Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Friday, March 22 2002    Volume 01 : Number 790




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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:24:19 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tein EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Suspension

Yes it is not hard to get out of the car and adjust to full-16
adjustment and go drive the circuit but it looks like the controller has
four so you can do all the corners.  What I like about the system is
that you can do it from inside the car.

At a track in Kansas you drive counter-clockwise.  Same at Pocono long
course (NASCAR-style).  At Mid-Ohio, Watkins Glen, and VIR you drive
clockwise.

>From hotel to track it is usually a mix.  Sit in the car with the track
tires on (only 5 miles to the track sometimes) and have fun.  Get to the
track and dial it in for track use.  Presto.  All set.

Sure it is another piece to fail on the car or to lose in an accident,
but when you have 20 minutes in a driving session you don't have time to
take turns 1, 2, 3, and 4 then come into the pits, change suspension, go
back out, and test again.  You DO have time to make adjustments from
inside the car.  That would be so ideal.

One more question, Mihai, ask them if they know about the hood change
from first gen to second.  It might be worth it to buy those $100 hoods
from a first gen, take out the pod on top, and have plenty of vertical
room to mount something on top of the shock tower.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-3 and no ECS so this is what I've been missing

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 14:38
 
Very interesting (the controller is the size of the small Blitz parts !)

I haven't found out if the kit fits all Tein shocks or the HA for our
cars.
Also I'd like to see how they are mounted ontop of the shocks. Possibly
fits
only with their plate.

So the function is that the 16 "click" adjusting is controlled by system
(it's not a big deal to do that) and this do the 4 stepper motors in the
housing. Nice idea. Now the greatest would be to combine this with a G
sensor and let thing do the work like our active system does . Mihai,
ask
them again for physical size and buidl a LEGO block of the same size to
see
if it may fit.

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:30:21 -0800
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

Unfortunately, I am doing a bunch of mods at once, mainly all intake,
exhaust, and drive train stuff. So I wont be able to tell with JUST the
cam gears. I might be able to set them at zero sometime when a g-tech or
dyno is available and then try to tune them and see what happens. But as
of now, I have neither at my disposal.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Floyd, Jim
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:45 AM
To: 'Team 3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

Matt,

Please let us know what you "feel" with the cam gears.

- -----Original Message-----
From: BlackLight [mailto:BlackLight@Planetice.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:28 PM
To: 'Furman, Russell'; 'Jannusch, Matt'
Cc: 'Team 3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

I just got the cam gears so I am just double checking to see if this is
the correct / best setting to go with? Advance intake +1 and retard
timing -3???

Again, no AWD Dyno for testing. My car WAS mostly stock, but we're
changing that as I type this. Mostly Intake / exhaust and driveline mods
so far.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Furman, Russell
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:08 AM
To: 'Jannusch, Matt'
Cc: 'Team 3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

On our cars I was told advance intake timing +1 deg and retard exhaust
timing -3 deg............

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannusch, Matt [SMTP:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:06 AM
> To: Team3S@team3s.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price
>
> > Is there a difference between a gear and a sprocket ?
>
> Gear/Sprocket - same thing in this case.
>
> My only question is what to set them to.  There aren't any AWD dynos
> in my local area so I'd have no idea how to set them up.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:39:05 -0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Another Apexi AVC-R question

Philip,

This message can be found in the archives from Dec 1, 01.  If you search
for AVC-R you should get quite a few hits.

- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mihai Raicu [mailto:mraicu@wayne.edu]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'dblai@allstate.com'; 'tt007ken@yahoo.com'
Cc: 'Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st'
Subject: RE: Apexi AVCR question (long, for archive purposes)

Dave,

>Why does it "overboost" to 1.10 when I have it set to 1.00 across all
>RPM bands?

ANSW: The boost that you set it to is desired/target boost.  The car
only uses it while it is trying to learn.  If learning is disabled, then
the duty settings are used to bleed off the right amount of air and
therefore result in a certain boost (dependent on temp, barometric
pressure, altitude, etc.).  So, if your duty is set too low, you will
never reach 1 bar.  If it is set too high, funny things can happen: you
will exceed 1 bar by a lot up to ~5000 RPM, and then drop; or your boost
can oscillate; neither of these scenarios are good.  So, your boost can
spike as much as 0.10 bars temporarily if you drive agressively, but if
it holds that constantly, you need to lower the duty curve until it
holds less than 1 bar, and then your car will learn.

Additions to what is written below:
I personally keep my AVC-R in constant learning mode in gears 3 and 4
only.  I personally do not want my curve to change based on gear 1
especially as that is very unreliable.  I have learning disabled for
gear 5 just as a precaution, in case the AVC-R decides to get confused
when I'm in 6th gear, although you should almost never floor the car in
6th (therefore, it's a bit of a redundant precaution).

The AVC-R behaves differently in different weather conditions.  In
summer you will need more duty than in winter.  When the weather changes
from winter to spring to summer, most likely your AVC-R will learn just
fine each and every day.  However, when you go from fall to winter, if
the weather changes too suddenly, you may need to drop the duty a few
percent across the board, otherwise your car may be prone to
overboosting, and therefore, disabled learning mode.

You need to make sure you have the correct gear judge values.

Here are my personal settings:

Duty settings vary from car to car (ie. some people like me use ~35%,
others 50%, others 70%, therefore do not reproduce my numbers, just
notice the trend).

I set my bost at 0.95 up to below 5000 PRM in order to minimize spikes
in the sweet spot of the turbos and/or on shifting quickly at redline.
This setup always keeps my spikes at or below 1, and once in a blue moon
at 1.05 (tolerable).

1. Boost/Duty
RPM Boost Duty
2500 0.95 27%
3000 0.95 27%
3500 0.95 35%
4000 0.95 28%
4500 0.95 31%
5000 1.00 33%
5500 1.00 37%
6000 1.00 34%

3. Gear Judge for 2nd gen VR4/TT (different values for 1st gen)
1st 107
2nd 63
3rd 41
4th 30
5th 23

4. FB Speed
1st 7
2nd 3
3rd 3
4th 2
5th 2

ETC
1. Car Select
Cylinders 6
Speed 4
Throttle points to 2 o'clock

Cyl = 6 when the RPM wire is connected to the purple wire.
Cyl = 1 when the IDC wire is connected to the purple wire.

2. Sensor Select
Relative 1

6. Start Duty
1st 0%
2nd 0%
3rd 0%
4th 0%
5th 0%

I included in this e-mail the comments from a good friend of mine, Ken:

QUOTE..KEN WROTE:
The Apexi indiglo SAVC-R should learn very easy and quickly.  You should
be able to learn a very good curve in five or six accelerations in 2nd
gear.  That should only take you a total of 6 minutes on a vacant road.
Once you get a good curve from 2nd gear, disable 2nd gear learning then
make some 3rd gear accelerations.

If your boost is spiking, then learning mode gets disabled.  If you are
spiking, then try LOWERING your initial Duty Cycle setting.  You should
have an initial setting in the 40's for a boost setting around 1.05
kg/cm^^2 ~= 15 psi.  Most people set the initial Duty Cycle way too
high, then overboost in low RPM which then disables learning.
END QUOTE

NEW QUOTE..KEN WROTE:
Here are a few tips on setup:

The controller allows you to specify your desired boost setting.  You
can also specify a "beginning point" for the duty cycle.  During
learning, the Apexi will learn the correct duty settings for specified
RPM bands.  It will also change the display of your setting, i.e 40% to
"***".

Specify desired boost setting, no higher than 1.05 though for a stock
fuel system.  Specify duty cycle - I use 40% for peak boost of 1.05.

Perform WOT accellerations from 2000 RPM to Redline.  Do 5-6 accels in
2nd gear, then 4+ in 3rd gear.


>How do I verify that the AVCR is in learn mode? [DAVE WROTE THIS Q]
The Apexi computer seems to always be learning if all the following
criteria are
met:
1) Throttle is above certain %, close to WOT (i.e. it only learns when
you "floor it")
2) Boost pressure doesn't exceed your specified setting
3) "Learn Gear" is enabled (for gear in which you wish to learn in)
4) "Start Duty" is set to zero (for gear in which you wish to learn in)
5) You are reading RPM signal, not IDC signal.
6) Cylinder setting is set to 6

If you overboost, then lower your "beginning point" duty setting.

I have Learn Gear normally disabled for 1st & 2nd.  During intitial
setup, I enable 2nd Learn Gear to quickly learn settings.  It is easy to
do a half dozen accels to redline in 2nd, and much more difficult to
find the road to get to redline in 3rd or higher gears ;).  After values
are learned, I disable 2nd and just let 3rd+ "maintain" the learned
settings.

RPM rise so rapidly in 1st that 1st gear learning isn't realistic.  In
order to build the maximum boost in 1st, I have the Start Duty set to
+50%.  A Start Duty setting other than "0" will disable learning mode
for that gear.  A Start Duty setting is an adjustment to the baseline
duty cycle curve that the Apexi has learned.  This allows you to control
over and under boosting for different gears.

The FeedBack setting affects the speed of the solenoid control.  You
want to specify a setting as high as possible.  However, if the setting
is too high, the boost will oscillate around the set point.  Use the
graph to see this.  Start high, then lower the setting until boost stops
oscillating and holds steady.

My current settings (from memory) are:

RPM Boost Setting
0-4000 1.00
4000-5000 1.05
5000+ 1.00

      Gear 1 2 3 4 5
Learn Gear X X O O O
Start Duty +50 0 0 0 0
FeedBack 9 7 5 3 3

You could probably set Start Duty for 2nd to be +2 or so to get a slight
overboost.  2nd gear accels are fairly quick so there probably isn't too
much risk of detonation.
END QUOTE

Personal opinion: if you get oscillation while AVC-R is trying to learn,
you risk not learning.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR-4
received lots of help with my installation and tuning of AVC-R from a
few off this list (both local and across the country/world)

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:58:17 -0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: FW: EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Question

Roger, Flash, or other qualified suspension people,

Here is the response to my question from TEIN (sales@tein.com ).
Someone that knows more about this topic should write to them and then
report to the list.

If the 1.5"x1.5" boxes do not fit on top of the front struts, then maybe
the back of the hood can be raised a little bit to fit (this is not the
best option).

- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4
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- -----Original Message-----
From: TEIN USA INC [mailto:sales@tein.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:35 PM
To: aa2345@wayne.edu
Subject: Re: EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Question

Thank you for your interest in TEIN High Performance Suspension.
Currently,
we have the Type HA available for the VR4, but we are not sure that
there
will be enough room to mount the EDFC.  The motors have dimensions of
approximately 1 1/2" high X 1 1/2" wide.

Staff @ TEIN U.S.A., INC.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
To: <sales@tein.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Question

> I have a 95 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 and my brother has a 94 Dodge
Stealth
> Twin Turbo (identical cars).  Will the Tein EDFC work on my car in
> conjunction with one of your Tein struts/shock kits?
>
> Please let me know.  If it works, others Stealth and 3000GT owners
will
> be interested as well (members of Team3S and 3SI).
>
> Looking forward to good news.
> [Mihai Raicu]

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:07:22 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: FW: EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Question

*grin*  But wouldn't raising the back of the hood help in air entering
(cowl style) or air escaping (vents)?  Some people think air escapes
here but in a higher speed application air enters here (contact me and
we'll discuss it).

I don't see raising the back of the hood as a bad alternative really.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mihai Raicu
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 17:58
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
 
Roger, Flash, or other qualified suspension people,

Here is the response to my question from TEIN (sales@tein.com ).
Someone that knows more about this topic should write to them and then
report to the list.

If the 1.5"x1.5" boxes do not fit on top of the front struts, then maybe
the back of the hood can be raised a little bit to fit (this is not the
best option).

- -----Original Message-----
From: TEIN USA INC [mailto:sales@tein.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:35 PM

Thank you for your interest in TEIN High Performance Suspension.
Currently,
we have the Type HA available for the VR4, but we are not sure that
there
will be enough room to mount the EDFC.  The motors have dimensions of
approximately 1 1/2" high X 1 1/2" wide.

Staff @ TEIN U.S.A., INC.

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:14:59 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC-R question

Thanks everybody for the tips on the AVC-R. I will try it again on the
weekend and tell everyone how it went.

Philip

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:56:31 -0700
From: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Question

The EDFC should fit all HA coilovers.  I will be getting a EDFC to test for
hood clearance and fitment on the 3000gt and MR2-S when they get to the US
next month.

Oh, I also sell Tein products and can get them for you guys at a discount.

Paul
www.ppeengineering.com
sales@ppeengineering.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: FW: EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Question

> *grin*  But wouldn't raising the back of the hood help in air entering
> (cowl style) or air escaping (vents)?  Some people think air escapes
> here but in a higher speed application air enters here (contact me and
> we'll discuss it).
>
> I don't see raising the back of the hood as a bad alternative really.
>
> --Flash!

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:15:24 US/Central
From: tds@brightok.net
Subject: Team3S: RE: Ham/CD antenna installation

> I noticed you have experience with both CB and HAM for the car.  I think
> 100% of truckers have CB, and that is why I want a CB with not so ugly
> antenna on my 95 VR4.  I want to hear about the speed traps ahead.  I am
> also aware that the range will be limited on a pretty antenna (1 mile
> probably).

> 1. However, how many truckers have HAM radios? 
> 2. Would I be better off just getting a HAM? 
> 3. Is the range longer?
> 4. I also understand from your discussion that the antenna is
> shorter/not so ugly.
> 5. Is the HAM radio + antenna much more expensive than CB?
>
> If many truckers have HAM, if the range is longer, and if the antenna is
> shorter, I may want just go that route. 
>
> Do HAM operators still need to get licensed?
>
> The purpose is hearing others talk about police up ahead, while not
> making the car look ugly and potentially not letting others know I have
> a fancy radio.  Which one is better in your opinion for my use?  Will I
> need both?
>
> -MIHAI-
> 95 Red VR4
>
>
- ------------------------------------------------------------

CB's (Chicken Band) and Amateur Radio are completely different.

One is regulated (Ham bands), the other is not. (Citizen's Band)
It's the same type of difference as the old free for all
Dragnet mailing list(CB) and our regulated and technical
Team3s list. (Ham bands)

If you are only interested in finding smokey, then pick up a
5 watt CB for $50. (or better yet a V1)  If you want to make
contacts world wide, assist in disasters, public service,
storm/tornado watches, use repeaters,  interstate and
multistate repeater links, satellites to relay,
moon bounce, speak to the shuttle and space station astronauts,
access an autopatch (telephone), etc etc then you have
access to large segments of the full radio spectrum and
up to 1500 watts.  UHF/VHF/HF - all modes - SSB [USB,LSB,
AM/FM, Morse Code, Teletype, Packet etc]

Yes, many truckers do have ham rigs - I talk to them,
but we don't talk about where the nearest smokey is.
I work truckers (and other mobile rigs) thousands of
miles away -  DX is usually late at night on the 80 meter band
and sometimes during the day on the 20/15/10 meter bands
and locally anytime (within 100 miles) on VHF and UHF 2 meter and
440 (70cm) bands.

You do have to have a license to legally transmit on the
ham bands (thank God) but the morse code requrements are
far less difficult than they were when I tested.

- - tds  N5MYA
http://www.brightok.net/~tds
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:31:29 US/Central
From: tds@brightok.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: FW: EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Question

> The EDFC should fit all HA coilovers.  I will be getting a EDFC to test for
> hood clearance and fitment on the 3000gt and MR2-S when they get to the US
> next month.
>
> Oh, I also sell Tein products and can get them for you guys at a discount.
>
> Paul
> www.ppeengineering.com
> sales@ppeengineering.com

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------

If the boxes are 1 1/2" high X 1 1/2" wide then
I don't see any reason they shouldn't fit in the back
for sure since there is much more room than that available
after the Tein install.  I believe they would also fit
in the front due to my strut covers.  One of my strut covers
is now a hood scoop and I can look right in on that side -
there appears to be more than enough room there. 
If the other side with full strut cover allows room it should work.

I think the rubber covers and old ECS plugins took up more room
than 1.5 inches!

Please shoot me an email when you find out for sure
Paul!  Thanks.

- - tds
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:06:25 -0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

- -----Original Message-----
From: BlackLight <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
To: 'Furman, Russell' <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>; 'Jannusch, Matt'
<mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Cc: 'Team 3S' <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

>I just got the cam gears so I am just double checking to see if this is
>the correct / best setting to go with? Advance intake +1 and retard
>timing -3???
>
>Again, no AWD Dyno for testing. My car WAS mostly stock, but we're
>changing that as I type this. Mostly Intake / exhaust and driveline mods
>so far.
>
>Matt Nelson

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's what I've been using with the URacing
cam gears.  That's what they recommended.
[1 Deg A intake - 3 degrees R exhaust]

But that recommendation was based on
info provided my my motorbuilder who
has gathered quiet a bit of info on cam
gears while dynotesting 2WD cars - or
so he tells me.  They have a close business
relationship and we helped UR develop the
first infamous UD pulley for my StealthTT.

I also checked with Matt at DR and he
also recommended/uses those settings.

I'm hoping someone with access to extended
time on an AWD dyno will verify these
recommendations for stock cams in the future.

Deviating much from these settings can also cause
undesirable effects - like a very lumpy idle ....

One day I plan to combine these with new
(not reground) cams.  I believe they may
provide better results with better cams
and correct settings.

- - tds
http://www.brightok.net/~tds

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:39:56 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: ignition coil capacitor... spec, availability

Hey guys,

I've got a 93 stealth rt tt. it died one day and i took it apart to find out
why. I discovered that the ignition coil was out of spec. I ordered a new
ignition coil from bosch for $80, but bosch gave me the three coils only,
not the whole bracket. I need the whole bracket assembly because the
ignition coil capactitor comes as part of the assembly and mine seems to be
rusted and out of spec as well. The capacitor reads only 0.451 micro farads
of capacitance. Any idea how much a stealth ic capactitor should read, and
whether I can just use a generic replacement? Yesterday, I stopped by my
local mopar dealer and they said for $200 they would have given me the whole
thing. We all know that for $200 I can get a nice performance
ignition--forget the stock stuff!  Anyway, any info would help, since I
suspect that the rusted out capactitor is what caused the coil to die in the
first place. That is why I'd hate to put the new bosch coils in with that
old capactitor. If I need to supplement this with pictures, just let me know
so that I can take some shots of the coil while it's still out of my car.
Thanks in advance for the help guys.

Riyan

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:19:15 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: [supplementary info] ignition coil capacitor... spec, availability

Here are some URLs that contain descriptions of the ignition capacitor. They
are for other cars and situations, but they give helpful information.

Resource 1: Building an Electronic Ignition Coil (explains that the ignition
capacitor is not necessary and redundant in this case)
http://www.humboldt1.com/~michael.welch/extras/ElectronicIgnition.pdf
[text version]
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/energy-re
sources/homepower-magazine/archives/7/07pg30.txt

Resource 2: Example of a BMW ignition capacitor (explains that in this
situation the capactior is very important)
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/3213/capaci.html

SO:

The question is, Is the capactitor important in the Stealth/3000GT, and what
is the spec in micro farads? Should I consider removing the capacitor all
together, since the distributorless ignition in the DOHC cars is all solid
state anyway.

Riyan

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:59:39 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Boost controller is in!

Got my Blitz BOV and DSBC boost controller in. Cost $200 for the installation and to have the plugs regapped. (Gapping the plugs cost more than the boost controller! Dang rear plenum!).

They found that I have four Denso plugs and two NGK R1s in there, so a plug change and new spark plug wires are in order soon. Also water injection. I'll probably run at least one track event first, then take the next step.

I took it for a test run on the 15psi setting, but my aftermarket gauge is only saying 12 psi. Actually, it peaks over to 15 psi early on (at about 4000 rpm), then settles down at 12 psi. Is this a function of the stock 94 turbos not being able to hold boost? Or is it a setting in the Blitz DSBC? The shop wants me to wring it out thoroughly and report any problems, so any advice on testing the settings would be welcome. I've never had a boost control before, so I don't know what to look for or how to check it, other than to just run the *&^%^$ out of it.

The only difference I can see at the moment is that it gets up to 100+ in a real hurry, and pulls much stronger in 4th and 5th at 120+. I might be able to see some big three digit numbers on the tracks now. (I am no drag racer, guys).

It also pulls very strong right up to the redline, making me wish I had another 1500 rpm, because it feels like it wants to keep on going. Previously, it seemed to run out of steam right at the redline.

I don't like the whoosh sound of the BOV. I can't believe that ricers actually buy an electronic device that simulates this sound.

Fast and Furious in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (319/365-3336 ask for Trent) did the install and regap. Nice neat job. They installed the DSBC in the center console glove box with Velcro. Trent likes my car so much, he put some auction bids out on two 3000GT AWD turbos so he can build himself a drag racer.

Roger: You should be happy to know that, as part of their research into the job, they consulted your site and followed your recommendations. 

Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4 with Blitz DSBC, BOV, K&N, Stillen, custom straight-through catback, Supra fuel pump, Alamo intercoolers. 375 hp?

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:09:43 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost controller is in!

> Got my Blitz BOV and DSBC boost controller in. Cost $200 for the
installation and to have the plugs regapped. (Gapping the plugs cost more
than the boost controller! Dang rear plenum!).

We only have one intake plenum ... not only a rear one ;-)

> They found that I have four Denso plugs and two NGK R1s in there, so a
plug change and new spark plug wires are in order soon. Also water
injection. I'll probably run at least one track event first, then take the
next step.

The plugs are the same.

> I took it for a test run on the 15psi setting, but my aftermarket gauge is
only saying 12 psi.

The Blitz DSBC has no boost setting !

> Actually, it peaks over to 15 psi early on (at about 4000 rpm), then
settles down at 12 psi. Is this a function of the stock 94 turbos not being
able to hold boost? Or is it a setting in the Blitz DSBC? The shop wants me
to wring it out thoroughly and report any problems, so any advice on testing
the settings would be welcome. I've never had a boost control before, so I
don't know what to look for or how to check it, other than to just run the
*&^%^$ out of it.

I highly recommend you to get familiar with the boost controller soon !
Otherwise ... but you know the story. Here is my online-manual :
http://www.rtec.ch/dsbc_manual.html

> It also pulls very strong right up to the redline, making me wish I had
another 1500 rpm, because it feels like it wants to keep on going.
Previously, it seemed to run out of steam right at the redline.

What is the peak boost saying ?

> I don't like the whoosh sound of the BOV. I can't believe that ricers
actually buy an electronic device that simulates this sound.

You are absolutely right. I just don't understand why you got the blitz as
the Greddy is the choice of racers !?

> Fast and Furious in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (319/365-3336 ask for Trent) did
the install and regap. Nice neat job. They installed the DSBC in the center
console glove box with Velcro.

If you have room, get the Blitz DIN panel to mount the Blitz DSBC below the
radio ... or mount it where you can adjust the settings on the fly or to
check max boost.

> Roger: You should be happy to know that, as part of their research into
the job, they consulted your site and followed your recommendations.

Great that it helps :))

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:56:19 -0800
From: Rick Pierce <piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Boost controller is in!

Hi Rich,

I think you are seeing the limitations of the stock 9bs - they simply cannot
hold 15lbs to Redline.  I was lucky when I swapped in a JSpec to get 13gs
with it and they will hold 17lbs to redline (although I'm only running on
the street 12-13 due to the CA 91 octane gas limitation).  I notice I hit
the rev limiter very quickly now in 1st/2nd gear (if I don't watch it) and
since I don't want a ticket, try to hold off doing so in 3rd.  I plan on
Driving in June @ Thunderhill so I think I'll have more boost numbers for
you then.

Yea - I cannot stand the aftermarket BOV sounds - it's so juvenile to me
too.  I think when my stock one weakens, I will simply go with a 1st Gen DSM
one which doesn't show that tendency.

Best, Rick

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:37:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Boost controller is in!

This..is gonna sound stupid..but..

My HKS SSQV on the GT4..serves a neat purpose.

A # of people in my run group, commented on the BOV announced my impending
arrival "to an apex near you" as one put it.

Hey..it caused someone to drop focus and check a mirror..I'll take that
anyday.

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:38:12 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Boost controller is in!

> I think you are seeing the limitations of the stock 9bs - they simply
cannot
> hold 15lbs to Redline.  I was lucky when I swapped in a JSpec to get 13gs
> with it and they will hold 17lbs to redline (although I'm only running on
> the street 12-13 due to the CA 91 octane gas limitation).

This is only possible if you are overboosting like hell until the boost
drops. The 13g produce less discharge temperatures and are not able to hold
more boost in the upper end than the 9b (maybe 1 psi). In fact they only
produce a better torque curve in the mid end.

Please list your mods.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:34:19 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ignition coil capacitor... spec, availability

>  I discovered that the ignition coil was out of spec

What was out of spec ?

> ignition coil from bosch for $80, but bosch gave me the three coils only,

I wasn't aware that Bosch has any coil that fits our cars !

> not the whole bracket. I need the whole bracket assembly because the
> ignition coil capactitor comes as part of the assembly and mine seems to
be
> rusted and out of spec as well.

You should get the capacitor alone from Mitsu. It is only there to surpress
ignition pitch into the 12V power system.

> suspect that the rusted out capactitor is what caused the coil to die in
the

All coils died ? I doubt that the capacitor causes the coils to die. More
the ignition transistors are the problem then.

I think your search is a little off as we don't have a capacitive discharge
system at all.

Also, are you sure that you measured the right thing and that you got the
right coils (Bosch sounds very strange to me !!). You can disconnect the
capacitor if you want.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:06:07 -0500
From: Steve Burrows <3SX@BellSouth.net>
Subject: Team3S: 3SX has own new SS Braided Brake Lines, More Cam Gears

Three things of importance here...

1) 3SX now has a new line of stainless-steel braided brake lines available
for all years and models 3S cars. Even better is you can select from
stainless silver, red, blue, or black. And better than that is they are
sale priced at only $149.95 for a set!

2) Our secure shopping cart is now LIVE! And to promote both, the stainless
lines are the first product offered for purchase using the shopping cart
system. But the sale price is only good if the lines are purchased
online.  Our March Special is also available for shopping cart purchase. We
will be adding the rest of our product line to support online purchases
over the next week.

Visit http://www.3sxperformance.com/brakes.asp to get your brake lines now!

3) We still have 2 sets of RED adjustable aluminum cam gears available at
the special price of $449 shipped.

Hope this helps some of the members here.
Thanks,
Steve Burrows
3SX Performance Automotive
http://www.3SXPerformance.com
Tel: 704-563-7249

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:55:16 -0800
From: Rick Pierce <piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Boost controller is in!

Sorry Roger, I typed too fast - I should have said "I've heard" they will
hold 17 psi to Redline - I admit my mistake (I really wasn't trying to BS or
pass bad info - but I guess I did anyway).  I've only had my 92 (with BPU
and the JSpec 13Gs) up to 15psi before I turned it down to 12.5 psi - which
it does hold to redline (at least according to my boost gauge).  I do have a
supra pump and 450cc injectors already, but haven't installed them as I'm
waiting on getting a SAFC.

Sorry for any mis-information,
Rick

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Boost controller is in!

> > I think you are seeing the limitations of the stock 9bs - they simply
> cannot
> > hold 15lbs to Redline.  I was lucky when I swapped in a JSpec to get
13gs
> > with it and they will hold 17lbs to redline (although I'm only running
on
> > the street 12-13 due to the CA 91 octane gas limitation).
>
> This is only possible if you are overboosting like hell until the boost
> drops. The 13g produce less discharge temperatures and are not able to
hold
> more boost in the upper end than the 9b (maybe 1 psi). In fact they only
> produce a better torque curve in the mid end.
>
> Please list your mods.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> www.rtec.ch

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:12:47 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3SX has own new SS Braided Brake Lines, More Cam Gears

At 04:06 PM 3/22/2002, Steve Burrows wrote:
>3) We still have 2 sets of RED adjustable aluminum cam gears available at
>the special price of $449 shipped.

I am wondering if the slots on those gears are intelligently cut, so that
you cannot smash the valves against pistons if you max out the adjustment
slots?

Philip

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