Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Thursday, March 21 2002   Volume 01 : Number 789




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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:51:38 -0800
From: Dean Benz <dbenz@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Team3S: How to remove exhaust bolts/nuts]

There are also these cool things called nut splitters which basically ram a
cold chisel through the wall of the nut and split it. Harbor Freight has a set
of two different sizes for only $7. The only catch is there has to be enough
space to use them.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/headsearch.taf?function=Search

"Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com> wrote:
> Hi Damon,
>
> I know you said you did not want to use a torch but I wanted to share a
> trick that worked perfectly for me - even on the rusted on main cat bolts!
> I tried to use LiquidWrench, WD40, etc. without any luck.
>
> I used a MAPP (methyl acetylene propadiene) torch (about $35 or so from
> HomeDepot).  This torch is not hot enough to cut which is fine.
>
> 1. Make sure you have adequate ventilation as the byproducts are CO and can
> be dangerous.
> 2. Make sure you have a water spray bottle next to you just in case the
> undercoating catches a small flame (unlikely).
> 3. Get the flame on the torch to a bright blue flame about 1cm long.
> 4. Place the topmost point of the blue flame at a corner notch on the nut
> you need to remove.
> 5. Leave the torch on this "corner" rather than a flat edge as it will more
> readily absorb the heat.
> 6. Wait until the nut begins to turn an orange color - about 7-8 mins.
> 7. Remove and extinguish the flame and quickly (before the nut cools) place
> your socket wrench on it and try to loosen.
> 8. Performing this once or twice will get the nut loosened and without
> cutting.
> 9. Obviously be careful when handling the nut - it stays hot for a while!
>
> HTH
>
> Dave 95VR4
> http://www.daveblack.net

Dean Benz
dbenz@usa.net

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:03:25 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: awd-trans problems

Gary,

This is $8,000 CAN which is what ... close to the $5,000 US price we
commonly see for a new tranny?

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4, USA

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Gary Svenkeson
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 14:27
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: awd-trans problems

I own a 1993 awd RT Stealth.  My problem is that the output shaft
splines on the transmission and the transfer case splines have worn out
and stripped.  The Dodge dealers do not have any service manuals with
diagrams of the transmission or listing of parts.  Their solution is to
sell me a new transmission and transfer case for $8000.  I have checked
with all the wreckers in Canada and it seems that all transmissions have
the same problem.
.  I would  like advice on parts needed to  service the transmission at
100,000 km  if  I'm going to open it.  I would appreciate it if anyone
has diagrams,  parts lists and availability or experience with this
problem to  contact me svenke@sk.sympatico.ca.

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:05:29 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: awd-trans problems

Parts are available for sale I think from Kormextrans.com. The only
transmission disassembly instructions that I know of are posted by John
Adams at www.vr4stealth.com. Read them but use common sense following them.

You could change your synchros too if they grind like synchros in most of
our cars. We tried to use John Adam's instructions to fix Joe K's synchros.
Do not jam a screwdriver under the bearing, use a puller to pull by the
first speed gear. You will need a 3-finger puller (not a 2-finger) with
thin fingers, or else plan on grinding them down a little to get under
things. Notice the position of the little square blocks inside the synchro.
They were pictured upside down on Adam's website. I do not know if he
changed it. The engagement ring was pictured upside down too.

I do not know much about the transfer case, but it must be much simpler
than the transmission. Good luck.

Philip

>I own a 1993 awd RT Stealth.  My problem is that the output shaft
splines on the transmission and the transfer case splines have worn out
and stripped.  The Dodge dealers do not have any service manuals with
diagrams of the transmission or listing of parts.  Their solution is to
sell me a new transmission and transfer case for $8000.  I have checked
with all the wreckers in Canada and it seems that all transmissions have
the same problem.
.  I would  like advice on parts needed to  service the transmission at
100,000 km  if  I'm going to open it.  I would appreciate it if anyone
has diagrams,  parts lists and availability or experience with this
problem to  contact me svenke@sk.sympatico.ca.

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:29:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Chen <jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wheel Weights Page

Thought you guys might be interested in this website.
It has all the pertinent information that the
road-racers would like to know but didn't know who to
ask.

http://www.wheelweights.net/wheels.html

=====
- -Frank-
                                    "JEEPers"
     EMERGENCY EMAIL: <2017479867@mobile.att.net>
     http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6045/

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:18:54 -0500
From: "Jerry B." <scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: switch back to valvoline?

> OK Here is something I think I can help alittle bit with,,
>     First thing i would do is check the oil lvl. There seems to be a
problem
> with if you actually fill the pan to the top of the dip stick marks.. this
> seems to cause a problem with our cars. It seems that the Crank shaft will
> slap the oil hard and fast enough to cause air bubbles to form in the oil.
> And upon this it will send air up to your lifters and causeing them to be
> air bound. Now here is the thing, ,the 4000 rpm trick for 15 secs wil lnot
> help,, might make it worse cosidering thats more air and bubbles in the
> system.
>
> I normally run my oil lvl about hte middle mark of the OK line on the dip
> stick and that seems to cut out the problem with my 92. but if not then
> there might be other problems.. This is jsut a piece of advise for you to
> look at and check,, the others hae alot better ideas,, but sometimes it
> could help by starting with the easiest problem first and working your way
> up.
>
> hope it helps.
> Jerry.   92 stealth e/s   & 93 stealth rt/tt
> www.higherbeingttstealthrt.cjb.net

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:43:54 -0600
From: Gary Svenkeson <svenke@sk.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: awd problems

Thanks for the help on  the awd spline problem. I've got the parts
coming and sould have the info I need. Thanks again.


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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:25:02 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Ignition upgrade

Sorry, I was a little behind on this thread. I see there are many
simultaneous tests going on and everyone is anxious to offer kits and DYI
solutions. Let me chip it too. I found out that Magnencor is located here
in Michigan only 19.1 miles away from me (that's after I ordered their
wires all the way from California). I could get custom wires for the masses
after you guys figure out what the best solution is. I can make brackets
too if those are necessary.

Philip

At 06:52 PM 3/19/2002, Jeff wrote:
>It's tested.  This is the kit I've been talking about on the 3si.org thread.
>It does fit the stock location, it will come with custom wires that fit, and
>it will fit the stock wiring harness.  I will make a post to the lists and
>3si.org in 2-3 weeks with final details.
>
>jeff
>'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
>'01 Chevrolet Silverado HD Duramax

At 07:06 PM 3/19/2002, Roger Gerl wrote:
>My aim is to
>provide a cheap and easy DIY solution for a lot of us with the smaller
>wallet.

At 08:43 AM 3/20/2002, Furman, Russell wrote:
>If I sense enough interest I will offer a kit for nominal
>profit, I am not interested in making sums of money from this just put some
>gas in the car and maybe pay for an oil change every other month.

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:47:54 -0600
From: Shane Thoms <shanethoms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: K&N Question

I heard that an Eclipse AirCharger (cheap/bigger FIPK)
will fit.  Anyone have the part number?  Or at least
what Year Eclipse?  Also, how much modding needs to be done?

Thanks,
Shane

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:09:34 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: K&N Question

'95-'99 Turbo Eclipse fits the same air filter as ours...  No adaptation
needed... Will need to make some sort of bracket to hold the MAS in
place is all...

- -Cody


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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:30:24 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC-R question

Hi Team,

My turn to ask AVC-R questions! ;-)

My AVC-R won't learn. It just keeps the initial duty cycle that I set and
does not try to adjust it. I made about ten WOT runs in different gears
and... nothing.

I am connected to the RPM signal
Start duties are at 0
Gear judge is 105 63 40 29 23
Learning is X O O O O
Feedback speed 9 4 2 2 2
Cylinders 6 4 ->.

It does not overshoot the target. I tried to set target boost to 0.9 and
0.7 bar and duty cycles to 35% and 25% and it just boosts about 0.1 bar
below the target and won't start learning. If I raise the duty cycle
manually to 70% I can boost slightly above 1 bar. But if I set it low it
just stays there and I cannot even get that 0.7 bar unless I raise the duty
by hand. Even if I help it with raising the duty it still won't learn. Any
ideas? Thanks.

Philip
'95 Red R/T TT

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:45:10 -0700
From: "Paul Prentis" <paul@ppeengineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: exhaust

I read somewhere that you might be able to take the signal from the O2
sensors (after the gutted cats) and put a resistor or rheostat in series to
attenuate the signal and make it appear that the cats are still there.

It might work, but it is just a theory.

Paul Prentis

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
To: <pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com>; "Team3S (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust

> I tried using the O2 simulators with no luck.  I know Trevor James also
> tried and he had no luck either. Stuck driving around with Check Engine
> light on now.  Luckily I have an OBII scan tool so I can check codes to
make
> sure nothing else is going on.
>
> By the way, got the O2 sims  from casperelectronics.com.
>
> Francis
> '96 RT/TT

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:06:35 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC-R question

If the "initial" duty cycle value is too low, it won't learn.  Try raising
the duty cycle by 5%-10% each run until you see some action.  Make 2nd gear
WOT runs from 2K-7K RPM.  Monitor boost and solenoid values using the graph
vs. time mode.  When you see some "intelligent" solenoid movement, you will
be learning.  By intelligent, I mean the solenoid value should start off at
90%.  Then as boost builds, it will drop down to your initial duty cycle
value.  As RPM's increase, you should see a smooth, increasing curve for
your solenoid duty value.

Try again and report back.  Good luck,
Ken

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
To: <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Team3S: Another Apexi AVC-R question

> Hi Team,
>
> My turn to ask AVC-R questions! ;-)
>
> My AVC-R won't learn. It just keeps the initial duty cycle that I set and
> does not try to adjust it. I made about ten WOT runs in different gears
> and... nothing.
>
> I am connected to the RPM signal
> Start duties are at 0
> Gear judge is 105 63 40 29 23
> Learning is X O O O O
> Feedback speed 9 4 2 2 2
> Cylinders 6 4 ->.
>
> It does not overshoot the target. I tried to set target boost to 0.9 and
> 0.7 bar and duty cycles to 35% and 25% and it just boosts about 0.1 bar
> below the target and won't start learning. If I raise the duty cycle
> manually to 70% I can boost slightly above 1 bar. But if I set it low it
> just stays there and I cannot even get that 0.7 bar unless I raise the
duty
> by hand. Even if I help it with raising the duty it still won't learn. Any
> ideas? Thanks.
>
> Philip
> '95 Red R/T TT

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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:09:15 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: exhaust

You can order a test pipe from http://www.testpipe.com.  It costs $45 with
shipping, and will probably ship the day you order.  Mine arrived in 3 days.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <DonBrando36@aol.com>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:32 AM
Subject: Team3S: exhaust

>     I went to a shop by my house and asked them to make me a test pipe.
They
> told me that they wouldn't do it because I will screw up all of the o2
> sensors and then my car would run like crap.  Is that true?  Has anyone
put a
> test pipe on a N/a 3000GT, what were the results after a month or so?
> What's the diameter on a n/a borla cat back exhaust system and the stock
> exhaust system?  I had ordered one almost 2 months ago, and I'm still
waiting
> for it, I ordered it from Stillen.  Thanks
>
> Brandon
> 93 3000GT

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 04:25:29 US/Central
From: tds@brightok.net
Subject: Re: Team3S:  Ham/CD antenna installation

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Shaw
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 07:48

Any suggestions on the installation position and hardware for a CB/Ham
2M/70cm antenna on a 3000GT with manual glass roof (UK). I want
something
removable but solid (mag mount may work) I am happy to drill holes if
need
be. Over to you guys.

- ---------------------------------------------------

I'm getting caught up on email during my work
vacation. (spring break)

To begin:

You're going to need at minimum 2 antennas to cover both
the CB band (29 MHZ range) and 2m/70cm [440]

You can use a single dual-bander for 2m/70cm.  They are
fairly short and I've been using a mag mount dual bander
on my Z-28 on top for several years.  While I don't reach
the same speeds as my StealthTT, I've seen 130+ without problems.
I am running the coax straight back to the lift back and even
if the mag mount failed to hold, the coax is held firm since
it's closed in the rubber seals of the liftback. 

I initially tried a window mount dual bander and it was
*terrible*.  I had a very difficult time tuning the SWR and
it was still high even after adding a tuning box.  The reception
was pretty lousy too.  The mag mount on top works great.  The
ground and the location makes all the difference in the world.

The only setup on a car that has ever been any better was the
5/8 wave 2 meter setup I once had on a Honda.  The whip on a
5/8 is so long I wouldn't have one in any location on a nice
car but a 1/4 wave 2 meter or dual bander [2 meter/70cm] is not
bad. 

A CB antenna is also going to have a longer whip with
the coverage range around 29 MHZ versus 144-148 MHZ for 2 meter
and 440 range for 70 cm. [US freqency allocations]

If you have to use a CB antenna and you want the very best
location, the roof is the best but unlike the HAM bands,
the range is so limited with a CB, I don't think it will
really make that much difference where you put it.  If you're
in the UK, I would think you would be most concerned about
the cameras ....

If you like the 20 meter band, maybe we could hook up
some time?

- - tds
http://www.brightok.net/~tds 
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:25:24 -0500
From: "John Monnin" <John.Monnin@3Si.zzn.com>
Subject: Team3S: MUT II tenatively will be available at National Gathering.

If you follow 3si threads closely you will see that I have been in
contact with the person who bought the MUT-II tool on Ebay awhile ago.
He has connector to hook up to a second gen car but has not tried a
first gen yet, I think the diagnostic plug is different can anyone
clarify?

He is tentatively comming to the National Gathering and will Make the
MUT II avialable as long as we don't have a line of a hundred people
wanting to borrow it. 
 
I asked him about the list members who tried to buy the MUT II off
ebay to "crack the code" so that a hybrid datalogger/pockelogger
could be developed, with functions like knock monoitoring for second
Gens and SRS light resetting.  He replied that at the time he didn't
think it would be possible so he bought it for himself.

He is open to the idea of loaning it out for a limited time, if we
could convince him that it could be examined w/o being damaged.

John Monnin
john.monnin@3si.zzn.com
1991 VR-4 4-bolt main conversion
National Gathering road coarse event coordinator

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:18:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: K&N Question

Complete details at my web page below.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-knguide.htm

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:10:24 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: MUT II tenatively will be available at National Gathe ring.

> I asked him about the list members who tried to buy the MUT II off
> ebay to "crack the code" so that a hybrid datalogger/pockelogger
> could be developed, with functions like knock monoitoring for second
> Gens and SRS light resetting.  He replied that at the time he didn't
> think it would be possible so he bought it for himself.
>
> He is open to the idea of loaning it out for a limited time, if we
> could convince him that it could be examined w/o being damaged.

Should be relatively easy as long as it does some form of serial
communication - and judging by the pins in the connector and their functions
- - that should be the case.

I'd be willing to try to figure it out.  If I can crack it, I would add the
knock redings into my LCD virtual-gauge project.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:18:23 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: Team3S: AVC-R Tuning Instructions for 1G/5pd cars

Ok since this has become a sort of revolving topic I am going to post how I
set my AVC-R up to get give close to target and consistent boost.

I will be sending out instructions for the 6spd cars in a couple of hours
and posting both sets of instructions on DR web board and 3SI.org.

NOTE: THESE INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOTED FOR THE 1G/5SPD CARS

Step one, turn off learn gear for all gears but third by changing all the 0
for each gear to X (pg
29)

Step two, set up gear judge (this is where is gets a bit complicated) IMHO.
This will help control boost
much better in 5th  (pg 34)

Step three, Set up your RPM NE points... Depending on your turbo size, your
NE1 point s/b 2500-3K and then go up from
there. One note if you accidentally change the next NE point down it will
auto
down all other NE points. (pg 27)

Step Four, Set up you target boost i.e. .90kg and your base duty cycle i.e.
52%. (pg 25)   {you wanna be relatively close, like I said in my previous
email 40% netted me a very stable .70KG on a full pull through third}

Step 5, set up your start duty cycle for each gear. basically what happens
here is that the AVCR takes the set up you just did for 3rd and
applies evenly across the board any increase or decrease in duty cycle % for

that gear. So put the car in 2nd and run it through the gear, increase the
start duty for that gear until you hit your target boost in that gear with
out going over the target. IMHO increase by 1% if under and decrease by 2%
if over (pg 30)

2nd and 3rd should not be that hard to do now 4th and 5th you may wanna do
those on a empty stretch of highway

Step seven, set up Feedback Speed Setting the higher a number you put here
the more aggressively the b/c trys to control over boost it sees. IMHO try
these values first and work from there. 1st [2] 2nd [3] 3rd [4] 4th [4] 5th
[4] (pg28)

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:16:05 -0800 (PST)
From: menalteed <menalteed@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Keyless entry, Sun Roof

I was wondering if anyone know when the keyless entry
came out in the Dodge Stealth and also the Sun roof.
My car has both but the side door label says it was
built in March 1992, it was first sold in September of
1992. I bought it in 1994 with 4000 miles on it. The
books I've looked at say these features didn't come
out until mid 1992. I'm trying to figure out if mine
is a two bolt or a four bolt in the engine for the
crank which the book also says came out mid or late
1992. The Sun roof is a mitsi factory and not a after
market and the car has the sun roof stoarage brackets
in the trunk. The keyless entry may be an after market
extra because it comes off the positive battery
terminal  in a seperate wire, and has a fuse in a
separate little fuse holder near the battery, there is
also some sort of horn looking thing near the battery
that if factory isn't that good a quality
installation.

peter 92 pearl white stealth tt
K&N filter 13 G turbos

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:39:38 -0500
From: "Tom Terflinger" <terflit@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: True or False?

"our stock turbos can only hold 12psi after 5000rpms and then 10psi to the
redline." This is from a post on one of the 3si message boards.

This seems to be the case in my car 92 vr4 w/ boost controller etc. but is
it a fact? I had set the boost to 1 bar and it dosent seem to hold it. I
also notice it hits higher boost when you are at low rpm in a gear that is
too high to really be in. For instance 1 bar is easy in 5th gear around
2,500rpm but when I hit 5,000rpm in any gear the car sputters (fuel cut?
spark blowout?) then goes back down to .5 bar (factory setting I think).

Any ideas?
TNT3KGT

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:48:01 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Keyless entry, Sun Roof

Peter,

If you have a horn near the battery then this is an aftermarket alarm
with keyless entry install.  The only horn on out car stock looks like
the standard horn (flat, round disc) and is closer to the front of the
car.

Not sure about the sunroof.  I have found out that my car is a 1995-1/2
model as it has the power sunroof and no ECS and no Active Exhaust and
is that darn hybrid OBD that nobody can figure out ... yet.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 mfg in 11/1994

- -----Original Message-----
From: menalteed
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:16
 
I was wondering if anyone know when the keyless entry
came out in the Dodge Stealth and also the Sun roof.
My car has both but the side door label says it was
built in March 1992, it was first sold in September of
1992. I bought it in 1994 with 4000 miles on it. The
books I've looked at say these features didn't come
out until mid 1992. I'm trying to figure out if mine
is a two bolt or a four bolt in the engine for the
crank which the book also says came out mid or late
1992. The Sun roof is a mitsi factory and not a after
market and the car has the sun roof stoarage brackets
in the trunk. The keyless entry may be an after market
extra because it comes off the positive battery
terminal  in a seperate wire, and has a fuse in a
separate little fuse holder near the battery, there is
also some sort of horn looking thing near the battery
that if factory isn't that good a quality
installation.

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:47:23 -0600
From: "Trevor James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: True or False?

It's true but how much boost you'll be able to maintain to redline is
dependent on your car's health. Mine would hold 15psi to 5500rpm then drop
steadily to rougly 12.3psi when I hit the revlimiter.

Trevor
96 R/T TT, 11.82@116.1, 93 Octane & Plain Radials
97 VR-4, Bone Stock!

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Terflinger" <terflit@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Team3S: True or False?

> "our stock turbos can only hold 12psi after 5000rpms and then 10psi to the
> redline." This is from a post on one of the 3si message boards.
>
> This seems to be the case in my car 92 vr4 w/ boost controller etc. but is
> it a fact? I had set the boost to 1 bar and it dosent seem to hold it. I
> also notice it hits higher boost when you are at low rpm in a gear that is
> too high to really be in. For instance 1 bar is easy in 5th gear around
> 2,500rpm but when I hit 5,000rpm in any gear the car sputters (fuel cut?
> spark blowout?) then goes back down to .5 bar (factory setting I think).
>
> Any ideas?
> TNT3KGT

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:21:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: True or False?

Trevor,

Those boost-RPM numbers agree closely with the values found in my
chart below,

http://www.stealth316.com/images/td04-09b-jlspecstock.gif

which uses the 9B comp flow map and VE values I interpreted from
Mitsu's engine dyno chart.

http://www.stealth316.com/images/gto-dyno.jpg

Thanks!

=====================================
Tom,

The "sputtering" could be caused by one or more of the following.

1. "Fuel cut". Not from an inadequate supply of fuel, because the
stock injectors and pump in good shape can supply sufficient, if not
optimal, fuel for any air mass the stock 9Bs can flow; but from the
ECM seeing too much air flowing through the MAS (it's thinking
over-boost) and so the ECM cuts the injector-on signal.

2. Spark "blow out".

3. Timing retard due to heavy detonation. The ECM will also reduce
max boost to normal wastegate settings (6-7 psi) in response to heavy
detonation.

If you haven't figured it out already, it can damaging to your engine
to increase the boost beyond factory settings (either by choice or by
malfunction) without taking precautions to protect against lean A/F
and excessive knock.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor James" <trevor@kscable.com>
To: "Tom Terflinger" <terflit@hotmail.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: True or False?

It's true but how much boost you'll be able to maintain to redline is
dependent on your car's health. Mine would hold 15psi to 5500rpm then
drop steadily to rougly 12.3psi when I hit the revlimiter.

Trevor
96 R/T TT, 11.82@116.1, 93 Octane & Plain Radials
97 VR-4, Bone Stock!

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:14:54 -0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Tein EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Suspension

Tein has a new 32-way-cockpit-adjustable electronic suspension setup.
It's called EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller). 

See link.
http://www.tein.com/edfc.html

I asked them whether it fit TT/VR4 and here was their answer.

"We are not sure that there will be enough room to mount the EDFC.  The
motors have dimensions of approximately 1 1/2" high X 1 1/2" wide."

I hope they fit, but somehow I doubt it.  Price for EDFC is $380.

- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:27:32 -0800
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

I just got the cam gears so I am just double checking to see if this is
the correct / best setting to go with? Advance intake +1 and retard
timing -3???

Again, no AWD Dyno for testing. My car WAS mostly stock, but we're
changing that as I type this. Mostly Intake / exhaust and driveline mods
so far.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Furman, Russell
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:08 AM
To: 'Jannusch, Matt'
Cc: 'Team 3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

On our cars I was told advance intake timing +1 deg and retard exhaust
timing -3 deg............

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannusch, Matt [SMTP:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:06 AM
> To: Team3S@team3s.com
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price
>
> > Is there a difference between a gear and a sprocket ?
>
> Gear/Sprocket - same thing in this case.
>
> My only question is what to set them to.  There aren't any AWD dynos
> in my local area so I'd have no idea how to set them up.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:29:26 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

> I just got the cam gears so I am just double checking to see
> if this is the correct / best setting to go with? Advance
> intake +1 and retard timing -3???

That's what I keep hearing for specs...  Let us know how it feels
afterwards!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:32:28 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tein EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Suspension

Mihai,

Any reason why they said it would not fit?  Does it go on top of the
strut like the ECS does?  Does it fit on top of the shock tower top or
inside it?  Is Tein aware that some of our cars have ECS?

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 and definitely interested in this gadget

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mihai Raicu
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 14:15
 
Tein has a new 32-way-cockpit-adjustable electronic suspension setup.
It's called EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller). 

See link.
http://www.tein.com/edfc.html

I asked them whether it fit TT/VR4 and here was their answer.

"We are not sure that there will be enough room to mount the EDFC.  The
motors have dimensions of approximately 1 1/2" high X 1 1/2" wide."

I hope they fit, but somehow I doubt it.  Price for EDFC is $380.

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:35:35 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tein EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Suspen sion

The motors should have no problem being mounted on the rear even with a rear
strut bar, the front struts however my be a different story.....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:32 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Tein EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller)
> Suspension
>
> Mihai,
>
> Any reason why they said it would not fit?  Does it go on top of the
> strut like the ECS does?  Does it fit on top of the shock tower top or
> inside it?  Is Tein aware that some of our cars have ECS?
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4 and definitely interested in this gadget

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:45:28 -0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

Matt,

Please let us know what you "feel" with the cam gears.

- -----Original Message-----
From: BlackLight [mailto:BlackLight@Planetice.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:28 PM
To: 'Furman, Russell'; 'Jannusch, Matt'
Cc: 'Team 3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Adjustable Cam Gears at a Great Price

I just got the cam gears so I am just double checking to see if this is
the correct / best setting to go with? Advance intake +1 and retard
timing -3???

Again, no AWD Dyno for testing. My car WAS mostly stock, but we're
changing that as I type this. Mostly Intake / exhaust and driveline mods
so far.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:38:20 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Suspension

Very interesting (the controller is the size of the small Blitz parts !)

I haven't found out if the kit fits all Tein shocks or the HA for our cars.
Also I'd like to see how they are mounted ontop of the shocks. Possibly fits
only with their plate.

So the function is that the 16 "click" adjusting is controlled by system
(it's not a big deal to do that) and this do the 4 stepper motors in the
housing. Nice idea. Now the greatest would be to combine this with a G
sensor and let thing do the work like our active system does . Mihai, ask
them again for physical size and buidl a LEGO block of the same size to see
if it may fit.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Raicu" <mraicu@wayne.edu>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:14 PM
Subject: Team3S: Tein EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller) Suspension

> Tein has a new 32-way-cockpit-adjustable electronic suspension setup.
> It's called EDFC(Electronic Damping Force Controller).
>
> See link.
> http://www.tein.com/edfc.html
>
> I asked them whether it fit TT/VR4 and here was their answer.
>
> "We are not sure that there will be enough room to mount the EDFC.  The
> motors have dimensions of approximately 1 1/2" high X 1 1/2" wide."
>
> I hope they fit, but somehow I doubt it.  Price for EDFC is $380.
>
> -MIHAI-
> 95 Red VR4

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