Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Thursday, May 16 2002    Volume 01 : Number 842




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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:33:01 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Dash board removal...

I have Dash Removal instructions on my website - http://www.daveblack.net

I have detailed instructions and lots of pics (over 35) to help you along
the way.  Jeff Lucius has the dash part diagram listed on his site.  Between
the 2 sources, it should be pretty easy...

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: ek2mfg [mailto:ek2mfg@foxinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:14 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Dash board removal...

Does anybody have any info on removing the dash? I will be doing this
this weekend and any additional info on this would be very
helpfull....maybe a stealth316 type info site?

bobk.
9399R/T
cracked vents going away! new guages and S-AFC going in

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:36:52 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: exhaust & brake question

Some pads are prone to dusting and premature wear if not
properly broken in e.g. heat cycled. In a street environment
you seldom heat the pads to high temps so if you didn't go
out of your way to bring the pads up to temp they may not
be 'seasoned' properly.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
Cc: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>; <jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust & brake question

> By the same token, I dont understand how you can upgrade powerwise, and
> not consider stopping power mods -first-.
>
> The R4-S, I generate very very little dust..even in the Jeep yanking a
> 9000lb trailer cross country.

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:55:05 -0700
From: Michael Gerhard <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust & brake question (Brake Dust)

I upgraded from stock pads (fronts for now) to Porterfield R4S pads. My
first open track time I generated quite a bit of dust. After that, the dust
has been very little.

I have yet to try R4 pads. I'm thinking that I will stay with R4S pads for
a while (my wife says I'd better considering that I just bought 2 more sets
of front pads).

Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:25:23 -0600
From: "Justin Sturgeon" <justinstur@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: ecu rebuild

Does anyone know anything about the AVPRO company that is listed on Jeff's
site that rebuilds our ecu's?  I visited the AVPRO website and I called the
guy on the phone.  His prices seem very low, his website was very
professional, and he sounded competent on the phone.  I was just a little
concerned because he does not except credit cards; only money orders.  Has
anyone dealth with this guy before?
Thanks

Justin Sturgeon
91 Stealth R/T

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:10:41 -0700
From: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust & brake question

Geoff...

My point was that I've found the braking ability of a stock VR4 to be
more than adequate for "normal" driving conditions. The fact that I can
get to freeway speed more quickly than I could when my VR4 was stock in
no way influences the fact that the car stops just as well as it did
when I bought it. I imagine my top speed may have been increased
slightly (due to hp increase and weight reduction) but it's difficult to
maintain 150+mph anywhere in my area of the country. Soooo, having to
stop from 185mph versus 150mph is not the issue. Most "critical events"
are due to driving faster than the flow of traffic and being required to
make either direction or speed adjustments quickly...once. For me, this
is a matter of awareness, reaction time, and training versus needing
bigger rotors and/or calipers.

Open track driving, where the whole "game" is to go as fast as you can
for a very short period of time, then slam on the brakes to prepare for
a corner, then do it again (and again, and again) is a very special (and
artificial) situation and does indeed necessitate upgrading the brake
system.

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:20 AM
To: Chris Winkley
Cc: Willis, Charles E.; jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust & brake question

By the same token, I dont understand how you can upgrade powerwise, and
not consider stopping power mods -first-.

The R4-S, I generate very very little dust..even in the Jeep yanking a
9000lb trailer cross country.

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Chris Winkley wrote:

<snip>

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust & brake question

Of course, im not suggesting that you -need- more, but for most people the
added security that you CAN do severe MPH panic stops in a shorter
distance..is worth the $100 at a minimum..it would cost most people.

Thats all I was saying..just that braking reliability should be towards
the front of any mod list.

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:43:31 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S: vehicle VIN decoding?

Hi all,

I'm looking for general vehicle VIN decoding - not specific to Mitsubishi. 

I.e. I have a VIN, I want to know the make, model, etc.

Anyone know some links?  Thanks.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:59:34 -0700
From: Michael Gerhard <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
Subject: Re: Team3S: vehicle VIN decoding?

My guess is that VINs ARE specific to make. Here is a web site that may help.

http://www.buyclassiccars.com/vin.asp

It has links to sites decoding VINs for various makes.

At 11:43 AM 5/15/02 , you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm looking for general vehicle VIN decoding - not specific to Mitsubishi.
>
>I.e. I have a VIN, I want to know the make, model, etc.
>
>Anyone know some links?  Thanks.
>
>Dave 95VR4
>http://www.daveblack.net

Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Cook <tektronix@linuxpower.cx>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ecu rebuild

I would like to know this also.  I posted this question to 3si and no one
responded.  His prices were better than anywhere else but the money order
to the po box thing scared me away.  If you end up going with him, let me
know how it turns out.

Thanks,
  Chris Cook

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Justin Sturgeon wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about the AVPRO company that is listed on Jeff's
> site that rebuilds our ecu's?  I visited the AVPRO website and I called the
> guy on the phone.  His prices seem very low, his website was very
> professional, and he sounded competent on the phone.  I was just a little
> concerned because he does not except credit cards; only money orders.  Has
> anyone dealth with this guy before?
> Thanks
>
> Justin Sturgeon
> 91 Stealth R/T

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:22:13 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust & brake question

I agree with Geoff.  It's nice to be able to stop on the street and I didn't
find the dusting with the Stillens to be as bad as Chris says, and it washed
off.  The Carbotech pads dust at least as much as the Stillens, but I think
the dust washes off easier.  Don't know about the 4S pads and dust.  Stock
pads work pretty good, especially if you bleed the brake fluid, even though
I have also never had brake fade on the street.  Exchanging the rubber brake
lines for stainless steel goes a long way to giving a firmer feel to the
brakes.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:20 AM
> To: Chris Winkley
> Cc: Willis, Charles E.; jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com;
> Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust & brake question
>
> By the same token, I dont understand how you can upgrade powerwise, and
> not consider stopping power mods -first-.

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:35:45 -0700
From: Rich Fowler <richfowler2@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ecu rebuild

I was looking for ECU rebuild sits and came across www.fulllogic.com  From
their website it looks like they have a $250 special for any Mitsubishi ECU
- - hopefully this works for a 3/S and not only DSMs!

Rich F

on 5/15/02 10:25 AM, Justin Sturgeon at justinstur@hotmail.com wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about the AVPRO company that is listed on Jeff's
> site that rebuilds our ecu's?  I visited the AVPRO website and I called the
> guy on the phone.  His prices seem very low, his website was very
> professional, and he sounded competent on the phone.  I was just a little
> concerned because he does not except credit cards; only money orders.  Has
> anyone dealth with this guy before?
> Thanks
>
> Justin Sturgeon
> 91 Stealth R/T

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:10:49 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Emergency.  Tranny has lost gears.

Well my mechanic is telling me that I need to replace the transmission.  He
said he could change out the fluid and filter but it would stop working in
less than a mile down the road.  I am just unsure about this... See when I
got back the car got into reverse and drive (it took about a second or two
longer to fall into gear though) so maybe I should have them drop it and
just replace whatever is worn down, (clutch packs?)...BUT  the shop is
saying that the parts will run too expensive?  I guess what I'm trying to
get at is has anyone had tranny problems and gotten away with having a shop
rebuild it cheaper than just putting in another one?

The shop has found a "USED" tranny that I can get for $1,000 plus $375
labor.  I thought I remembered someone saying I could find a used tranny for
$5-600.  I will be calling M&S tomorrow, but just wanted to ask if anyone
has one for sale or knows where I can get a quality tranny in the 5-6 range?
It's for a 1991 Stealth SOHC with an Automatic and FWD.   One other
question, are all first gen stealth auto trans. the same?  or do I need to
look for a 91 only?

I just want to make an "Educated" choice, and will take all the advice you
have.

Thanks again list members...

- -Erik

> Now, assuming that the tranny must be rebuilt/replaced, the most important
> thing you can do is once the new/rebuilt tranny is in place, be ABSOLUTLEY
> sure that they use nothing but ATF +3/Type 7176. The Chrysler ATF/Mitsu
> Diamond ATF is the same service grade. It has friction modifiers that will
> let the clutch packs live a proper life, Dexron, Mercon, Type-A, Type-F Do
> not have this friction modifier, and you will be experiencing the same
> problem in a few months. If you are unsure about the fluid they use, flush
> the entire case and put in the ATF +3 yourself, I have blown up 2 trannies
> and now change the fluid every 4 months.
>
> Matt
> 3/Si #311
> '93 R/T
> '00 Intrepid

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:09:00 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Emergency.  Tranny has lost gears.

Sounds like a good time for the manual tranny swap to me...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Erik Petterson
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:11 PM
To: Stealth List
Subject: RE: Team3S: Emergency. Tranny has lost gears.

Well my mechanic is telling me that I need to replace the transmission.
He
said he could change out the fluid and filter but it would stop working
in
less than a mile down the road.  I am just unsure about this... See when
I
got back the car got into reverse and drive (it took about a second or
two
longer to fall into gear though) so maybe I should have them drop it and
just replace whatever is worn down, (clutch packs?)...BUT  the shop is
saying that the parts will run too expensive?  I guess what I'm trying
to
get at is has anyone had tranny problems and gotten away with having a
shop
rebuild it cheaper than just putting in another one?

The shop has found a "USED" tranny that I can get for $1,000 plus $375
labor.  I thought I remembered someone saying I could find a used tranny
for
$5-600.  I will be calling M&S tomorrow, but just wanted to ask if
anyone
has one for sale or knows where I can get a quality tranny in the 5-6
range?
It's for a 1991 Stealth SOHC with an Automatic and FWD.   One other
question, are all first gen stealth auto trans. the same?  or do I need
to
look for a 91 only?

I just want to make an "Educated" choice, and will take all the advice
you
have.

Thanks again list members...

- -Erik

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:23:42 -0400
From: "Robert Booker" <nsubooker@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Emergency.  Tranny has lost gears.

When mine blew, I got them from Talahassee Mitsubishi. The Reman. auto was
under 2 grand, with shipping, and with install, the total job was ~2500. If
you have burned fluid and the first sign was that you were in drive and the
tranny started to slip, you probably have work clutch discs and therefor
will need a rebuild or a new tranny. The end clutch is notoriously bad on
these gearboxes and the DSM A/T guys have a replacement for it, with an
upgraded clutch disc. When and if you replace or rebuild the tranny, look up
the A/T DSM group and see what they say as far as an upgraded end clutch. I
would have done it myself, but right after I blew the last gearbox, I parked
my Stealth until I am done with school and can rebuild everything. Any more
questions, contact me.

Matt
3/Si #311
'93 R/T
'00 Intrepid

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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:30:03 -0700
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help: Car won't start

Chris-

Same here. My spark is weak too. Car still runs great though. And you are
getting fuel? Have you tried taking the "Y" pipe off and spraying starting
fluid straight into the throttle body, then cranking?

****************************************

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Cook [mailto:tektronix@linuxpower.cx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:10 AM
To: Riyan Mynuddin
Cc: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help: Car won't start


Ok...This is what seems OK:

All checked according to Service Manual.  All Tests in manual performed:

- -Spark Plug Wires (resistance is a bit higher than stock, but they've
                   always been as they're magnecores --right?)

- -Ignition Coils:  Both Primary and Secondary resistance w/in spec

- -Power Transistor: Passes service manuals tests

- - B+ at Ignition Coils: Good

- -Camshaft/Crankshaft position sensor (One in the same for '92): Good

- -Engine Coolant Sensor and harness: Good

- -"Engine" Fuse Good

So, I'm beginning to think that either A) My Spark Plugs are really hosed.
B) The ECU I got from Foreignecurepair.com is not good.

I replaced my plugs at 80,000 miles and now I'm at 117,000.  I was going
to do a plug change soon anyway, but is it likely that I can't start the
car due to bad plugs?  When I replaced them, I used the NGK Double
Platinums.  When I put a plug on the block and ground it...sometimes there
is spark, and when there is...It appears very weak.  Not the normal *SNAP*
I'm used to.  What would be causing this...especially since the coils and
power transistor check out fine.
<cut>

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:16:59 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Emergency.  Tranny has lost gears.

And a turbo engine, LOL!

Philip

At 00:09 5/16/2002, cody wrote:
>Sounds like a good time for the manual tranny swap to me...
>
>-Cody

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:54:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn amy <glenn_amy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: AIG Insurance

I'm checking price quotes for car insurance and AIG is
coming in low - real low.  Has anyone had good/bad
experience with this company?

Thanks
Glenn
'93 vr-4 and 3 other cars

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:33:50 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Broken Rotor pix

With the help of Bob Forrest I put up photos from my broken rotor incident.
Go to www.bazillionbooks.com/brokenrotor.htm

Thanks to Bob for shrinking down the pix so the page is easier to load.

Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:43 -0500
From: "Dustin Lenz" <dustin_lenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Team3s:  Variable Resistor Coolant Temp Sensor

I just checked the archives for this but didn't find anything.

While eating crab legs last night, our waiter noticed my VR-4, said he has
an R/T TT, goes to UTI and knows a $1 mod.  He described it as a Variable
Resistor Coolant Temp Sensor which gives approximately 30 HP. I'm like
"yeah, yeah" but I do want to know if and why this would/wouldn't work.

Any comments/explanations?

- -Dustin
Red 97 VR-4
Millenium Falcon Mod, Mouse Mod

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:52:12 -0500
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Team3s:  Variable Resistor Coolant Temp Sensor

I did this once on a different car. It basically fools the ECU into
thinking the coolant is cooler, and runs different fuel and spark curves. I
don't think it works very well.

At 08:45 AM 5/16/02 -0500, Dustin Lenz wrote:
>I just checked the archives for this but didn't find anything.
>
>While eating crab legs last night, our waiter noticed my VR-4, said he has
>an R/T TT, goes to UTI and knows a $1 mod.  He described it as a Variable
>Resistor Coolant Temp Sensor which gives approximately 30 HP. I'm like
>"yeah, yeah" but I do want to know if and why this would/wouldn't work.

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:03:52 -0700
From: Michael Gerhard <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
Subject: DSM (was Re: Team3S: ecu rebuild)

I've been wondering for a while now what DSM stands for. I'm thinking it
relates to the Eclipse/Talon cars. I did a little searching and have yet to
have an answer. I'm applying the old adage that the only stupid question is
one that is never asked.

Thanks.

At 06:35 PM 5/15/02 , you wrote:
>I was looking for ECU rebuild sits and came across www.fulllogic.com  From
>their website it looks like they have a $250 special for any Mitsubishi ECU
>- hopefully this works for a 3/S and not only DSMs!

Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:25:00 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: DSM (was Re: Team3S: ecu rebuild)

... as in Diamond Star Motors? or are you speaking in an abstract sense?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gerhard [SMTP:gerhard1@llnl.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:04 AM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: DSM (was Re: Team3S: ecu rebuild)
>
> I've been wondering for a while now what DSM stands for. I'm thinking it
> relates to the Eclipse/Talon cars. I did a little searching and have yet
> to
> have an answer. I'm applying the old adage that the only stupid question
> is
> one that is never asked.
>
> Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:43:06 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Broken Rotor pix

Looking at the location of your water line in the one picture I would
suspect that it may be a serious contender for the cause, or at least a
contributor to the failure. It's a little hard to tell in the picture but it
sure looks to be aimed right at the area of the rotor where the crack
occurred. That kind of thermal shock in an high stress area could be
your culprit. Of course your propensity to wear them down to the
thickness of a beer can material is an issue also.

        Jim Berry
==================================================

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>

> With the help of Bob Forrest I put up photos from my broken rotor incident.
> Go to www.bazillionbooks.com/brokenrotor.htm
>
> Thanks to Bob for shrinking down the pix so the page is easier to load.
>
> Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:52:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Cook <tektronix@linuxpower.cx>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help: Car won't start

I'm definatly getting fuel.  Havn't tried spraying starting fluid into the
throttle body yet.  But, why should I need to do this.  The car /was/
running fine before all this happened?  Also, any particular starting
fluid better than another.  I don't think I have any Ether left :)

- --Chris

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Riyan Mynuddin wrote:

> Chris-
>
> Same here. My spark is weak too. Car still runs great though. And you are
> getting fuel? Have you tried taking the "Y" pipe off and spraying starting
> fluid straight into the throttle body, then cranking?
> ****************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Cook [mailto:tektronix@linuxpower.cx]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:10 AM
> To: Riyan Mynuddin
> Cc: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Help: Car won't start
>
>
> Ok...This is what seems OK:
>
> All checked according to Service Manual.  All Tests in manual performed:
>
> -Spark Plug Wires (resistance is a bit higher than stock, but they've
>                    always been as they're magnecores --right?)
>
> -Ignition Coils:  Both Primary and Secondary resistance w/in spec
>
> -Power Transistor: Passes service manuals tests
>
> - B+ at Ignition Coils: Good
>
> -Camshaft/Crankshaft position sensor (One in the same for '92): Good
>
> -Engine Coolant Sensor and harness: Good
>
> -"Engine" Fuse Good
>
> So, I'm beginning to think that either A) My Spark Plugs are really hosed.
> B) The ECU I got from Foreignecurepair.com is not good.
>
> I replaced my plugs at 80,000 miles and now I'm at 117,000.  I was going
> to do a plug change soon anyway, but is it likely that I can't start the
> car due to bad plugs?  When I replaced them, I used the NGK Double
> Platinums.  When I put a plug on the block and ground it...sometimes there
> is spark, and when there is...It appears very weak.  Not the normal *SNAP*
> I'm used to.  What would be causing this...especially since the coils and
> power transistor check out fine.
> <cut>

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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:45:29 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Team3s:  Variable Resistor Coolant Temp Sensor

> I did this once on a different car. It basically fools the ECU into
> thinking the coolant is cooler, and runs different fuel and spark curves.
I
> don't think it works very well.

It is actually counter-productive if your car is already getting enough
fuel.  At lower than normal operating temperature coolant the car injects
additional fuel, kinda like a choke.  Since these cars already run pretty
rich in stock form, adding more fuel will decrease power.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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