Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Thursday, March 28 2002   Volume 01 : Number 795




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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:11:32 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: N/A intake hose question

No harm to use the K&N and any intake hose.  It will not change the airflow
significantly, may get you 5hp on the NA. Resonator has never been reported
as a problem when removed. This is completely within the stock TB and ECU
limits to compensate.  I have a leafblower ram air on my NA, and it has not
had any detrimental effect in over two years.

Kurt

- -----Original Message-----
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com [mailto:M3000GTSL84@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:06 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: N/A intake hose question

 i am the current owner of a 97 3000GT SL.  Its stock right now, but i plan
to change that soon. The first mod i plan on is an intake (K&N), and an
intake pipe to replace the stock rubber one. My question is, will the pipe
 really damage the car in any way? i kno mitsu didnt put any parts on the
car
 just for laughs, so will removing the resonator, and feeding alot more air
into the engine hurt it? the car engine is in excellent condition right
now.I kno a good deal about cars, but the 3000GT is pretty rare and its hard
to find good advice when your the only one in the neighborhood with it. i
just wanna make sure i dont waste time, or money, or effort, and make the
car
run
as good and healthy as possible. thanx for your help

  -mike  97 red SL

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:22:09 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

OK, looks like I'm going to do it -- run the Nebraska open road race (gulp)

www.arnold-ne.com/raceframe.html

I'll probably run in the Grand Sport category in the 120 mph group, because it's the fastest class that does not require a roll bar. This requires me to run an average speed of 120 mph without exceeding 140. (If time and finances permit, I may put in a roll bar).

So what do I have to do to keep a 94 VR4 running at 120+ for 50 miles in the heat of August?

On the track, I get overheating problems if I run too much 2nd and 3rd gear boost. Think this might happen at 120+ in 5th and 6th gear?  Or will there be enough air to keep temps down?

I can easily reach the necessary speeds with stock boost. Think I need to turn down the boost control to stock to preserve the engine?  Or will I need to keep the boost control set high to maintain enough horsepower? 

I have Alamo intercoolers, so I should not get heat sink, right?

My initial thoughts are to run 103 octane,  stock Michelin Pilots (it's a rough course, so it might damage race tires), and install a front air dam and chin spoiler. Brakes should not be a problem. Any other advice?

Has anybody done this before?

Here's a weird question that has NEVER appeared on the list before: How can I hook a Halda Twinmaster 100th-reading odometer to a VR4 speedometer? Or, failing that, what is the state of the art in rally odometers? Is there a wireless sending unit that will send a pulse to an odo  readout inside the car, so I don't need cables? Can I tap into the ABS sensor for a pulse?

Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4 w Alamos, DSBC, Stillen, custom catback, K&N, BOV, Supra pump
Ground Control, Eibachs, camber plates, Big Reds, SS lines, Motul 600

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:30:52 -0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

One thing to consider to get better airflow when running sustained
high speeds is to remove the air conditioner fan so it does not impede the
air coming through.

- -----Original Message--------------------------------------------------
From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:22 AM
To: 3sracers@speedtoys.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: 3S-Racers: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

OK, looks like I'm going to do it -- run the Nebraska open road race (gulp)

www.arnold-ne.com/raceframe.html

I'll probably run in the Grand Sport category in the 120 mph group, because
it's the fastest class that does not require a roll bar. This requires me to
run an average speed of 120 mph without exceeding 140. (If time and finances
permit, I may put in a roll bar).

So what do I have to do to keep a 94 VR4 running at 120+ for 50 miles in the
heat of August?

On the track, I get overheating problems if I run too much 2nd and 3rd gear
boost. Think this might happen at 120+ in 5th and 6th gear?  Or will there
be enough air to keep temps down?

I can easily reach the necessary speeds with stock boost. Think I need to
turn down the boost control to stock to preserve the engine?  Or will I need
to keep the boost control set high to maintain enough horsepower? 

I have Alamo intercoolers, so I should not get heat sink, right?

My initial thoughts are to run 103 octane,  stock Michelin Pilots (it's a
rough course, so it might damage race tires), and install a front air dam
and chin spoiler. Brakes should not be a problem. Any other advice?

Has anybody done this before?

Here's a weird question that has NEVER appeared on the list before: How can
I hook a Halda Twinmaster 100th-reading odometer to a VR4 speedometer? Or,
failing that, what is the state of the art in rally odometers? Is there a
wireless sending unit that will send a pulse to an odo  readout inside the
car, so I don't need cables? Can I tap into the ABS sensor for a pulse?

Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4 w Alamos, DSBC, Stillen, custom catback, K&N, BOV, Supra pump
Ground Control, Eibachs, camber plates, Big Reds, SS lines, Motul 600

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:27:58 -0800
From: "ek2mfg" <ek2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

you will have a co-pilot Mr. old poop...make your co-pilot work for
you with a GPS like the real boys.....then depending on your finances
you could easily return it  after the wekend or keep something that
is usefull for all year... I would (this is just my opinion)make a
spread sheet of the course....excell or something like that....reach
certain points via the gps by a stop watch and then
compensate...nothing says you cant do 10 mph the last 1000ft :)

wish they had this on the west coast

bobk.
slowless in seattle

- ---- Original Message ----
From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net
To: 3sracers@speedtoys.com, Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:22:09 -0600

>OK, looks like I'm going to do it -- run the Nebraska open road race
>(gulp)
>
>www.arnold-ne.com/raceframe.html
>
>I'll probably run in the Grand Sport category in the 120 mph group,
>because it's the fastest class that does not require a roll bar.
>This requires me to run an average speed of 120 mph without
>exceeding 140. (If time and finances permit, I may put in a roll
>bar).
>
>So what do I have to do to keep a 94 VR4 running at 120+ for 50
>miles in the heat of August?
>
>On the track, I get overheating problems if I run too much 2nd and
>3rd gear boost. Think this might happen at 120+ in 5th and 6th gear?
> Or will there be enough air to keep temps down?
>
>I can easily reach the necessary speeds with stock boost. Think I
>need to turn down the boost control to stock to preserve the engine?
> Or will I need to keep the boost control set high to maintain
>enough horsepower? 
>
>I have Alamo intercoolers, so I should not get heat sink, right?
>
>My initial thoughts are to run 103 octane,  stock Michelin Pilots
>(it's a rough course, so it might damage race tires), and install a
>front air dam and chin spoiler. Brakes should not be a problem. Any
>other advice?
>
>Has anybody done this before?
>
>Here's a weird question that has NEVER appeared on the list before:
>How can I hook a Halda Twinmaster 100th-reading odometer to a VR4
>speedometer? Or, failing that, what is the state of the art in rally
>odometers? Is there a wireless sending unit that will send a pulse
>to an odo  readout inside the car, so I don't need cables? Can I tap
>into the ABS sensor for a pulse?
>
>Rich/slow old poop
>94 VR4 w Alamos, DSBC, Stillen, custom catback, K&N, BOV, Supra pump
>Ground Control, Eibachs, camber plates, Big Reds, SS lines, Motul 600

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:38:06 -0600
From: "McFarland, Jason M." <McFarlandJ@health.missouri.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Actually most of these open road races do have rules about how slow you can go and they won't allow you to go 10mph the last 1000ft.

- -----Original Message-----
From: ek2mfg [mailto:ek2mfg@foxinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:28 PM
To: merritt@cedar-rapids.net; 3sracers@speedtoys.com;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

you will have a co-pilot Mr. old poop...make your co-pilot work for
you with a GPS like the real boys.....then depending on your finances
you could easily return it  after the wekend or keep something that
is usefull for all year... I would (this is just my opinion)make a
spread sheet of the course....excell or something like that....reach
certain points via the gps by a stop watch and then
compensate...nothing says you cant do 10 mph the last 1000ft :)

wish they had this on the west coast

bobk.
slowless in seattle

- ---- Original Message ----
From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net
To: 3sracers@speedtoys.com, Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:22:09 -0600

>OK, looks like I'm going to do it -- run the Nebraska open road race
>(gulp)
>
>www.arnold-ne.com/raceframe.html
>
>I'll probably run in the Grand Sport category in the 120 mph group,
>because it's the fastest class that does not require a roll bar.
>This requires me to run an average speed of 120 mph without
>exceeding 140. (If time and finances permit, I may put in a roll
>bar).
>
>So what do I have to do to keep a 94 VR4 running at 120+ for 50
>miles in the heat of August?
>
>On the track, I get overheating problems if I run too much 2nd and
>3rd gear boost. Think this might happen at 120+ in 5th and 6th gear?
> Or will there be enough air to keep temps down?
>
>I can easily reach the necessary speeds with stock boost. Think I
>need to turn down the boost control to stock to preserve the engine?
> Or will I need to keep the boost control set high to maintain
>enough horsepower? 
>
>I have Alamo intercoolers, so I should not get heat sink, right?
>
>My initial thoughts are to run 103 octane,  stock Michelin Pilots
>(it's a rough course, so it might damage race tires), and install a
>front air dam and chin spoiler. Brakes should not be a problem. Any
>other advice?
>
>Has anybody done this before?
>
>Here's a weird question that has NEVER appeared on the list before:
>How can I hook a Halda Twinmaster 100th-reading odometer to a VR4
>speedometer? Or, failing that, what is the state of the art in rally
>odometers? Is there a wireless sending unit that will send a pulse
>to an odo  readout inside the car, so I don't need cables? Can I tap
>into the ABS sensor for a pulse?
>
>Rich/slow old poop
>94 VR4 w Alamos, DSBC, Stillen, custom catback, K&N, BOV, Supra pump
>Ground Control, Eibachs, camber plates, Big Reds, SS lines, Motul 600

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:34:37 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

I didn't know we had one.
Just two fans behind the radiator, right?

Rich

At 10:30 AM 3/27/02 -0700, Floyd, Jim wrote:
>
> One thing to consider to get better airflow when running sustained
>high speeds is to remove the air conditioner fan so it does not impede the
>air coming through.

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:41:02 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Whoever wins the class will enter the last checkpoint with an average speed of 120.00 mph exactly. GPS is not exact enough. Ya need exact mileages. And you cannot slow down on course, especially in sight of a checkpoint. It's cause for exclusion.

At 11:27 AM 3/27/02 -0800, ek2mfg wrote:
>you will have a co-pilot Mr. old poop...make your co-pilot work for
>you with a GPS like the real boys.....then depending on your finances
>you could easily return it  after the wekend or keep something that
>is usefull for all year... I would (this is just my opinion)make a
>spread sheet of the course....excell or something like that....reach
>certain points via the gps by a stop watch and then
>compensate...nothing says you cant do 10 mph the last 1000ft :)

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:48:06 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Help with datalogger knock

{{{Posted for Bill, who has no outgoing email right now.  Please direct
replies to him at: billvp@highstream.net}}}

Pocketlogger showing high knock at low boost.

I made my first ever run with the pocketlogger in, and I was very
disappointed in the knock sums I was getting -- at only 11 psi!!  Please
check out my log at http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71407.

I have 15G's, 550 injectors, Walbro pump, VPC, SAFC, EGT gauge, O2 gauge
(new O2 sensors also), boost controller, full exhaust, etc.

Thanks,

Bill

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:00:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

1) install Evans NPG+ as coolant
2) you shoudlnt overheat..as the high-load, low speed issues shoundt be
there like a road course
3) race rubber is pretty strong..I dont see them having a race like this
on chunked highway.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:

> OK, looks like I'm going to do it -- run the Nebraska open road race (gulp)
>
> www.arnold-ne.com/raceframe.html
>
> I'll probably run in the Grand Sport category in the 120 mph group, because it's the fastest class that does not require a roll bar. This requires me to run an average speed of 120 mph without exceeding 140. (If time and finances permit, I may put in a roll bar).
>
> So what do I have to do to keep a 94 VR4 running at 120+ for 50 miles in the heat of August?
>
> On the track, I get overheating problems if I run too much 2nd and 3rd gear boost. Think this might happen at 120+ in 5th and 6th gear?  Or will there be enough air to keep temps down?
>
> I can easily reach the necessary speeds with stock boost. Think I need to turn down the boost control to stock to preserve the engine?  Or will I need to keep the boost control set high to maintain enough horsepower? 
>
> I have Alamo intercoolers, so I should not get heat sink, right?
>
> My initial thoughts are to run 103 octane,  stock Michelin Pilots (it's a rough course, so it might damage race tires), and install a front air dam and chin spoiler. Brakes should not be a problem. Any other advice?
>
> Has anybody done this before?
>
> Here's a weird question that has NEVER appeared on the list before: How can I hook a Halda Twinmaster 100th-reading odometer to a VR4 speedometer? Or, failing that, what is the state of the art in rally odometers? Is there a wireless sending unit that will send a pulse to an odo  readout inside the car, so I don't need cables? Can I tap into the ABS sensor for a pulse?
>
> Rich/slow old poop
> 94 VR4 w Alamos, DSBC, Stillen, custom catback, K&N, BOV, Supra pump
> Ground Control, Eibachs, camber plates, Big Reds, SS lines, Motul 600

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:08:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

At the rates he will be moving, and the HP levels hes at..I dont see that
as an issue.

Just upgrade to a racing coolant..and call it done.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:

> I didn't know we had one.
> Just two fans behind the radiator, right?
>
> Rich
>
> At 10:30 AM 3/27/02 -0700, Floyd, Jim wrote:
> >
> > One thing to consider to get better airflow when running sustained
> >high speeds is to remove the air conditioner fan so it does not impede the
> >air coming through.

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:07:24 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

At 12:00 PM 3/27/02 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
>1) install Evans NPG+ as coolant

What's that? Never heard of it.

>2) you shoudlnt overheat..as the high-load, low speed issues shoundt be
>there like a road course

Hope not.

>3) race rubber is pretty strong..I dont see them having a race like this
>on chunked highway.

It was a recommendation from the race organizers.

Rich

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:20:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

http://www.evanscooling.com/

Stable to 350d, doesnt increase in pressure as it heats..get NPG+.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:

> At 12:00 PM 3/27/02 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
> >1) install Evans NPG+ as coolant
>
> What's that? Never heard of it.
>
> >2) you shoudlnt overheat..as the high-load, low speed issues shoundt be
> >there like a road course
>
> Hope not.
>
> >3) race rubber is pretty strong..I dont see them having a race like this
> >on chunked highway.
>
> It was a recommendation from the race organizers.
>
> Rich

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:18:08 -0800
From: "ek2mfg" <ek2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Well it seems the first to say something gets the torch....glad to
see it hasn't changed. My point was that with distance and time you
could layout a time table for every 10th of a mile...you will have
the course map before the race and a GPS WILL get you within 3yrds.
of where you are.....mark out the points for distance and time with
your co-pilot (cuz you will be flying after all) ...it will be over
in 30 minutes anyway...when you finish the run just ask people who
have done it before...you will most certainly have 1 more run than
most on this list.

Green in envy....
bobk.

- ---- Original Message ----
From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net
To: ek2mfg@foxinternet.com, 3sracers@speedtoys.com,
>Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:41:02 -0600

>Whoever wins the class will enter the last checkpoint with an
>average speed of 120.00 mph exactly. GPS is not exact enough. Ya
>need exact mileages. And you cannot slow down on course, especially
>in sight of a checkpoint. It's cause for exclusion.
>
>At 11:27 AM 3/27/02 -0800, ek2mfg wrote:
>>you will have a co-pilot Mr. old poop...make your co-pilot work for
>>you with a GPS like the real boys.....then depending on your
>finances
>>you could easily return it  after the wekend or keep something that
>>is usefull for all year... I would (this is just my opinion)make a
>>spread sheet of the course....excell or something like that....reach
>>certain points via the gps by a stop watch and then
>>compensate...nothing says you cant do 10 mph the last 1000ft :)

***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:29:32 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

A>My point was that with distance and time you
>could layout a time table for every 10th of a mile..

Actually, you have a very good idea there.
I don't know why I didn't think of it before.

At 120 mph, the min per mile factor is 0.50 (30 seconds/mile). That means, all I have to do is divide every instruction by 2, and it gives me the time that I should execute each instruction. For example, I should encounter "Suhr's Place" exactly 2 min and 30 sec after leaving the start line, and I should enter checkpoint 1 exactly 3.65 min (3 min 39 sec) after starting the leg.

Who needs a Halda or a GPS?
The mileage-based instructions (see below) should work just fine.

That solves THAT little problem.

Thanks.
Rich
>
>0.0 START LINE  
  0.1 Dip in Road  
  0.5 Go uphill  
  0.6 Down  
  0.7 Left bend  
  1.1 Down straight  
  1.1 Right bend   
  1.4 Uphill left bend Judkins Hill
  1.5 Guard rails start  
  1.7 Left bend  
  1.8 Right bend  
  2.0 Left bend  
  2.1 Right bend  
  2.3 Long sweeping right bend downhill Into .7 mile Straight
  3.0 Left bend uphill Into .4 mile Straight
  3.4 Left bend Into .3 mile Straight
  3.7 Right bend  
  3.9 Left bend Into uphill straight
    Dip Straight downhill
  5.0   Suhr's Place
  5.3 1st road intersection Mills Valley Road
  5.5   Lucus's Place
  6.3 Left turn  
Checkpoint 1 7.3

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:31:46 -0500
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Couple comments.

I ran the Sept. '99 Silver State Classic in the 125mph average speed class.
This was the fastest they would allow me to go without a roll bar or cage.
It was a standing start and we couldn't exceed 140 mph during the 90 mile
course.  My car didn't even break a sweat at those speeds.  A perfect time
would have been 43 minutes 12 seconds as I recall and we were about 2
seconds off which put us in 6th / 19 cars in our class.  A Viper won our
class with the aid of GPS, most teams with GPS did extremely well.

BTW - Ken Kribley (sp?) often runs the SSC in his nearly stock 1st gen VR-4
and has won the 150 and 155 mph class more than once.

These events are a blast, I will again head west for the SSC once my '92
gets back on the road (with a cage).  I'm building my safety equipment to
pass the tech inspection for speeds up to 180mph.  After that, it gets very
expensive to pass tech.

Joe Gonsowski
'92 & '96 R/T TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: "ek2mfg" <ek2mfg@foxinternet.com>; <3sracers@speedtoys.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

> Whoever wins the class will enter the last checkpoint with an average
speed of 120.00 mph exactly. GPS is not exact enough. Ya need exact
mileages. And you cannot slow down on course, especially in sight of a
checkpoint. It's cause for exclusion.
>
> At 11:27 AM 3/27/02 -0800, ek2mfg wrote:
> >you will have a co-pilot Mr. old poop...make your co-pilot work for
> >you with a GPS like the real boys.....then depending on your finances
> >you could easily return it  after the wekend or keep something that
> >is usefull for all year... I would (this is just my opinion)make a
> >spread sheet of the course....excell or something like that....reach
> >certain points via the gps by a stop watch and then
> >compensate...nothing says you cant do 10 mph the last 1000ft :)

***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:45:57 -0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Joe,

Are you going with a roll cage or roll bar ?
What brand are you using ?

- -----Original Message-------------------------------
From: Joe Gonsowski [mailto:twinturbo@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:32 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Couple comments.

I ran the Sept. '99 Silver State Classic in the 125mph average speed class.
This was the fastest they would allow me to go without a roll bar or cage.
It was a standing start and we couldn't exceed 140 mph during the 90 mile
course.  My car didn't even break a sweat at those speeds.  A perfect time
would have been 43 minutes 12 seconds as I recall and we were about 2
seconds off which put us in 6th / 19 cars in our class.  A Viper won our
class with the aid of GPS, most teams with GPS did extremely well.

BTW - Ken Kribley (sp?) often runs the SSC in his nearly stock 1st gen VR-4
and has won the 150 and 155 mph class more than once.

These events are a blast, I will again head west for the SSC once my '92
gets back on the road (with a cage).  I'm building my safety equipment to
pass the tech inspection for speeds up to 180mph.  After that, it gets very
expensive to pass tech.

Joe Gonsowski
'92 & '96 R/T TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: "ek2mfg" <ek2mfg@foxinternet.com>; <3sracers@speedtoys.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

> Whoever wins the class will enter the last checkpoint with an average
speed of 120.00 mph exactly. GPS is not exact enough. Ya need exact
mileages. And you cannot slow down on course, especially in sight of a
checkpoint. It's cause for exclusion.
>
> At 11:27 AM 3/27/02 -0800, ek2mfg wrote:
> >you will have a co-pilot Mr. old poop...make your co-pilot work for
> >you with a GPS like the real boys.....then depending on your finances
> >you could easily return it  after the wekend or keep something that
> >is usefull for all year... I would (this is just my opinion)make a
> >spread sheet of the course....excell or something like that....reach
> >certain points via the gps by a stop watch and then
> >compensate...nothing says you cant do 10 mph the last 1000ft :)

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:48:30 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Joe:

Sounds like you are telling me the 120 mph class is no big deal for our cars, and I should not worry about the mechanicals. That about it?
If so, that is a huge relief. Thanks.

Rich

>From: Joe Gonsowski [mailto:twinturbo@comcast.net]
>
>I ran the Sept. '99 Silver State Classic in the 125mph average speed class.
>This was the fastest they would allow me to go without a roll bar or cage.
>It was a standing start and we couldn't exceed 140 mph during the 90 mile
>course.  My car didn't even break a sweat at those speeds.

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:45:36 -0500
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

It will be a custom 6 point cage.  Details are still a bit fuzzy, but I will
likely be contracting the job to Roush.  I need to first get the car running
and make some decent 1/4 mile passes.  After all, drag racing is MUCH more
important than road racing although I enjoy both.

My cage will meet IHRA & NHRA requirements for a 10 second car.  This cage
would easily meet the SSC Grand Sport requirements of a roll bar which will
allow speeds up to 165mph and 150 average.  I just re-read the requirements
for a 180 tech speed and may not go that far (I think the rules have changed
since '99).  I'll have to be satisfied with participating in a 150 average
speed class (very large and competitive class).

Joe G.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

> Joe,
>
> Are you going with a roll cage or roll bar ?
> What brand are you using ?
>
> -----Original Message-------------------------------
> From: Joe Gonsowski [mailto:twinturbo@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:32 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles
>
>
> Couple comments.
>
> I ran the Sept. '99 Silver State Classic in the 125mph average speed
class.
> This was the fastest they would allow me to go without a roll bar or cage.
> It was a standing start and we couldn't exceed 140 mph during the 90 mile
> course.  My car didn't even break a sweat at those speeds.  A perfect time
> would have been 43 minutes 12 seconds as I recall and we were about 2
> seconds off which put us in 6th / 19 cars in our class.  A Viper won our
> class with the aid of GPS, most teams with GPS did extremely well.
>
> BTW - Ken Kribley (sp?) often runs the SSC in his nearly stock 1st gen
VR-4
> and has won the 150 and 155 mph class more than once.
>
> These events are a blast, I will again head west for the SSC once my '92
> gets back on the road (with a cage).  I'm building my safety equipment to
> pass the tech inspection for speeds up to 180mph.  After that, it gets
very
> expensive to pass tech.
>
> Joe Gonsowski
> '92 & '96 R/T TT

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:52:55 -0500
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

I bet you spend more time with a vacuum in the manifold than boost.  A
couple minutes into the race, after you get used to the wind noise, you'll
think 120mph is slow.  Just put it in overdrive and have fun, the engine
will not be working very hard to maintain 120mph (road load still low,
aero-drag not yet taking off).

Joe G.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

> Joe:
>
> Sounds like you are telling me the 120 mph class is no big deal for our
cars, and I should not worry about the mechanicals. That about it?
> If so, that is a huge relief. Thanks.
>
> Rich

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:10:56 EST
From: DonBrando36@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: summit racing product

    i saw in the march/april magazine of summit racing, a throttle body
spacer that increases the velocity of the air and fuel.  It says that it
improves fuel atomization and increases combustion.  Has anyone used it, and
do you think i shoud try it?  its only $89.95.
        thanks

brandon
93 3000GT N/A

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:18:12 -0600
From: "Trevor James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

I did some testing here on the plains here in Kansas when my car was BPU. On
flat land I was in solid vaccum until 100mph when the car started
occasionally getting into positive boost. EGT's were 1530-1560F at 100mph.
Of course this a 6 speed car in 6th gear...the 5 speed may be able to hold
higher speeds in 5th without requiring positive manifold pressure.

Trevor
96 R/T TT, 11.82@116.1, 93 Octane & Plain Radials
97 VR-4, Bone diggily stock!

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Gonsowski" <twinturbo@comcast.net>
To: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>; "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles


> I bet you spend more time with a vacuum in the manifold than boost.  A
> couple minutes into the race, after you get used to the wind noise, you'll
> think 120mph is slow.  Just put it in overdrive and have fun, the engine
> will not be working very hard to maintain 120mph (road load still low,
> aero-drag not yet taking off).
>
> Joe G.

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:34:21 -0700
From: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

How does the NPG+ not increase in pressure at the temperature increases?
According to PV=nRT, if the temperature increases the pressure has to
increase, if the volume of the coolant system is constant and the amount of
coolant inside the coolant system is constant.

Paul

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Cc: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

> http://www.evanscooling.com/
>
> Stable to 350d, doesnt increase in pressure as it heats..get NPG+.
>
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:
>
> > At 12:00 PM 3/27/02 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
> > >1) install Evans NPG+ as coolant
> >
> > What's that? Never heard of it.
> >
> > >2) you shoudlnt overheat..as the high-load, low speed issues shoundt be
> > >there like a road course
> >
> > Hope not.
> >
> > >3) race rubber is pretty strong..I dont see them having a race like
this
> > >on chunked highway.
> >
> > It was a recommendation from the race organizers.
> >
> > Rich

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:45:56 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

The equation you quoted is for gases not liquids or solids.

        Jim Berry
=============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>


> How does the NPG+ not increase in pressure at the temperature increases?
> According to PV=nRT, if the temperature increases the pressure has to
> increase, if the volume of the coolant system is constant and the amount of
> coolant inside the coolant system is constant.
>
> Paul

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:50:16 -0700
From: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Apparently that's why it doesn't make sense. :)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
To: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

> The equation you quoted is for gases not liquids or solids.
>
>         Jim Berry
> =============================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>
>
>
> > How does the NPG+ not increase in pressure at the temperature increases?
> > According to PV=nRT, if the temperature increases the pressure has to
> > increase, if the volume of the coolant system is constant and the amount
of
> > coolant inside the coolant system is constant.
> >
> > Paul

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:34:28 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: AVCR Learn Mode clarification

> The bigger question is what happens if I open the throttle by 86% and it
> starts learning. Will it then learn to produce partial boost (0.86 bar) or
> the full boost (1 bar). Will it then overshoot if I open it to 100% after
> it learns???

If you learn your baseline duty curve at WOT, this shouldn't be a problem.
If you began driving and never exceeded 86% throttle (pretty unlikely), then
the Apexi would learn that your 86% throttle position to be the max and
adjust (up) your curve accordingly.  Just floor it once in awhile and you
won't have a problem :).

> Page 30 also says:
> "If the Start Duty is set to 0%, the self learning will be active."
>
> I was able to make the AVCR learn even with the Start Duty set at 25%, so
I
> do not understand what they wanted to say here. That was in 2nd gear and
> there was no overshooting because the Duty was set low.

If you indeed had Start Duty set, you were not learning for that gear.  A
Start Duty setting other than 0 disables learning for that gear.  If you
meant that you had an "Initial Duty" setting, then you could indeed be
learning.

- -Ken

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:45:25 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: AVCR Learn Mode clarification

>I have not tried it yet, but what I ideally want to see is the
>solenoid duty cycle that immediately goes up to 100% when I
>step on gas and then, after the boost raises to target, sharply
>down to whatever is needed to maintain the target boost. This
>could all be monitored in the 2-channel Y-time display mode. It
>could also be recorded for 30 seconds and then played back.

When you monitor the boost and solenoid values, what you will see is that
the solenoid value immediatly jumps up to 90% upon WOT.  Then just before
your desired boost is attained, the solenoid value drops to your learned
curve.  The solenoid value then smoothly curves upward (following your
learned curve) as RPM increases.

- -Ken

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:38:53 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: AVCR Learn Mode clarification

> more runs with take care of that.  Which brings up my next question, how
> many runs need to be run in order for it to have "learned" the gear ?

The more runs, the better the curve.  However, it only takes 3 or so
accellerations from around 2K to Redline in one gear to get a decent curve.

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:14:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

But not all fluids do this linearly..or at all.

They comment that a 0psi system is perfectly stable.  Youd have to ask
them.

Of course, if you reach 350d or so, thier product WILL boil..which will
raise pressure.  But if you reach that point..you have far larger issues.


On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Paul Prentis wrote:

> How does the NPG+ not increase in pressure at the temperature increases?
> According to PV=nRT, if the temperature increases the pressure has to
> increase, if the volume of the coolant system is constant and the amount of
> coolant inside the coolant system is constant.
>
> Paul
>

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:53:19 +0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Re: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag  transmission

I don't think the gear box it self is the problem... The main problem is the clutch.

Not that the clutch can't handle power it's just that Mitsubishi know that we are poor stick drivers and tryed to help us by putting a "valve plate" in the bleeder housing. This makes the clutch slip some every time you press it down and release it. I believe that this slip causes alot of the syncro problems by not letting the clutch engage quick enough.

If you press down the clutch and just as quickly as possible removes you foot, what will happen? The clutch pedal will "slowly" come back up. If you remove this valve and do the same the pedal will be as quick as you foot!

The Mitsu Evo 6 we have here in sweden (around 80 cars) have all been recalled becasuse all smoke the clutch within a few weeks. What Mitsu does is to remove the clutch restriction and after that no more clutch problems.

I also found this page on the net http://www.jumptronix.com/2g_go_faster/Faqs/clutch_restrictor_removal_faq.htm

If you do this you must understand that your car will be harder to drive.

However, the transfer case is the worst crap that someone ever built. You just need to take a two second look at it to see that there just is no way a tiny  ugly thing like that can hold even the stock power. Getrag must have been on crack when they designed that junk.

/Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:34:12 +0000
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag  transmission

Does this apply to aftermarket clutches as well? I have
an RPS ][. Do i need to go through this?

  Alex

'95 Vr4 with a bad tranny.
> I don't think the gear box it self is the problem... The main problem is the
> clutch.
>
> Not that the clutch can't handle power it's just that Mitsubishi know that we
> are poor stick drivers and tryed to help us by putting a "valve plate" in the
> bleeder housing. This makes the clutch slip some every time you press it down
> and release it. I believe that this slip causes alot of the syncro problems by
> not letting the clutch engage quick enough.
>
> If you press down the clutch and just as quickly as possible removes you foot,
> what will happen? The clutch pedal will "slowly" come back up. If you remove
> this valve and do the same the pedal will be as quick as you foot!
>
> The Mitsu Evo 6 we have here in sweden (around 80 cars) have all been recalled
> becasuse all smoke the clutch within a few weeks. What Mitsu does is to remove
> the clutch restriction and after that no more clutch problems.
>
> I also found this page on the net
> http://www.jumptronix.com/2g_go_faster/Faqs/clutch_restrictor_removal_faq.htm
>
> If you do this you must understand that your car will be harder to drive.
>
> However, the transfer case is the worst crap that someone ever built. You just
> need to take a two second look at it to see that there just is no way a tiny 
> ugly thing like that can hold even the stock power. Getrag must have been on
> crack when they designed that junk.
>
> /Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:01:55 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: starting problem

Hey all-

here's the scoop.

Thanks for bringing that up. My existing ignition coil was out of spec. I
bought a new one, and it is just as far out of spec. I believe that the FSM
manual has an error in it. I found the camshaft timing marks to be off. That
would probably stop it from starting, huh? I might replace the crankshaft
angle sensor while I'm in there, and do some of the 60,000 mile work that's
been pending. Nevertheless, what this means is that my belt slipped. It's
prone to do it again, so I'm going to get the thing replaced and talk to my
mechanic about what else could have gone wrong (bent valves, etc.) as a
result of the belt slipping.

Riyan
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Middaugh [mailto:kmiddaugh@ixpres.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:13 PM
To: Riyan Mynuddin
Subject: Re: Team3S: starting problem

Hi Riyan,

> When you replaced the ignition module, do you remember testing it all
first?

Nope.  I was too lazy to try to understand the procedure listed in chapter
13 of my service manual.  I did check the camshaft angle sensor (mine is a
'91 VR4) and it checked out fine.  I finally decided to start replacing
things with the least expensive first.  The ignition module was about $160
from Norco Mitsubishi.

Good luck!
- -Ken

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:01:27 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: summit racing product

At 21:10 27.03.2002 -0500, DonBrando36@aol.com wrote:
>     i saw in the march/april magazine of summit racing, a throttle body
>spacer that increases the velocity of the air and fuel.  It says that it
>improves fuel atomization and increases combustion.  Has anyone used it, and
>do you think i shoud try it?  its only $89.95.
>         thanks

No, I think you should not try it. Fuel is injected to the valves and not
the close to the throttle body. It will not help at all if not being a
restriction. And even if the air is smoothened out after the TB it is only
from the TB to the runners and that's it.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:50:37 -0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S: Uh-oh, oil where it shouldn't be?

Hi all,

When re-gapping my plugs this past week, I noticed that there was a small
amount of oil in 2 places.  This concerned me somewhat and I thought I'd ask
if this was normal.  This was the first time I'd removed the plenum so I
wasn't sure.

I found a small amount of oil:

1. in the top-rear intercooler pipe
2. on the intake plenum gasket

I checked the Y-pipe and it was clean.  I have 2 pics of the gasket I can
send to anyone who can help diagnose.  Is this a problem?

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:24:00 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag  transmission

I looked at the manual and the drawings do show a valve plate in the
output of the clutch slave cylinder --- it's function is not described and
I can't tell from the drawing. Removing it as described on the net may
indeed increase clutch response speed.


        Jim Berry
================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <apedenko@attbi.com>
To: "Mikael Kenson" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>; "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag transmission

> Does this apply to aftermarket clutches as well? I have
> an RPS ][. Do i need to go through this?
>
>   Alex
>
> '95 Vr4 with a bad tranny.
> > I don't think the gear box it self is the problem... The main problem is the
> > clutch.
> >
> > Not that the clutch can't handle power it's just that Mitsubishi know that we
> > are poor stick drivers and tryed to help us by putting a "valve plate" in the
> > bleeder housing. This makes the clutch slip some every time you press it down
> > and release it. I believe that this slip causes alot of the syncro problems by
> > not letting the clutch engage quick enough.
> >
> > If you press down the clutch and just as quickly as possible removes you foot,
> > what will happen? The clutch pedal will "slowly" come back up. If you remove
> > this valve and do the same the pedal will be as quick as you foot!
> >
> > The Mitsu Evo 6 we have here in sweden (around 80 cars) have all been recalled
> > becasuse all smoke the clutch within a few weeks. What Mitsu does is to remove
> > the clutch restriction and after that no more clutch problems.
> >
> > I also found this page on the net
> > http://www.jumptronix.com/2g_go_faster/Faqs/clutch_restrictor_removal_faq.htm
> >
> > If you do this you must understand that your car will be harder to drive.
> >
> > However, the transfer case is the worst crap that someone ever built. You just
> > need to take a two second look at it to see that there just is no way a tiny 
> > ugly thing like that can hold even the stock power. Getrag must have been on
> > crack when they designed that junk.
> >
> > /Mikael http://www.3000gt.nu

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:28:58 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Uh-oh, oil where it shouldn't be?

I've noticed a small amount of oil in my system ---- more like a misting with
a drop or two at the bottom of some spaces, I think that's normal. As to how
much is abnormal I don't know.

        Jim Berry
===========================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
To: "Team3s (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>; <stealth@starnet.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:50 AM
Subject: Team3S: Uh-oh, oil where it shouldn't be?

> Hi all,
>
> When re-gapping my plugs this past week, I noticed that there was a small
> amount of oil in 2 places.  This concerned me somewhat and I thought I'd ask
> if this was normal.  This was the first time I'd removed the plenum so I
> wasn't sure.
>
> I found a small amount of oil:
>
> 1. in the top-rear intercooler pipe
> 2. on the intake plenum gasket
>
> I checked the Y-pipe and it was clean.  I have 2 pics of the gasket I can
> send to anyone who can help diagnose.  Is this a problem?
>
> Dave 95VR4
> http://www.daveblack.net

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:41:50 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Boost II

Geoff,

You are right.  The instructions just have to be followed.  Many of us who
do our own work do it in desperation because we can't find anyone who WILL
just follow the instructions.  I'm glad Rich has found a shop that he's
happy with.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:47 PM
> To: 3sracers@speedtoys.com
> Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: 3S-Racers: Boost II
>
> Jeesh..the car is immaterial.
>
> The instructions just need to be read.
>
> Once you start doing your own work Rich, you'll understand just how
> _easy_ it really all is.

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:01:38 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: quick favor to ask when you start your car

Are you sure you didn't blow the y-pipe loose from the throttle body or from
the two intercooler returns?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Riyan Mynuddin [SMTP:riyan@hotpop.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:41 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: quick favor to ask when you start your car
>
>
> -----
> watch the tachometer for me, and let me know if it shows the CRANKING
> SPEED
> as your car starts. OR does it just rest at flat zero until the engine
> begins to turn on its own. my tachometer is FLAT at zero AS THE CAR
> CRANKS,
> and I feel that this is directly related to why it's not starting (I
> suspect
> bad timing belt, crankshaft position sensor, or harness)
> ---
>
>
> quoting FSM for 93 dodge stealth rt tt, pg 14A-88:
>
> "Hint 3: If the tachometer reads 0 rpm when the engine that has failed to
> start is cranked, faulty crankshaft position sensor or broken timing belt
> is
> suspected"
>
> are they referring to ECU represented tach rpm read through a scan tool,
> or
> simple in-dash tach? because my in-dash tachometer DOES read 0 rpm at
> crank,
> and unfortunately I don't have a scan tool yet to read the ECU rpm at this
> point.
>
> the car just died after I had floored it and taken an exit off the
> freeway.
> maybe I broke the belt? I've been working on this for weeks on and off,
> and
> I'd feel like an idiot if it's that simple of a problem. but it happens to
> the best of us. we'll see tomorrow morning when I get some light around
> here.
>
> Riyan
> 93 dodge stealth rt tt

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:09:55 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles

Come on Paul - that's the universal GAS law.  We are hoping that Rich's
coolant remains in a liquid state.

Chuck
(I didn't get a "D" in Physical Chemistry for nothin')

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Prentis [SMTP:paul@ppeengineering.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:34 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Running Flat Out for 50 miles
>
> How does the NPG+ not increase in pressure at the temperature increases?
> According to PV=nRT, if the temperature increases the pressure has to
> increase, if the volume of the coolant system is constant and the amount
> of
> coolant inside the coolant system is constant.
>
> Paul

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:16:50 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: What are my brakes?

My confuser crashed, and I lost all my e-mail files.

Does anybody know what the model numbers are for ordering brake pads for Brad's Big Red Porsche TT brakes?

I gotta order a set of Panther pads, and I never know what to say when they ask "which model 993 Porsche?"

Brad, you out there?  I lost your address too.

Rich/slow old poop
Big Red brakes

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:30:31 -0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: What are my brakes?

Tell them you want #901771 or #993335194900 for a '96 TT 911 (model
993 or 996)

- -----Original Message-----
From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:17 AM
To: 3sracers@speedtoys.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: 3S-Racers: What are my brakes?

My confuser crashed, and I lost all my e-mail files.

Does anybody know what the model numbers are for ordering brake pads for
Brad's Big Red Porsche TT brakes?

I gotta order a set of Panther pads, and I never know what to say when they
ask "which model 993 Porsche?"

Brad, you out there?  I lost your address too.

Rich/slow old poop
Big Red brakes

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:38:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Casey Rayman <theturbodog@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Gretag  transmission

> This makes the clutch slip
> some every time you press it down and release it. I believe that
> this slip causes alot of the syncro problems by not letting the
> clutch engage quick enough.

How fast the clutch engages has very little to do with synchro wear
unless the gear is not fully engaged, but thats not really the
cltuches fault.  However if the clutch is not releasing quickly
enough or does not release completely this could cause accelerated
synchro wear.

I think more likely the Mitsubishi trannies are a significant
compromise.  Torque holding vs. Space.  Four important facts making a
good transmission hard to build: The engine compartments of the
Mitsubishi's are quite tight, the power must change directions
several times, they make alot of torque, and they are heavy.  Lots of
torque requires big heavy gears, but you can't make them too big
because of space restrictions.  If you need to make a gear just a
little bigger then the shift/synchro mechanism must give or the whole
transmission must get bigger.  One method to win this synchro space
back is the dual-cone type synchros.  Esentially two synchros half as
wide but arranged concentrically.

It's relatively easy to design a transmission for a 2500lb car making
a stump pulling 120 lb-ft of torque.  It's quite another to build one
to take 300 lb-ft in a 4000lb car in approximately the same amount of
space.

One other note... I do not know of any other Getrag(there may be some
I just don't know of any) transaxle that takes heavy gear oil.  Most
of the ones I have experience with use either ATF or Synthetic Motor
oil(15w50 etc.).  This says to me there is a possibility that the
transmission is not designed quite large enough and the fluid was
thickened to compensate.  Or it could be a heat issue which is also
closely related to the life of most components.  I wonder sometimes
if an external cooler+pump with lighter oil could do the job.

To put it in other terms(obviously not an exact representation but
you get the idea I hope)...Think of the synchro as a tire.  If you
were to make a tire sticky enough you could easily equip the 3000
with a 205 width tire having performance equal, but it would wear out
in 3 or 4 trips around the block.  However if you made the tire very
hard and long lasting it would have to be a 275 width for performance
to remain the same.  What if you were absolutely limited by some
space requirement to the 205 width tire and could not fit a 275
width?  You would have to give up performance, lighten the car, or
live with a short tire lifespan.  In terms of synchros this would be
slower shifts, lighter gears, or short synchro life.

Casey

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:40:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Casey Rayman <theturbodog@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: quick favor to ask when you start your car

The tach stays on zero in my '92 until the key is released from
start.  However the datalogger shows rpm any time the engine is
turning, and actually shows the output from the crank sensor as a
high/low signal indication.

Casey

- --- Riyan Mynuddin <riyan@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> -----
> watch the tachometer for me, and let me know if it shows the
> CRANKING SPEED
> as your car starts. OR does it just rest at flat zero until the
> engine
> begins to turn on its own. my tachometer is FLAT at zero AS THE CAR
> CRANKS,
> and I feel that this is directly related to why it's not starting
> (I suspect
> bad timing belt, crankshaft position sensor, or harness)
> ---
>
>
> quoting FSM for 93 dodge stealth rt tt, pg 14A-88:
>
> "Hint 3: If the tachometer reads 0 rpm when the engine that has
> failed to
> start is cranked, faulty crankshaft position sensor or broken
> timing belt is
> suspected"
>
> are they referring to ECU represented tach rpm read through a scan
> tool, or
> simple in-dash tach? because my in-dash tachometer DOES read 0 rpm
> at crank,
> and unfortunately I don't have a scan tool yet to read the ECU rpm
> at this
> point.
>
> the car just died after I had floored it and taken an exit off the
> freeway.
> maybe I broke the belt? I've been working on this for weeks on and
> off, and
> I'd feel like an idiot if it's that simple of a problem. but it
> happens to
> the best of us. we'll see tomorrow morning when I get some light
> around
> here.
>
> Riyan
> 93 dodge stealth rt tt

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:57:41 -0800
From: Michael Gerhard <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
Subject: Team3S: Running Full Out at the Silver State Classsic

So far I have devoted my higher speed driving to the High Performance
Driving School (Thunderhill at Willows, CA). The recent thread on driving
on closed hi-ways sounds really cool. I'm thinking that the closest race to
the west coast is the Silver State Classic in Nevada. It is a timed rally
type race and I'm hearing that those who do the best at holding the perfect
average speed do using a GPS unit.

I'm thinking ahead toward doing the two races in September 2003 during
"Speed Week". I've got 18 months to prepare. I think just doing the races
will be a hoot. However, it would be nice to actually do well in them.
Thus, I'm looking for some 20-50 mile long lonely roads (with curves and
elevation changes) in central or northern California which I could treat as
a rally course to practice (operating within the speed limits). I'd like
roads free of stops if possible. Basically, I'd like to figure out how to
run this type of race using a stop watch, GPS, calculator, etc. I live in
the San Francisco Bay area so the closer the better. I can think of some 10
mile roads around here, but I think traffice might be a problem.

For those who are interested in the Silver State Classic, the web site is...

www.silverstateclassic.com

Also, the driving school at Thunderhill is a great way to get track time
and instruction for a great price (currently $195 for 5-6 20 minute
sessions on the track, instruction, lunch, end-of-day snacks/drinks, and a
T-shirt). The next classes are May 5, June 1, and June 22. Several of us
have signed up for May 5 and I am planning on going to both days in June.
Hope to see some more 3S cars up there. Thunderhill is 7 miles west of
Willows and about 120 miles north of San Francisco on Interstate 5.

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White

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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:06:10 -0600
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Running Full Out at the Silver State Classsic

How about the Pacific Coast Highway ?  Lots of twists and turns and goes for
quite bit.  I am referring to the part just south of Carmel.  Maybe make it
a weekend trip.  Not too far from San Fran.....

Just a thought.

Francis
'96 RT/TT

- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gerhard [mailto:gerhard1@llnl.gov]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:58 AM
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Running Full Out at the Silver State Classsic

So far I have devoted my higher speed driving to the High Performance
Driving School (Thunderhill at Willows, CA). The recent thread on driving
on closed hi-ways sounds really cool. I'm thinking that the closest race to
the west coast is the Silver State Classic in Nevada. It is a timed rally
type race and I'm hearing that those who do the best at holding the perfect
average speed do using a GPS unit.

I'm thinking ahead toward doing the two races in September 2003 during
"Speed Week". I've got 18 months to prepare. I think just doing the races
will be a hoot. However, it would be nice to actually do well in them.
Thus, I'm looking for some 20-50 mile long lonely roads (with curves and
elevation changes) in central or northern California which I could treat as
a rally course to practice (operating within the speed limits). I'd like
roads free of stops if possible. Basically, I'd like to figure out how to
run this type of race using a stop watch, GPS, calculator, etc. I live in
the San Francisco Bay area so the closer the better. I can think of some 10
mile roads around here, but I think traffice might be a problem.

For those who are interested in the Silver State Classic, the web site is...

www.silverstateclassic.com

Also, the driving school at Thunderhill is a great way to get track time
and instruction for a great price (currently $195 for 5-6 20 minute
sessions on the track, instruction, lunch, end-of-day snacks/drinks, and a
T-shirt). The next classes are May 5, June 1, and June 22. Several of us
have signed up for May 5 and I am planning on going to both days in June.
Hope to see some more 3S cars up there. Thunderhill is 7 miles west of
Willows and about 120 miles north of San Francisco on Interstate 5.

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White

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