Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Sunday, March 31 2002    Volume 01 : Number 798




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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:54:44 -0800
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Team3S: Question on Driveshaft

Hi all - I was under my car today and noticed that I can turn my driveshaft
about half an inch freely. Is this normal? It seems to me it is not normal
and it explains why I hear a clunck when I put it in reverse. If it is not
normal, then how do I fix it?

Andy

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:59:51 -0500
From: "Ioan Raicu" <iraicu@directvinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Hello everyone,

I know I am little late with this one, but I wanted to share my
experience with running high sustained speeds in hot weather. 

When coming back from California, I went through Death Valley.  If any
of you have been there, you might imagine what the weather was like in
early September at around 12 noon (~120 degrees Fahrenheit).  While
going through there, I was mostly cruising at about 130 mph, very rarely
getting under 100 mph for turns or oncoming traffic, and push the car
into the 150s once in a while just for the fun of it...  I must have had
about a 3 hour trip before I reduced my speeds to only around 100 mph
since I was getting close to Las Vegas.  Throughout the entire period of
cruising at ~130mph, I was mostly going in 6th gear and occasionally in
5th...  The water temp never budged a bit as long as I was moving, but
once I had to slow down to 60 mph for about a minute before I was able
to pass a few cars, and to my surprise, the water temps had moved almost
two notches up, and obviously I soon I speeded up, it went down back to
normal.  By the way, it was very easy to maintain speeds of ~130mph!

John Raicu
94 Yellow TT.

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:43:22 -0500
From: "Tim & Marina Furbush" <furbush4@netzero.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Won't Start problem found

We tried to get repaired at first but it was too far gone!

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Steve Cooper
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 2:31 AM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Won't Start problem found

Why don't you get it repaired. It would be a fraction of the cost. That
price is absolutely astronomical.

Steve

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:40:50 -0800
From: "Bradford J. Gay" <bradfordjgay@charter.net>
Subject: Team3S: Tires

Anyone got the Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position tires, and if so,
what do they think about them.  Also, I'm looking at RacingHart wheels,
but are they worth it, or should I just go with SSRs?  BTW: that leak in
my intake is fixed.  I just love my car getting more power... :)

- -Brad
 97 VR-4

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:37:31 -0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: N/A top speed?

Speedo top speed on a 93 Dodge Stealth Base (5 speed) is 140 mph.  If
this figure is 4% optimistic, the speedo should read 134.4 mph.

- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4
93 Dodge Stealth Base (5 speed)

Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:41:14 EST
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: N/A top speed?

coming across a magazine review of an N/A car is pretty impossible. any1

happen to kno the top speed on a non turbo?

- - -mike

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:39:09 -0800
From: "Chris Winkley" <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Folks...

A recent reply from John Raicu prompted me to write this non-scientific, but true life, set of observations about "flat out" for 50 miles (or more):

1. When visiting Bob Forrest in San Francisco a couple years ago, I came out of the pass south of Mt. Shasta on Interstate Five (headed southbound), from Redding until the junction to Interstate Eighty (headed westbound). During this distance (roughly a hundred miles) I kept up a fairly constant 145mph in 6th gear. There was no significant increase in engine temperature.

2. When I owned a 1992 turbo Talon I made regular trips from Portland to Los Angeles. The run between Redding to the Grapevine is some of the best maintained highway on Interstate Five (probably five hundred miles). I normally set my cruise control at 125mph and ran that way until I encountered traffic that forced me to slow down. I never experienced any increased in engine temperatures, day or night, spring, summer, fall, or winter.

So, barring stops for gas, I've made "several" high speed runs well over the speeds we can run in the SS in Nevada without a rollbar. Roughly the same ambient temperatures (Sacramento is usually near 100 during the daytime in the summer). I'll assume that the stock gauges in both cars are not entirely accurate, but I don't run anything but a stock radiator cap and a 50/50 water/glycol mix. So, why all the concern about overheating? Has someone actually had their car overheat on long highway runs in 6th gear? How about the three of you that run consistently high speeds on the Autobahn (Roger, Mikael, Jim)? Mind you, I'm not talking about open track racing where I've run from 35mph out of a corner at WOT to 125mph before hitting the brakes hard for the next corner. Even then, with my boost set at 1 bar this produces high EGTs, but still never overheated the coolant. I imagine a more experienced and aggressive driver might shift more, and manage to use more engine compression w!
 hich might heat up the coolant. The "game" in the SS (and other) sanctioned high speed highway runs seems to be consistency and predictability, not performance, so I don't imagine there's any need to be running high revs that might boost engine temps.

Looking forward...Chris

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/custom K&N intake, bored and polished throttle body, TEC 15G turbos, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, ARC2/MAF fuel controller, Split Second A/F meter, GReddy PRofec A boost controller, Apex EGT & boost gauges, GReddy turbo timer, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers, Odyssey dry cell battery [soon to be a trunk mounted Optima Red Top], Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs gapped at .032", ACT 2800 lb pressure plate, Broward six puck racing disc, Centerforce throwout bearing, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback exhaust, Stillen cross-drilled rotors, Porterfield R4 race pads, SS brake lines, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs, Michelin SX MXX3 Pilots on factory 18" chromed wheels)

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:50:11 -0500
From: "Ioan Raicu" <iraicu@directvinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: N/A top speed?

My experience with the top speed of our cars is the following:

- - 93 SOHC Stealth with a 5 speed (completely stock) – 133~140 mph
measured at the speedometer depending on the direction of the wind,
etc...
- - 94 TT Stealth with a 6 speed (completely stock) - 165~169 mph measured
at the speedometer depending on the direction of the wind, etc...
- - same as above 94 TT Stealth (basic BPU) - 165~171 mph measured at the
speedometer...

The speeds in the 94 Stealth TT were also verified on one occasion with
a GPS system and proved that the car's speedometer was underestimating
the speed at 160 mph on the speedo to be 165 mph on the GPS system.  I
also raced a motorcycle once and managed to do 165 mph before we had to
brake...  We were head-to-head all the way, so we were roughly doing the
same speed.  When I later talked to the other guy, he though he had gone
a little over 180 mph. 

All in all, I think the speedos are pretty unreliable at high speeds
(+/- 5%) and I would bet my money on a GPS speed figure any day. 

John Raicu
94 Yellow TT

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:59:52 -0800
From: Bob Forrest <bforrest@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: N/A top speed?

- - ----- Original Message -----
From: <M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
> coming across a magazine review of an N/A car is pretty impossible.
> any1
happen to kno the top speed on a non turbo?
> -mike
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:48:15 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

>So, why all the concern about overheating? Has someone actually had their car overheat on long highway runs in 6th gear?

My concern stems from the fact that 2nd gen cars tend to heat up on certain racetracks where we use a lot of boost in lower gears. 1st gen cars with 5 speeds don't have the problem.

I asked the question because I could envision running high average speeds through long sweeping turns in 3rd, 4th and 5th gears. Running on an autobahn or open highway at 135 mph average in 6th gear on straight roads is one thing; running 120+ on twisty roads where lower gears and high boost are used is another.

But, as near as I can tell from the responses so far, including folks who have actually run events like the Silver State Challenge, there is no overheating problem.

Rich/slow old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:55:12 -0700
From: "Justin Sturgeon" <justinstur@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: timing

I just checked the timing on my 91 Stealth R/T with a timing light.  it
seemed to me that the timing mark jumped around a lot (from about 16 BTDC to
20) while at idle.  Is that normal in our cars.  I have checked the timing
on other cars and the the mark is always pretty steady. Any ideas?

thanks, Justin

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:13:37 -0800 (PST)
From: jim dewbre <ltjdew@athlonoc.com>
Subject: Team3S: 91 stealth rt tt wont start

I have a 91 stealth twin turbo rt that will not start. I have replaced the computer,crank angle sensor. coil,plugs and wires,stillcant get fire to the plugs. anyone have any ideas what else it could be.

Jim Dewbre
meadow,TX

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:35:48 -0500
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Team3S: OT: Help Diagnosing a GMC Jimmy Tranny Noise

Hi folks,

If any of you can help me diagnose a noise from the automatic tranny on my
94 Jimmy, please reply off-list.  Thanks.

Dennis Moore
stealth@quixnet.net
93 Stealth ES

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:39:20 -0500
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Team3S: Clutch Master Cylinder Question

Hi all,

What would the symptoms be of a leaking (though not yet failed) Clutch
Master Cylinder?  My clutch pedal seems "softer" than it should be, and I've
already replaced the clutch and Slave Cylinder.  Before I go tearing into
the Master Cylinder, I'd like some "expert opinions" on whether that's a
reasonable suspect.  Thanks.

Dennis Moore
93 Stealth ES

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:41:41 -0500
From: "Jerry B." <scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Master Cylinder Question

I have recently had the same problems with my 92 stealth e/s. The master
cylinder was actually leaking inside the car. I could not detect it because
I was loking out side under the hood for problems. And in fact the rubber
boot had failed and it was leaking everytime I pushed the pedal down in side
the car. Eventually it had gotten air bound and the clutch would not work.
Check out the carpet under the dash and see if it is wet and the shaft/boot
where the master chlinder sticks thru the firewall. this may be your
problem. Hope this helps.

Jerry 92 Stealth E/S & 93 Stealth RT/TT

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From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: Team3S: Clutch Master Cylinder Question

> Hi all,
>
> What would the symptoms be of a leaking (though not yet failed) Clutch
> Master Cylinder?  My clutch pedal seems "softer" than it should be, and
I've
> already replaced the clutch and Slave Cylinder.  Before I go tearing into
> the Master Cylinder, I'd like some "expert opinions" on whether that's a
> reasonable suspect.  Thanks.
>
> Dennis Moore
> 93 Stealth ES

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:08:33 -0500
From: "Gil Gomes" <gil@3kgt.com>
Subject: Team3S: Front Active Aero

    Quick question if anyone has any experience with this problem...

    I recently had the nose of the car repainted.  Unfortunately, the
painter got quite a bit of white paint on the front active aero air dam.  I
painted it over with black.  Now... the air dam comes in contact with the
bottom edge of the nose when it drops and raises.  Is there any kind of
adjustment?  Or do I take it off and sandpaper it?

Thanx...
- -G

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