Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth     Friday, March 1 2002     Volume 01 : Number 769




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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:36:44 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Resealing 2nd Gen Tranny

I developed a leak from my tranny once.  It turned out that I lost the
"plug" on the side of the tranny towards the right wheel.  A mechanic
installed a new plug, stuck some goop on it so it wouldn't fall out again,
and the leak was fixed.  I hope yours is as simple.

Good luck,
Ken
'91 VR4

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Stegall III" <jstegall@programmer.net>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: Team3S: Resealing 2nd Gen Tranny


> I've got 70k on my car, still original tranny.  The tranny shifts like
butter, but the leak that was really small has gotten progressively worse in
the past couple of days, and I noticed a nice big puddle underneath my
parking spot today when I left work.  I haven't the foggiest clue how I'd go
about resealing the tranny myself, but can anyone on the list tell me, what
a good price is for resealing the tranny with replacement parts from Kormex?
Also, while I've got the mechanic down there, is there anything else I
should have replaced?  Thanks guys.
>
> John
> 1994 3000GT VR-4 (leaky tranny)

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:56:05 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Team3S: Optima, was: Anyone have any complaints about the dynabatt?

My  local Costco has been stocking Optima Red Tops for about $99 for the
last six months.  Pretty good price!

> I bought the smaller Optima Red Top last week (650 CCA or maybe it was
> the 850 CCA) for about $110 at Pep Boys.

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:02:05 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: turbo spooling, too slow?

Well, this is the spoolup I was hoping for (15psi at 3000 RPM).  Do you
think the TEC 15G turbos have better bearings than the Mitsu 13G, or is my
stock downpipe, exhaust, and/or the original cat with 133K miles the likely
culprit to my slow spoolup?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: turbo spooling, too slow?

> Ken,
>
> I recently performed two roll-on acceleration tests here in Colorado
> (12 psi atm, cool day) with my TEC 15G turbos (engine mods listed at
> my web site). Starting at a 2000 RPM cruising speed I floored it in
> 2nd gear and then in 3rd gear. In both gears, by 3000 RPM boost was
> limited by the BC to about 16 psi. I am not sure at what RPM "max
> boost" could be achieved with my setup under these test conditions,
> but 15 psi was easily achieved by 3000 RPM.
>
> There is no "break-in" period for turbos that I am aware of that will
> affect "spool up".
>
> http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius5/j5-2-3s-compflowmaps.htm
> http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius2/j2-2-turboguide.htm

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:42:45 -0600
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: My Record Pass in Question.

I'm upset.
Darren Schilberg has a technical argument that my record passes should be
forgotten, don't count, and says "other folks" might question them, so I
guess I better talk about this out in the open.
Darren Schilberg has seen fit to write me a letter, which he refused to let
me reprint verbatim, indicating that my record passes are "skeptical at
best".  (I never figured out why I can't do whatever I please with a letter
GIVEN TO ME, which is now in my possession, my property.  Cite me Wisconsin
law.)
 Given his lack of the courage of his convictions to allow a reprint, I will
paraphrase it--and LET SOMEBODY MEET ME IN COURT NOW if they can't handle
it:
- ----------------------------
Darren indicated:
'Rumor has it you made a  ten second pass on a track in Wisconsin.  I
thought 11.00 or better required a a rollbar and perhaps a helmet.  If you
ran an 11.xx then a 10.9x you might get away with it, but that is your one
free pass.  If you do it again and don't have a rollbar usually the timeslip
is ripped up, you are kicked out, and the time doesn't count.  So if those
10second ET's were your first passes they are skeptical at best.  If they're
after a series of 10.99 or better runs then I think they shouldn't count
since it is against dragstrip rules.'
- ----------------------------
I was trying to figure out what dark corner of Darren's mind this came out
of; he sure is trying to find some technicality to crap on my record.  I
will answer it in 2 ways, first all rule-sy so Darren can chew on it and
come up with several arguments why he's right as always...and then with some
feeling.

1)  My records are not "Rumor", they are fact.  I have the timeslips.  I
turned an 11.303 in front of everybody at the 1997 DSM Shootout 16 May 1997
with NO nitrous; then just 2 weeks later, did a 10.89 and 10.81 at Great
Lakes Dragaway in Wisconsin, also in front of big crowds.  Can I name
witnesses to say they saw it?  Yes, but the most important witness, who I
RACED AGAINST THAT PASS, can't testify.  I will tell you who that is, later
on.  Now Darren probably figures he's "really got me"--no eyewitnesses...?!?
  Yes, some tracks and sanctioning bodies (NHRA) required in 1997 a rollbar
for 11.99 or better ET's, and TO SET AN OFFICIAL NHRA SANCTIONED  RECORD you
have to have it.  My record is not recognized by NHRA, it is just something
I _DID_.  How many 3S "record runs" ARE officially sanctioned by the NHRA,
IHRA, IDRA etc?  I bet alot of you even DRIVE to the track, and ELSEWHERE,
without FULL SMOG EQUIPMENT, which is totally ILLEGAL!
YOW!!  Sounds like we have no records at all, then.  Ridiculous, IMHO.
I made 3 passes on June 3, 1997; first=15.963 @ 57.47mph; I shut it down.
2nd=10.892 @ 123.16 and got warned to "slow it down"; 3rd=10.810 @ 128.44.
After that pass, the timeslip lady said with a smile "That's it for the
night" and I left with a BIG smile myself!  BTW, I had "Peggy" the ET Shack
lady SIGN the back of my 10.89 slip "Car did run the time, ET Shack Peggy,
10.89" in case some jerk challenged me on it.  At the TIME, I thought I was
going overboard a little, but HERE WE ARE!  Those are the FACTS, and I have
it ON PAPER.  Thanks, Darren.  My faith in humanity takes another hit.

2)  Now I'll defend my record with some feeling.
To have my record, recognized for almost 5 years, challenged by DARREN
SCHILBERG, is insulting.  There have been plenty of witnesses to my car, my
driving, my modifications, and my knowledge base.  He gets a "rollbar", goes
on some tracks, and he's all over the place telling people how to drive,
what to put in their car, HOW to put it in their car, and not infrequently
in a condescending manner from what I've seen (and never commented on until
he comes at ME.)
Darren, the Decaffeinated is JUST AS GOOD as the Real Thing these days...try
it.

I said before that I had a witness to my 10.810 pass on June 3, 1997.  I
said he can't testify.  I don't think about this too often because it is
personal and it hurts.  I had to look his website up again because it was
moved.  http://www.dougb.com/jeff/0.html

Jeff Curtis was from the Chicago area, and had a beautiful Stealth TT that
he raced often, including with me at Union Grove Dragaway.  Well, on the
best pass I ever made, Jeff Curtis was in the other lane racing me.  He did
a 13.781 @ 98.5 mph, his best ET that day; I did the best pass in a
Mitsubishi I have ever had, 10.810 @ 128.44.  He had the other copy of that
timeslip.  I had freaked out later that year because I couldn't find my
copy; he was willing to give me his, but then I found my original so thanked
him for the thought.

He DIED in early 1998, the victim of an asshole drunk driver who caused a
wreck.  He wasn't driving his Stealth, and God help me if he was I bet he'd
still be here.  Alot of us knew him to varying degrees, and we won't forget.
THAT is part of the reason I am just sickened by DARREN SCHILBERG casting
doubts and poison about that DAY and that RACE.  I will not have the memory
of that race, and the record it set, ruined.

Weird, a little...I'm not superstitious, but sometimes I think about Jeff
from that day, he was there with his girlfriend as I recall; we talked about
our cars and our hopes...I think we both sort of pushed each other to do
better that day, and sometimes it just feels like Jeff was in that race with
me, like I got a little push from him mentally or something, and there was
MY best pass, and HIS best of day.  We were so stoked!   It sort of seems
like OUR record, just in my own mind anyway, because that timeslip ties me
to that day and that race and my memories of him.  Weird, I haven't raced
that 93 VR4 since 1997 for various reasons, yet here we are, almost 5 years
later and THAT PASS ALONE still stands, holds record!
http://www.dougb.com/jeff/cars/racing/060397/

Thanks, Jeff.  Miss you, dude.
I'll probably get beaten out; maybe my cars won't cooperate; but I dedicate
my 2002 year of racing to Jeff Curtis.
Rest in peace...or better yet, get those tracks up there good and ready for
the rest of us...
I might never get a good pass all year long, but I'll try; and I'll
remember.
Jack Tertadian

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Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:13:48 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S:  Rollcage needed ?? Was : My Record Pass in Question.

Guys, please keep that as professional as possible ... no flames allowed !

I don't know the rules at all and I guess it depends in what class you run
and this then needs maybe a roll cage. So can someone explain this please ?
If it is true that 10 sec passes are only allowed with roll cages then
others timeslips must be trashed too. I don't know how much weight such a
cage adds to the car but maybe it hinders the car from going into the 10s
then. I doubpt that when I will drive to a local track in Germany and run a
11s pass that this will under any NHRA or whatever rules at all. although
some international races are held there. Please enlighten me ... If I ever
make it to a track, I don't want to be called a looser due to the lack of a
rollcage. BTW, I'd always run with a helmet on the track !

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

PS: IMHO this car run great ;-) and. yes ... I remember the loss of Jeff
... was a sad, sad day !!!

snips

>   Yes, some tracks and sanctioning bodies (NHRA) required in 1997 a rollbar
>for 11.99 or better ET's, and TO SET AN OFFICIAL NHRA SANCTIONED  RECORD you
>have to have it.  My record is not recognized by NHRA, it is just something
>I _DID_.  How many 3S "record runs" ARE officially sanctioned by the NHRA,
>IHRA, IDRA etc?  I bet alot of you even DRIVE to the track, and ELSEWHERE,
>without FULL SMOG EQUIPMENT, which is totally ILLEGAL!

snip

>lady SIGN the back of my 10.89 slip "Car did run the time, ET Shack Peggy,
>10.89" in case some jerk challenged me on it.

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Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:17:15 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Anyone have any complaints about the dynabatt?

>2. Roger, what exactly is the "Euro-warning" for (what rating or
>specification)? The reserve capacity of the Dyna-Batt is less than
>most batteries, but this is only important if the alternator is not
>on or working (such as failed alternator or engine turned off). The
>crank rating exceeds typical wet cell batteries.

I called a local dealer and asked for the prices (that are crazy by the
way). He then asked for what purpose it shoudl be and what size the engine
is. Upon my information he told me the recommendations of the importing
company and he said that the batt is good for small cars and as an
addon-batt for stereo apps in the car.

I'll probably go with the Orange top as it is within the Red and Yellow.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:21:29 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Anyone have any complaints about the dynabatt?

At 09:50 28.02.2002 -0500, Darren Schilberg wrote:
>I think the Optima Red (Auto) and Yellow (Marine) are both deep-cycle
>batteries meaning they can go to absolutely no charge and recover
>without damage.

Unfortunately, the red top goes bad after about 3 deepcycles :(( My
experience :-( The Yellow top is the deep cycle battery and also more
expensive.

There is now an Orange top battery for Europe and it's a red top with about
10-15 deep cycle feature. Price is less as tehy want compete with the local
manufacturers.
I bought the smaller Optima Red Top last week

>the 850 CCA) for about $110 at Pep Boys.

It was the 1050 that went bad. The 850 in the Camaro is still ok :-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:52:32 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:  Rollcage needed ?? Was : My Record Pass in  Question

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
> Guys, please keep that as professional as possible ... no flames allowed !
> I don't know the rules at all and I guess it depends in what class you run
and this then needs maybe a roll cage. So can someone explain this please ?
If it is true that 10 sec passes are only allowed with roll cages then
others timeslips must be trashed too. I don't know how much weight such a
cage adds to the car but maybe it hinders the car from going into the 10s
then. I doubt that when I will drive to a local track in Germany and run a
11s pass that this will under any NHRA or whatever rules at all. although
some international races are held there. Please enlighten me ... If I ever
make it to a track, I don't want to be called a loser due to the lack of a
rollcage. BTW, I'd always run with a helmet on the track !
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> www.rtec.ch
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Hey, Roger, and all,

It's really up to the track operator (or whoever is "running the show" at
the time) to refuse to allow fast (<12sec) cars to run without a rollbar or
cage.  But even though many tracks "say" that in their rules, not all of
them insist on it.  That's even more true during "test and tune" days, when
things are more casual.  They may or may not ban a fast car from running
without proper "suggested" equipment.  But only NHRA and other major org's
make it a strict "requirement".  Even though a car that was expected to run
under 12 sec was allowed to run without recommended equipment, it doesn't
change the fact of the time run, nor in any way negate the record.  Nor
should it, IMO.

ADMIN NOTE:  Roger, and I, and the rest of the Admins think it's highly
inappropriate to mount such a hollow and aggressive challenge against
another member's well-established record simply to have something to do.
We're ending this "discussion" here on the Team3S list, and we're not going
to continue it on our (slightly more relaxed) 3SRacers list, either.  We
don't permit flames or BS or chat.  And we resent attempts by anyone to make
antagonistic statements to other members simply to generate a volatile
discussion.  To goad another Team3S member into responding in defense of an
empty allegation is pretty low.  It won't be permitted now, or ever.

Forrest, for the Admins

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:54:01 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L  CIV" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: M&S Recycling

I have deal with them before with very good experiences. I think someone
already ask this question a few weeks ago. If you search in the archives
you're going to find more input/recommendations.

So far, an excellent resource for our cars.

Hope this help to your decisions.

Victor
'96 Pearl White VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Stegall III [mailto:jstegall@programmer.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:00 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: M&S Recycling

Has anyone here done any work with M&S Recycling?  They're a scrap yard here
in Pomona, Ca and they specialize in ONLY DSMs and 3000GTs/Stealths, it's
all they carry.  I've gone to the yard twice now and they have tons of of
our cars, N/A and turbo.  I get an email from them everytime they get in a
new 3000GT/Stealth, and they seem to have a lot of cars that are quite
complete.  I've seen a few pairs of ball bearing turbos amongst quite a
number of other parts that I've thought about taking a look if they're in
good condition and the price is right, vs buying new.  Just wondering if
anyone on the list has done any business with them and if their prices are
decent and if they're reputable.  Thanks.

John
1994 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:22:48 -0600
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: General dragstrip knowledge (was: RE: My Record Pass  in Question.)

Darren,

The rules at the track we (MN3s) go to are basically, if you go faster than
14.0, then no passenger, always wear a helmet even if you are in the 20's,
and anything under 11.99 you are required to have a roll cage of some sort.
Convertibles are not generally allowed unless you have a roll cage as well,
although they must of never heard of a VR-4 Spyder since Matt J. has never
been called on it. They are very serious about this at Rock Falls (Wis),
they will check your car out after a sub 12 run and if no cage, you are on
your way home, no warnings. I have seen them do it.

Just what I have seen.

Francis
'96 RT/TT

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:32:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: turbo spooling, too slow?

In 1998, TEC only replaced the 13G impeller on my new MHI 13G turbos
with the 15G impeller. The 13G center section, including bearings,
and exhaust section are otherwise unchanged. The only difference
between MHI 13G and TEC 15G are the impellers (and any associated
machining).

There really should be minimal spool-up differences between the 13G
and 15G turbos, assuming the 13G is the factory Mitsu sport turbo
upgrade and not a 9B with a 13G impeller.

The slightly "lower" surge line of the 13G impeller/housing and the
slightly lower moment of inertia (mass) of the 13G impeller will tend
to reduce the 13G turbo transient response compared to the 15G turbo
(meaning the 13G may both spool slightly faster and generate
boost/flow slightly faster than the 15G). The 13G impeller also has
better efficiency than the 15G up to certain flow/boost combinations.

http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius5/j5-2-3s-compflowmaps.htm

A source of poor spool-up can be the boost controller. **As an
experiment only**, prevent air pressure from reaching the wastegates
(a clamp on the Y-pipe reference hose works). This will take the BC
out of the loop (so to speak). Using your accel pedal to control
boost level, observe RPM and boost relationships. If you are still
not hitting 15 psi by 3000 RPM (in a WOT roll-on from 2000 RPM in 2nd
or 3rd gear), you could take a look at the stock cat to see if it is
clogged. (It will look clogged; so you will need to devise a way to
flow air through it while simultaneously measuring pressure at inlet
and outlet; or just buy a $200, new, high-flow cat). As you already
know, improved pre-cats, and better-flowing DP, main cat, and
cat-back can greatly reduce exhaust restrictions.

Also, don't rule out:
1) A wastegate or wastegate actuator malfunction of some sort
("leaks"),
or
2) A leak in the IC system. A simple pressure test can check the
intake track for most (but not all) types of leaks.

http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius3/j3-2-pressuretester.htm

Hope this helps,

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
To: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: turbo spooling, too slow?

Well, this is the spoolup I was hoping for (15psi at 3000 RPM).  Do
you think the TEC 15G turbos have better bearings than the Mitsu 13G,
or is my stock downpipe, exhaust, and/or the original cat with 133K
miles the likely culprit to my slow spoolup?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: turbo spooling, too slow?

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:53:03 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: General dragstrip knowledge

> The rules at the track we (MN3s) go to are basically, if you
> go faster than 14.0, then no passenger, always wear a helmet
> even if you are in the 20's, and anything under 11.99 you are
> required to have a roll cage of some sort.

I'm not sure I have this totally right, but I think you can go without a
helmet if you are slower than 13.999 at most NHRA tracks.  I guess they
figure you are going too slow to really mash up your head in an accident.

Helmet:                13.999 and lower
Convertible Rollbar:   13.999 and lower
Rollcage in all cars:  11.999 and lower

I think those are NHRA regulations, so if you go to an NHRA track they'll
usually adhere to those rules.  If it is IHRA or NIRA or IDRA 1or whatever,
then it goes with their rules, which I think are pretty similar.  If the
track is somehow independent then it is whatever agreement they have with
their insurance company.

Those rules are sometimes suspended for "special events" - like if you rent
the track for a day and provide your own insurance for your event.

> Convertibles are not generally allowed unless you have a
> roll cage as well, although they must of never heard of
> a VR-4 Spyder since Matt J. has never been called on it.

I suspect I'll get called on it this year at some point.  Hopefully not
until I get an 11-second run.  ;-)

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:54:37 -0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Exhaust options

Wow, well that has certainly been increased in the last 4 months.  I bought
mine form them in October 2001 and the price was $540 shipped.  I don't
remember that it was a special sale - I thought it was their everday price.

If someone is interested, I would maybe call and ask.

I know that Jegs.com used to sell them several years ago for about $499.
They have them now for $637.99 (part 157-15443).  How times change!

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gil Gomes [SMTP:gil@3kgt.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:49 PM
> To: Team3s (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Exhaust options
>
>
> Interesting... I'm on http://www.nopionline.com right now and I'm seeing
> the
> Twin Turbo Borla CatBack system for sale at $749.43. What am I missing?
> -Gil
>
>
> > As far as the best price on the Borla, I know that Carparts had them for
> a
> > while for $550 or so.  When JC Whitney took them over they had stopped
> > selling the Borla.  I'm not sure if they are selling them anymore.
> >
> > The cheapest price I have seen on the Borla is $540 shipped from Nopi
> Online
> > - http://www.nopionline.com.  They had them all in stock too.  I have
> done
> a
> > lot of shopping around for that price.  I think that is their everday
> price.
> >
> > Dave 95VR4
> > http://www.daveblack.net
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: apedenko@attbi.com [SMTP:apedenko@attbi.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:13 PM
> > > To: team3s@team3s.com
> > > Subject: Team3S: Exhaust options
> > >
> > > Two questions, really:
> > >
> > > 1. Can someone please explain to the me the difference
> > > between test pipes that sell on e-bay for ~$30 and
> > > the "PreCat eliminator kit" from DR that sells for
> > > $500? Aren't they the same thing?
> > >
> > > 2. For of you that have shopped around, how much (and
> > > where) is a good price for a stillen dp and a borla
> > > catback (vr4). The prices I've seen are around 300 for
> > > the DP and around 700 for the catback. Is that any good?
> > >
> > > Also, is it possible to pass illinois smoging w/o
> > > precats/main cat?
> > >
> > >   Alex.
> > > '95 VR4

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:44:22 -0800
From: Chris Winkley <cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rollcage needed?? Was: My Record Pass in Question

Folks...

I'll second the comments from Bob and Roger...please keep this list
professional and flame free!!!

From my own perspective, the rules under discussion vary from track to
track. Even where they are written, they are often not enforced. I
personally have run 12s here in Oregon without my helmet on. I have every
intention of breaking into the 11s this year, but have been told that a roll
cage (not just rollbar...meaning six point, not four point or two point) is
"required" when running below the 11.00 mark. Again, though, four things
happen:

1. They ask you what time you're planning on running. Simple enough, you
predict the 12s.
2. If you run under the 11s, they may or may not kick you off the track for
the day.
3. Regardless of whether you get kicked off the track, a timeslip is a
timeslip. I personally have never entered any of the NHRA rated class drags
so it makes no difference if they log the time in some book. What I have
(and Jack T has) is the slip that PROVES how I performed on a given day.
4. None of the above prevents you from coming back another day and repeating
the same steps. I suppose that, at some point, they might come to recognize
me, and the pattern, but I'm not worried about that. I'll be MORE than happy
to have a timeslip in my possession that matches the number on my windshield
(I'll be sure to take a photo for those who doubt) indicating my time.

Now, a technical question. Has anyone ever used a wet nitrous system on
their car? It seems this combines the value gained by water injection, along
with the boost of nitrous. Given the number of miles I drive my car (10K in
five years), I'm considering adding a wet nitrous system. Suggestions???

Looking forward...Chris (Team3S Admin)

1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/custom K&N intake, bored and polished
throttle body, TEC 15G turbos, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, ARC2/MAF
fuel controller, Split Second A/F meter, GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
Apex EGT & boost gauges, GReddy turbo timer, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Odyssey dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .032", ACT 2800 lb pressure plate, Broward six puck racing disc,
Centerforce throwout bearing, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, Stillen cross-drilled rotors, Porterfield R4 race pads, SS brake
lines, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs, Michelin SX MXX3 Pilots)

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:43:05 -0800
From: "ek2mfg" <ek2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: General dragstrip knowledge (was: RE: My Record Pass in Question.)

A friend of mine runs an S2000....ran into problems with the stock
roll bar all the time but when he came with his hard top he was never
questioned....

bobk.
93r/t

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:21:36 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: MAP Sensor Works (finally)

First of all, a big thanks to Roger (Gerl) for saving my sanity...

I installed a General Motors 3-bar MAP sensor for use with my ERL water
injection system and the signal wire did sat at +0V, no matter what the
pressure reading was.  I was not happy.  I got my wiring diagram from the
following thread, figuring that GM owners should know the pinout of their
own parts.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19848

Well, that thread says that A=+5V, B=signal, and C=+0V.  It's wrong.  The
power and ground are BACKWARDS!  The A, B, and C terminals are clearly
labeled both on the part AND on the GM harness that I'm using, so I'm sure I
hooked up the wires the way the post mentioned.  The correct wiring, as
Roger showed me with a labeled picture of the sensor, is A=+0V, B=signal,
and C=+0V for the GM 3-bar MAP sensor.  The only thing I can figure is that
the thread refers to a 2-bar MAP sensor and that the pinout is different
(that's a guess - I don't know for sure).

And, at least for short periods, it seems that reversing power and ground on
the sensor doesn't fry it - mine still works as it should (I tested it out
manually). 

- --Erik
'95 VR-4 with a (finally) fully working 3D mapping WI system
(and a happy green light on my dash that tells me when water
 is being sprayed into the y-pipe)

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:27:05 -0800 (PST)
From: menalteed <menalteed@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Drivers side Intercooler

Has anyone who has removed this drivers side
intercoller on a TT been able to do it withour
removing the bumper, also what is the time frame for
removing that intercooler. I just checked mine in the
process of my turbo replacement and it is full of oil.
I can remove it and clean it or vacuum it the best I
can without taking it out or possibly put a drain bong
in the bottom of the intercooler, then drain and
cleaning in place and have a future ease of cleaning
if a problem should creep up again. OK you machanics
give me some guidence, just how bad is this going to be.

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:53:41 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Drivers side Intercooler

Removing the bumper isn't THAT bad, but it is time consuming.  If you have a
service manual, it's pretty straight-forward.  The first time, plan on it
taking a couple hours because of those @#%$# plastic "clip with the screw in
the center" thingies that hold the wheelwell splashguards in place.  That
was the only thing that was extremely painful for me on my '95 VR-4.  An air
ratchet or a socket attachment for a cordless drill are very nice for all
the 10mm bolts all over the place.

- --Erik

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:39:36 EST
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: My Record Pass in Question.

Jack, I'm impressed at how sensitive & considerate you are about
this absurd complaint. Why you'd even consider this worthy of an
answer a stretch. Maybe if HUGE hard dollars are at stake or a
Formula 1 Title but this is private Street & Drag racing. I can assure
you that IMHO your time slip says (loud & clear) all that needs to be
said.
Arty 91 VR-4 11.41 @ 124.32 (still slowly working on the monster)

In a message dated 03/01/2002 1:41:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
xwing@wi.rr.com writes:

<< Subj:     Team3S: My Record Pass in Question.
 Date:  03/01/2002 1:41:38 AM Eastern Standard Time
 From:  xwing@wi.rr.com (xwing)
 Sender:    owner-team3s@team3s.com
 To:    dschilberg@pobox.com, team3s@stealth-3000gt.st, 3sracers@speedtoys.com
 
 I'm upset.
 Darren Schilberg has a technical argument that my record passes should be
 forgotten, don't count, and says "other folks" might question them, >>

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:44:59 -0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fog Light bulb replacement

Dude its easy ;) .... there is a "cap" in the rear of the foglight that must
be twisted 45 degrees counterclockwise and removed. Then the lamp is held
with a spring that must be pushed up or down don't recall. Anyhow took me
about 30 minutes the first time and I didn't have to remove a single screw.

Eric C. 92 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Thomas Jeys
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:54 PM
To: Team 3s
Subject: RE:Team3S: Fog Light bulb replacement


Okay,

Mitsubishi lighting engineers are idiots.  You know what I mean if you've
ever tried to change the bulb of one of the 1g popup type headlights.  And
now I'm getting the wonderful experience of trying to change the fog light
bulb.  What a pain!!  As best I can see, the whole front of the car has to
come off!  The plastic piece on the front of the car has about 90 screws or
bolts holding it on, as I see it only about 15 of them are necessary.  Has
anyone else tried this?  Am I missing something very obvious?


T.J. 1992 3000GT VR-4
tj@jeys.net

PS: Does it seem like mitsubishi has "special" engineers day?  Have the good
engineers come in and design the engine then have the morons design
everything else?

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:08:40 -0800
From: "P N Sankarshanan" <yoss@aracnet.com>
Subject: Team3S: $40 + labor suspension mod

Folks:

    After following all the various suspension/handling upgrade related
threads, I've decided to try out the cheapest of them - for $40, I'm gonna
replace the anti-sway bar bushes with polyurethane ones.  The more expensive
part of the bargain is the labor; but, I need to get the dang rear-differential
seal fixed up anyway, so I'm getting both of them done at the same time.

- -sankar

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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:37:38 -0800 (PST)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Drivers side Intercooler

Hi,

If you are going to remove/drain the intercooler, you
should consider straightening all of the fins. 

Mine had small stones, bugs, leaves, bees, pine
needles, etc.  Took me about 2 hours per intercooler
to debug and straighten the fins.

I fastened metal screening onto the inside of the
bumper cover holes to protect my work.

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- menalteed <menalteed@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Has anyone who has removed this drivers side
> intercoller on a TT been able to do it withour
> removing the bumper, also what is the time frame for
> removing that intercooler. I just checked mine in
> the
> process of my turbo replacement and it is full of
> oil.
> I can remove it and clean it or vacuum it the best I
> can without taking it out or possibly put a drain
> bong
> in the bottom of the intercooler, then drain and
> cleaning in place and have a future ease of cleaning
> if a problem should creep up again. OK you machanics
> give me some guidence, just how bad is this going to
> be.

Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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