
Anthony Melillo

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 16:06:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: kimbyrd@webtv.net (Kimberly Byrd)
Subject: Team3S: door weather stripping

I own a 1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT. An unknown person backed into it in the
parking lot at work a couple of weeks ago and left  large dent in the
fender. I have decided to have the entire car painted. I wanted to
replace some weather stripping when I do this. My body shop is having
trouble finding the part. I don't have the part number for it, but it is
the flat piece of rubber that attaches to the door where the window
comes up. It is a wide strip and has a felt-like  backing. It angles
from the car door and lays flat against the window. If you were to drive
with the window down and lay your arm on the window sill, you would be
touching this piece of rubber. Do you guys have any ideas where I can
get this? I am a new 3000 owner and don't have any connections as to
where to get what. Thanks, Kim

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:23:24 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: door weather stripping

> I have decided to have the entire car painted. I wanted to
> replace some weather stripping when I do this. My body shop is having
> trouble finding the part. I don't have the part number for it, but it is
> the flat piece of rubber that attaches to the door where the window
> comes up. It is a wide strip and has a felt-like  backing. It angles
> from the car door and lays flat against the window.

Sounds like the outer window trim on the door.  If that's what you are
describing, then the part numbers should be:

MR153919 for the driver's side
MR153920 for the passenger side

The Part Name Codes are 67436L and 67436R if they ask.

Both should be available from a Mitsubishi dealer.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 22:44:50 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Team3S: OBDII - Online Tuning !

Good news for all OBDII equipped cars (and their owners). I spoke with a
mechanic today that just got from a training for the latest tuning products.
In principle it's easy as it is a box in between the OBDII diagnostic
connector and the serial port of any PC. The box again is connected to
different sensors and optional to the dyno signal output. With the special
software the program IN THE ECU can be altered to the optimal performance.
The external signals are from an exhaust sneeker, pressure, temp, timing
.... The software adjusts the internal paramters of the ECU by itself as
well as some manual changes are easily to be set.

The software looks very complicated and expensive. Trainigns must be taken
to learn how to tune the cars with this tool as it is made for ANY OBDII
car. The onyl drawback is that the software msut find the maps and
additional parameters. Here the makers are not giving any information
,especially not the japaense ones.

At the moment, all european cars are hacked and can be tuned within half an
hour. As an example, an Audi A4 1.8 turbo with 150hp on the dyno got the
program changed on the fly while on the drums and got 185hp at the end
without any problems (intake temp has risen due to lack of intercooling, WI
is on order). Later adjustemnts can be done easily by hooking up the OBDII
Tuner and just changing the paramters on the MAP. The initial tuning for the
A4 cost was $500, half what other known good chip-tuning costs.

The Mitsus and Toyotas are not yet hacked as the demand is very low here.
But for sure there is a tool around for garages (cost is around $8500) that
is able to tune all OBDII cars online without any other changes or opening
anything ! I hope to hear more about our cars sometimes as they are on the
EVO ECU to hack it ;-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OBDII - Online Tuning !

Greddy E-Manage.

<$1000.  Coming soon.

On Sun, 26 May 2002, Roger Gerl wrote:

> Good news for all OBDII equipped cars (and their owners). I spoke with a
> mechanic today that just got from a training for the latest tuning products.
> In principle it's easy as it is a box in between the OBDII diagnostic
> connector and the serial port of any PC. The box again is connected to
> different sensors and optional to the dyno signal output. With the special
> software the program IN THE ECU can be altered to the optimal performance.
> The external signals are from an exhaust sneeker, pressure, temp, timing
> .... The software adjusts the internal paramters of the ECU by itself as
> well as some manual changes are easily to be set.
>
> The software looks very complicated and expensive. Trainigns must be taken
> to learn how to tune the cars with this tool as it is made for ANY OBDII
> car. The onyl drawback is that the software msut find the maps and
> additional parameters. Here the makers are not giving any information
> ,especially not the japaense ones.
>
> At the moment, all european cars are hacked and can be tuned within half an
> hour. As an example, an Audi A4 1.8 turbo with 150hp on the dyno got the
> program changed on the fly while on the drums and got 185hp at the end
> without any problems (intake temp has risen due to lack of intercooling, WI
> is on order). Later adjustemnts can be done easily by hooking up the OBDII
> Tuner and just changing the paramters on the MAP. The initial tuning for the
> A4 cost was $500, half what other known good chip-tuning costs.
>
> The Mitsus and Toyotas are not yet hacked as the demand is very low here.
> But for sure there is a tool around for garages (cost is around $8500) that
> is able to tune all OBDII cars online without any other changes or opening
> anything ! I hope to hear more about our cars sometimes as they are on the
> EVO ECU to hack it ;-)
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> www.rtec.ch

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:55:02 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: FW: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

Anthony,
I think you broke your 1st/2nd gear shift fork.  That's exactly what happened to me (except for the not on it part, I was drag racing ;)).  I took it to a local tranny shop, where they told me I needed 1/2, 3/4, and 5/6 shift forks, 1 & 2 3-piece syncros, and 3, 4, 5, and 6 1-piece synchros, a full bearing kit, and a full seal kit.  I imagine with your low mileage, you probably won't have to replace so many things - I drive my car hard and have 110k on it :)

Good news is Kormex send me the parts 2-day, and shippped them out the day I ordered them.  I guess we must break these things often enough to be an in-stock item :)

Good Luck!
geis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony & Susan [mailto:jetbike@worldlynx.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:20 AM
> To: Stealth Mailing List (E-mail)
> Subject: Team3S: FW: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)
>
>
> Mat,
> I was driving home when I shifted from 1st to 2nd (not on
> it!!!!) heard a
> clunk and it felt like I ran over a pot hole. At the next
> light when I went
> to pull out the RPM'S went up but the car would not move. I
> didn't smell the
> clutch at all. I did get it moving using higher gears (low
> torque no boost)
> At idle it sounds like a scraping as the motor spins. I took it to my
> mechanic. He said when he drained the trans. fluid a lot of
> metal came out.
> That's where I'm at. Kormex said they would let me know what
> broke when they
> get the trans. back. As far as shifting it was smooth through
> all gears and
> that's what I don't understand. What do you think?
>
> Thanx
>
> Anthony
> 93 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:35:56 -0400
From: romachka21@netscape.net (Roman)
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

Thank you very much for the comments.
Just to clear up some confusion I DO have a modded block with forged rods & pistons umong other stuff. I do have a RPS MAX Clutch. The exaust will be moded after the Fuel system and the turbos are inplace, since it is not worth the money for the HP gains. Although I am very tempted since it looks and sounds nice.

I am sorta bumbed out that 720 injectors are $180 and I am not familiar with other Fuel managment systems besides th SAFC wich will not control the 720 injectors.
I completly agree about the data logging capabilities since I do not want to blow up a $12,000 block. I would like to monitor knock sums.

So here it is I think that in order to make the 700 HP I think I should be able to manage with just Air to fuel adjustments "Fuel system of some sort that can manage 720 injectors" Airflow, I would like to see if there is anything else out there besides the ARC to replace the stock Air sensor.

Please comment if I should be monitoring/controling anything else besides the air with AVCR and DR-650 turobs, fuel 720 injectors I would like to pay about $100 per injector If you know the site where I can get them I would realy appreciate that. Fuel Pump, Will the Walbro 255LPH be enough?
Fuel managment system ??? I am completly clueless now since I thought I cauld use SAFC. And a new MAS.

So in the mean time I will order DR-650 turbos wich should be a direct replacement. Just a simple swap nothing needs to be changed just some tweaking to the boost and the Walbor if the list agrees that I can use it with the 720 injectors that I will order with the Fuel Mangement system later.

This should put me into mid 12 sec since I am running 13.2 now.

Please comment on all of the questions since I have several through out the email.

Thank you so much for your input, it is realy helpfull and I know that I will be doing this the correct way now.

Roman G.

"Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com> wrote:

>> You need more than ARC2 for 700Hp, youre
>> gonna wanna go full management.
>> Youve chosen a lofty goal..720cc injectors for sure.
>
>I'd agree... The ARC2 is decent, but would need quite a bit of help to get
>you to 700HP. On a '94 VR4 you don't have any datalogging capability at
>this point, that's something you'll need to solve to achieve a 700HP goal
>with any level of repeatability.
>
>I know I've been hawking it a lot lately, but I'd go with the EFI Systems
>PMS instead. You get much more tweakability than available on the ARC2, you
>get datalogging of the important engine variables (A/F ratio, airflow,
>injector pulsewidth, RPM, boost pressure, timing advance, etc.) and full
>control over fuel and timing in much more granular fashion than you can
>achieve with the ARC2.
>
>The ARC2 is an overpriced toy compared to the PMS. The only benefit it has
>over the PMS is the hotwire airflow sensor, which you could probably
>implement on the PMS later with not much hassle.
>
>Beyond the PMS you've got devices like Haltech, Autronic, Motec, etc. Not
>easy to program, or easy to hook up. The AEM EMS sounds like it could be a
>long wait until it is working properly (it has been vaporware for quite a
>while now), although supposedly they are looking for a fairly stock 3/S in
>southern California for testing (3 weeks without your car and you get a EMS
>for "wholesale").
>
>VPC/AFC is also a possibility but then you are back to not having logging
>for your '94.
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:45:16 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

> So in the mean time I will order DR-650 turbos wich should
> be a direct replacement. Just a simple swap nothing needs to
> be changed just some tweaking to the boost and the Walbor
> if the list agrees that I can use it with the 720 injectors that I
> will order with the Fuel Mangement system later.

The Walbro is a good pump, but not for 720cc injectors.  According to the
charts that Jeff has on his site they look to be good for 450cc injectors or
maybe 550s.  The Supra pump flows better than the Walbro, but probably still
isn't enough to fully use 720s to their full capability.  That's why people
are doing crazy things like putting in dual Supra pumps or dual Walbro pumps
and upgrading their fuel lines and rails and such.

Jeff's site answers tons of these sorts of questions if you dig around long
enough.  A treasure trove of information to be certain!

http://www.stealth316.com

Also don't run more than 13 psi on the DR-650's with stock injectors.  The
stock injectors will be way on the ragged edge, and you'll probably get fuel
cut from time to time at high RPM.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 19:00:55 -0500
From: "Hawkinson's" <bhawkinson@norwaymi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Gutting the pre-cats

Hi all,

I got under my car the other day to check out where and how easy it is to
take off and gut the pre-cats.  I didn't know where the pre-cats were, or
the main cat for that matter! :(  I checked the Archives to see if there was
any help with the process, but to my dismay, there was none that helped out
a great deal.  Any advise or pics on this subject would be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you

Thanks again,

Brent H.
96' Dodge Stealth (Base)
K&N FIPK

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 21:03:45 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gutting the pre-cats

> I got under my car the other day to check out where and how easy it is to
> take off and gut the pre-cats.  I didn't know where the pre-cats were, or
> the main cat for that matter! :(

Non-turbo cars don't have pre-cats, but the main cat is partway down the
exhaust pipe kind of under the car where the seats are mounted.  It is a
rectangular-shaped box in the middle of the exhaust pipe attached with
flanges.  I think it is attached with two bolts on the side towards the
engine and two nuts on the side towards the trunk.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 23:35:48 -0400
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gutting the pre-cats

I believe 96+ or 97+ non-turbos do have precats.. for those of you with
later model nonturbos thinking of doing this.

Omar

- -----Original Message-----
> I got under my car the other day to check out where and how easy it is
to
> take off and gut the pre-cats.  I didn't know where the pre-cats were,
or
> the main cat for that matter! :(

Non-turbo cars don't have pre-cats, but the main cat is partway down the
exhaust pipe kind of under the car where the seats are mounted.  It is a
rectangular-shaped box in the middle of the exhaust pipe attached with
flanges.  I think it is attached with two bolts on the side towards the
engine and two nuts on the side towards the trunk.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 23:41:08 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gutting the pre-cats

Is that why the 97+ SL is rated at 218 HP and 91-96 N/A is listed at 222 HP?

- -mike
97 SL

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:59:03 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

SAFC *CAN* run the 720's. Check the thread called "Can the Apexi SAFC run
550cc injectors?" from three days ago.

Philip

At 17:35 5/26/2002, Roman wrote:
>I am sorta bumbed out that 720 injectors are $180 and I am not familiar
>with other Fuel managment systems besides th SAFC wich will not control
>the 720 injectors.

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:25:17 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

> SAFC *CAN* run the 720's. Check the thread called "Can the Apexi
> SAFC run 550cc injectors?" from three days ago.

That was theoretical data - I don't know anyone personally who was
successful (or happy) with running 720's on a SAFC.  Poor tip-in throttle
response was one of the issues, the other issue was the stock ECU trying to
advance the timing too far since it saw airflow values so low.

Anyone on the list successfully running 720s and SAFC together?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 22:36:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

> That was theoretical data - I don't know anyone personally who was
> successful (or happy) with running 720's on a SAFC.  Poor tip-in throttle
> response was one of the issues, the other issue was the stock ECU trying to
> advance the timing too far since it saw airflow values so low.
- ---
Im of the opinion, that perhaps 720s are difficult to idle well due to the
extremely short injector rates..gotta step up to pintle type (if I
recall).  Also, the timing problem just needs a simple ITC to solve it.
 
> Anyone on the list successfully running 720s and SAFC together?
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 02:59:07 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: [For Sale] Sparco Torino seats

Bill -- Check with the group with which you will be running.  You
usually can use the stock seat with stock seatbelt until a certain Grade
or Class.  For example, I am allowed to use a race seat for the driver
and a stock seat for the passenger since I am still in the Beginner or
Intermediate group.  However, once I move up higher (with my local PCA)
I will be expected to have the same seat style in both positions.

Each group differs with respect to the sporty race seats that also
recline.  Some don't mind, some do not want them used with rollbars as
the recline feature can fail in a crash and you would bump your noggin
into the rollbar, and others want a seatback brace to be installed to
the rollbar so you can not lean back in a crash.

Usually, stock seats are fine with stock restraint systems.  As soon as
you want to put in a race harness then you should start considering race
seats and a rollbar.  It is just like adding 700 hp to the engine and
keeping the stock brakes.  Just ludicrous.  Ya gotta be able to stop so
you need to do things together sometimes.  Not many people buy track
wheels and then put on M+S tires (unless they are learning how to
control the car) but they put on track tires.  Same goes with lots of
other areas too.  720cc injectors?  Gotta upgrade fuel pump.  You get
the idea.

The reclining sport seat is similar to the street hoop "rollbar" that is
not a true rollbar but one that is stylish.  It may look good and be
okay for Autocross but those organizations that are real picky sometimes
will not allow it.  For some reason they would prefer the stock seat
over a sporty seat that reclines.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill vp
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 21:43

Does this mean you cannot use the stock (which reclines) seat, or does
this
apply only to aftermarket seats?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darren Schilberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:25 PM

Just a reminder ... the Torino is not an approved racing seat for those
interested in doing Open Track events or Autocross.  Some groups will
allow this (it tilts back and race-approved or FIA-approved seats are a
fixed recline angle).

Just in case someone didn't see that before they purchased them.  Good
luck.

In case it helps I have a Sparco Evo in my car and I can't mention how
nice it is.  Removable cloth cover for washing, removable back and
bottom cushion for washing or to shrink just that last inch, etc.  I
love them.

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 03:05:43 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Reclining seats and open tracking

Oskar -- I read this one out of order since I was away for the week and
sorted the 120'ish emails by subject.

Refer to the last email I sent (subject of " RE: Team3S: [For Sale]
Sparco Torino seats") where I mention the point about stock seat and
stock restraint systems.

It really just depends on the group you are with.  AutoX is WAY
different than dragstrip and open track.  My first open track I was
required to put the valve stem caps on, open both windows, wear a
helmet, and close the sunroof.  My first experience of a dragstrip
firsthand I got to see cars with windows being mandated to roll their
windows up, helmet not required until under a certain time, sunroof
could be open or removed, etc.

All groups are different so ask the Safety Steward of your local SCCA
AutoX or BMWCCA or Quattro Club or Porsche Club about the rules.  Many
Driver School entrance fees are non-refundable the day of the event so
you do not want to get there and be turned away because your stock seats
are 400 miles away at home.

I was mentioning the reclining seats because someone who might be open
tracking with race harnesses and rollbars might want them.  However, a
reclining seat is not generally allowed when you have a race harness and
a rollbar.  Most of the time they want to see a fixed-recline angle race
seat.  But your club may be different.  I'm just trying to make people
aware who might now know there are different types of race seats.

Thanks for asking.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Oskar Persson
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 00:40
 
I'm curious about this statement as well.  I have never had any problems
using my stock seats at any of the many auto-x and open rack events that
I
have participated in.  Of course they are not approved racing seats.
Darren, is it possible that you can shed some light on this.

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 03:56:36 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Open Track Rain Report

Agreed.  I will have video up soon of some slow laps at the Glen in a
friend's car (my in-car) in the pouring rain and then some of the peanut
butter soup fog where you can't see 400 feet to the corner worker.

Nothing can match the Bridgestone Blizzak for my winter tire.  I live
with black ice, slush, heavy snow, and rarely packed snow so I do not
need the all-out snow tire but something that handles ice and snow and
has grooves or channels for the slush and water on the road.  I tested
this and the road leading out of the neighborhood is quite steep
although I have not measured it before.  I drove halfway up (about 75
feet long is the hill), stopped, waited a few seconds to make sure I was
not sliding backwards, and started up in first gear with no wheel spin.
Man was that nice.  Coming down, slowly, I stopped in the middle of the
hill and just clung to the ground.  That was fun.  I think DesertFox up
in Montana swears by the Pirelli tire for his winter travel but that is
mainly packed snow.

As far as rain tire, the Yokohama A-032 is supposed to be good when new
since it has some sizable tread on it in a very pronounced pattern.  At
the last event I saw car after car with Toyo Proxies (not sure of the
model) and each driver would explain how awesome the tire was.  Those
were rain track tires and rain street tires are the Pole Position I
think or the Aquatread style ones with plenty of channels for water.  At
these times (heavy rain) you are just trying to get around the track and
in damp conditions you are enjoying the AWD capability.

Driver window must always be rolled down on road events to signal when
and where to pass, when you are entering the pits, etc.  Passenger
window is optional usually.  Mix of exhaled air (hot), outside air
(cold), and who knows what else generally makes for fogged windows
requiring heat and/or air conditioning defrost to keep the windows
cleared and opening the windows usually helps too.  If those open
cockpit guys can do it then one open window won't kill you.  Just tape
down a bunch of towels on the floor and next to the seat if you don't
like that much water.

Be mindful of your camera though -- electronics do not always like
water.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 23:11
 
You wont get much water in the car while moving..

And yes, its a freakin blast.

http://www.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/celicas/gt4-sp.zip

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 04:16:21 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

With regards to the SAFC and the ARC2 ... what is the difference that
one can run the 720 cc injectors easily (ARC2) and one that appears to
be able to run them (SAFC)?  I am trying to help tweak a friend's car
and don't have a datalogger yet.

Through a series of Murphy's Law plus a mis-diagnosis we managed to melt
his pistons from detonation and perhaps dieseling because timing was not
correct (and spark plug range was not one to two ranges colder).

In his ARC2 just one click on the Low knob setting makes the car die or
run.  At speed a one click adjustment in the Middle knob setting makes
it run just one LED under stoich on the A/F meter to one LED short of
full Rich condition.  Is this the "tweakability" you talk about Matt
with the PMS vs. the ARC2?  Isn't the SAFC better at tweaking things by
RPM or gear but then it might not be able to handle the 720 injectors,
right?

If the PMS has datalogging capability and the stock ECU or MAS will be
replaced then will the TMO Datalogger (or similar diagnostic port
logger) be useful or will the PMS or other high-end system be able to
give me the info required to tune the car?

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 01:25
 
> SAFC *CAN* run the 720's. Check the thread called "Can the Apexi
> SAFC run 550cc injectors?" from three days ago.

That was theoretical data - I don't know anyone personally who was
successful (or happy) with running 720's on a SAFC.  Poor tip-in
throttle
response was one of the issues, the other issue was the stock ECU trying
to
advance the timing too far since it saw airflow values so low.

Anyone on the list successfully running 720s and SAFC together?

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 04:30:06 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sparco Seats

I like my Sparco Evo and that's that.  As long as you are under about
200 pounds then you will have no problem fitting in them.  Your height
depends on how high off the floor you mount them.  Mine mount low enough
that I can use the armrest in the driver's door comfortably and can
barely see the bumps in the second gen hood.  I think I have it mounted
up one hole on the mounting brackets and then another 2" off the floor.
I can provide pictures if interested.

The Sparco Evo is a fixed-recline angle fiberglass seat weighing
approximately 16 pounds (bathroom scale) and is comfortable for about
2-4 hours.  Longer driving stints require pain killers, towels for lower
back (lumbar) support, another driver, a short rest outside the seat,
etc.

Remember that for any stock seat modification the stock seat belt
retainer (the part you clip your seat belt into ... whatever it is
called) is attached to the stock seat.  If you remove your seat then you
remove the place to attach the seat belt.  You can mount this back to
the tranny tunnel/center console area but I think a junkyard Eclipse or
3/S item would be easier to permanently attach instead of constantly
removing the stock seat belt latch (which has wires to it for the seat
belt indicator on the dash and some other stuff that makes it difficult
to remove from the seat).

Also, in PA it is illegal to try and pass the annual inspection if you
can not use your stock seat belts.  Removal of the race seat prior to
inspection and installation of it again after inspection is necessary.

Anyone within driving distance of Western PA is more than welcome to try
out the seat.  It is on a bracket that allows mounting to the stock
location on a second gen VR-4 but I have not tried it on other models.

Shoot -- I almost forgot about the eBay auction -- that is a good price
but a little high unless they are brand-spanking new.  I bought my set
(one red and one blue) for $800 from England (Subaru list discount and
group buy at the time but we had to add $25 because both were not the
same color).  I think the Blue one is still in the bag and wrapped up.
These included the mounting brackets but we had to fab the bracket to
mount it to the floor.  $875 for two is also a great price for them but
ask me more questions if you have them.  I forget what brands of racing
seats we have in our cars.  Maybe we need another page on Team3S listing
this stuff, where they were from, and the price paid so newbies can get
an idea of a ballpark figure for things.

- --Flash!
www.schilberg.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave and Becky Trent
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 09:42

I've come across a set of new Sparco Evo or Pro 2000 (both fiberglass)
seats
with brackets and shipping for $875 on ebay.  I know Darren has
commented
favorably on his Evo seats.  Anyone care to comment before I pull the
trigger?

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 04:35:22 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: door weather stripping

I think I have the passenger side window weather stripping off of
Mohler's project/track car from about two years ago.  I compared it to
mine when I had the door panel off but mine was not in as bad a shape as
I had thought.  Would this be of help to you or anyone?  I think I have
all but one clip/staple in it but that can be ordered from the dealer
(although they might charge $8 for the piece of metal clip and only $12
for a perfectly intact weather strip).

Let me know what side of the car you need.  From Matt's numbers I would
say it is the MR153920 part.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 16:23

> I have decided to have the entire car painted. I wanted to
> replace some weather stripping when I do this. My body shop is having
> trouble finding the part. I don't have the part number for it, but it
is
> the flat piece of rubber that attaches to the door where the window
> comes up. It is a wide strip and has a felt-like  backing. It angles
> from the car door and lays flat against the window.

Sounds like the outer window trim on the door.  If that's what you are
describing, then the part numbers should be:

MR153919 for the driver's side
MR153920 for the passenger side

The Part Name Codes are 67436L and 67436R if they ask.

Both should be available from a Mitsubishi dealer.

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:48:15 +0200
From: "H. Le Hir" <hlehir@lucent.com>
Subject: Team3S: Gearbox & Transaxle problems

Hi, I got the following problems, and I'm quite puzzled.

Background
Car is a 1992 Stealth RT/TT, 150.000 km (about 90.000 miles)
In good general condition.
Last transmission fluid change was done at the 100.000 / 90.00mi

Problem

It became recently harder & harder to shift from 2dn to 3rd, and I could
hear "low grinding" noises from the gearbox area.

The car was cold (night outside)
I put my stealth on ramps under the front weels.
I crawled under it.

I opened the transaxle refill plug.
Could not feel any fluid in there, medium to strong "rotten fish" smell.

Opened the gearbox refill plug.

Surprise number 1 : The gearbox was under vacuum. When I started to open the
refill plug, I could hear a hissing sound....this sound became louder &
louder as I kept opening the plug. This sound lasted about 20 secs until I
completely removed the plug.

I could feel some fluid.

Actions

I added 12 FlOz of transmission fluid in the transaxle (with some teflon
additives in there...but it's not the discussion point here)
I added 8 FlOz in the gearbox (same as above)

Re-plug everything, went for a test drive.

After a couple hundred meters, I had the strange feeling that the rear tires
were on somethinig very slippery...but this did not last very long.

Kept driving, went back home.
Upon stoppinig, I smelled burning oil, and sure, the undercarriage of the
car was sprayed with hot transmission oil...damm.

I put the car on the ramps, I could NOT locate any leak anywhere (after I
cleaned the area).

I drained about 1flOz of the transaxle case.
Went for a test drive, including some highway drive...no problem, no further
leak that I could see.

Left the car sitting overnight....no oil drops on the floor.

Next day, washed the undercarriage of the stealth (to have it clean)

Went driving for about 100 km (60 miles), on tristy road, and highway.

No further leak that I could locate, no special noise.

The gearbox shifts better than before, and I do not have any grinding noises
anymore.

So....

questions.

- - Is it normal that the gearbox is airtight ?
- - It there any possiblity that I over-filled the transaxle ?
- - Given that the gearbox seems to be airtight....it's NOT possible to have
an
- - Did I damegeg something ?
- - Is that normal that the Stealth is "using/burning/drinking" that much
trans oil in the gearbox / transaxle ?

Any comments ?

TIA, best

Henri

PS: Please reply directly to me, as I'm on the digest, and I do NOT get all
of them

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 06:46:39 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gearbox & Transaxle problems

The trans axel has a vent so it should not be under pressure or
vacuum --- it is not sealed !!!

Did you put in trans fluid or gear lube --- your statement makes
it sound like you put in automatic trans fluid ?!?!?!

Get a manual --- the trans axel should be filled to the bottom of
the fill plug and the fluid should not come out unless you somehow
managed to overfill it. I'd drain the fluid and find out what's in the
trans.

        Jim Berry

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:24:31 +0200
From: "H. Le Hir" <hlehir@lucent.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gearbox & Transaxle problems

>>The trans axel has a vent so it should not be under pressure or
>>vacuum --- it is not sealed !!!

Interesting....do you know where it is....on the top maybe (so it's
impossible to see from under the car ?)

And my gearbox was definitively under a large vacuum. If there's a vent,
then I have a problem in there !

>>Did you put in trans fluid or gear lube --- your statement makes
>>it sound like you put in automatic trans fluid ?!?!?!

Initially, the DEALER changed all the fluids....but I agree with you, the
"rotten fish smell" made me think of burned ATF.....
I re-added trans fluid, NOT ATF

>>Get a manual

I do have the CD-Rom version....and my laptop was with me under the car
while I was working...
I used instructions in section 00 / general Maintenance... now if only the
pics in the manual could be of better quality, and if they could use a small
arrow to show the nose of the car, that would be helpful

>> --- the trans axel should be filled to the bottom of
>>the fill plug and the fluid should not come out unless you somehow
>>managed to overfill it.

It's basically what I did...

>> I'd drain the fluid and find out what's in the
>>trans.

As soon as I find the time to do it...I will do it

Thank you for your help

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:43:49 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

> Through a series of Murphy's Law plus a mis-diagnosis we managed to melt
> his pistons from detonation and perhaps dieseling because timing was not
> correct (and spark plug range was not one to two ranges colder).

Ouch!

> In his ARC2 just one click on the Low knob setting makes the car
> die or run.  At speed a one click adjustment in the Middle knob
> setting makes it run just one LED under stoich on the A/F meter
> to one LED short of full Rich condition.  Is this the "tweakability"
> you talk about Matt with the PMS vs. the ARC2?  Isn't the
> SAFC better at tweaking things by RPM or gear but then it
> might not be able to handle the 720 injectors, right?

Mine wasn't that bad, but I had similar issues with the ARC2 where I just
couldn't get my fuel curve to be just right.  It would have either lean
spots or rich spots, and idle was pretty poor.  The Accel adjustment was too
coarse to allow me to get idling working well - and that was only on 550's.
Maybe newer versions of the ARC2 are better, but I got frustrated and
switched to the PMS.  The car also didn't have very repeatable performance
on the ARC2 - one day it would spin all four wheels and the next day it
would be a dog.  It could've been that I didn't tune it well since I didn't
have any datalogging capability at the time.  It just didn't work in my
situation.

> If the PMS has datalogging capability and the stock ECU or MAS will be
> replaced then will the TMO Datalogger (or similar diagnostic port
> logger) be useful or will the PMS or other high-end system be able to
> give me the info required to tune the car?

The PMS still retains the stock ECU, so if you have a '91-93 car you can
still hook up a TMO datalogger to the diagnostic port and get data on knock
sum.  The PMS has its own logger software that will provide better numbers
on everything else, since the PMS is modifying various things after the ECU
outputs the signals (timing offsets, fuel offsets, etc.).  If you use some
sort of full ECU replacement (like a Haltech or AEM EMS (if they ever
actually make it)) then the diagnostic connector won't be connected to
anything - you'd need to use the aftermarket ECU's software.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:09:45 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help in Making of 700 HP VR-4.

Well, the melted pistons were from a mis-cue on overheating cuz the A/C
condenser was in front of the radiator and a FMIC was in front of that
so we thought it was not getting enough air so we were ready to add some
water and then water wetter to the mix.  We knew something was wrong as
it was in the 60s and still overheating in 5 laps.

We knew that after the three days the water pump, belts, and thermostat
would get checked/replaced.  We had a plain ol' NAPA thermostat ready to
go in (that gave us an additional 10 degrees before opening/shutting)
but never got the chance to put it in.

When I got back from town I saw the front valve cover off and the roller
(rocker arm) from the #1 cylinder's front exhaust valve was not where it
should be.  The rocker arm (the part that the cam pushes down against
the valve spring) was off and lying next to the spring.  That was an
interesting chore getting it back on without the special tool shown in
the manual.  Those valve springs are pretty stiff.

Upon removing the front three spark plugs their electrodes were touching
the ceramic tip of themselves.  There was no shiny part so the piston
did not push them against the spark plug (meaning timing was off or a
timing belt slipped teeth) but the timing could not be advanced enough
(I think max is about 50 degrees BTDC on a first gen) that detonation
occurred as well as probably dieseling.

EGT temps were around 900 Celsius (1,650 F) which got the spark plug
electrode tips so hot that the dieseling and power of the explosion
pushed them against themselves and no spark means no go.

It was fine under 1 bar of boost but when the boost was pushed to 1.5
bar then we saw all these problems.  That's what happens on 720 cc
injectors, 368 turbos, and a powerful engine on stock internals with too
much boost.  I made sure it was never running close to stoich but always
on the rich side under WOT.  Idle was horrible at first but the second
day it was able to idle without intervention.

A fix is on the way with rods, pistons, etc. and I hope to have some
sort of logger by then to help but we'll see.  It was finally fun to
pass that Z06 and Porsche 993 on the straights for a change.  Even the
Viper gave us a point by.  I shall never forget that image.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:44
 
> Through a series of Murphy's Law plus a mis-diagnosis we managed to
melt
> his pistons from detonation and perhaps dieseling because timing was
not
> correct (and spark plug range was not one to two ranges colder).

Ouch!

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:06:56 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: [For Sale] Sparco Torino seats

The PCA is a PITA ---- they seem to be the most restrictive of the
sanctioning organizations. They were talking of [ I don't think they
actually did it ] changing the helmet requirement to Snell 2000 about
a year ago which means you would have to go out and buy a new $300
helmet to run their events !!!! Most require Snell 90 or 95 although the
Snell 90 is starting to fade.

        Jim Berry
==============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>


> Bill -- Check with the group with which you will be running.  You
> usually can use the stock seat with stock seatbelt until a certain Grade
> or Class.  For example, I am allowed to use a race seat for the driver
> and a stock seat for the passenger since I am still in the Beginner or
> Intermediate group.  However, once I move up higher (with my local PCA)
> I will be expected to have the same seat style in both positions.
>
> Each group differs with respect to the sporty race seats that also
> recline.  Some don't mind, some do not want them used with rollbars as
> the recline feature can fail in a crash and you would bump your noggin
> into the rollbar, and others want a seatback brace to be installed to
> the rollbar so you can not lean back in a crash.
>
> Usually, stock seats are fine with stock restraint systems.  As soon as
> you want to put in a race harness then you should start considering race
> seats and a rollbar.  It is just like adding 700 hp to the engine and
> keeping the stock brakes.  Just ludicrous.  Ya gotta be able to stop so
> you need to do things together sometimes.  Not many people buy track
> wheels and then put on M+S tires (unless they are learning how to
> control the car) but they put on track tires.  Same goes with lots of
> other areas too.  720cc injectors?  Gotta upgrade fuel pump.  You get
> the idea.
>
> The reclining sport seat is similar to the street hoop "rollbar" that is
> not a true rollbar but one that is stylish.  It may look good and be
> okay for Autocross but those organizations that are real picky sometimes
> will not allow it.  For some reason they would prefer the stock seat
> over a sporty seat that reclines.
>
> --Flash!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill vp
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 21:43
>
> Does this mean you cannot use the stock (which reclines) seat, or does
> this
> apply only to aftermarket seats?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:25 PM
>
> Just a reminder ... the Torino is not an approved racing seat for those
> interested in doing Open Track events or Autocross.  Some groups will
> allow this (it tilts back and race-approved or FIA-approved seats are a
> fixed recline angle).
>
> Just in case someone didn't see that before they purchased them.  Good
> luck.
>
> In case it helps I have a Sparco Evo in my car and I can't mention how
> nice it is.  Removable cloth cover for washing, removable back and
> bottom cushion for washing or to shrink just that last inch, etc.  I
> love them.

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:18:34 -0500
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

The AFC range is plus or minus 30.  50% of 30=15. 
 
Regards,
DaveT/92TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Cc: "Team3s" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

> You sure, I thought that would be 25%.
>
> On Sun, 26 May 2002, Dave and Becky Trent wrote:
>
> > Sorry, that would be 50% of the available adjustment on the AFC.  If I
> > recall, that equates to ~15% of the actual MAF signal.
> >
> > Regards,
> > DaveT/92TT

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:30:37 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: [For Sale] Sparco Torino seats

Well PCA, as compared to NASA or something, is probably a PITA.  Since
it was my first three DE's then I never saw a difference.  The PCA at
Heartland Park (GPL region I think) mandated a fire extinguisher in the
car.  My region did not mandate this but on my rollbar I had on anyway
(easy to mount) so I did not have a problem with it.

I have not run with the BMW or Quattro or Subaru guys so I don't know
what else is out there.  Just ask the group in charge that you want to
run with and sometimes they will let you squeak by without a race seat
or with a motorcycle helmet or something crazy sometimes.  Just be nice
and ask way ahead of time instead of in Pit lane when you are going out.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax [mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:07

The PCA is a PITA ---- they seem to be the most restrictive of the
sanctioning organizations. They were talking of [ I don't think they
actually did it ] changing the helmet requirement to Snell 2000 about
a year ago which means you would have to go out and buy a new $300
helmet to run their events !!!! Most require Snell 90 or 95 although the
Snell 90 is starting to fade.

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:54:56 -0600
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: I'm Back!

Sorry guys but for about a week and a half my internet has been dead, so I
just got it all running again and was greeted by 1028 new messages! Woohoo.
Anyway here's an update on my 3000gt. Installed my Home Depot MBC. With the
mbc fully closed I'm getting 5 psi of boost across the entire band. (MBC is
not connected to solenoid, its running itself) However, with the mbc fully
open I'm only hitting 9 psi of boost. (Which is still much better than the
~7 psi spike I had at stock settings) I tried taking off the waste gate
hoses, and I blocked them up so the waste gates wouldn't open. Still only
producing 9 psi as I feared. So here's what I believe is the problem, either
the turbos are very screwed up and not able to flow well (previous owner
blew up the rear turbo and shot about a quart of oil through the intake
piping, and when the shop installed a new turbo they neglected to clean out
any of the oil, so it is very possible there is oil gunked up all over my
turbos, however I personally pulled all the piping and cleaned it out by
hand.) OR there is a massive leak somewhere in my intake piping, I'm
beginning to believe this leak is the BOV at about 3500 rpm if I really mash
the throttle in my car makes a "wookie" noise, kind of a strange high
pitched gurgle. Also if I let off the throttle around 1200 rpm my bov makes
a really high pitched doorbell chime noise. So I'm pretty sure it is the
BOV, can anyone think of some other reason I'm only making 9 psi?

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