Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Friday, April 19 2002    Volume 01 : Number 816




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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:14:30 -0400
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Antenna mast

it should just come out. i know that's not what you wanted to here ;)

If it doesnt come out the way your describing, you're going to have to pull
the interior trim and pull the entire unit out, and figure it out from
there. it sounds like the base part of the mast is simply stuck inside the
assembly. Is it the metal base of the mast that wont come out? Or is it the
gear-toothed cable inside that wont come out? If it's the base, it should
come out just pulling hard at the base of the mast (after removing the
collar like you said you have). If it's the cable, you'll likely have to
remove the motor, disassemble it (very messy) and find out what's causing it
to stick. I know after replacing my mast it wouldnt go down all the way..
opening the unit, i found a piece of the old cable that made the new one
appear to be longer then it was when wound up.

Omar
92 r/t

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Wayne
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:53 PM
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Antenna mast

O.K., so what is the trick to getting the old antenna mast out. I've read
several places where it says "simply pull the mast out while the motor is
pushing it up".

Well, i've tried this on several different cars and the mast has NEVER come
out.

In the past, i just learned to live with the faulty antenna.
Now i need to use my car cover, and MUST replace my mast or it will poke a
hole in my cover

I pull on it as hard as i can, rotating it as i pull, and it simply won't
come out.

Yes, i have the trim cap and rubber removed.........

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:21:26 -0600
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Team3S: More new clutch

OK. The new clutch is kick arse. I'm even learning how to drive it again,
smoothly. I've stalled it more times since the clutch was installed than I
had the entire year previously! I've always been a double-clutcher and
rev-matcher so if this VR-4 has made it to 100K miles with the grind from
1st to 2nd on the original clutch, then I'm hoping to milk the tranny for
another 50K or better before messing with syncro replacement.

I don't know if it is because they just cleaned up everything and got it all
back in there just right but aside from the 1st to 2nd crunch, I'd swear
they put a new tranny in there. It shifts smoother now, easier to get into
each gear. And no, they didn't even change the fluids as I had provided them
with 3 quarts of 75-90 and they didn't touch it.

The tranny shop recommends an alignment as soon as possible after having the
tranny pulled. Good idea? I guess I'll just take the opportunity to have an
all wheel alignment done.

Now that I have all my horsepower available once again, brakes seem to be
next on the list. Most of the time, I don't feel any oddness. But sometimes
at high speeds when I hit the brakes, it feels like they might be warped as
I get some vibration in steering. So I'm thinking replace rotors and pads?
Front only or all the way around? Powerslot rotors or the Porterfield cryo
dealies? This is an everyday driver so I'm not looking to turn it into a
race vehicle. And the recommended brake fluid is that Motul Heavy Duty
stuff? Is it DOT 3 or 4? What is in the car now? Should I go with DOT 3 or
4? Looks like brake line kits are around $250? Should I go ahead and do that
if I've taken the time to do the rest of the brakes?

The only odd thing that I've noticed is that I have what appear to be some
stuck pixels on the stereo display in between the digits that display what
CD track is currently playing. It started as just a couple of bright spots
but now is spread to a pencil-eraser sized bright spot. Anybody seen this
weirdness?

- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:51:36 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com>
Subject: Team3S: ECU monitoring boost

Hey folks,
I realize I should know this already, but I don't - hence I'm asking :)  Do our boost/manifold pressure lines go to the waste gate springs directly, or do they go to the ECU which controls boost?  I was under the impression that the ECU was controlling boost, but then I realized other cars made it a purely mechanical thing (until you install a boost controller).  Which way do our cars function?

TIA,
geis

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:58:23 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ECU monitoring boost

The ECU controls the amount of boost seen by the wastegates by
actuating a solenoid that, when open, bleeds off air from the wastegate
lines.  The ECU determines the solenoid duty cycle based on things like
airflow, air temp, knock, RPM, barometric pressure, and other stuff.
However, AFAIK, the ECU doesn't actually *read* the pressure in the manifold
- - it calculates it based on the above parameters. 

Thus if you want to datalog boost, you need to install a MAP sensor
or something else that lets you record boost.  I have a GM 3-bar MAP sensor
(0-5V) in my VR-4 that I use for my water injection system and it works
great... or at least it did before my car decided to get intimate with a
concrete wall :(

- --Erik

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:00:37 EDT
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Air Conditioning

Bob:

I had the same problem in my car last summer (1991 Dodge TT); I called the
local mitsubishi dealer, horrified to guess what an R-12 recharge was going
to cost.  However, I was in luck!

    Our cars can be retrofitted and recharged with R-134a, the ozone-friendly
coolant.  The cost for the retrofit and refill at my local mitsubishi dealer
was about $140, with labor and parts.

    supposedly, the R-134a coolant isn't as efficient as R-12 (about 80%
efficient), but it saved me a bundle, and it works just fine (for reference,
I live in CT, and we had a few 100-plus degree days here last year, and I had
cold air the whole time).

    Once the car is retro-fit, you can buy the 134a canisters at NAPA or
whatever your local car parts store is for about $3 a pound, instead of $150
per pound for R-12 (R-12 also requires a license to purchase, if you can find
it).

best of luck

- -thor

p.s. - I want to thank jeff lucius for leading me to Auto and Truck
Electronics in FLA, they're working on my ECU.  Good call, Jeff!

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:59:26 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Best new Clutch Break-In method???

The new RPS Max Street clutch was installed today in my '94 Stealth.  What's
the best way to break it in?  How many miles are recommended for me to
"baby" it?  What conditions - highway, stop-and-go traffic?  TIA for your
suggestions...

Best,

Forrest

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:14:17 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Dave,

If he is going to design a special tank maybe he could make it a
shape that would fit our cars better.
Any chance ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Black, Dave (ICT) [mailto:dblai@allstate.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:22 PM
To: 'Floyd, Jim'
Cc: Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Yes, in fact the kit my neighbor is designing will be a bullet-proof tank
and unlike the typical BBQ tank.  The valve connectors are protected also.
No offense to Matt at all but they took one look at DR's kit and said they
wouldn't even think about installing it.  It doesn't even have a pressure
release.  So, in a car on a HOT day you are just building pressure even
though the tanks are able to be filled to only 80% because of special safety
filler valves.  My neighbor's system has an automatic vent to atmosphere
safety feature much like that for purging NOS tanks.

I hae seen his race car and it is full quality and has dual fuel capability
- - regular fuel, both, or pure propane.  He said the performance difference
between running pure propane and regular fuel is like black and white -
propane blows regular fuel away.  He estimates about 650-700hp in the car
now and hasn't yet installed NOS.  Next year he's bullet-proofing the
engine, tranny, and diff. and hopes for in excess of 1000hp or about a mid
to low 9 second car!

I will be with him at the track when he runs it in the 1/4 in several weeks.
Should be pretty cool!

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Floyd, Jim [mailto:Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:15 AM
To: 'Roger Gerl'; Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Are there any tanks available other than the ones used for camping ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl [mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:35 PM
To: Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Another one driving around with a bomb on board. For track purposes yes, but
on the streets, ....

Sorry, I think this stuff is too dangerous when the bottle is opened in a
driving car. Just my opinion.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

> This topic is being expanded from a very hot thread on 3Si.  My neighbor
> owns a company called "Fire 'em Up" that specializes in propane and
> conversions to either full propane or adding propane injection.  I know
that
> Dynamic Racing is currently selling Propane Injection kits.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:30:28 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU monitoring boost

A small correction to the comments below. 1996 and later 3000GTs have a MAP
sensor (0 to 5 volts). As far as I know, it is for emissions use only (to
confirm proper EGR operation) and the ECM still calculates "boost" for the
meter. Still, it could be used by the operator to monitor boost or for a WI
system.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
To: "'Geisel, Brian'" <Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com>; "Team 3S list"
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: ECU monitoring boost

The ECU controls the amount of boost seen by the wastegates by
actuating a solenoid that, when open, bleeds off air from the wastegate
lines.  The ECU determines the solenoid duty cycle based on things like
airflow, air temp, knock, RPM, barometric pressure, and other stuff.
However, AFAIK, the ECU doesn't actually *read* the pressure in the manifold
- - it calculates it based on the above parameters. 

Thus if you want to datalog boost, you need to install a MAP sensor
or something else that lets you record boost.  I have a GM 3-bar MAP sensor
(0-5V) in my VR-4 that I use for my water injection system and it works
great... or at least it did before my car decided to get intimate with a
concrete wall :(

- --Erik

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:48:07 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale

An FYI...

Just wanted to let everyone know I just spoke with Ron (the new parts
manager) at Libertyville Mitsubishi in IL about parts and he has agreed to
sell to 3Si members for wholesale cost.  Their number is 847-816-6660.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:00:54 +0000
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Subject: Team3S: Need help asap - safety concern

Hey guys -

  This is sort of important. I need to drive from
michigan to chicago tomorrow (~300miles) and I need to
know if it's safe to do so.

  I think I have a bad wheel bearing. Symptoms:
1. I can hear a wobling sound at higher speeds (say
40+). I can't pinpoint where it's coming from - it just
seems to fill the car.

2. Just now I noticed a high pitched sound coming from
the front. Now normally i'd think it's a belt noise,
BUT... It's only there when the car is moving and I can
only hear it from the driver front wheel (i had someone
drive as i listened). What I don't understand about
that is the fact that the sound seems to be an on/off
type deal. The second the car starts moving, it
appears. Also it doesn't seem to get louder as the car
moves faster. It just goes on and stays on at the same
pitch and volume until the car stops.

Ideas? I need to drive home and need to know if the car
will last that long. I don't want a wheel coming off on
the highway @ 80mph.

Once i get home I can park it and fix it, but not until
then.

thanks,

  Alex.

'95 Vr4

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:09:07 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: EGR mod was ECU monitoring boost

What improvement is gained by sealing off the EGR with a plate ?
I understand it is a mod that GT Pro does.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius [mailto:jlucius@stealth316.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU monitoring boost

A small correction to the comments below. 1996 and later 3000GTs have a MAP
sensor (0 to 5 volts). As far as I know, it is for emissions use only (to
confirm proper EGR operation) and the ECM still calculates "boost" for the
meter. Still, it could be used by the operator to monitor boost or for a WI
system.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
To: "'Geisel, Brian'" <Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com>; "Team 3S list"
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: ECU monitoring boost

The ECU controls the amount of boost seen by the wastegates by
actuating a solenoid that, when open, bleeds off air from the wastegate
lines.  The ECU determines the solenoid duty cycle based on things like
airflow, air temp, knock, RPM, barometric pressure, and other stuff.
However, AFAIK, the ECU doesn't actually *read* the pressure in the manifold
- - it calculates it based on the above parameters. 

Thus if you want to datalog boost, you need to install a MAP sensor
or something else that lets you record boost.  I have a GM 3-bar MAP sensor
(0-5V) in my VR-4 that I use for my water injection system and it works
great... or at least it did before my car decided to get intimate with a
concrete wall :(

- --Erik

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:13:22 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGR mod was ECU monitoring boost

You get a cleaner and cooler intake charge and with it more power.  The EGR
system stands for Exhaust Gas Recirculation.  When you seal off the EGR with
a plate, you neutralize the system.  No more exhaust gas is recirculated
into your intake.  You also end up with higher emissions and a car that is
not street legal.  Just like gutting the pre-cats, there is no way to detect
this until you go in for an emissions test.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:09 PM
Subject: Team3S: EGR mod was ECU monitoring boost

> What improvement is gained by sealing off the EGR with a plate ?
> I understand it is a mod that GT Pro does.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:23:17 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need help asap - safety concern

Alex.

I would say park it unless you know exactly what it is and it is not
critical (like a warped rotor).  A rental car is only $30 per day and
puts your life in no danger.  I would say it is safer to not drive it
... at least not that far.  If you're real stuck on driving it then
borrow a fellow MI 3/S car for the trip or let them drive you.  =)

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 18:01
 
Hey guys -

  This is sort of important. I need to drive from
michigan to chicago tomorrow (~300miles) and I need to
know if it's safe to do so.

  I think I have a bad wheel bearing. Symptoms:
1. I can hear a wobling sound at higher speeds (say
40+). I can't pinpoint where it's coming from - it just
seems to fill the car.

2. Just now I noticed a high pitched sound coming from
the front. Now normally i'd think it's a belt noise,
BUT... It's only there when the car is moving and I can
only hear it from the driver front wheel (i had someone
drive as i listened). What I don't understand about
that is the fact that the sound seems to be an on/off
type deal. The second the car starts moving, it
appears. Also it doesn't seem to get louder as the car
moves faster. It just goes on and stays on at the same
pitch and volume until the car stops.

Ideas? I need to drive home and need to know if the car
will last that long. I don't want a wheel coming off on
the highway @ 80mph.

Once i get home I can park it and fix it, but not until
then.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:23:45 +0000
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale

Interesting... I've had several dealings with these
people (i live 10 minutes away and bought my car
there). They didn't strike as very friendly. Some bad,
bad experiences.

So will they do that for all parts? If i have them do
something for me, will they still charge me wholesale?

  Alex.

'95 Vr4 (bought from satan)
> An FYI...
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know I just spoke with Ron (the new parts
> manager) at Libertyville Mitsubishi in IL about parts and he has agreed to
> sell to 3Si members for wholesale cost.  Their number is 847-816-6660.
>
> Dave 95VR4
> http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:26:01 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale

It appears to be about 33% off - at least from the list prices and parts I
was quoted. 

For example:

brake fluid resovoir cap - list ($8.50) - his price ($5.66) = 33% off
underhood insulation - list ($54.86) - his price (36.58) = 33% off

Better than any other place I know of.  Let's see if their parts service can
live up to that of Tallahassee Mitsu.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark W. Hindelang [mailto:hindelan@msu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:16 PM
To: stealth@stls.verio.net
Subject: RE: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale

Whole sale... So is this more than the 25% off?

Mark


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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:27:44 +0000
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need help asap - safety concern

I would, but unfortunately it's not an option. I'm up
in michigan for school. I need to get my car back home,
and I need to bring a whole bunch of sh*t home. Plus
I'm not 25, so I can't get a rental.

Thanks for the suggestion, tho

  Alex.
> Alex.
>
> I would say park it unless you know exactly what it is and it is not
> critical (like a warped rotor).  A rental car is only $30 per day and
> puts your life in no danger.  I would say it is safer to not drive it
> ... at least not that far.  If you're real stuck on driving it then
> borrow a fellow MI 3/S car for the trip or let them drive you.  =)
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:29:08 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale

There is a new parts manager there - Ron.  Very nice guy.  Seems very
willing to work with our group.  Seemed to indicate that this would be his
standard price discount for 3Si members.  Wholesale on the parts I just
ordered came out to about 33% off list price.

Funny thing is that about 6 months ago I talked to the old parts manager and
he had no interest in any type of discount.  Ron seemed to indicate that was
a reason that he's no longer there.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: apedenko@attbi.com [mailto:apedenko@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:24 PM
To: Black, Dave (ICT)
Cc: 'stealth@starnet.net'; Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale

Interesting... I've had several dealings with these
people (i live 10 minutes away and bought my car
there). They didn't strike as very friendly. Some bad,
bad experiences.

So will they do that for all parts? If i have them do
something for me, will they still charge me wholesale?

  Alex.

'95 Vr4 (bought from satan)

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:33:43 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: More new clutch

Paul,

   Congrats.  Get that G-Tech I sold you to use and give us some
numbers, man.  Can't help you on the pixel display though.
   As for brakes, just go with stock solid Porterfield (the Mohler
special) and Porterfield R4 pads all around (again, from Mohler).  Good
basic performance, minimal dusting, good life.  Slotted or drilled are
for running in the rain when you need to get all that water off the
rotor before the pads will work.  It is a waste for daily driving.
   Cryo-treating will get them to last longer but it is an unproven
science unless someone with a brake dyno can verify this for us.  The
$40 per rotor is best spent purchasing stock rear pads or applying to
pads in general.  Stock rotors should last you a year or two depending
on driving style.  You can get the non-cryo ones turned anywhere.  I've
had some brake shops balk at me cuz they broke a turning bit or had to
take several passes since it was a little harder than normal.
   SS brake lines just make the pedal firm from application to the
floor.  The lines do not stretch (as much) and pedal feel is firm and
solid.  If you do this with everything else then you will not know how
it felt differently.  If you wait until you put pads and rotors on and
get used to those then you will know.  But it is proven then increase
brake feel and have less pedal travel.  My Goodridge ones came with my
Big Reds but I think they are down around $200 now.  I think 3SX
Performance had them in colors even (but not Goodridge brand).
   Brake fluid?  I use Motul 600 (also a Mohler special) just because it
eliminated any possibility that the brake fluid is degrading under
normal use.  It is the same DOT as stock (www.motul.com then Products
then Racing then Car then Brake Fluid then RBF 600 Factory Line).  It is
DOT 4 which works with DOT 3.  Don't get into the DOT 5 cuz then you
have DOT 5.1 and people might mix those up.  No, I have not done that
before.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
www.schilberg.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:41:02 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale - 33% off!

I just spoke with Ron again and he confirmed that the discount stands at
wholesale which equates to 33% off!  Essentially, the cost is the same that
a repair shop would pay to get parts from them.

He is going to speak to the Service Manager, Victor Kelly, about arranging a
discount off of service.  Although I must say that the ratings in my
database
(http://www.daveblack.net/asp/ProcessSurvey.asp?DealerID=187&ShowAll=1)  for
Libertyville Mitsu's service do not rate very highly.

Best damn deal around! 

Their contact info is: phone 847-816-8660 - fax 847-816-6664.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:41:14 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need help asap - safety concern

You CAN get a rental but you pay a slightly higher price.  Usually
airports have this all the time but I don't know about your area.

Don't you have any friends who just enjoy driving 300 miles in their car
who can drive you places?  Sounds like you need some new friends who do.
<g>

Good luck regardless.

Aren't U-Haul trucks about $50 a day and give you about 200-250 miles
base?  Somehow I don't think I'm helping you, Alex.

- --Flash!

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:43:50 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Jim,

I'm sure that would be the case - I guarantee it will not be a BBQ propane
tank.  The entire setup will be a professionally done custom job for our
cars.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Floyd, Jim [mailto:Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Dave,

If he is going to design a special tank maybe he could make it a
shape that would fit our cars better.
Any chance ?

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:49:18 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Tell him I said thanks already.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Black, Dave (ICT) [mailto:dblai@allstate.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:44 PM
To: Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Propane Injection Kit supplier!

Jim,

I'm sure that would be the case - I guarantee it will not be a BBQ propane
tank.  The entire setup will be a professionally done custom job for our
cars.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:01:50 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need help asap - safety concern

If you want to know what's safe, the answer is park it now.  That aside, let's answer your question :)  I drove 600 mi from Mass to Pittsburgh, PA with a bad wheel bearing, and no problem.  It was probably actually bad for a while before that.  I apparently screwed it up pretty bad doing that, but I had no problems with it.  Yes, I did average speed around 85 or so.  I guess it may depend on how long it's been doing it and how willing you are to risk it.  I'm also under 25, and my answer is usually: Go for it!  :-D

Use the previous advice at your own risk ;)

geis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: apedenko@attbi.com [mailto:apedenko@attbi.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 6:01 PM
> To: team3s@team3s.com
> Subject: Team3S: Need help asap - safety concern
>
>
> Hey guys -
>
>   This is sort of important. I need to drive from
> michigan to chicago tomorrow (~300miles) and I need to
> know if it's safe to do so.
>
>   I think I have a bad wheel bearing. Symptoms:
> 1. I can hear a wobling sound at higher speeds (say
> 40+). I can't pinpoint where it's coming from - it just
> seems to fill the car.
>
> 2. Just now I noticed a high pitched sound coming from
> the front. Now normally i'd think it's a belt noise,
> BUT... It's only there when the car is moving and I can
> only hear it from the driver front wheel (i had someone
> drive as i listened). What I don't understand about
> that is the fact that the sound seems to be an on/off
> type deal. The second the car starts moving, it
> appears. Also it doesn't seem to get louder as the car
> moves faster. It just goes on and stays on at the same
> pitch and volume until the car stops.
>
> Ideas? I need to drive home and need to know if the car
> will last that long. I don't want a wheel coming off on
> the highway @ 80mph.
>
> Once i get home I can park it and fix it, but not until
> then.
>
> thanks,
>
>   Alex.
>
> '95 Vr4

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:11:01 -0700
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need help asap - safety concern

At 10:00 PM 4/18/02 +0000, apedenko@attbi.com wrote:

>Once i get home I can park it and fix it, but not until
>then.

Sounds like you already have your mind made up............

Although another option would be to have it towed.
It's probably pretty expensive, but after all, what is your car (or your
life) worth to you?

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:14:16 -0500
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Team3S: FOR SALE:  2 sets of wheels, 1 set of tires

For Sale: Enkei RP0-1 with or w/o p265 Z rated Pirellis
For Sale: Nearly new lightweight Enkei RP0-1
17 x 9. Pirelli 700 Z rated P265 40's mounted and
balanced. Less than 2000 miles on the set. Flawless.

I would like to sell them as a package but I can use the tires
myself in the future so I'm willing to sell just the wheels unless
someone wants the wheels and tires.

The Enkei RP0-1 in 17 x 9 weighs 19-20 lbs

Enkei RP0-1 wheels only : $599 + shipping
[allow 2 days after payment is received/verified to dismount tires]

with Pirelli Z rated 265 tires : $999 + shipping [entire package - mounted,
balanced and ready to bolt on and drive]

Any buyer who wants the wheels AND the tires [full package] will receive
precedence.

Email: tds@brightok.net

More pics on my website at: http://www.brightok.net/~tds
I can also take additional digital pics if requested.

Wheel set # 2:

I have a set of Adoniz Z-3's

They are forged, Japanese made and no longer available in the US.
These are top of the line wheels - 17 x 9 more for show but
do weigh slightly less than stock wheels.  5 spoke stars.
Also fit 300ZX.

Low mileage and excellent condition.

Pics, info and pricing is available on my website at:

http://www.brightok.net/~tds/sale.html

PayPal, check, money order etc

- - Todd

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:32:47 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGR mod was ECU monitoring boost

dakken wrote:

> You get a cleaner and cooler intake charge and with it more power.  The EGR
> system stands for Exhaust Gas Recirculation.  When you seal off the EGR with
> a plate, you neutralize the system.  No more exhaust gas is recirculated
> into your intake.  You also end up with higher emissions and a car that is
> not street legal.  Just like gutting the pre-cats, there is no way to detect
> this until you go in for an emissions test.

The EGR valve is closed as soon as you start boosting (otherwise boost
would leak out through the EGR system), so in reality this mod does
nothing other than make your car pollute more when cruising around when
power doesn't matter anyway (since you are limiting power output with
your right foot).  It may* keep the plenum portion of the intake a
little cleaner, but a very thin layer of carbon in there isn't going to
affect anything.

Hopefully those plates don't cost more than $1.  You can make them out
of a pop can if you are intent on doing it for some reason.

It isn't going to hurt anything, but expecting a performance gain out of
it isn't realistic.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:55:01 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGR mod was ECU monitoring boost

The only pro by doing this is that the intake plenum is not heated up
anymore due to the hot air traveling the channel to the EGR valve. Nothing
else, no more power at all as the valve closes in closed loop operation !

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

> You get a cleaner and cooler intake charge and with it more power.  The
EGR
> system stands for Exhaust Gas Recirculation.  When you seal off the EGR
with
> a plate, you neutralize the system.  No more exhaust gas is recirculated
> into your intake.  You also end up with higher emissions and a car that is
> not street legal.  Just like gutting the pre-cats, there is no way to
detect
> this until you go in for an emissions test.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:58:33 -0400
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: Mod Suggestions

Hello! Ever since I rode in my buddy's '95 VR4 as he smoked a Camaro
SS(which is the cream of the crop as far as Camaros go), I've wanted one
myself. Well, I just bought a 1994 Black VR4. Aside from really expensive
spark plugs and wires, the car is bone stock. I will be modifying it this
summer when I get back to it (it's parked in Texas while I'm up here in NY).
I have $1500 for this, maybe $2000 if I sacrifice a few weekends worth of
partying down in South Padre Island :) Anyways, being that I am new to these
cars, I wanted to ask all the "veteran" owners here what they suggest for
modifcations. My goal is to get the car somewhere in the 400HP range,the
more the better :) Can this be done with my budget? Thanks in advance.

- -ROD

P.S. I can't remember who it was, but whoever suggested checking out the
wheel bearings for the rumbling noise my car was making, thanks alot. You
saved me a bundle, as I was just going to buy the whole axle. My brother
took the car in to check the bearings, and sure enough the rear ones were
going bad. I had him replace the bearings on all 4 wheels and he said the
noise is gone. Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:01:48 -0500
From: "michael sweet" <msweet@neb.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: engine dress up

Hey all,

I'd like to dress up my engine so it looks nice and pretty, but I'm not sure
what products are available. I have a 1993 Stealth ES. Anyone have
suggestions?

Thanks!
Michael

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:07:24 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: rear wiper annoyance!

Most of the time, my rear wiper skips across the hatch glass instead of
cleaning it nice and smooth. ive put on new wipers, tightened every both i
can think of. . but still no luck, and its getting pretty screechy on my ears
after 2 years. any1 have any suggestions?

mike-
97 SL

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:47:54 EDT
From: DonBrando36@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: cooling engine  

has anyone thought about having our engine fan stay on all the time?  Wouldnt
that help our performance alittle bit?  Would the fan burn out if we did
that? How would it be able to stay on all the time, any electrical experts? 
Or what about a 160 degree thermistat?

brandon
93 3000GT n/a

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:56:19 -0400
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rear wiper annoyance!

What brand of wipers are you using?  I've had very little chatter with Bosch
MicroEdge.  They cost a bit more than most, but the squeegee quite nicely.
Also, the cleaner your window, the less chatter you'll have.  Try giving it
a really good cleaning.

Dennis Moore
93 Stealth ES

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: Team3S: rear wiper annoyance!

Most of the time, my rear wiper skips across the hatch glass instead of
cleaning it nice and smooth. ive put on new wipers, tightened every both i
can think of. . but still no luck, and its getting pretty screechy on my
ears
after 2 years. any1 have any suggestions?

mike-
97 SL

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:01:15 -0700
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rear wiper annoyance!

I removed the arm and motor, and put a rubber body plug in the hole.
Rain-X does the rest..........

At 09:07 PM 4/18/02 -0400, M3000GTSL84@aol.com wrote:
>Most of the time, my rear wiper skips across the hatch glass instead of
>cleaning it nice and smooth. ive put on new wipers, tightened every both i
>can think of. . but still no luck, and its getting pretty screechy on my ears
>after 2 years. any1 have any suggestions?

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:38:44 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mod Suggestions

Needless to say ... how many miles are on it, how hard was it driven,
etc?  Get a mechanic to look it over and yes this will cost $200 but a
good shop will know if the clutch needs replaced, water pump has been
changed, etc.  If not then that is $500 that you will need for the 60k
or the 100-120k tune-up.

And before we go further you will soon realize that at times not many
cars can hold a candle to us and other times we get toasted on the track
by a Honda Civic on slicks.  Just pick your battles wisely.  If you were
ever to take your stock VR-4 to a Camaro SS on a rainy day then you
would have him easy.  Take him on a dry day through twists and turns and
you will smoke him something fierce.  When you want to have fun then
spend $300 on a High Performance Driving Event and get some professional
instruction.  Then you will be able to smoke modded 5.0 Mustangs, C5
Vettes, Trans-Ams, Camaros, etc. quite easily (depending on the
situation of course).

Then there is the infamous 2nd gear synchro that will start grinding or
the entire tranny sometimes.  That can be up to $5,000 for a whole
remanufactured rebuild unless you get parts from places like Kormex.
Visit Jeff Lucius' page (www.stealth316.com) for the most comprehensive
pages for our cars.

You need to save your money I say and sit on the car until you find out
what does not work on it (transmission is expensive, the AWD and
suspension components get pricey, any work in the engine since you have
two of many components).

To be blunt, no it can not be done on that budget.  The veteran can do a
lot of mods on their own that takes a new person some money before they
learn how to do it.  If you have a great shop who won't gouge you for
price then yet it is possible but it will most likely just be a boost
controller (up to about 15 psi or adding roughly 60 hp) and a straighter
exhaust and gutting some pre-cats.  That will add another 50-75 hp maybe
and get you near 400 hp and still be mostly stock.

I would just say start meek and get some good tires, you got spark plugs
and wires, make sure belts, water pump, tranny, clutch, and flywheel are
all in sound shape.  Getting one done might cost $500 but once it works
then it will run strong for at least 60k.  You MUST either have a
warranty on these cars or have some cash lying around for when something
breaks.  Remember that a tow means a flatbed with all 4 wheels off the
ground (for the AWD folks) and that gets pricey itself.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
www.schilberg.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rodriguez, Elpidio x35617d1
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 20:59
 
Hello! Ever since I rode in my buddy's '95 VR4 as he smoked a Camaro
SS(which is the cream of the crop as far as Camaros go), I've wanted one
myself. Well, I just bought a 1994 Black VR4. Aside from really
expensive
spark plugs and wires, the car is bone stock. I will be modifying it
this
summer when I get back to it (it's parked in Texas while I'm up here in
NY).
I have $1500 for this, maybe $2000 if I sacrifice a few weekends worth
of
partying down in South Padre Island :) Anyways, being that I am new to
these
cars, I wanted to ask all the "veteran" owners here what they suggest
for
modifcations. My goal is to get the car somewhere in the 400HP range,the
more the better :) Can this be done with my budget? Thanks in advance.

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:00:12 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: engine dress up

Silicone vacuum hose kits.  Some are available from HostTechniques
(www.hosetechniques.com) and some from Summit Racing and others are buy
what length you need and DIY.

That makes it look fantastic but it is a little back-breaking as you are
constantly leaning over the car and working on hoses that are 8 years
old and really stuck on well.

I did just about a third of my engine this way and it looks sharp (spark
plug wires are red from Magnecor and then silicone lines on coolant
overflow tube, covering cruise control cable/throttle cable area, things
like windshield washer hoses, etc.  Do only low pressure or vacuum
hoses.  Do not replace ones like the PCV or brake booster hose as these
have check valves in them and will not work with a simple hose.

Other things that are common are cleaning and then painting or powder
coating the plenum, the front spark plug plate cover, etc.  If you get
hold of Gathering pages then you can get a good assortment of what
people do to their engines.  East Coast is a good one for example,
www.geocities.com/ecg2k1hooters/, as it has a good selection of stock,
modded, partly modded, etc. cars.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: michael sweet
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 21:02

I'd like to dress up my engine so it looks nice and pretty, but I'm not
sure
what products are available. I have a 1993 Stealth ES. Anyone have
suggestions?

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:14:34 -0700
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rear wiper annoyance!

Here's a great tip - clean the window with OOOO steel wool. It won't
scratch. Use windex or similiar stuff as a lubricant. You won't believe how
clean the window will be.

Andy
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis and Anita Moore <stealth@quixnet.net>
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: rear wiper annoyance!

>What brand of wipers are you using?  I've had very little chatter with
Bosch
>MicroEdge.  They cost a bit more than most, but the squeegee quite nicely.
>Also, the cleaner your window, the less chatter you'll have.  Try giving it
>a really good cleaning.
>
>Dennis Moore
>93 Stealth ES

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:15:21 -0700
From: Rick Pierce <piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: engine dress up

There's a great guy on 3Si who does both powdercoating and polishing of the
Valve Cover, Plenum and other related parts - name is Dave Best (IIRC Dave
is on this board at times as well).  I was the first one to have him do the
powdercoating option - I chose "bright red" to match the Caracas Red of my
VR - came out perfect ( I get compliments on it all the time).  He's quite
reasonable for both if you don't have the time, tools or artistic talent (I
only have the tools).

Here's his link: http://web.tmos.org/~afortier/DBest/

Michael - e-mail me off-line if you want a picture, but I think Dave's site
has all you should need

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "michael sweet" <msweet@neb.rr.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 6:01 PM
Subject: Team3S: engine dress up

> Hey all,
>
> I'd like to dress up my engine so it looks nice and pretty, but I'm not
sure
> what products are available. I have a 1993 Stealth ES. Anyone have
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
> Michael

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:09:17 -0400
From: "MB" <profilevr4@nj.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Front wheel stud replacement question.

Has anyone ever replaced any of the wheel studs on the front wheels
themselves, particularly on a VR4.

I was just wondering what's involved. Can I do it with the hub assembly on
the car or does it require require removal and dissassembly?

Thanks in advance,
Michael Bulaon

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:43:09 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale - 33% off!

I made a typo in the phone number in the last email - their number is
847-816-6660.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Black, Dave (ICT)
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:41 PM
To: 'stealth@starnet.net'
Cc: Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale -
33% off!

I just spoke with Ron again and he confirmed that the discount stands at
wholesale which equates to 33% off!  Essentially, the cost is the same that
a repair shop would pay to get parts from them.

He is going to speak to the Service Manager, Victor Kelly, about arranging a
discount off of service.  Although I must say that the ratings in my
database
(http://www.daveblack.net/asp/ProcessSurvey.asp?DealerID=187&ShowAll=1)  for
Libertyville Mitsu's service do not rate very highly.

Best damn deal around! 

Their contact info is: phone 847-816-8660 - fax 847-816-6664.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Black, Dave (ICT)
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:29 PM
To: 'apedenko@attbi.com'
Cc: 'stealth@starnet.net'; Team3s (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Mitsu dealership selling parts at wholesale

There is a new parts manager there - Ron.  Very nice guy.  Seems very
willing to work with our group.  Seemed to indicate that this would be his
standard price discount for 3Si members.  Wholesale on the parts I just
ordered came out to about 33% off list price.

Funny thing is that about 6 months ago I talked to the old parts manager and
he had no interest in any type of discount.  Ron seemed to indicate that was
a reason that he's no longer there.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:21:58 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine  

Typically the engine thermostat is designed to operate the engine at its peak operating temperature.  I wouldn't expect running the fan all the time to help... For example, I believe to have a stuck-open thermostat right now, and it's causing the engine to over-cool.  Def. doesn't feel any stronger this way. 

What you do want is a cooler intake... anything to get that air cooler, but you don't necessarily want the engine any cooler.

geis - Somebody fix me if I'm just smok'n weed here

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DonBrando36@aol.com [mailto:DonBrando36@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:48 PM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: cooling engine
>
> has anyone thought about having our engine fan stay on all
> the time?  Wouldnt
> that help our performance alittle bit?  Would the fan burn
> out if we did
> that? How would it be able to stay on all the time, any
> electrical experts? 
> Or what about a 160 degree thermistat?
>
> brandon
> 93 3000GT n/a

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:33:49 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine

No Bri, you are correct too cold and you are not making any more power same
with oil too cold and its not as effective. 
If that concerned about better cooling, get and aluminum radiator from PPE,
Bozz Speed, etc......   Throw in some Red Line water wetter and instead of
running a 50/50 mix run say a 60/40 or 70/30  (water to coolant mix)

NOTE ON THE ABOVE: if you live somewhere where it gets below freezing you
WILL HAVE TO change this mixture in late April (to the 60/40 or 70/30) and
then in late September have to change back to the 50/50 mix to prevent
freezing.

Allot of the listers on MKIV have done this and found that they get 2-3
degrees more timing advance but again one more thing you have to remember to
change on the car.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geisel, Brian [SMTP:Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:22 AM
> To: DonBrando36@aol.com; team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine
>
> Typically the engine thermostat is designed to operate the engine at its
> peak operating temperature.  I wouldn't expect running the fan all the
> time to help... For example, I believe to have a stuck-open thermostat
> right now, and it's causing the engine to over-cool.  Def. doesn't feel
> any stronger this way. 
>
> What you do want is a cooler intake... anything to get that air cooler,
> but you don't necessarily want the engine any cooler.
>
> geis - Somebody fix me if I'm just smok'n weed here

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:37:48 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: cooling engine  

Running the fan all the time wouldn't have any significant effect --- it would pull
cooler air into the engine compartment but only when stopped with the engine
running. When moving the air temp in the engine compartment drops to about
10º above ambient.

It would have no affect on the water temp since that is controlled by the thermostat
regardless of the amount of air moving over the radiator.

Geis is right --- IAT [ intake air temp ] is the one thing that should be cooled. The
problem is of course space ---- hood vents have been used but a sealed cold air
system has not been developed yet.

        Jim Berry
=================================================

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geisel, Brian" <Brian.Geisel@COMPAQ.com>

> Typically the engine thermostat is designed to operate the engine at its peak operating temperature.  I wouldn't expect running
the fan all the time to help... For example, I believe to have a stuck-open thermostat right now, and it's causing the engine to
over-cool.  Def. doesn't feel any stronger this way.
>
> What you do want is a cooler intake... anything to get that air cooler, but you don't necessarily want the engine any cooler.
>
> geis - Somebody fix me if I'm just smok'n weed here

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:57:29 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: engine dress up

<stuff about SVH>
> Do not replace ones like the PCV or brake booster
> hose as these have check valves in them and will
> not work with a simple hose.

AFAIK, the only lines you have to worry about are the brake and clutch
booster vacuum lines.  They do have check valves in them and should not be
replaced with a hose that doesn't have a check valve.  None of my PCV hoses
had any sort of check valve in it, so I replaced all of mine with SVH.

- --Erik
'95 VR-4

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:09:26 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: engine dress up

Ummm, Erik?  The PCV hose HAS to have a check valve in it.  That it its
sole purpose.  Better go get a replacement at Pep Boys buddy.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:18:56 -0700
From: "Pete" <pbozanich@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: low boost

Ive still got problems with the boost. I took the car to the local
dealership here in Bakersfield. They have a guy thats pretty knowledgeable
with our cars, he worked on it all day yesterday, and were still not exactly
sure whats wrong. We by passed the waste gates and only got 7lbs of boost.
With everything hooked up it will only generate 5lbs, but they just will not
spool up. weve checked all the vaccum lines the intercooler pipes, timing
etc. it all seems fine. So Im thinking its turbo time. The motor has about
80,000 miles but the turbos have 120,000. They don't smoke, I just don't
what else it could be. By the way isn't there a group buy going on for
turbos right now? And my next question is which ones. The mods Ive done so
far is K&N filter, Stillen down pipe, Borla exhaust, turbo xs BOV, Blitz
SBCID, Magnecor 100mm wires, Iridium Denso Plugs, Intrax Lowering springs,
Supra fuel pump, Strut bar front. Im not ready to take it to the track yet
(need to get to the brakes). But I drive the car pretty much everyday, so I
want it to be reliable. I was thinking the 13Gs. Thanks for your help.

Pete,
91 VR4

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:23:10 -0500
From: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org
Subject: RE: Team3S: engine dress up

Wrongo.  The PCV valve is a check valve. The PCV hose is a straight hose.

Chuck Willis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:09 AM
> To: 'Team3S List (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: engine dress up
>
> Ummm, Erik?  The PCV hose HAS to have a check valve in it.  That it its
> sole purpose.  Better go get a replacement at Pep Boys buddy.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:25:07 -0500
From: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org
Subject: RE: Team3S: low boost

could you have a leak in one of the intercoolers?

Chuck Willis

> We by passed the waste gates and only got 7lbs of boost.
> With everything hooked up it will only generate 5lbs, but they just will
> not
> spool up. weve checked all the vaccum lines the intercooler pipes, timing
> etc. it all seems fine.

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:26:47 -0500
From: "S. J Cowan" <sjc0u812@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: engine dress up

Gentlemen:

> Wrongo.  The PCV valve is a check valve. The PCV hose is a straight
> hose.

All well and good, but read the directions and ask Hose Techniques.  PCV
hose is a no no for SVH -- anything that may have oil in it is a no no.
Cover those instead.

SJ

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:05:08 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: engine dress up

> PCV hose is a no no for SVH -- anything that may have oil in it
> is a no no. Cover those instead.

I don't have the instructions that came with the kit with me, but IIRC, it
said that hoses that occasionally get some oil/vapors in them are ok to
replace with SVH, but in general, they weren't meant to carry liquids.  The
one liquid exception is the coolant overflow line.  I'll check the paperwork
I have at home on the PCV issue...  glad I saved all my stock hoses :-)

- --Erik

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:00:08 -0700
From: Dean Benz <dbenz@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Team3S: Front wheel stud replacement question.]

Just did all 10 last week for my new spacers.

Sorry, the hub assembly has to come off, but it isn't to bad of a job. Clean
your ABS sensors while you are there, mine were covered in crud and
corrosion.

The four nuts holding the hub/bearing assembly in place are the hardest part.
My fat Craftsman wrenches required me to nudge the axle in and out to get on
and off the nuts well, but no big deal. Leave them on protecting the end of
the threads and tap them in order with a soft mallet to release the bearing.

The all you have to do is pop out the old one(s) and press in the new.

Good luck.

- -Dean
"MB" <profilevr4@nj.rr.com> wrote:
> Has anyone ever replaced any of the wheel studs on the front wheels
> themselves, particularly on a VR4.
>
> I was just wondering what's involved. Can I do it with the hub assembly on
> the car or does it require require removal and dissassembly?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Michael Bulaon

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:09:59 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Front wheel stud replacement question.

It's a piece of cake to remove, but time consuming.  I had to replace
all 5 on each side to install my H&R 5mm spacer (needs longer studs).
Procedure is straight forward:
remove wheel
remove caliper and rotor
remove the 4 nuts on the back of the hub.  takes time cuz it's tight
back there but they'll come off easy enough.
Once the 4 nuts are gone, carefully slid off the hub holding the axle
straight.  Careful not to damage the ABS ring inside.
Once the hub's removed, use a 2X2 block of hard wood as a base for the
assenmbly to sit on.  Place another block over 1 of the studs and pound
with a hammer.  The stud will fall out.
Getting the new studs in is easy.  Get a washer and a 12X1.25 (or is
1.5) nut.  start tightening.  You'll know when it's tight.

Reinstall carefully.  I usually like to inject some grease into the
bearing while it's off, just for safe keeps.

Hope this helps.
Damon

MB wrote:

> Has anyone ever replaced any of the wheel studs on the front wheels
> themselves, particularly on a VR4.
>
> I was just wondering what's involved. Can I do it with the hub assembly on
> the car or does it require require removal and dissassembly?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Michael Bulaon

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:11:22 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost

As someone mentined before, try running a leak test looking for either
IC leaks or somewhere else in the system.  It's possible that there's a
crack in the IC or elsewhere in the system.  Not sure who does this or
where to get it done, but I know that it is possible.

Good luck
Damon

Pete wrote:

> Ive still got problems with the boost. I took the car to the local
> dealership here in Bakersfield. They have a guy thats pretty knowledgeable
> with our cars, he worked on it all day yesterday, and were still not exactly
> sure whats wrong. We by passed the waste gates and only got 7lbs of boost.
> With everything hooked up it will only generate 5lbs, but they just will not
> spool up. weve checked all the vaccum lines the intercooler pipes, timing
> etc. it all seems fine. So Im thinking its turbo time. The motor has about
> 80,000 miles but the turbos have 120,000. They don't smoke, I just don't
> what else it could be. By the way isn't there a group buy going on for
> turbos right now? And my next question is which ones. The mods Ive done so
> far is K&N filter, Stillen down pipe, Borla exhaust, turbo xs BOV, Blitz
> SBCID, Magnecor 100mm wires, Iridium Denso Plugs, Intrax Lowering springs,
> Supra fuel pump, Strut bar front. Im not ready to take it to the track yet
> (need to get to the brakes). But I drive the car pretty much everyday, so I
> want it to be reliable. I was thinking the 13Gs. Thanks for your help.
>
> Pete,
> 91 VR4

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:39:42 -0400
From: Anthony Melillo <anthonymelillo3@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: anyone ever try the new Fram Sure Drain kit ?

I recently purchased a new kit that is supposed to replace the Oil Drain Plug and make it much easier to change the oil.  It is made
by Fram, and is called Sure Drain.

Has anyone tried this yet ?  I am attaching some text from their web page.  You can get the whole story with pictures on the Fram
Web site, at http://www.fram.com, and click on the Sure Drain logo on the left.

I am just afraid that if the valve some how opens, I will loose all my oil, and blow the engine.  Maybe I am just being overly
protective of my car.

Text from web site
- --------------------------
FRAM SureDRAIN
Fast Access Oil Change System
Introducing the new, easier way to change your oil. Now you can drain your oil with no tools, no mess and no hot oil on your hands
with the revolutionary new SureDRAIN Fast Access Oil Change System brought to you by the trusted name in filters.FRAM.

Now you can have instant access to your oil with just a turn of the wrist!

 Proprietary SureDRAIN Valve - this unique, heavy duty Actuator Valve is precision engineered to permanently replace your existing
oil drain plug and allow instant oil access and draining.

Twist on Drain Hose - Designed for fast, easy, twist on operation, the heavy duty FRAM drain hose starts the flow of oil directly
into your receptacle with the turn of your wrist.

 Added Protection Dust Cover - To keep the SureDRAIN valve free from road dirt and safe from undercarriage debris, the ultra-rugged
SureDRAIN dust cover locks firmly into place until the next oil change. Like all SureDRAIN parts, this dust cover has been tested
against leaks, corrosion, vibration and road damage.

- ------------------
end of web site text

Anthony Melillo

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:50:38 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine

Here is the radiator option from one of our fellow owners - PPE.
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/street/2928/radiator.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Furman, Russell [mailto:RFurman2@MassMutual.com]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:34 AM
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine

No Bri, you are correct too cold and you are not making any more power same
with oil too cold and its not as effective. 
If that concerned about better cooling, get and aluminum radiator from PPE,
Bozz Speed, etc......   Throw in some Red Line water wetter and instead of
running a 50/50 mix run say a 60/40 or 70/30  (water to coolant mix)

NOTE ON THE ABOVE: if you live somewhere where it gets below freezing you
WILL HAVE TO change this mixture in late April (to the 60/40 or 70/30) and
then in late September have to change back to the 50/50 mix to prevent
freezing.

Allot of the listers on MKIV have done this and found that they get 2-3
degrees more timing advance but again one more thing you have to remember to
change on the car.

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:55:47 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine

Thanks Jim, but I have the updated/new link from Paul Jr. at home   :p

Their Radiator + FMIC is on the buy list especially now that I found out my
motor is suffering some bad blow by  :(   I am in the middle of trying to
get a JDM motor with 6SPD so I can kill several birds with one bullet
(Bigger Turbos, 6SPD conversion, and a newer motor)

Everyone pray for me.....  Just trying to get the heads off I ended up
throwing tools around  :/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Floyd, Jim [SMTP:Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:51 PM
> To: Furman, Russell; team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Cc: 'Yogourt@aol.com'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine
>
> Here is the radiator option from one of our fellow owners - PPE.
> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/street/2928/radiator.htm

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:23:24 -0500
From: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org
Subject: RE: [Team3S: Front wheel stud replacement question.]

Dean,

Thanks for the details!  RIch Old Poop says that his shop replaces
them with the hub stiill in place on the axle.  I have repaired one that was
loose with the hub still in place.  You have to rotate the hub to a cutaway
section to get access to both inboard and outboard ends of the studs.

Removing the hubs and cleaning/relubing the axle spindles is
probably not a bad idea anyhow!

Chuck Willis

> Just did all 10 last week for my new spacers.
>
> Sorry, the hub assembly has to come off, but it isn't to bad of a job.
> Clean
> your ABS sensors while you are there, mine were covered in crud and
> corrosion.
>
> The four nuts holding the hub/bearing assembly in place are the hardest
> part.
> My fat Craftsman wrenches required me to nudge the axle in and out to get
> on
> and off the nuts well, but no big deal. Leave them on protecting the end
> of
> the threads and tap them in order with a soft mallet to release the
> bearing.
>
> The all you have to do is pop out the old one(s) and press in the new.
>
> Good luck.
>
> -Dean

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:23:27 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: cooling engine

http://www.ppeengineering.com/    That is the one I have at least, god bless
google.com   (I didn't have the link with me so I did a quick search)

Oh yeah this is the one I got about 1.5 months ago so I am assuming this is
the most current link.

Now my tech question trying to figure out how to install the Accel GN Turbo
coil pack, any suggestions where I can find the connectors that plug into
the factory wiring.  Ideally with flying leads at the end that I can just
hook up to the coil pack?

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