Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Sunday, February 10 2002   Volume 01 : Number 750




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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:36:53 -0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Im sure gonna ruin this machine.

Humm .. well the electric one I'm looking at is the Apex AVC-R. I've looked
on the web and in all my "VR4" mail .. I keep it all btw ;) .. Anyhow Brian
at www.gtpro.com quoted me a great price ... so you might try him
gtpro@netzero.net. And there is a TON on info on it in the archives, such as
what initial settings to use etc. Also Brian said they would back it up with
"hardcore technical support"

Eric Cheek, 92 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Aaron Kealey
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:12 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Im sure gonna ruin this machine.

Hey Guys,

I just threw together a bleeder valve boost controller using an SMC flow
control valve and installed it in my cabin. (flip up the cover on the aux.
lighter socket and there it is. Pretty slick eh? -thanks for the info Jeff-)
Trouble is it doesnt work. I get a crazy spike in pressure right when i get
on the throttle. If i turn it down to where it initally only spikes to
12-13psi, it quickly settles back down close to the stock 9psi (1993).

QESTION:
Before i ruin my car with my cheapo, homemade gadgetry, could someone tell
me what a good ELECTRONIC BOOST CONTROLLER would be. They range so wide in
price, I dont really know which features would just be a waste for me. Is
fuzzy logic worth the increased price? Do you need a dyno to tune/program
the high end ones? Keep in mind I'm no pro-racer here.

Keep 'em spooled,
Aaron

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:06:10 -0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Im sure gonna ruin this machine.

Sup Darren, Here is what he had e-mailed me,

"We can beat them at $449.00 plus back it up with hardcore technical support
to do your install and tuning.. We have a small parts listing, but our new
site will be very robust and have everything on it plus MUCH more. Let me
know if this works for you.."

I think I'll be purchasing one from him in the next couple of weeks. I've
searched the net high and low and the best price b4 his was 459.00 from
www.rotormotorsports.com .I did read a thread in the archives for a site
that was suppose to have it listed under "group buys" for 349 .. I checked
the site(
http://www.ecarshops.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TM&Cate
gory_Code=groupbuys ) and the price listed was 459.00 with free shipping ...

Ya, bang for the buck this looks to be the best one to go with .. and I've
found a ton of information in the archives so hopefully I can get it set up
with out blowing the motor ;) BTW have you thought of where to mount the
headpiece? I've thought of building a "Pod" that will sit on top of the
turbo/oil/temp tri-bumps .... I've also though about just velcroing about
the ac display .... Id like for it to be easy to see, and not detract from
the looks of the interior ... so well see ... Trying to get a few things
fixed up b4 August. I don't want to be embarrassed at the meet ;)

Eric Cheek, 92 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darren Schilberg [mailto:dschilberg@pobox.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:23 PM
To: echeek@cox-internet.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Im sure gonna ruin this machine.

Eric,

What price?  That is the only one I want.  I like how it can replay in
those two analog gauges stuff like RPM, etc.  I have seen it for as low
as $400 I think.  Can't remember.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Eric Cheek
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 23:37
To: 'Team3S' (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Im sure gonna ruin this machine.

Humm .. well the electric one I'm looking at is the Apex AVC-R. I've
looked
on the web and in all my "VR4" mail .. I keep it all btw ;) .. Anyhow
Brian
at www.gtpro.com quoted me a great price ... so you might try him
gtpro@netzero.net. And there is a TON on info on it in the archives,
such as
what initial settings to use etc. Also Brian said they would back it up
with
"hardcore technical support"

Eric Cheek, 92 VR4

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:06:26 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Mushy Brakes

Problem cropped up over the past couple days.  My brake pedal went from
mushy to almost non-existent.  It was great. then all of a sudden, the
brakes began to feel mushy. I have brand new rotors, pads and SS lines.
I had a brake shop check all the outboard fittings, and everything is
fine. 
 
What happens, is the first time I press on the brakes, the car slows
down, and will stop quickly, but the pedal is very mushy.  if I take my
foot off the brake, and immediately depress it again, the pedal is much
more difficult to push, and if I do it a third consecutive time, it is
very stiff and stops the car very fast (just like when I first installed
the new brake lines and such).  I had the fluid flushed and bled just
the other day, but since then, the brake light came on, and I added
fluid.  That was two days ago.  Now, all of a sudden today, it is acting
like I described above..  My thoughts are brake slave cylinder, but I'm
not sure. 
 
This seems to be getting progressively worse over the past week and a
half now that I think about it.
 
Any clues where to look first.
 
- -Cody

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:18:43 +0000
From: "glynn birds" <glynn_birds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Covertion of combination lights to UK spec

I've just imported a GTO to the UK from Japan. I need to install separate
front sidelights and so need to remove that function from the combination
lights. I have installed the new lights but the sidelight goes out when
indicating. This is fine for the combination light. I guess that circuit is
switched off when indicating. I know you would not have come across this,
but could anyone please tell me where this takes place and how I could
eliminate it.

Many Thanks,

Glynn Birds

1994 Black Non Turbo Auto GTO

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:10:24 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mushy Brakes

I would check your vacuum hoses going to your brake booster.  Make sure they
are on tight and not cracked or too hard.  If those are good then check your
brake booster itself.  Here are the steps out of the repair manual.

1.  Run the engine for one or two minutes and then stop it.

2.  Step on the breke pedal several times with normal pressure.
    If the pedal dresses fully the first time but gradually becomes higher
when depressed succeeding times, the booster is operating properly.
    If the pedal height remains unchanged, the booster is faulty.

3.  With the engine stopped, step on the brake pedal several times with the
same pressure to make sure the pedal height will not change.
    Then step on the brake pedal and start the engine.
    If the pedal moves doward slightly, the booster is in good condition.
If there is no change, the booster is faulty.

4.  With the engine running, step on the brake pedal and then stop the
engine.
    Hold the pedal depressed for 30 seconds.  If the pedal height does not
change, the booster is in good condition.  If the pedal rises, the booster
is faulty.

Doug
92 Stealth TT

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:20:41 -0800 (PST)
From: menalteed <menalteed@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Water line eye bolts, Turbo

I'm in the process, "at a snails pace",  I should add
in changing my turbos on my Dear 92 Stealth
TT. I'm not a ace mechanic, more like a determined
tradesman who couldn't bring myself to pay
what the dealer wanted for this repair, although he
was kind enough to point out the problem.
I have found tremendous help on our web site, but
little snags do crop up. When I removed the water
cooling eye bolts it looked like marking them in and
out didn't seem necessary . My almost new turbo is
nesting back in it's comfortable new home and now
while getting ready to replace the water lines I
notice that
the eye of one of the bolts is slightly larger then
the other, so I ask,  is this the in line or out line?
More to the point does that larger eye sit closer to
the block or the radiator? A further question should
be when I torque these bolts down does that place the
eye in the correct direction to pass the water
through. I will be using all new crush washers.

Peter, Seattle Wa.

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:28:58 -0500
From: "Jerry B." <scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mushy Brakes

Here is Something to look at,, I had a car in my shop the other day,,(
Nissan Maxima) Came in for a break job. (Front and Rear). Brake Flush the
works ya know. Well after the work was accomplished we pulled the car out of
hte bays and same problems as you ahve descrobed. (first push almost
nothing,, second alittle more and third ok). After about an hour of looking
hte car over i had found that the right caliper was faulty, ( it was pushing
out but stopping at a certain point). now it was hard to detect becasue you
could see that it was working but not completely as it should.. after
changing hte caliper and bleeding hte brake system again the car was fine...

    Rec-- taking it back to the shop where you had the work done and having
them check your calipers to make sure they are working properly,, Like I
said they will appear to b eworking fine but will not press out correctly..
it will make contact with pad but have no REAL pressure behind it..

Hope this helps you out,, any other questions feel free to ask about the
braking system...

Jerry B. 92 Stealth ES & 93 Stealth RT/TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
To: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>; "Team3S" <team3s@mail.speedtoys.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mushy Brakes

> I would check your vacuum hoses going to your brake booster.  Make sure
they
> are on tight and not cracked or too hard.  If those are good then check
your
> brake booster itself.  Here are the steps out of the repair manual.
>
> 1.  Run the engine for one or two minutes and then stop it.
>
> 2.  Step on the breke pedal several times with normal pressure.
>     If the pedal dresses fully the first time but gradually becomes higher
> when depressed succeeding times, the booster is operating properly.
>     If the pedal height remains unchanged, the booster is faulty.
>
> 3.  With the engine stopped, step on the brake pedal several times with
the
> same pressure to make sure the pedal height will not change.
>     Then step on the brake pedal and start the engine.
>     If the pedal moves doward slightly, the booster is in good condition.
> If there is no change, the booster is faulty.
>
> 4.  With the engine running, step on the brake pedal and then stop the
> engine.
>     Hold the pedal depressed for 30 seconds.  If the pedal height does not
> change, the booster is in good condition.  If the pedal rises, the booster
> is faulty.
>
>
> Doug
> 92 Stealth TT

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:35:30 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Water line eye bolts, Turbo

> My almost new turbo is nesting back in it's
> comfortable new home and now while getting
> ready to replace the water lines I notice that
> the eye of one of the bolts is slightly larger
> then the other, so I ask,  is this the in line
> or out line? More to the point does that larger
> eye sit closer to the block or the radiator?

It doesn't really matter.  If I remember right, the sizes of the fittings
(the part the bolts go through on the water lines) are the same.  If they
are different in some way on your car, the larger one should only fit one of
the two fittings.

> A further question should be when I torque
> these bolts down does that place the
> eye in the correct direction to pass the
> water  through. I will be using all new
> crush washers.

The fittings are called "banjo fittings".  The inside of the banjo fitting
is machined out so that the water/oil or whatever will flow around the
circumference of the fitting and to the bolt hole.  Orientation doesn't
matter as much as the proper torque on the bolt.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:19:22 -0800 (PST)
From: raul cinelli <raulcinelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: NEWBIE need help

> Hi, my name is Raul Cinelli, 1 year ago I contacted
> you with my first question and after that, I have
> been
> "disconected" from the net, due to personal
> problems.
> (I am sorry about my english, I speak spanish).
> I live in Argentina, South America, and there are
> only a few 3000 GT around so nobody knows a lot
about this cars.
> Mine is a 1995 mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4. withe pearl.
>
> The problem started yesterday. I was traveling in a
> freeway and decided to go down to 3rd gear and push
> the throtle to the 6500 revs, after that, I switched
> to 4 gear and 2 or 3 seconds after that, I noticed
> that the car turned off for a second and then came
> back inmediately, 2 or 3 seconds after that, the
> problem came back but this time it was clearly that
> the car will turn off definitely so I put it on the
> side of the freeway and at the time it was going
> slowly, the engine was failing and then turned off.
> I tryied to start it again, and the symptoms I found
> was:
> - the car started again, but inmediately start
> failing and turned off. This occured several times,
always the same.
> - If I pushed the throtle a lot more, the car kept
> running for a few seconds, but inmediately after I
> stoped to push the throtle a lot, it went off.
> - During this start and turn off thing, I noticed
> that when I slow down the revs, inmediately it
sounds
> like it was going to turn off, at that moment, it
> was a BLACK fume coming from the exhaust.
> - Also, when the revs go down, the Turbos gauge
> started to go up, a lot. When I pushed the throtle a
> little more, the gauge went down a little, and the
> same all the time.
> - I waited for an hour or two, and after that, I
> tryed again to start the car. The same exactly
symptoms was found, BUT, the engine kept running for a
little more time without turning off, but the same
symptoms appeared, the revs went UP and DOWN second
after second even with the throtle free, I mean, I did
not push the throtle at all, and I saw the revs went
up
> and down , (up to 3000 and down to 1500).
> When the revs went to 1500 it sounds like it was
going to turn off, and then, whne it goes up to 2500
it sounds good, like if there was no problem. The
gauge act exactly the same as in the freeway, when the
revs went down, the gauge went up, and vice versa.
>
> Can you please help me with this problem ?
> Please, let me know what you think and what parts
> you think I may need to replace and if you know
their
> prices it would help me a lot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raul Cinelli
> 95 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4
> withe pearl
  Argentina

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