Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Wednesday, April 17 2002   Volume 01 : Number 814




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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:30:53 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Service manual availability

did you try just printing out the online manual and then taking it somewhere
to get a binding put on it?

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Lawrence Lindgren
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:19 PM
To: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Service manual availability

As a relatively new owner of a '91 3000 GT VR4, I want to get the
service manuals so that I can do some of the work myself. Getting the
manuals is proving
to be tough. First I tried the numbers listed in FAQ. Dyment no longer
exists in area code 216, and the operator at the 800 number for MOPAR
said they do not carry Mitsu manuals. She sent me to Mitsu. I called
Mitsu and they sent me to my local retailer. I already knew what they
have to say: the 1991 manual has been combined with the manuals
through 1995 and now costs $150. In addition, the company now waits
until
they get a sufficient number of orders before printing a batch. But
that was three weeks ago. Last Friday my retailer called and said the
manuals are no longer available and they were sending my money back.

Then I tried every used book seller I could find, local (Cincinnati) and

on the internet. Nada. Then I posted a parts wanted listing on the 3SI
website. More nada.

I have the CD version of the manuals, but I would also like something I
can drip oil on. Does anyone have a suggestion?

Lawrence Lindgren

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:42:21 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost

Hi Pete,
Well, have you contact GTPro?  It's not likely that both wastegates go
at the same time so it's likely a vacuum problem.  check the vacuum
lines to make sure there's no kinks.  nothing changed in the settings of
the boost controller?
Damon

Pete wrote:

> A little over a week ago. I had GT PRO install a Blitz SBCID boost
> controller, we also installed a BOV, supra pump, plugs, magnecore 100 wires,
> gages,and intrax springs. The car ran really good for about 4 to 5 days. Now
> the car will only run up to 3 pounds of boost. It runs fine but the turbos
> won't spool up. Last night I put everything back to stock, it still only
> generates 3 pounds. Do you think it's a wastegate problem or what?
> Thanks for any help
>
> Pete,
> 91 Vr 4, stillen downpipe, borla exhaust, k&n filter,plus the new mods I
> just put on.

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:01:11 -0700
From: "Pete" <pbozanich@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost

Damon, Ive tried GTPro but Im not getting much help. Thats a totally
different story. I live 140 miles from them. Its really weird whats
happened.
Pete
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rachell" <damonr@mefas.com>
To: "Pete" <pbozanich@hotmail.com>
Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost

> Hi Pete,
> Well, have you contact GTPro?  It's not likely that both wastegates go
> at the same time so it's likely a vacuum problem.  check the vacuum
> lines to make sure there's no kinks.  nothing changed in the settings of
> the boost controller?
> Damon
>
> Pete wrote:
>
> > A little over a week ago. I had GT PRO install a Blitz SBCID boost
> > controller, we also installed a BOV, supra pump, plugs, magnecore 100
wires,
> > gages,and intrax springs. The car ran really good for about 4 to 5 days.
Now
> > the car will only run up to 3 pounds of boost. It runs fine but the
turbos
> > won't spool up. Last night I put everything back to stock, it still only
> > generates 3 pounds. Do you think it's a wastegate problem or what?
> > Thanks for any help
> >
> > Pete,
> > 91 Vr 4, stillen downpipe, borla exhaust, k&n filter,plus the new mods I
> > just put on.

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 02 14:44:12 -0500
From: potter <potter@interaccess.com>
Subject: Team3S: HC emission question

I am once again fighting this battle.  First a little background.  THe car is
a 91 VR4 with hollow precats, downpipe, manual boost controller and Borla cat
back., The car passed two years ago with NO cat, but it still had the precats.

This year it failed. but I also gutted the precats since the last test.

I just installed a new Cat and it still failed.  I am looking for help.  I
have checked the the ecu with my data logger and it doesn't show any codes,
but something has to be wrong.

I am also burning a little oil (possible turbo oil seal) can that be pushing
up my HC?  My last reading was a 361 ppm out of a required 220.

This is all very difficult without access to a gas analyzer (a friend used to
have one at his former place of employment).

Any suggestions as to where to start looking????
- - injectors were cleaned and flowbenched a year ago
- - O2 sensors were also replaced

should I be checking timing, O2 grounding, ?????

Thanks
- -Bill

William Potter
wpotter@potterenterprises.biz

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:07:02 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: low boost

Pete,

What kind of "after-the-sale" service are you getting from GT Pro ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:pbozanich@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:01 PM
To: Damon Rachell
Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost

Damon, Ive tried GTPro but Im not getting much help. Thats a totally
different story. I live 140 miles from them. Its really weird whats
happened.
Pete
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rachell" <damonr@mefas.com>
To: "Pete" <pbozanich@hotmail.com>
Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost

> Hi Pete,
> Well, have you contact GTPro?  It's not likely that both wastegates go
> at the same time so it's likely a vacuum problem.  check the vacuum
> lines to make sure there's no kinks.  nothing changed in the settings of
> the boost controller?
> Damon
>
> Pete wrote:
>
> > A little over a week ago. I had GT PRO install a Blitz SBCID boost
> > controller, we also installed a BOV, supra pump, plugs, magnecore 100
wires,
> > gages,and intrax springs. The car ran really good for about 4 to 5 days.
Now
> > the car will only run up to 3 pounds of boost. It runs fine but the
turbos
> > won't spool up. Last night I put everything back to stock, it still only
> > generates 3 pounds. Do you think it's a wastegate problem or what?
> > Thanks for any help
> >
> > Pete,
> > 91 Vr 4, stillen downpipe, borla exhaust, k&n filter,plus the new mods I
> > just put on.

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:53:24 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Service manual availability

Options for manuals:

The 1991 Stealth and 1991 3000GT are nearly identical. The notable exceptions
are some body panels and the active-aero parts. The $59 1991 Stealth manuals
would work for basically all maintenance and repair.

Obviously, print out the pages you need from the CD. Use 3-hole punched paper,
or punch holes by hand, for a 3-ring binder. You could have a local print shop
bind it for you. Use a premium 20-lb paper.

Used manuals can sometimes be found on www.ebay.com.

Call around to the discount dealers I list on the Garage Page at my web site.
Some may have 1991 or 1992-1996 manuals. Either set would work for your 1991
car (little practical change between 1991 and 1992). But prices may be as high
as $200 for a set!

Check with these online used book sources:
http://www.crazyjerry.com/
http://www.books4cars.com/ - they have some but are a bit overpriced
http://www.alibris.com

Hope this helps.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Lindgren" <lflindgren@fuse.net>
To: <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: Team3S: Service manual availability

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:39:13 -0700
From: "Pete" <pbozanich@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost

Jim, not much at all, they won't return my calls. Brian the owner seems very
knowledgeable but I was only able to talk to him on the saturday we did the
work. On his defense, his wife just gave birth to a baby so he's got more
important things going on than my car. But you would think some one else
would help.
Pete
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: low boost

> Pete,
>
> What kind of "after-the-sale" service are you getting from GT Pro ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pete [mailto:pbozanich@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:01 PM
> To: Damon Rachell
> Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost
>
> Damon, Ive tried GTPro but Im not getting much help. Thats a totally
> different story. I live 140 miles from them. Its really weird whats
> happened.
> Pete
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Rachell" <damonr@mefas.com>
> To: "Pete" <pbozanich@hotmail.com>
> Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: low boost
>
> > Hi Pete,
> > Well, have you contact GTPro?  It's not likely that both wastegates go
> > at the same time so it's likely a vacuum problem.  check the vacuum
> > lines to make sure there's no kinks.  nothing changed in the settings of
> > the boost controller?
> > Damon
> >
> > Pete wrote:
> >
> > > A little over a week ago. I had GT PRO install a Blitz SBCID boost
> > > controller, we also installed a BOV, supra pump, plugs, magnecore 100
> wires,
> > > gages,and intrax springs. The car ran really good for about 4 to 5
days.
> Now
> > > the car will only run up to 3 pounds of boost. It runs fine but the
> turbos
> > > won't spool up. Last night I put everything back to stock, it still
only
> > > generates 3 pounds. Do you think it's a wastegate problem or what?
> > > Thanks for any help
> > >
> > > Pete,
> > > 91 Vr 4, stillen downpipe, borla exhaust, k&n filter,plus the new mods
I
> > > just put on.

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:06:18 -0500
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Anyone interested in Union Grove dragstrip 4/20 or 4/21?

I'm going to Union Grove right now, in my friend's silver Subaru WRX :)
and will be at Road America this weekend with a Wisconsin F-Body Club...
Jack T.

From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S: Anyone interested in Union Grove dragstrip 4/20 or 4/21?
> I was thinking of heading over to Union Grove, WI dragstrip this coming
> weekend.  Anyone interested in going?
> Dave 95VR4

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:24:26 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: shiftlight --- was Gingerman

I got the autometer light and shift module from Jegs --- the light is
about 1/2" in diameter and about 5" long. The shift module comes
with 5 plug in resistors in various ranges so you can have it light
at different rpm values. I mounted it on top of the steering column.

I can take a few pictures if you care !!!

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=8869&prmenbr=76

        Jim Berry
===========================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gingerman Raceway report - first impressions

> Jim,
>
> Whose shift light did you install ?

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:39:33 -0600
From: "Zach Sauerman" <axemaddock@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: testpipe effects and fuel cooler

Good evening everyone. I have two questions tonight.
The first is about a fuel cooler. A buddy of mine is installing one on a '68
Camaro. It hasnt arrived yet, but from what I gather it is a generic little
cooler that fuel goes in, is air cooled, and moves on. I searched the
archives and couldn't find anything on this. Does anyone have one? It isn't
very expensive, so I am wondering what the benefits would be. I have only
stock turbos and the K&N, but perhaps it would be something good for those
running the larger turbos and injectors and are concerned with knock.
My second question concerns the effects testpipes actually have on our cars.
I installed mine and love the new sound, but question the performance. The
car doesn't seem to accelerate as quickly. I assume this is because at low
RPMs the motor functions as though normally aspirated and needs back
pressure to create torque. The turbos seem to spool faster, but the car
doesn't feel as though it is accelerating as quickly as it used to. Does
anyone have before and after results from a dyno or drag-strip? I have only
the K&N filtercharger, stock turbos and BOV, Magnecores, gutted pre-cats,
and stock exhaust.

Thanks for reading,
Zach Sauerman

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:50:36 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erikpetterson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:  Tires are different sizes, OK???

Today my drivers side rear tire seperated (the tread came off) while I was
going approx. 80mph on the freeway.  I made it to a little tire shop that
had a used tire that the guy said would fit.  The 4 tires were all
205/65/15.  The replacement tire is 205/60/15.  It is on the rear. Is it ok
to drive the car like this for a couple of months?  I am putting on around
2,500miles per month.  1991 SOHC N/A   (FRONT WHEEL DRIVE).

Thanks,
- -Erik

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:33:19 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:  Tires are different sizes, OK???

Erik,

I think for the N/A you can have different tires/wheels but you need to
make sure the entire axle is the same.  Right?  For the turbo cars it
needs to be the same all the way around due to the AWD.

Now it won't kill or break the car but you should try to get another of
the same or replace your old one with another of this same size.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Erik Petterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 21:51
To: Stealth List
Subject: Team3S: Tires are different sizes, OK???

Today my drivers side rear tire seperated (the tread came off) while I
was
going approx. 80mph on the freeway.  I made it to a little tire shop
that
had a used tire that the guy said would fit.  The 4 tires were all
205/65/15.  The replacement tire is 205/60/15.  It is on the rear. Is it
ok
to drive the car like this for a couple of months?  I am putting on
around
2,500miles per month.  1991 SOHC N/A   (FRONT WHEEL DRIVE).

Thanks,
- -Erik

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:07:39 -0700
From: "noble" <nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: knock in 1st gear, but not 2nd or 3rd?

In my application (720cc injectors), I was putting in too much fuel to begin
with.
After a series of highway tests, I gradually found that decreasing the high
load settings on my
fuel controller lowered knock above 6000rpm.

I had always thought that more fuel gets rid of knock, but the datalogs
don't lie;
there is a "sweet spot" for fuel mixtures that will produce the best power
with the least chance of knock.
I'm currently around .92V
However, I also have a front mount intercooler, which may play a part in
this as well.

Lates,
Noble

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill vp <billvp@highstream.net>
To: team3/S <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: knock in 1st gear, but not 2nd or 3rd?

> it's not overboosting because I have my turbo timer set on peak hold and
it
> shows that it doesn't.  Why would leaning out the mixture ever decrease
> knock?  Thanks for the suggestions, I'm just curious as to the reasoning
> behind it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: noble [mailto:nketo@sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:44 AM
> To: Bill vp
> Subject: Re: Team3S: knock in 1st gear, but not 2nd or 3rd?
>
>
> Sounds like you're overboosting momentarily in first gear.
> Most boost controllers will do this; simply adjust your gain lower, so
> that 1st and 2nd gear have no knock sums at all.
>
> I usually hit 17psi VERY quickly in first, despite a 15psi setting.
> I've since adjusted the controller to do the opposite; 15psi in first,
17psi
> in the higher gears.
> Leaning out your fuel settings might help as well.
>
> -Noble
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill vp <billvp@highstream.net>
> To: team3/S <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:30 PM
> Subject: Team3S: knock in 1st gear, but not 2nd or 3rd?
>
>
> > I am using the pocketlogger and have the following mods on my '91 R/T
tt:
> > 15Gs, 550cc, Walbro pump, full exhaust, AAM intake, VPC/SAFC, etc.  If I
> > take off from a 5 mph roll (boost set to 14.5 psi) in 1st gear, the car
> > accelerates well, but right at around 5500 rpm, I can actually feel the
> car
> > retard the timing and the hood of the car drops a bit!!  If I continue
on
> > into 2nd, then 3rd and run the car to redline it doesn't do this at all.
> > What would cause this?  On the pocketlogger knock shows up right about
> 5500
> > rpm also, going from 0 knock sum at 5000 to over 20 at 5500!!
> >
> > If I set the boost to 13 psi, there is no knock sum anywhere but 1st
gear
> at
> > 5500, but here it is small; perhaps a knock sum of 5.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas on this?
> >
> > It doesn't only happen from a 5 mph roll either, any kind of start in
1st
> > gear (at 14.5 psi) from 0-15 mph causes it to do this.

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:20:25 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:  Tires are different sizes, OK???

As an addendum to this, do not mix brands of tires or models of the brands
on an AWD car.  I am in the middle of doing a little research but it turns
out the tires OD can fluctuate .10 or more depending on the model/brand.
 
So when changing tires go with exact same type at all four corners and wear
over the life of the tire is not a huge concern due to the fact that that
fluctutation is less.05 for most W rated or better tires.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darren Schilberg [mailto:dschilberg@pobox.com]
Sent: Tue 4/16/2002 10:33 PM
To: 'Stealth List'
Cc:
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tires are different sizes, OK???

Erik,

I think for the N/A you can have different tires/wheels but you need to
make sure the entire axle is the same.  Right?  For the turbo cars it
needs to be the same all the way around due to the AWD.

Now it won't kill or break the car but you should try to get another of
the same or replace your old one with another of this same size.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:18:28 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: shiftlight --- was Gingerman

No pictures necessary, thanks though.
Did that mounting block any of your warning lights ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax [mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 5:24 PM
To: Floyd, Jim; team3s@team3s.com
Subject: shiftlight --- was Gingerman

I got the autometer light and shift module from Jegs --- the light is
about 1/2" in diameter and about 5" long. The shift module comes
with 5 plug in resistors in various ranges so you can have it light
at different rpm values. I mounted it on top of the steering column.

I can take a few pictures if you care !!!

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=8869&prmenbr=7
6

        Jim Berry

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:46:14 -0400
From: Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
Subject: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)

Thanks for the responses to my "Hoot Owl" delimma. But just to clarify, the
"hoot owl" sound I described is different from the "honking goose" that a
bad BOV makes. I replaced my HKS SBOV with a used stock BOV and the noise
was still there. I replaced that one with another stock BOV, and that one
WAS bad, as not only did I get the "hoot owl", but the dreaded "honking
goose" was there, too. So now I have a brand new HKS SSBOV, and I still
have the "hoot owl". The sound occurs 1 to 2 seconds AFTER I let off the
throttle under any load at all, not necessarilly after generating boost. So
I've ruled out any problem with the BOV as a cause.

Since I've checked every hose and connection I can see, as well as doing a
pressure test and not finding the problem, I'm now wondering if there are
any hoses or vacuum lines or potential areas for leakeage in areas that I
can't see...such as down in the vee under the intake manifold or something
like that.

Any ideas?

Jeff W.
'92 VR4

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:55:06 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: Carbon Fiber Drive Shaft resonance

I finally got to call Mark at PST and he told me they designed the
CFDS for 3/S to be OK to 11,500 RPM
At 8,000 engine RPM in 6th gear the drive shaft would be at 11,300
RPM.

Another point of interest is that after a year of screwing around
with a new machine and process (too much carbon) his Supplier is finally
sending him good tubes.
They accomplished this by going back to their original winding
machine and process. Sounds like progress isn't always the best way to go.

Any further questions can be addressed to Mark at 888-575-7888

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:56:20 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: testpipe effects and fuel cooler

Backpressure thoughts.

Torque is created in the combustion process and the net value is limited by
the inefficiencies and losses in the engine. Making it harder to expel the
exhaust gas (backpressure) cannot increase the net torque available.

Perhaps what you really refer to is scavenging of the exhaust gas by tuned and
timed exhaust "low-pressure" pulses. Forget it with our turbo manifolds.

The little 1" diameter hole (TD04 housing) that the exhaust gas from three
cylinders must pass through before getting to the volute (and an even smaller
hole) and the turbine wheel pretty much establishes the backpressure in the
manifold (for good or bad). It is hard to imagine much contribution from pre-
cats or main cat (or any pipe or object after the turbo) toward less or more
backpressure before the turbo. The exception could be a failed, closed,
damaged, or clogged part. Of course, minimal or no pressure after the turbo is
ideal for optimal turbo spoolup.

With pre-cats in place and a stock exhaust, replacing a decent-flowing main
cat with a "test pipe" is not likley to produce noticeable performance gains,
but does violate Federal Law and the Laws of all 50 states (if you care about
such things and clean air). :)

You may consider gutting the pre-cats (another law-breaking activity but for
all practical purposes undetectable). This will reduce pressure after the
turbos for better spool up and has a negligible effect on emissions. The pre-
cats are there basically for when the engine is cold. The main cat does nearly
all of the cleaning duties. 

I wonder if Matt Monett and Jack T. had their main-cats in place for their
record setting runs?

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zach Sauerman" <axemaddock@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: Team3S: testpipe effects and fuel cooler

<snip>
My second question concerns the effects testpipes actually have on our cars.
I installed mine and love the new sound, but question the performance. The
car doesn't seem to accelerate as quickly. I assume this is because at low
RPMs the motor functions as though normally aspirated and needs back
pressure to create torque.
<snip>

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:08:14 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)

Does it vary by how you let off the gas e.g. slowly release the throttle
or more rapidly ???  Does it make a difference if your coasting with
the clutch in or out ???  Have you looked at the vacuum boost and
check valves for the brakes and clutch.

        Jim Berry
============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:46 AM
Subject: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)

> Thanks for the responses to my "Hoot Owl" delimma. But just to clarify, the
> "hoot owl" sound I described is different from the "honking goose" that a
> bad BOV makes. I replaced my HKS SBOV with a used stock BOV and the noise
> was still there. I replaced that one with another stock BOV, and that one
> WAS bad, as not only did I get the "hoot owl", but the dreaded "honking
> goose" was there, too. So now I have a brand new HKS SSBOV, and I still
> have the "hoot owl". The sound occurs 1 to 2 seconds AFTER I let off the
> throttle under any load at all, not necessarilly after generating boost. So
> I've ruled out any problem with the BOV as a cause.
>
> Since I've checked every hose and connection I can see, as well as doing a
> pressure test and not finding the problem, I'm now wondering if there are
> any hoses or vacuum lines or potential areas for leakeage in areas that I
> can't see...such as down in the vee under the intake manifold or something
> like that.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Jeff W.
> '92 VR4

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:19:01 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: testpipe effects and fuel cooler

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>

> You may consider gutting the pre-cats (another law-breaking activity but for
> all practical purposes undetectable).

Not so sure on the undetectable issue --- simply tapping on the pre-cat would
tell if it's hollow, the same applies to the main cat.
===================================================

> I wonder if Matt Monett and Jack T. had their main-cats in place for their
> record setting runs?

In a recent post Jack T claimed that his [ almost ] last remaining speed
secret was eliminating backpressure --- he said nothing about the hows. 

        Jim Berry

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:45:31 -0500
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)

Turbos sometimes make a rhythmic "pshhhhh pshhhh pssh" noise when at partial
throttle, and letting off.  I think it is the pressure backflowing out the
compressor when there is less turbine speed, once off the gas.  The BOV
would decrease this alot, so if BOV not working it would be more.  I hear it
on my car, heard it on friend's Supra...
I guess it is sort of a hoot owl sound but MAYBE if your intake tract and
airfilters/MAS or whatever are different, it sets up a resonance in the air
column making your car sound Special ;)
JT

From: <Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com>
Subject: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)
> Thanks for the responses to my "Hoot Owl" delimma. But just to clarify,
the
> "hoot owl" sound I described is different from the "honking goose" that a
> bad BOV makes. I replaced my HKS SBOV with a used stock BOV and the noise
> was still there. I replaced that one with another stock BOV, and that one
> WAS bad, as not only did I get the "hoot owl", but the dreaded "honking
> goose" was there, too. So now I have a brand new HKS SSBOV, and I still
> have the "hoot owl". The sound occurs 1 to 2 seconds AFTER I let off the
> throttle under any load at all, not necessarilly after generating boost.
So
> I've ruled out any problem with the BOV as a cause.
> Since I've checked every hose and connection I can see, as well as doing a
> pressure test and not finding the problem, I'm now wondering if there are
> any hoses or vacuum lines or potential areas for leakeage in areas that I
> can't see...such as down in the vee under the intake manifold or something
> like that.
> Any ideas?
> Jeff W. '92 VR4

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:51:23 -0400
From: Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)

Yes it does. If I relase the throttle slowly, the sound is more immediate
and the pitch is slightly higher, and likewise, a quicker release results
in a more delayed and lower-pitched sound. It is also dependent on how much
load was on the engine before I let off the throttle.  If it was under
moderate boost before I let off the throttle, I'll hear a sqeeky whimper
with a slight whoosh from the BOV, then the "hoot owl" about 2 seconds
later.

Doesn't matter if the clutch is in or out. But when I do decellerate with
the clutch engaged in gear, I've starting noticing a slight backfire
(popping) in the exhaust.

I've checked both booster check valves and hoses. They seem to be fine,
although that's exactly the sound I would expect to hear if they weren't.

Jeff W

>Does it vary by how you let off the gas e.g. slowly release the throttle
>or more rapidly ???  Does it make a difference if your coasting with
>the clutch in or out ???  Have you looked at the vacuum boost and
>check valves for the brakes and clutch.

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:21:58 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)

That sound Jack describes is compressor surge and should be avoided if
possible. The usual cause is a BOV adjusted too "tight" or one that is not by-
passing enough air when pipe pressure exceeds plenum pressure. However, with
turbos sized too large for our engines, surge may be unavoidable at worst or
very easily initiated at best. More info on my web page below in the "surge
limit" section.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-3s-compflowmaps.htm

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: Strange Engine "Hoot Owl" Sound (Kinda Long)

Turbos sometimes make a rhythmic "pshhhhh pshhhh pssh" noise when at partial
throttle, and letting off.  I think it is the pressure backflowing out the
compressor when there is less turbine speed, once off the gas.  The BOV
would decrease this alot, so if BOV not working it would be more.  I hear it
on my car, heard it on friend's Supra...
I guess it is sort of a hoot owl sound but MAYBE if your intake tract and
airfilters/MAS or whatever are different, it sets up a resonance in the air
column making your car sound Special ;)
JT

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:45:08 +0200
From: "Mikael Kenson" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Cam gear/sprocket question

I have installed Fidanza adjustable cam gears and now I have questions...

I shall try to explain...

Matt Mone say that cam gears shall be set up "intake cams advance 2 deg, and EX cams retard 3-4 deg" but Matt is using Unorthodox cam gears and when I looked at a set of Unorthodox cam gears today (for a Supra) they are market like this:

R....|....A

The Fidanza cam gears are marked

+.....|.....-

So now I'm confused... For me + means advance and - means retard but these cam gears say something different.

How shall I set them? Any sugestions?

/Mikael

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:17:10 -0700
From: "tri" <thn@dexray.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:  Tires are different sizes, OK???

i agree with darren, one axle needs the same size, if not brand/model. the
tread will wear unevenly on both of your rear tires, not to mention might
cause ur alignment to go bad. basically, ur car sits on an angle because of
the change from 65 to 60 on the tire. at higher speeds, i can only guess
what u may feel, maybe increased vibrations, etc. what's worse is that it's
a used tire, at least make sure the tread pattern somewhat matches the other
3 tires on your car. all season won't work well with summer tires & vice
versa. if anything, just pop a new kumho with the same 205/65/15 on (if they
make them). they're cheap but good tires.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Petterson" <erikpetterson@yahoo.com>
To: "Stealth List" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Team3S: Tires are different sizes, OK???

> Today my drivers side rear tire seperated (the tread came off) while I was
> going approx. 80mph on the freeway.  I made it to a little tire shop that
> had a used tire that the guy said would fit.  The 4 tires were all
> 205/65/15.  The replacement tire is 205/60/15.  It is on the rear. Is it
ok
> to drive the car like this for a couple of months?  I am putting on around
> 2,500miles per month.  1991 SOHC N/A   (FRONT WHEEL DRIVE).
>
> Thanks,
> -Erik

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:02:43 -0400
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: Axle Problem?

I recently bought a 1994 VR-4. I paid only $9000 because it has one
problem. When drving along, you can hear a noise i think is definitely nt
natural. I've pin-pointed it to the rear wheel area. At low speeds, it
sounds like a barrel rolling down the road. I was told that maybe the
differential needed fluid since it did look like it might have been leaking
at one time. I changed the fluid and topped it off but still the same
problem. Next I was told it might be a bent axle or a bad differential. The
mitsu dealer wants $150 just to diagnose it. I would rather spend this money
on other performance parts so does anyone have any suggestions as to what
the problem might be and how I can check it myself?

- -ROD

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:03:52 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Axle Problem?

Sounds like an axle bearing. If it is it can be very unsafe. Have the dealer
diagnose it. $150 for your life, and possibly some innocent persons life
sounds cheap.

Andy
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
To: <Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:02 AM
Subject: Team3S: Axle Problem?

> I recently bought a 1994 VR-4. I paid only $9000 because it has one
> problem. When drving along, you can hear a noise i think is definitely nt
> natural. I've pin-pointed it to the rear wheel area. At low speeds, it
> sounds like a barrel rolling down the road. I was told that maybe the
> differential needed fluid since it did look like it might have been
leaking
> at one time. I changed the fluid and topped it off but still the same
> problem. Next I was told it might be a bent axle or a bad differential.
The
> mitsu dealer wants $150 just to diagnose it. I would rather spend this
money
> on other performance parts so does anyone have any suggestions as to what
> the problem might be and how I can check it myself?
>
> -ROD

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:37:25 -0500
From: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org
Subject: RE: Team3S: Axle Problem?

how many miles?  do you have any idea whether the rear wheel bearings have
been replaced? How does the emergency brake feel?  the e-brake uses shoes
which can drag on the inside of the rear brake drums. $150 to diagnose seems
steep - $75 is more like what I would expect to pay.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1 [SMTP:x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:03 PM
> To: 'Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st'
> Subject: Team3S: Axle Problem?
>
> I recently bought a 1994 VR-4. I paid only $9000 because it has one
> problem. When drving along, you can hear a noise i think is definitely nt
> natural. I've pin-pointed it to the rear wheel area. At low speeds, it
> sounds like a barrel rolling down the road. I was told that maybe the
> differential needed fluid since it did look like it might have been
> leaking
> at one time. I changed the fluid and topped it off but still the same
> problem. Next I was told it might be a bent axle or a bad differential.
> The
> mitsu dealer wants $150 just to diagnose it. I would rather spend this
> money
> on other performance parts so does anyone have any suggestions as to what
> the problem might be and how I can check it myself?
>
> -ROD

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:41:18 -0600
From: "Mike & Cathy" <micajoco@theofficenet.com>
Subject: Team3S: engine smoke

I can't seem to figure out why my engine is smoking. Will the turbos smoke
if they are leaking? Ive pulled the IC lines and there is no oil present.
Will the oil burn in the turbos then out the exhaust? The motor smokes
during acceleration and deceleration, but not while normal speed.
Boost seems to be normal and turbos spool up.
Mike S 92 rt tt

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:44:17 -0400
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Axle Problem?

The e-brake feels kinda loose. I am getting a brake job for it cause they're
pretty worn out already so I'll have the mechanic take a look at that. Are
the e-brake shoes a whole different part that needs to get replaced? Thanks

- -ROD

- -----Original Message-----
From: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org
To: x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil; Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st
Sent: 4/17/02 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Axle Problem?

how many miles?  do you have any idea whether the rear wheel bearings
have
been replaced? How does the emergency brake feel?  the e-brake uses
shoes
which can drag on the inside of the rear brake drums. $150 to diagnose
seems
steep - $75 is more like what I would expect to pay.

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:55:32 -0500
From: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org
Subject: RE: Team3S: Axle Problem?

the e-brake shoes are a different mechanism from the rear disk brakes.  the
rear rotors have a drum and the shoes are inside them. during the brake job,
they might remove the rotors exposing the e-brake shoes, or not.  they might
just change the pads and adjust the e-brake with the rotor still on the rear
hub.  there is a hole in the rotor with an adjusting wheel inside.

With the wheels and rotors removed, you should be able to tell if you have
wheel bearing noise.  I don't know about testing "axle bearings".

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1 [SMTP:x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:44 PM
> To: 'cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org '; Rodriguez, Elpidio
> x35617d1; 'Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st '
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Axle Problem?
>
> The e-brake feels kinda loose. I am getting a brake job for it cause
> they're
> pretty worn out already so I'll have the mechanic take a look at that. Are
> the e-brake shoes a whole different part that needs to get replaced?
> Thanks
>
> -ROD

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:55:50 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Axle Problem?

They can check the wheel bearings while they have it in the air --- wheel
bearings going out will show up as a rough feeling when the wheel is
turned and may even have play in the wheel if bad enough.

Did you drain the rear differential -- if it's going bad there will be metal
particles in the oil.

        Jim Berry
==================================================

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>

> The e-brake feels kinda loose. I am getting a brake job for it cause they're
> pretty worn out already so I'll have the mechanic take a look at that. Are
> the e-brake shoes a whole different part that needs to get replaced? Thanks
>
> -ROD

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:12:42 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Axle Problem?

Good points Chuck - Shops usually take the easy way out. It would be a good
idea anyway, just to get familiar with the hardware, to take the rotors off
and just look around. I too, don't know how to "test" the rear wheel
bearings. The few that have gone out on me have just been kind of obvious
when you finally dig deep enough to see them.

Andy
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To: <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>; <Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Axle Problem?

> the e-brake shoes are a different mechanism from the rear disk brakes.
the
> rear rotors have a drum and the shoes are inside them. during the brake
job,
> they might remove the rotors exposing the e-brake shoes, or not.  they
might
> just change the pads and adjust the e-brake with the rotor still on the
rear
> hub.  there is a hole in the rotor with an adjusting wheel inside.
>
> With the wheels and rotors removed, you should be able to tell if you have
> wheel bearing noise.  I don't know about testing "axle bearings".
>
> Chuck

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: gtg509d@prism.gatech.edu
Subject: Team3S: failed emissions

Hello Everyone,

I recently moved to a county that requires emissions testing and I failed the
test.  I have a stock '91 Stealth R/T (24 valve DOHC) with no modifications
yet.  I read throught the archives to get some tips (after the fact) - I was
driving around the highway and streets before I got to the place, but had to
wait 10-15 minutes before I was tested.  The guy at the testing place said from
the results it was either the catalytic converter or the EGR.  Can I check
these myself, or do one of those additives/driving hard methods work in most
cases?
Thanks for the help.

Michael

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