Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Wednesday, March 27 2002   Volume 01 : Number 794




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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:58:25 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: buying a VR-4

>If >there are any other tips about buying an after 94'
>vr-4 I'd love to hear them!

The 6-speed transmissions break their 1-2 synchros at about 60,000 miles, and the replacement cost is around $3,000 at the dealer (can't be fixed, just replaced).
It also requires a timing belt and water pump replacement at 60,000 miles ($800 at the dealer).

If the car is under 60,000 miles, get a warranty that covers the tranny.
If the car is over 60,000 miles, try to get an aftermarket warranty if you can. Otherwise, ask for proof that both problems have been taken care of.
Otherwise, budget about $4,000 for repairs at 60K miles.

My daughter has an absolutely cherry red 91 Stealth for sale if you are interested -- 44,000 miles with a 70,000 mile warranty and all the typical mods (boost controller, BOV, lowered, chromies, Borla) -- for $13,000. Yes, it's above book, but well worth it.

Plan to race the car?  Buy one that's already set up with all the goodies.

I have such a car -- a 94 VR4, set up for road racing, not drags -- if you are interested.

Rich/94 VR4

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:22:37 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Triple digits

Anybody run this one?

www.bigbendopenroadrace.com

It looks like a real hoot. If you did, tell us about it.

If not, let's start planning to send a contingent next year.
I'll bet Roger and the boys in Yurp can help us set up our cars to run 59 miles flat out.

Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:41:02 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Triple digits

Seems like it could be fun.....  anybody wanna be a late entry and report
back to the list?  I will definitely be trying to do this next year

Rich were do you find these things ?!?!?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:23 PM
> To: 3sracers@speedtoys.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Triple digits
>
> Anybody run this one?
>
> www.bigbendopenroadrace.com
>
> It looks like a real hoot. If you did, tell us about it.
>
> If not, let's start planning to send a contingent next year.
> I'll bet Roger and the boys in Yurp can help us set up our cars to run 59
> miles flat out.
>
> Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:44:45 -0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Triple digits

Same place as this one.
www.silverstateclassic.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Furman, Russell [mailto:RFurman2@MassMutual.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:41 AM
To: 'merritt@cedar-rapids.net'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Triple digits

Seems like it could be fun.....  anybody wanna be a late entry and report
back to the list?  I will definitely be trying to do this next year

Rich were do you find these things ?!?!?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:23 PM
> To: 3sracers@speedtoys.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Triple digits
>
> Anybody run this one?
>
> www.bigbendopenroadrace.com
>
> It looks like a real hoot. If you did, tell us about it.
>
> If not, let's start planning to send a contingent next year.
> I'll bet Roger and the boys in Yurp can help us set up our cars to run 59
> miles flat out.
>
> Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:48:18 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Triple digits

>
>Rich were do you find these things ?!?!?

Try this one:
www.ecta-lsr.com

It's a land speed record deal somewhere on the East Coast. I found this link, but haven't tracked it any farther yet. If anybody figures it out, let me know.

Rich

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:37:58 -0500
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC-R question

>Others will probably tell you this too: run the NGK plugs.  For boosting
>@ 1 bar you probably want a gap of 0.032".  If more boost you can go
>even lower.

If the Iridiums blow up I will then get the NGK's or copper plugs.

>However, you cannot boost safely above 1 bar if you do not have bigger
>injectors and fuel pump.  Tell us your mods please.

Here you go:

My mods that are already installed:
Apexi AVC-R
Apexi S-AFC
Apexi ITC
SPI Boost Gauge
Intellitronix Air/Fuel Gauge
Street Dyno
Battery in the trunk
Cool front Super Bumper (busted a little)

Mods soon to be installed:
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs
Magnecor Spark Plug Wires
Supra Fuel Pump
Denso 550 cc Injectors
TEC 15G Turbos
Westach Dual EGT Gauge
PPE FMIC Pipe Kit (after I make the FMIC)
MSD Knock Alert (maybe)
Air horns (very loud)

Future mods:
Air filter
Standalone ECU or datalogging with some reliable knock detection
Homemade precat eliminators or just gutted precats
Downpipe and exhaust
RPS Clutch and Fidanza aluminum flywheel
Water injection
A bigger MAS sensor
Sway bars and springs
Rounder rims and W-rated tires that probably won't blow up at 200 MPH
More gadgets and other cool stuff!

Philip
'95 Red R/T TT

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:55:50 -0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: AVCR Learn Mode clarification - was RE: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC -R question

Can someone please clarify a point about Learn Mode on the AVCR?  I have
heard that you do not want to leave the AVCR in Learn Mode because it
constantly adjusts regardless of how hard you drive on the throttle.  What
is stated below suggests that the AVCR adjusts settings for Learn Mode ONLY
when throttle is above 85%.  Can someone please point to a reference with
printed fact of which is correct?  Where did the 85% figure come from?

Thanks.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mihai Raicu [mailto:mraicu@wayne.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:52 AM
To: 'Philip V. Glazatov'; team3s@team3s.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC-R question

Philip,

I'm glad things are starting to work. 

used 38% for the "Duty". The AVCR adjusted the "Duty"
> to 68% at high RPM and did not do anything yet at low RPM. Then I was
> trying to change both the "Start Duty" and the "Duty". They work in
tandem
> - if one is higher the other has to be lower. I made only about 20 WOT
> runs
> with different initial settings and was able to get this thing to
start
> learning several times even with the "Start Duty" at 25% and the
"Duty" at
> 28%. Weird. Need to go play again! ;-)

The Start Duty shifts up/down the normal Duty curve by X% for the
appropriate gear.  I thought learning mode was disabled for each gear
where you had a start duty setting.  There is no reason to have start
duty settings in every gear.  Tune your car to hit the target boost in a
gear (3rd is best) and then if the other gears are not hitting it adjust
accordingly.  Gear 1 and 2 will underboost, therefore you will bump up
the start duty here, while gear 4 and five you may need to lower the
start duty by 1-3% due to overboosting.

>
> Several people that I talked to leave the AVCR in the learning mode in
one
> or two gears to let it constantly adjust itself for weather and
> temperature
> changes. I have read that it only learns if the throttle is >85%, so I
> guess if the "Start Duties" are set right it should not overboost too
bad
> even if you do not drive it hard very often.

Now, since you have 0% as a Start Duty in 3rd, you can leave the
learning mode on here.  In my opinion you need this because the
difference in temperature between morning and afternoon can be as much
as 50 deg F during the summer.  This affects your boost settings
somewhat.  If you have your car tuned for morning temps, it will
underboost in the afternoon (warmer).  If you have your car tuned for
afternoon, it will overboost in the morning. If your car always hits
target boost, there is no need to leave it in learning mode.

Those "Start Duties" are the
> trickiest ones in this boost controller. I have not figured them out
just
> yet.

Tune your car in one gear without start duties, then go back and adjust
up/down each other gear.  It should probably follow the following trend:

Gear 1 2 3 4 5
Start Duty +10% +5% 0 -1% -2%

Gear 4 and 5 may be able to stay at 0%.

> I am having spark blowout therefore I could not boost higher. I will
be
> replacing the spark plugs this week to fix that. I have those
Iridiums,
> need to be careful with those tiny central electrodes. BTW, what is
the
> recommended gap for running 1 - 1.2 bar (14.5 - 17.4 psi)? Is it
0.034" or
> 0.029"?
>

Others will probably tell you this too: run the NKG plugs.  For boosting
@ 1 bar you probably want a gap of 0.032".  If more boost you can go
even lower.  You can also consider getting the NKG's one range colder.
If you search the archives, someone posted the part numbers in the past.
Consult others on the list before you do this. 

However, you cannot boost safely above 1 bar if you do not have bigger
injectors and fuel pump.  Tell us your mods please.

Boost safely.

- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:53:32 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Here's another one!

We have time to get into this one, gang!
I think I will...anybody want to join me?

 http://www.arnold-ne.com/raceframe.html

Rich/slow old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:12:01 EST
From: Merlin916@aol.com
Subject: Re: AVCR Learn Mode clarification - was RE: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC -R ques...

85% or sometimes even 80% is the definition of wide open throttle.  It
triggers your fuel injection to go to full rich (100% injector duty cycle). 
This is where the AVCR wants to learn because it will allow the most air to
flow and the greatest combustion to occur.

Joe

93 RT/TT
02 WRX

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:37:05 -0500
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: AVCR Learn Mode clarification - was RE: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC -R question

>Can someone please clarify a point about Learn Mode on the AVCR?  I have
>heard that you do not want to leave the AVCR in Learn Mode because it
>constantly adjusts regardless of how hard you drive on the throttle.  What
>is stated below suggests that the AVCR adjusts settings for Learn Mode
ONLY
>when throttle is above 85%.  Can someone please point to a reference with
>printed fact of which is correct?  Where did the 85% figure come from?


The 85% figure is from the AVC-R manual, page 23. It states:
"If the throttle position is over 85% and the boost pressure is stable, the
unit will begin self learning the solenoid valve duty cycle. ...
... The unit will NOT self learn if the boost pressure level is too low or
the boost pressure is overshooting."

The bigger question is what happens if I open the throttle by 86% and it
starts learning. Will it then learn to produce partial boost (0.86 bar) or
the full boost (1 bar). Will it then overshoot if I open it to 100% after
it learns???

Page 30 also says:
"If the Start Duty is set to 0%, the self learning will be active."

I was able to make the AVCR learn even with the Start Duty set at 25%, so I
do not understand what they wanted to say here. That was in 2nd gear and
there was no overshooting because the Duty was set low.

Philip

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:51:58 -0600
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject: RE: AVCR Learn Mode clarification - was RE: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC -R question

I just started playing around with mine again yesterday and I had the duty
set at 67% and all gear initial duty at 0% except 1st (+50%) and I was
getting right up to 1.2.  Only overboosted once or twice.  My initial runs
made it up to 1.17-1.19.  So far it hasn't learned yet, but hopefully a few
more runs with take care of that.  Which brings up my next question, how
many runs need to be run in order for it to have "learned" the gear ?

Francis
'96 RT/TT
- -- SAVC-R
- -- Spearco WI
- -- Magnacore wires
- -- Autometer Boost Gauge
- -- RPS TCC Clutch
- -- HKS MegaFlow intake
- -- Freeflow precats
- -- Goodridge Steel Braided Brake Lines
- --  Porterfield Cryo/Crossdrilled Rotors w/R4S pads
- -- 1G DSM BOV
- -- Ground Control springs(500/300 F/R)
- -- Supra Fuel Pump
- -- Stillen DP
- -- Borla Exhaust

In case anyone was wondering why I am boosting up to 1.2.........

>>The 85% figure is from the AVC-R manual, page 23. It states:
>>"If the throttle position is over 85% and the boost pressure is stable,
the
>>unit will begin self learning the solenoid valve duty cycle. ...
>>... The unit will NOT self learn if the boost pressure level is too low or
>>the boost pressure is overshooting."

>>The bigger question is what happens if I open the throttle by 86% and it
>>starts learning. Will it then learn to produce partial boost (0.86 bar) or
>>the full boost (1 bar). Will it then overshoot if I open it to 100% after
>>it learns???

>>Page 30 also says:
>>"If the Start Duty is set to 0%, the self learning will be active."

>>I was able to make the AVCR learn even with the Start Duty set at 25%, so
I
>>do not understand what they wanted to say here. That was in 2nd gear and
>>there was no overshooting because the Duty was set low.

>>Philip

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:10:25 -0500
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: AVCR Learn Mode clarification - was RE: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC -R question

>So far it hasn't learned yet, but hopefully a few
>more runs with take care of that.  Which brings up my next question, how
>many runs need to be run in order for it to have "learned" the gear ?

You will know that it has learned if the duty cycle numbers stop adjusting
themselves from run to run.

I have not tried it yet, but what I ideally want to see is the solenoid
duty cycle that immediately goes up to 100% when I step on gas and then,
after the boost raises to target, sharply down to whatever is needed to
maintain the target boost. This could all be monitored in the 2-channel Y-
time display mode. It could also be recorded for 30 seconds and then played
back.

Philip

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:56:12 -0700
From: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Here's another one!

If you are seriously going to do it, then I might join you.  What division
would you enter in?  Grand Touring?

Paul

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: <3sracers@speedtoys.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Cc: <cathi_grier@cmfz.com>; <gcathi@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:53 PM
Subject: Team3S: Here's another one!

> We have time to get into this one, gang!
> I think I will...anybody want to join me?
>
http://www.arnold-ne.com/raceframe.html
>
> Rich/slow old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:15:08 -0500
From: "Joshua G. Prince" <joshua@unconundrum.com>
Subject: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag transmission

Hi everyone, I am looking for some help.  My mother's spyder's 2nd
synchro went in her 95 spyder.  It had been replaced less then 10,000
miles ago for the same problem.  It was documented that at 3,000 miles,
I felt there was a problem.  The dealership said no, it is just how the
transmission is.  I have been away and when I came back the 2nd synchro
was clearly grinding.  We took the car in and the dealership said
Mitsubishi refused to cover it.  We brought them the paperwork showing
it was in only after 3000 miles and that I noted a problem then with the
transmission, Mitsubishi still wants to do nothing.  Well my father
being a lawyer is fed up and is going to be filing suit against
Mitsubishi for this issue and also for the issue of not allowing parts
to be sold to fix the transmission since that is a form of a monopoly.
Anyway, he asked that I get as much information from everyone as
possible as to who all has had their transmissions in the vr-4's
replaced and how many times.  I would like to stick with the 2nd gen
transmission replacements for the time being.  Also, if you would not
mind providing us with the VIN, it would be EXTREMELY helpful in the
suit.  If there are other people in the Pa area who are having issues
with their transmission and would like to also be listed as defendants
or such in the case, let me know.  I don't believe he is going to try
this federally but I may be wrong.  Maybe we will get lucky and get
Mitsubishi to change their tune with a lawsuit.  It is a shame they want
to go to this since it is going to cost them a hell of a lot more then a
transmission for lawyers fees.  Thank you all for your time and
assistance 

Joshua Prince
joshua@unconundrum.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:09:52 -0700
From: "Mike & Cathy" <micajoco@theofficenet.com>
Subject: Team3S: trans info

Hey---Everyone heres the opportunity to support a person that is willing to
challenge our transmition problems. Everyone needs to send information
available. I have a 1st gen. but would be quick to respond. Mitsubishi needs
to here from the numbers----- get with it or quit complaining.
Mike S 92 rt tt

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:16:44 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag transmission

I got my 94 VR4 changed under an aftermarket warranty (General Motors) at 65,000 miles.
The dealer put in a brand new Mitsubishi rebuilt tranny with a factory 12,000 mile, one-year warranty.
It immediately started leaking.
Mitsu paid for a $600 repair, which consisted of disassembling half the car and installing some stupid seal, which didn't stop the leak.
It is still leaking like a sieve, and Satan has refused to do any more.
The aftermarket warranty doesn't cover it, because it's covered by the Mitsu warranty.

I don't know if this helps. If it does, I'll cooperate in any way I can.

If you can check the archives somewhere, we went through all this two years ago, and somebody collected the names and experiences of a dozen or so other people who had Getrag warranty problems.

Rich/94 VR4

>Well my father
>being a lawyer is fed up and is going to be filing suit against
>Mitsubishi for this issue and also for the issue of not allowing parts
>to be sold to fix the transmission since that is a form of a monopoly.
>Anyway, he asked that I get as much information from everyone as
>possible as to who all has had their transmissions in the vr-4's
>replaced and how many times. 

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:36:57 -0800
From: Yoss <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag transmission

On Tue, Mar 26, 2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net <merritt@cedar-rapids.net> wrote:
> I got my 94 VR4 changed under an aftermarket warranty (General Motors) at 65,000 miles.
> The dealer put in a brand new Mitsubishi rebuilt tranny with a factory 12,000 mile, one-year warranty.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There's the problem right there.  I'm currently on tranny# 4, all of
them being rebuilt ones.  Mitsu is very good at taking something that is
screwed up and turning it into something that is fucked up.

- --
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Worry is a human emotion.
    -- Spock, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.4.
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:15:52 +0000
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Subject: Team3S: Unrestricted exhaust

This is something that's been bugging me - we go to
great lengths to get a free-flowing exhaust. Gut the
pre-cats, eliminate the main cat, put on a free-er
flowing catback, etc. But the one issue that I haven't
seen tackled is the actual shape of the catback. The
downpipe leads the exhaust back to the catback, at
which point it splits into two sections, making two 90
degree turns as a result. What I mean is (go ascii
art!!!)

front of car
   ^
   |
   |
 X-X----X
 |      |  
 |      |

rear of car

The Xs are the bends i'm talking about. How much of a
restriction do they pose, and how much would a
straighter pipe make things better? I understand that a
straight catback would probably require modifications
to the gas tank, but...

just tryin' to think outside the box

Alex

'95 Vr4 with a pitch-fork exhaust.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:23:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Unrestricted exhaust

How much..a lot.

But the aftermarket world solves those problems.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 apedenko@attbi.com wrote:

> This is something that's been bugging me - we go to
> great lengths to get a free-flowing exhaust. Gut the
> pre-cats, eliminate the main cat, put on a free-er
> flowing catback, etc. But the one issue that I haven't
> seen tackled is the actual shape of the catback. The
> downpipe leads the exhaust back to the catback, at
> which point it splits into two sections, making two 90
> degree turns as a result. What I mean is (go ascii
> art!!!)
>
>
> front of car
>    ^
>    |
>    |
>  X-X----X
>  |      |  
>  |      |
>
> rear of car
>
> The Xs are the bends i'm talking about. How much of a
> restriction do they pose, and how much would a
> straighter pipe make things better? I understand that a
> straight catback would probably require modifications
> to the gas tank, but...
>
> just tryin' to think outside the box
>
> Alex
>
> '95 Vr4 with a pitch-fork exhaust.

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:29:09 +0000
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Unrestricted exhaust

What do you mean? Is there a straight catback made by
someone? Do you have a link?

Alex.
> How much..a lot.
>
> But the aftermarket world solves those problems.
>
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 apedenko@attbi.com wrote:
>
> > This is something that's been bugging me - we go to
> > great lengths to get a free-flowing exhaust. Gut the
> > pre-cats, eliminate the main cat, put on a free-er
> > flowing catback, etc. But the one issue that I haven't
> > seen tackled is the actual shape of the catback. The
> > downpipe leads the exhaust back to the catback, at
> > which point it splits into two sections, making two 90
> > degree turns as a result. What I mean is (go ascii
> > art!!!)
> >
> >
> > front of car
> >    ^
> >    |
> >    |
> >  X-X----X
> >  |      |  
> >  |      |
> >
> > rear of car
> >
> > The Xs are the bends i'm talking about. How much of a
> > restriction do they pose, and how much would a
> > straighter pipe make things better? I understand that a
> > straight catback would probably require modifications
> > to the gas tank, but...
> >
> > just tryin' to think outside the box
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > '95 Vr4 with a pitch-fork exhaust.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:57:17 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Unrestricted exhaust

A> But the one issue that I haven't
>seen tackled is the actual shape of the catback. The
>downpipe leads the exhaust back to the catback, at
>which point it splits into two sections, making two 90
>degree turns as a result.

Yeah, that bugged me too. So I had Denny's Muffler shop here in Cedar Rapids make me up a catback straight through exhaust for less than $200. They cut the stock pipe just aft of the rear flex bushing, and ran it to a single straight-tru Xlerator muffler on the driver's side. The pipe makes two gentle 45 deg bends getting there. I don't have a fancy dual Borla exhaust, but it works great. LOUD, too, without cats.

I still think the Stillen downpipe and my custom catback are the best performance mods I made to the car. I highly recommend both.

Rich/94 VR4

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:14:26 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: starting problem

Hey guys,

My car is still giving me hell. I'm the one with the rusted capacitor. I
have changed the capacitor, ignition coil, spark plugs, and wires. I also
ran the diagnostic on the power transistor. Nothing worked. Still no spark.
I'm fed up since I took a good amount of my car apart and got nowhere. I'm
going to take the thing to my mechanic tomorrow morning, who suspects that
it could be the crankshaft position sensor. I'm in no mood to go that far in
the engine again. If his diagnostic really does lead to the sensor, then
maybe I'll get him to change the timing belt while he's in there.
Nevertheless, I hope I'm at least a good piece of information to you guys
when this is all done.

Riyan

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:04:45 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: starting problem

:)

And about an hour and a half later... I'm changing my tone completely.
Forget taking my baby to the mechanic. I just learned that a scan tool is
not necessary to read trouble codes (all you need is a voltmeter) and that
there's really only two things left that could be causing my car not to
spark.

I do have some questions before I run out with the voltmeter tomorrow
morning. Will the ECU report a code 22 "no crankshaft position sensor
signal" even if the car does not start? It's kind of a catch 22, because
from my research I've heard that the ECU will not allow voltage to the
ignition system if it is not receiving feedback from the crankshaft position
sensor. That could explain the no spark condition. However, I am doubtful as
to whether there is sufficient voltage in the ECU to log codes WHILE the
engine is being cranked. Ever since the car died, I have disconnected the
battery, thus resetting the computer. Now the starter motor turns and I am
not sure if turning the motor alone will allow the ECU to capture the code.
Any idea what the requirements are for the ECU to begin logging? Also,
anyone know how the crankshaft position sensor signal is read? It would be
great if there's somewhere besides the actual harness connection in the
timing belt area where it can be measured. If I do have to go down there,
hopefully it's a simple 0-12V signal with an easily identifiable hot wire
and ground. If anyone knows details on this stuff, I'd be glad to have an
idea before pulling out the floor jack and ripping off the timing belt
covers.

I'd like to thank those who helped me out with information regarding the
capacitor, and I'd greatly appreciate help with this stage as well.


For the people that didn't see the previous thread: see "ignition coil
capacitor, spec, availability"
or read on:

My car died after I got off the freeway. It slowly lost power and started a
few times. Then it refused to start, and investigation leads to a no spark
condition. After replacing the capacitor, ignition coil, plugs, and wires,
and running the diagnostic on the power transistor, I put the car back
together and there's still no spark. All that is left are wire harnesses,
the crankshaft position sensor, and (hope not) an actual fault in the ECU.
So before I get impatient here and give some guy at a shop whatever's in my
wallet, I'm going to suck it up and check the last few possibilities. Wish
me luck.

Riyan

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Riyan Mynuddin
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:14 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: starting problem

Hey guys,

My car is still giving me hell. I'm the one with the rusted capacitor. I
have changed the capacitor, ignition coil, spark plugs, and wires. I also
ran the diagnostic on the power transistor. Nothing worked. Still no spark.
I'm fed up since I took a good amount of my car apart and got nowhere. I'm
going to take the thing to my mechanic tomorrow morning, who suspects that
it could be the crankshaft position sensor. I'm in no mood to go that far in
the engine again. If his diagnostic really does lead to the sensor, then
maybe I'll get him to change the timing belt while he's in there.
Nevertheless, I hope I'm at least a good piece of information to you guys
when this is all done.

Riyan

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:41:52 -0800
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: Team3S: Knocklink

Has anyone tried one of these with the Datalogger yet? Results if any?
What about the question of compensation for RPM and sensitivity? I have
a 94 and I will be needing a knock monitor and I am trying to avoid
going full out to the AEM PEMS to do it (if it ever is released) as I am
now officially a poor broke bastard again after paying for all of the
new mods. Any other new options?

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:40:30 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: quick favor to ask when you start your car

- -----
watch the tachometer for me, and let me know if it shows the CRANKING SPEED
as your car starts. OR does it just rest at flat zero until the engine
begins to turn on its own. my tachometer is FLAT at zero AS THE CAR CRANKS,
and I feel that this is directly related to why it's not starting (I suspect
bad timing belt, crankshaft position sensor, or harness)
- ---

quoting FSM for 93 dodge stealth rt tt, pg 14A-88:

"Hint 3: If the tachometer reads 0 rpm when the engine that has failed to
start is cranked, faulty crankshaft position sensor or broken timing belt is
suspected"

are they referring to ECU represented tach rpm read through a scan tool, or
simple in-dash tach? because my in-dash tachometer DOES read 0 rpm at crank,
and unfortunately I don't have a scan tool yet to read the ECU rpm at this
point.

the car just died after I had floored it and taken an exit off the freeway.
maybe I broke the belt? I've been working on this for weeks on and off, and
I'd feel like an idiot if it's that simple of a problem. but it happens to
the best of us. we'll see tomorrow morning when I get some light around
here.

Riyan
93 dodge stealth rt tt

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:29:46 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag transmission

Maybe not much of use for you guys but here some info from Europe.
Basically we have much, much less tranny problems than you guys in the US.
Even on other places in the world nowhere the problems are that known like
in the US. I don't know why but this is a fact.

My tranny has been replaced twice but Mitsubishi was not the problem at
all. It was and it still is always the knowledge problem of the people who
are working on the tranny or the parts around it. My first problem was the
clutch that then got replaced by Mitsubishi. I paid labour because I
damaged it. Although Mitsu was kind enough to pay the parts as they thought
that I shoudl be bale to damage it that quick. After a few thousand miles
the clutch went off again. The dealer found broken springs and finally
replaced the tranny for free as there was a problem arising due to the
broken parts. I was told the mechanic did something wrong and therefore
everything was covered. Later the output shaft was grinded down and Mitsu
again changed the tranny due to the metal particles spread around. Again no
cost for me as Mitsu said this is not normal.

There are five cars in Switzerland I know that they do have problems with
synchros. 4 of them are imported Stealths from the States. The european one
was repaired and had a leak afterwards. Blaming Mitsu ? No way as the
mechanic did it wrong. We brought it to the "right" dealer (the Mitsu
headquarter) and it was done again ... no problem since then.

I don't know why the diffs are that much between US and Europe besides that
we all are using the Castrol Synth tranny oil i nall cars.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:51:18 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: Team3S: FW: Where are these events held?

Here's what I got back as a reply for my question.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: landspeedracer [SMTP:landspeedracer@msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:05 PM
> To: Furman, Russell
> Subject: Re: Where are these events held?
>
> East Coast Timing Association
> 11241 Barnes Bridge Rd.
> Laurinburg, NC 28352
> 910-266-9868
> www.ecta-lsr.com
>
> Speed Trial Information
>
> Schedule of events for 2002 at Laurinburg-Maxton, NC
>
> March 23 & 24, April 27 & 28, May 25 & 26, June 29 & 30, Sept 28 & 29, Oct
> 26 & 27.
>
> We are using SCTA/BNI Bonneville rules with only minor changes for some
> safety concerns. Classes are the same, car or bike, except for the
> addition
> of a Street Legal and a Circle Track class. New 2002 ECTA rule books will
> be
> sent out hopefully in February. Any questions please call John at
> 910-266-9868, Lionel at 404-433-9306.
> e-mail address info@ecta-lsr.com.
>
> ECTA 2002 MEMBERSHIP - $50.
> Vehicle PRE-Entry Fees - $100. per event.
> Additional pit passes - $5. each.
> Extra rule books - $10. each
>
>
> 2002 Membership Form
>
> NAME:_______________________________
>
> ADDRESS:___________________________
>
> CITY:________________________________
>
> STATE:__________ ZIP:________________
>
> HOME PHONE:_________________ WORK HOME:_________________
>
> FAX NUMBER:________________ E-MAIL ADDRESS: _______________
>
>
> Please check the following category which you feel is the most
> comfortable:
> __ 1) Retain all the above information for ECTA use only.
> __ 2) Allow my mailing information (excluding phone numbers) to be
> distributed to
>  vendors and other race related organizations.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
> To: <info@ecta-lsr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:57 PM
> Subject: Where are these events held?
>
>
> > TO whom it may concern,
> >
> > where on the East Coast are these event held, how much is it to
> participate
> > at any given event and where can I locate a rules/guidelines book?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You for your assistance
> > Russell L Furman
> > 1993 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:30:30 -0800
From: "Chris Winkley" <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag transmission

Folks...

An Admin request...PLEASE send your information to Joshua privately at:

joshua@unconundrum.com

We don't need dozens of "here's my problem, here's my VIN" posted to the list. We all know our Getrag's have been a problem, it makes sense to help Joshua out, but we don't need the postings on the list. Thanks in advance!!!

Looking forward...Chris (Team3S Admin)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joshua G. Prince [mailto:joshua@unconundrum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:15 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: lawsuit against Mitsubishi regarding Gretag
transmission

Hi everyone, I am looking for some help.  My mother's spyder's 2nd
synchro went in her 95 spyder.  It had been replaced less then 10,000
miles ago for the same problem.  It was documented that at 3,000 miles,
I felt there was a problem.  The dealership said no, it is just how the
transmission is.  I have been away and when I came back the 2nd synchro
was clearly grinding.  We took the car in and the dealership said
Mitsubishi refused to cover it.  We brought them the paperwork showing
it was in only after 3000 miles and that I noted a problem then with the
transmission, Mitsubishi still wants to do nothing.  Well my father
being a lawyer is fed up and is going to be filing suit against
Mitsubishi for this issue and also for the issue of not allowing parts
to be sold to fix the transmission since that is a form of a monopoly.
Anyway, he asked that I get as much information from everyone as
possible as to who all has had their transmissions in the vr-4's
replaced and how many times.  I would like to stick with the 2nd gen
transmission replacements for the time being.  Also, if you would not
mind providing us with the VIN, it would be EXTREMELY helpful in the
suit.  If there are other people in the Pa area who are having issues
with their transmission and would like to also be listed as defendants
or such in the case, let me know.  I don't believe he is going to try
this federally but I may be wrong.  Maybe we will get lucky and get
Mitsubishi to change their tune with a lawsuit.  It is a shame they want
to go to this since it is going to cost them a hell of a lot more then a
transmission for lawyers fees.  Thank you all for your time and
assistance 

Joshua Prince
joshua@unconundrum.com

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:43:27 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: starting problem

Make sure that your battery is fully charged, low battery voltage can cause
the ECU to malfunction.

Did you verify you're getting fuel ---- pull a spark plug after turning it over a
few times and see if they're wet from fuel.

        Jim Berry
=================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>

> :)
>
> And about an hour and a half later... I'm changing my tone completely.
> Forget taking my baby to the mechanic. I just learned that a scan tool is
> not necessary to read trouble codes (all you need is a voltmeter) and that
> there's really only two things left that could be causing my car not to
> spark.
>
> I do have some questions before I run out with the voltmeter tomorrow
> morning. Will the ECU report a code 22 "no crankshaft position sensor
> signal" even if the car does not start? It's kind of a catch 22, because
> from my research I've heard that the ECU will not allow voltage to the
> ignition system if it is not receiving feedback from the crankshaft position
> sensor. That could explain the no spark condition. However, I am doubtful as
> to whether there is sufficient voltage in the ECU to log codes WHILE the
> engine is being cranked. Ever since the car died, I have disconnected the
> battery, thus resetting the computer. Now the starter motor turns and I am
> not sure if turning the motor alone will allow the ECU to capture the code.
> Any idea what the requirements are for the ECU to begin logging? Also,
> anyone know how the crankshaft position sensor signal is read? It would be
> great if there's somewhere besides the actual harness connection in the
> timing belt area where it can be measured. If I do have to go down there,
> hopefully it's a simple 0-12V signal with an easily identifiable hot wire
> and ground. If anyone knows details on this stuff, I'd be glad to have an
> idea before pulling out the floor jack and ripping off the timing belt
> covers.

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:11:03 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: starting problem

I just went through this myself.  Car would sometimes start, then die.
Other times it wouldn't start at all.  There were no ECU codes reported.  I
replaced the ignition module below the coil and that solved the problem.

Also, when I start my car, the tachometer doesn't move until the engine
fires.

Good luck,
Ken

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
To: "Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: starting problem


> :)
>
> And about an hour and a half later... I'm changing my tone completely.
> Forget taking my baby to the mechanic. I just learned that a scan tool is
> not necessary to read trouble codes (all you need is a voltmeter) and that
> there's really only two things left that could be causing my car not to
> spark.
>
> I do have some questions before I run out with the voltmeter tomorrow
> morning. Will the ECU report a code 22 "no crankshaft position sensor
> signal" even if the car does not start? It's kind of a catch 22, because
> from my research I've heard that the ECU will not allow voltage to the
> ignition system if it is not receiving feedback from the crankshaft
position
> sensor. That could explain the no spark condition. However, I am doubtful
as
> to whether there is sufficient voltage in the ECU to log codes WHILE the
> engine is being cranked. Ever since the car died, I have disconnected the
> battery, thus resetting the computer. Now the starter motor turns and I am
> not sure if turning the motor alone will allow the ECU to capture the
code.
> Any idea what the requirements are for the ECU to begin logging? Also,
> anyone know how the crankshaft position sensor signal is read? It would be
> great if there's somewhere besides the actual harness connection in the
> timing belt area where it can be measured. If I do have to go down there,
> hopefully it's a simple 0-12V signal with an easily identifiable hot wire
> and ground. If anyone knows details on this stuff, I'd be glad to have an
> idea before pulling out the floor jack and ripping off the timing belt
> covers.
>
> I'd like to thank those who helped me out with information regarding the
> capacitor, and I'd greatly appreciate help with this stage as well.
>
>
> For the people that didn't see the previous thread: see "ignition coil
> capacitor, spec, availability"
> or read on:
>
> My car died after I got off the freeway. It slowly lost power and started
a
> few times. Then it refused to start, and investigation leads to a no spark
> condition. After replacing the capacitor, ignition coil, plugs, and wires,
> and running the diagnostic on the power transistor, I put the car back
> together and there's still no spark. All that is left are wire harnesses,
> the crankshaft position sensor, and (hope not) an actual fault in the ECU.
> So before I get impatient here and give some guy at a shop whatever's in
my
> wallet, I'm going to suck it up and check the last few possibilities. Wish
> me luck.
>
> Riyan

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