Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Wednesday, February 6 2002
Volume 01 : Number
746
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Date:
Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:17:37 -0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject:
Team3S: knock sensor
I care, what are you doing ?
- -----Original
Message-----
From: fastmax [mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday,
February 05, 2002 8:23 AM
To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: knock sensor
I'm going to try this one again since there was so
little interest last
time ---- anybody with a 94 and up turbo car should
care.
The following page form Jeff Lucius's copy of the Technical
Information
Manual describes the knock sensor as being a resonance type of
sensor, and
as such, generates a voltage spike at a predesigned engine block
resonance
frequency ---- IT IS NOT A SIMPLE MICROPHONE !!!!
The ECU
does not do any signal analysis, it simply looks at the voltage
output of
the knock sensor, assigns a knock count to the voltage level and
controls
timing to reduce the knock value.
If this information is true, then a
knock indicator for the 2ng gen cars
would
be a very simple design ----
maybe as simple as an analog volt meter.
http://www.team3s.com/STIM91/Images/tim_14-09.gif
Jim Berry
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:18:00
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: knock sensor
> My feeling is you don't particularly care
about millisecond
> duration events, they may be real or perhaps false
but they
> are transient. Real knock is a
> permanent condition
based on engine load and other conditions
> at the time. To detect the
transient conditions you need peak
> hold type of equipment, that could
of course be done but for
> now I think most folk would settle for just a
detector.
I don't understand what you mean by knock being a "permanent
condition"...
Can you elaborate on your thoughts? You need to detect it
before it happens
on every combustion cycle - by the time you get to that
point the damage can
already be done. Even when it happens on a
consistent basis, it may only be
in one cylinder so you aren't going to see a
steady stream of higher voltage
coming from the knock sensor - it'll still be
a series of spikes.
> Did John post info on his experiment, and if so,
where would
> I search ???
No other info posted. What I
posted is the essence of what was done and the
results.
- -Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:38:06
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
I guess more correctly the condition is semi-permanent ----
as long as you
maintain the same engine conditions, load, input temps, boost,
timing --- the
detonation will be constant. That's why the ECU retards
timing, it changes one
of the conditions that led to the
detonation.
You can't detect the event in advance --- there is no
precursor information.
You detect and respond to the actual series of events
and hopefully respond
before any damage is done. You can, through experience,
limit the parameters
in advance, boost is an example. The ECU may retard
timing for a longer
period of time just to make sure the problem is
gone.
The following information is based on the assumption that the tech
manual
has accurate information: When detonation starts it is not a one time
event,
even if it's one cylinder it occurs repetitively and the ringing in
the block
continues until the detonation goes away --- as long as the block
is ringing
the sensor is outputting a signal to the ECU [ so sez the manual
].
Jim
Berry
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- -----
Original Message -----
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
| I
don't understand what you mean by knock being a "permanent condition"...
|
Can you elaborate on your thoughts? You need to detect it before it
happens
| on every combustion cycle - by the time you get to that point the
damage can
| already be done. Even when it happens on a consistent
basis, it may only be
| in one cylinder so you aren't going to see a steady
stream of higher voltage
| coming from the knock sensor - it'll still be a
series of spikes.
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:40:42
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
| I care,
what are you doing ?
I'm trying to stir up apathy.
I don't
necessarily care --- I've got a 93 with a TMO data logger.
Jim
Berry
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:36:30
-0500
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
I do care! I think the interest in knock reading
is very high but only in
the 94+ crowd. However, if a read-time knock display
unit could be
developed, like the MSD Knock Alert but better, then pretty
much everyone
would be interested.
I think you have the right idea
about how the knock sensor works. The knock
sensor always produces some basic
voltage which could be just as high as
the knock itself at high loads and
high RPM. Voltage spikes occur all the
time but when real knock starts the
voltage becomes higher. Therefore this
basis noise has to be subtracted from
the voltmeter's reading before it
could be converted into knock counts. But
this should be just a matter of
spending enough time and effort on knock
calibration.
If you get to being able to read knock sensor's output, then
the
relationship between sensor voltage and ECU knock counts could
be
determined by taking a 1st gen car, unplugging the knock sensor,
and
supplying a known voltage to the ECU at different RPM and logging
knock
counts with a TMO. This could probably be done while reving the engine
in
neutral.
I think this knock reader should be a digital device with
RPM input and
with the ability to be programmed to subtract basic noise based
on RPM. It
also has to have a high impedance not to affect sensor's
signal.
Philip
P.S. Do not forget to use the octave slope
crossover on either side. ;-)
-
----------------------------------------------------
"fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net> wrote:
I'm going to try
this one again since there was so little interest last
time ---- anybody with
a 94 and up turbo car should care.
The following page form Jeff Lucius's
copy of the Technical Information
Manual describes the knock sensor as being
a resonance type of sensor, and
as such, generates a voltage spike at a
predesigned engine block resonance
frequency ---- IT IS NOT A SIMPLE
MICROPHONE !!!!
The ECU does not do any signal analysis, it simply looks
at the voltage
output of the knock sensor, assigns a knock count to the
voltage level and
controls timing to reduce the knock value.
If this
information is true, then a knock indicator for the 2ng gen cars
would
be
a very simple design ---- maybe as simple as an analog volt meter.
http://www.team3s.com/STIM91/Images/tim_14-09.gif
Jim Berry
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:00:26
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: 1995 Stealth TT gross weight
Philip,
If you
want to use that as your weight then that is fine. It might
not be
accurate and your G-Tech Pro hp might be 20 hp higher but I don't
care.
Just saying that in general a truck scale is not going to even
have a 5 pound
increment. Someone told me that a truck scale in their
state knew when
a 240 pound driver was in the truck or not so maybe
these things CAN
work. I have never actually seen it be that accurate
and since you were
in the car you can not tell either. Go back there
and ask to look at
the number being displayed then throw a 5-pound bag
of sugar on the seat and
see if it changes any. Then I think we will be
happy that it can detect
small changes like that.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
Over 4,000 pound
weight on the track and that's enough info for me
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Philip V Glazatov
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002
06:08
Darren, I appreciate your point about accuracy. My goal was
to get a
rough
estimate of my car's weight and it just happened that this
estimate came
within one pound of the published weight of a 1996 Stealth TT.
The two
cars are virtually identical. All the differences that I was able
to
find
would not even be responsible for a 5 lbs weight difference. A
1996
Stealth has a larger wing, OBDII and two extra O2 sensors,
body-color
roof, no extra power outlet in the center console, no rear
storage
straps
(ask Joe Gonsowski what those are). Therefore a 1 lbs makes
a lot of
sense
to me. Much more sense than a couple of references that
list the 1995
Stealth to to be 121 lbs heavier than the 96 Stealth and even
11 lbs
heavier than the more option-loaded 95 VR-4.
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:33:57
-0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <
dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S:
J-spec engine question
I was wondering what exactly the differences were
between the VR4 and the
Japanese/European GTO (twin turbo) J-spec
model.
My understanding is that the only difference is the J-spec model
has 13G
turbos as stock whereas the VR4 has 9B turbos. Other than
emissions, is
this the only difference between the two?
Also, what is
the stock HP rating and what is the stock boost setting for
the
GTO?
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:08:13
-0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need
a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
I've got a 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T TT
and need the sunroof. It is detachable
and the removal instruction come in
the manual. I will not hesitate to fax
or e-mail the removal instructions as
necessary. If anyone is parting out
their car or has a hookup to get me one
of these, I'd be very glad. Mine was
stolen by the shipping company and after
the attorney fee, it's not even
worth pursuing. Please contact me at (408)
738-4705 (leave a message) or
email me at
riyan@hotpop.com.
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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:32:51
-0700
From: Dave Monarchi <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
-
--------
+> I've got a 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T TT and need the sunroof.
It is detachable
+> and the removal instruction come in the manual. I will
not hesitate to fax
+> or e-mail the removal instructions as necessary. If
anyone is parting out
+> their car or has a hookup to get me one of these,
I'd be very glad. Mine was
+> stolen by the shipping company and after the
attorney fee, it's not even
+> worth pursuing. Please contact me at (408)
738-4705 (leave a message) or
+> email me at
riyan@hotpop.com.
I was going to send
this privately, but it since I haven't asked anyone
in a while, I figured I'd
try the list one more time..
Riyan,
I assume all you're looking
for is the glass. Unfortunately, I don't have
the part for you, but I
need a different part that may help your search.
I need the regulator
mechanism that raises the roof, but most salvage
yards won't sell it
separtely. Perhaps we can buy a complete unit
and split up the cost
somehow. I know that M&S Recycling typically
has several
available.
http://www.msrecycling.com/Can
any of you help both of us out at a better price than
M&S?
Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
=
87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html
= There is no spoon.. =
=======================
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:49:08
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
>
http://www.team3s.com/STIM91/Images/tim_14-09.gifAccording
to the diagram, it is actually simpler than an electret
microphone. Electret
microphones have a FET built in for amplification.
Everything else is the
same.
Steve
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:44:27
-0800
From: "tri" <
thn@dexray.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need
a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
i'm not sure about your experience
with M&S, but be careful of what they
sell you. i ordered a wheel from
them and asked specifically if it was
warped or bent in any way. they assured
me that they would never send me
something in bad condition. i can understand
scratches, but when i got it
the lip was bent in several places and the
center cap was beyond repair. i'm
not sure if i'd ever buy from them
again.it's costing me 165 just to get the
wheel back to factory condition.
all in all, i wish i had given the extra 45
bucks to mitsu and had a new
wheel.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Monarchi" <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
To:
"Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Cc: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for
1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
> +> I've got a 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T TT
and need the sunroof. It is
detachable
> +> and the removal
instruction come in the manual. I will not hesitate to
fax
> +> or
e-mail the removal instructions as necessary. If anyone is
parting
out
> +> their car or has a hookup to get me one of these,
I'd be very glad.
Mine was
> +> stolen by the shipping company and
after the attorney fee, it's not
even
> +> worth pursuing. Please
contact me at (408) 738-4705 (leave a message)
or
> +> email me at
riyan@hotpop.com.
>
> I was
going to send this privately, but it since I haven't asked anyone
> in a
while, I figured I'd try the list one more time..
>
>
Riyan,
>
> I assume all you're looking for is the glass.
Unfortunately, I don't have
> the part for you, but I need a different
part that may help your search.
> I need the regulator mechanism that
raises the roof, but most salvage
> yards won't sell it separtely.
Perhaps we can buy a complete unit
> and split up the cost somehow.
I know that M&S Recycling typically
> has several available.
http://www.msrecycling.com/>
>
Can any of you help both of us out at a better price than
M&S?
>
> Dave
> =======================
> = 95 Black
3000GT VR4 =
> = 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html>
= There is no spoon.. =
> =======================
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:42:31
-0800 (PST)
From: John Christian <
jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Clutch Fluid Reservoir
Hi TJ,
I gave up trying to find
mine. When I removed my
engine I found it near the tranny near the
firewall.
Brake fluid fills it.
I think only Hudini could
get to it -- well unless you
have the engine out of the car.
I'll send
you a pic if you like.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Be of good
cheer,
John with lots of nuts, bolts, pieces....
- --- Thomas
Jeys <
tj@jeys.net> wrote:
> Where
the heck is the clutch fluid reservoir? Does
> it take it's brake
fluid
> strait out of the brake fluid reservoir? Please
> tell
me it does, I spent 15
> minutes looking for the clutch reservoir
and
> couldn't find it. I'm hoping
> it's not in some strange
ungodly place that required
> double-jointed fingers
> and arms to
reach. Of course now that I've sent this
> e-mail to the list, I
>
hope it's not right out in plain sight either.
>
> T.J.
>
1992 3000GT VR-4
>
tj@jeys.net=====
Please respond to
jczoom@iname.com'93 TT with Porsche
brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH
5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538***
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:59:30
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
> I do care! I think the interest in knock
reading is very high but only in
> the 94+ crowd. However, if a read-time
knock display unit could be
> developed, like the MSD Knock Alert but
better, then pretty much everyone
> would be interested.
There's
already somthing on the market, it works well. I have one in my car,
very
cheap too.
http://www.link-electro.co.nz/knocklink.htmlSteve
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:59:36
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: knock sensor
> There's already somthing on the market, it
works well. I have
> one in my car, very cheap too.
>
http://www.link-electro.co.nz/knocklink.htmlInteresting...
I hadn't seen that before. Do you have it hooked up to the
stock knock
sensor line, or did you add another knock sensor somewhere on
the
block? Looks like Performance Developments sells it for $120.
Cheap!
http://66.127.180.170/link.html-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:59:13
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
With one major exception ---- according to the description
it's designed
to provide an output only at the natural resonate frequency of
the block.
You ring the block you get an output --- I'm sure the output isn't
that
clean but it's a
start.
Jim
Berry
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-----
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
To:
<
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: knock sensor
|
>
http://www.team3s.com/STIM91/Images/tim_14-09.gif|
| According to the diagram, it is actually simpler than an electret
|
microphone. Electret microphones have a FET built in for amplification.
|
Everything else is the same.
|
| Steve
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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:15:41
-0500
From: Jerry Bowling <
scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Clutch Fluid Reservoir
Question?? what year model car is it,,
I have a 92 stealth es and the it is
right next to the brake fluid res. to
the right of it between the firewall
and beake booster. I had to replace mine
on my car becasue the fluid was
leaking into my car. So hope that might help
you out a bit,, BTW all you can
really see or it is the cap and you would not
know it by looking at it...
Another TIP look in the books about service,, it
might show a
picture........
Jerry B. 92 Stealth Es
- -----
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From: "John Christian" <
jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
To: "Thomas
Jeys" <
tj@jeys.net>; "3sTeam3S" <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Fluid
Reservoir
> Hi TJ,
>
> I gave up trying to find
mine. When I removed my
> engine I found it near the tranny near the
firewall.
>
> Brake fluid fills it.
>
> I think only
Hudini could get to it -- well unless you
> have the engine out of the
car.
>
> I'll send you a pic if you like.
>
> If it
ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
> Be of good cheer,
> John
with lots of nuts, bolts, pieces....
>
> --- Thomas Jeys <
tj@jeys.net> wrote:
> > Where the heck
is the clutch fluid reservoir? Does
> > it take it's brake
fluid
> > strait out of the brake fluid reservoir? Please
>
> tell me it does, I spent 15
> > minutes looking for the clutch
reservoir and
> > couldn't find it. I'm hoping
> > it's
not in some strange ungodly place that required
> > double-jointed
fingers
> > and arms to reach. Of course now that I've sent
this
> > e-mail to the list, I
> > hope it's not right out in
plain sight either.
> >
> > T.J.
> > 1992 3000GT
VR-4
> >
tj@jeys.net>
>
=====
> Please respond to
jczoom@iname.com> '93 TT with Porsche
brakes and Supra TT rotors
>
12.4@109MPH 5/97 almost stock
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:06:39
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
That would be a engine saver if it works well --- how about
some info.
How long have you had it, what is the cost and how do you know it
works.
Have you been able to hook it up to a 1st gen car and compare it to
a
TMO log ???
Anybody else out there with this unit
?????????
Jim
Berry
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- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
|
> I do care! I think the interest in knock reading is very high but only
in
| > the 94+ crowd. However, if a read-time knock display unit could
be
| > developed, like the MSD Knock Alert but better, then pretty much
everyone
| > would be interested.
|
| There's already somthing on
the market, it works well. I have one in my car,
| very cheap too.
|
|
http://www.link-electro.co.nz/knocklink.html|
| Steve
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:12:00
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: knock sensor
> With one major exception ---- according to
the description
> it's designed to provide an output only at the natural
> resonate frequency of the block. You ring the block you get
> an
output --- I'm sure the output isn't that
> clean but it's a
start.
It isn't tuned to output ONLY at the resonance frequency of the
block, but
it should give its maximum output in that range. Notice that
the diagram to
the left shows a bell-curve with the resonance point in the
middle.
Depending on what the scale of the frequency axis is, this might be a
very
finely tuned sensor or it could be very coarse. Is the frequency
axis a
range from 9,000hz to 10,000hz, or is it a scale of 100hz to
25,000hz? The
numbers aren't there, unfortunately.
Seriously, I
HOPE that it is that sensitive and as simple as you are
describing it - but
there IS filtering circuitry in the ECU, same as there
is on the DSM
cars. I wonder if it would be there if the knock sensor was
so finely
tuned.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:28:08
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: J-spec engine question
> I was wondering what exactly the
differences were between the VR4 and the
> Japanese/European GTO (twin
turbo) J-spec model.
>
> My understanding is that the only
difference is the J-spec model has 13G
> turbos as stock whereas the VR4
has 9B turbos. Other than emissions, is
> this the only difference
between the two?
No,the jap cars come with 9Bs unless the previous owner
has upgraded.
No EGR valve or associated bits & pieces
One oxy sensor
in the exhaust pipe directly under the stereo.
As far as I can tell the HP
rating is the same.
Quite a few differences with wheels, interior and
accessories.
For example most of the '90, '91 and '92 cars I've seen have 16
inch wheels,
most of the later ones went to 17 inch., the very late models
went to 18
inch.
I haven't yet seen one with a inbuilt alarm or
keyless entry, those with
sunroof are manual, the glass lifts out and fits in
the boot.
The speedometers go to 180Km/h, the cars themselves are speed
limited to
about 190Km/h. My rev limiter cuts in at exactly 7000. The cruise
control
only works up to 112Km/h (70mph). The boost gauge has no
numbers on it,
just a scale with + and -. Oh and of course the 1st gen have
GTO between the
rear lights although mine has been changed to
Mitsubishi.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:37:39
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
> Interesting... I hadn't seen that
before. Do you have it hooked up to
the
> stock knock sensor
line, or did you add another knock sensor somewhere on
> the block?
Looks like Performance Developments sells it for $120. Cheap!
You
just hook it into the ECU at the knocksensor connections, yes it uses
the
factory knock sensor.
Steve
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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:30:57
+0000
From: "Aaron Kealey" <
aaron_kealey@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Release I say!
Hey guys, just a quick question.
How the heck
do you get the auxiliary power jack (cigartte lighter outlet
under radio)
off of the panel its mounted to? I am trying to mount a manual
boost
controller there so just the knob is visible, but the more i twist and
prod
the more nervous i get that i'm going to ruin it. I have the panel on
my
kitchen table and still cant figure it out. Anyone ever remove this for
any
reason?
Keep 'em spooled,
Aaron
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:39:22
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
Is the circuitry on the DSM cars additional filtering or
just an A/D
converter --- Roger referred to it also. Do the DSM books
describe
their knock sensor in the same manner.
I'm just trying to
get somebody to spend some time on it --- you need
a meter or preferably a 12
volt oscilloscope. If I had a good meter I'd
play around a little and see
what I could find. On my car it would be
easier since I have the data logger
to compare any reading to.
On the other hand if the unit Steve has does
the same job for $125 then
it's not worth the effort to design another
one.
Jim
Berry
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Message -----
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
|
Seriously, I HOPE that it is that sensitive and as simple as you are
|
describing it - but there IS filtering circuitry in the ECU, same as there
|
is on the DSM cars. I wonder if it would be there if the knock sensor
was
| so finely tuned.
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:48:16
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
> With one major exception ---- according to
the description it's designed
> to provide an output only at the natural
resonate frequency of the block.
> You ring the block you get an output
--- I'm sure the output isn't that
> clean but it's a start.
No
that's just sales bullshit, that diagram just shows the
frequency
response of the sensor, not a typical output. The frequency
response of any
"cheap "microphone looks the same. typically 300 Hz to 3.5
KHz. Knock
frequency sits right in there.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:01:45
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
Looks like Performance Developments sells it for
$120. Cheap!
They're making HEAPS of profit on that, ( they're made
over here where I
live) like 500% taking into account exchange rate, but not
tax or freight.
I've had it in nearly a year, I can tell from the output
if I've put cheap
fuel in and left the boost a bit high. At one stage I was
getting false
readings going downhill with the throttle closed. that was
after I'd changed
the plugs. One of them was loose(woops). OK after
that.
Steve
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:56:45
-0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <
dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: knock sensor
I'm assuming these will still not work with 94-95
models (OBD-II hybrid)
though, correct?
Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net>
-----Original Message-----
> From: fastmax [SMTP:fastmax@cox.net]
>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:07 PM
> To: Steve Cooper;
team3S@team3s.com> Subject: Re:
Team3S: knock sensor
>
> That would be a engine saver if it works
well --- how about some info.
> How long have you had it, what is the cost
and how do you know it works.
> Have you been able to hook it up to a 1st
gen car and compare it to a
> TMO log ???
>
> Anybody else
out there with this unit ?????????
>
> Jim Berry
>
======================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
>
> | > I do care! I think the interest in knock reading is very high
but only
> in
> | > the 94+ crowd. However, if a read-time knock
display unit could be
> | > developed, like the MSD Knock Alert but
better, then pretty much
> everyone
> | > would be
interested.
> |
> | There's already somthing on the market, it
works well. I have one in my
> car,
> | very cheap too.
> |
> |
http://www.link-electro.co.nz/knocklink.html>
|
> | Steve
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:55:54
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
The info is in a tech manual not a sales brochure, why would
you try to
fool your tech staff.
The frequency response of a cheap
microphone, or any microphone has
a Gaussian distrubition unless it's
filtered. I'm just passing on what the
book says, I don't make this shit up.
You may be right, it might be just
another microphone but I think
not.
Even the outfit you bought your filter from referes to voltage
spikes when
detonation occurs --- it sounds like all they do is look at
voltage levels and
light a led to tell you it's peaked.
Have you had
any chance to compare your device to a data logger
???
Jim
Berry
==============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
|
No that's just sales bullshit, that diagram just shows the frequency
|
response of the sensor, not a typical output. The frequency response of any
|
"cheap "microphone looks the same. typically 300 Hz to 3.5 KHz. Knock
|
frequency sits right in there.
|
| Steve
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:03:54
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
> That would be a engine saver if it works
well --- how about some info.
> How long have you had it, what is the cost
and how do you know it works.
> Have you been able to hook it up to a 1st
gen car and compare it to a
> TMO log ???
That would be the ideal
way, compare to a TMO datalog, unfortunately I dont
have one
(yet).
Steve
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:59:11
-0600
From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject:
Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
I like the idea of testing it on a
first gen and then comparing with a TMO.
Anybody with a first gen and a TMO
planning on buying one of these, and
would you be willing to share your
results?
If not, then here's two other ideas:
1) A bunch of people
interested kick in a buck or two and buy one for
someone with a first gen and
a TMO who is willing to test it out.
2) I buy one, send it to someone with a
first gen and a TMO who is willing
to try it out and then send it back to me
when they are done.
Any takers? Other
ideas?
Christopher
(94 TT)
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:02:33
-0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
I'm in.
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Christopher Deutsch
[mailto:crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:59
PM
To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
I like the idea of testing it on a
first gen and then comparing with a TMO.
Anybody with a first gen and a TMO
planning on buying one of these, and
would you be willing to share your
results?
If not, then here's two other ideas:
1) A bunch of people
interested kick in a buck or two and buy one for
someone with a first gen and
a TMO who is willing to test it out.
2) I buy one, send it to someone with a
first gen and a TMO who is willing
to try it out and then send it back to me
when they are done.
Any takers? Other
ideas?
Christopher
(94 TT)
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:11:15
-0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Release I say!
There's a brass colored flange on the back of the socket
that butts up
against the panel itself. You have to unscrew it. I
can get you a picture
of it disassembled if you need it.
Jeff
V.
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com- -----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Aaron Kealey
Sent: Tuesday,
February 05, 2002 6:31 PM
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Release I say!
Hey guys, just a quick question.
How the heck
do you get the auxiliary power jack (cigartte lighter outlet
under radio) off
of the panel its mounted to? I am trying to mount a manual
boost controller
there so just the knob is visible, but the more i twist and
prod the more
nervous i get that i'm going to ruin it. I have the panel on
my kitchen table
and still cant figure it out. Anyone ever remove this for
any
reason?
Keep 'em spooled,
Aaron
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:21:09
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
- --- fastmax <
fastmax@cox.net> wrote:
> Is the
circuitry on the DSM cars additional filtering or just an
> A/D converter
--- Roger referred to it also. Do the DSM books
> describe their knock
sensor in the same manner.
The Laser TIM says this regarding the
detonation sensor signal:
"... the engine control unit passes this through a
frequency filter
..."
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:58:45
+0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
Interstingly I was told about a year ago from
Link in Australia that it
works with their own knock sensor and gives false
readings with our sensor.
It therefore is the same design like the MSD but
cheaper. As Steve has it in
the car we can prove the proper functionality if
one has this unit and a
datalogger together to verify the proper readout. If
it does, then the Link
information was wrong I got.
Who is the guinea
pig ?? (ahem, my car waits for better times ... a battery
... and and
and)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch> > There's already
somthing on the market, it works well. I have
> > one in my car, very
cheap too.
>
> >
http://www.link-electro.co.nz/knocklink.html>
>
Interesting... I hadn't seen that before. Do you have it hooked up
to
the
> stock knock sensor line, or did you add another knock sensor
somewhere on
> the block? Looks like Performance Developments sells
it for $120. Cheap!
>
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:40:27
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Fw:
Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
If I had any money in my bank
account after buying all these performance
parts I'd buy one and try
it --- my credit card is too hot too handle right now.
I'm in
the Southern California area If someone wants to buy one and test
it
let me know. We can put it on my car or I'll lend you my
datalogger.
Jim
Berry
===================================================
| -----
Original Message -----
| From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
|
To: <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
|
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:59 PM
| Subject: Team3S:KnockLink
(WAS:knock sensor)
|
|
| | I like the idea of testing it on a first
gen and then comparing with a TMO.
| | Anybody with a first gen and a TMO
planning on buying one of these, and
| | would you be willing to share your
results?
| |
| | If not, then here's two other ideas:
| | 1) A bunch
of people interested kick in a buck or two and buy one for
| | someone with a
first gen and a TMO who is willing to test it out.
| | 2) I buy one, send it
to someone with a first gen and a TMO who is willing
| | to try it out and
then send it back to me when they are done.
| |
| | Any takers?
Other ideas?
| |
| | Christopher
| | (94 TT)
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:46:52
-0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
Your is only hot ?!?
I've melted
two.
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax
[mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:40 PM
To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Fw: Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
If I had any money in my
bank account after buying all these performance
parts I'd buy one and
try it --- my credit card is too hot too handle
right
now.
I'm in the Southern California area If someone
wants to buy one and test
it let me know. We can put it on my car or
I'll lend you my
datalogger.
Jim
Berry
===================================================
| -----
Original Message -----
| From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
|
To: <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
|
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:59 PM
| Subject: Team3S:KnockLink
(WAS:knock sensor)
|
|
| | I like the idea of testing it on a first
gen and then comparing with a
TMO.
| | Anybody with a first gen and a TMO
planning on buying one of these, and
| | would you be willing to share your
results?
| |
| | If not, then here's two other ideas:
| | 1) A bunch
of people interested kick in a buck or two and buy one for
| | someone with a
first gen and a TMO who is willing to test it out.
| | 2) I buy one, send it
to someone with a first gen and a TMO who is
willing
| | to try it out and
then send it back to me when they are done.
| |
| | Any takers?
Other ideas?
| |
| | Christopher
| | (94 TT)
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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:55:31
-0500
From: Jerry Bowling <
scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
Hey jim,, where are you in CA?? I
will be bak there soon and wnat to compare
machines if you are in the
southern part?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
To: <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:40 PM
Subject: Fw: Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock
sensor)
> If I had any money in my bank account after buying all
these performance
> parts I'd buy one and try it --- my credit card
is too hot too handle
right now.
>
> I'm in the Southern
California area If someone wants to buy one and test
> it let me
know. We can put it on my car or I'll lend you my
datalogger.
>
>
Jim Berry
>
===================================================
> | ----- Original
Message -----
> | From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
>
| To: <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
| Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:59 PM
> | Subject: Team3S:KnockLink
(WAS:knock sensor)
> |
> |
> | | I like the idea of testing it
on a first gen and then comparing with a
TMO.
> | | Anybody with a
first gen and a TMO planning on buying one of these,
and
> | | would
you be willing to share your results?
> | |
> | | If not, then
here's two other ideas:
> | | 1) A bunch of people interested kick in a
buck or two and buy one for
> | | someone with a first gen and a TMO who
is willing to test it out.
> | | 2) I buy one, send it to someone with a
first gen and a TMO who is
willing
> | | to try it out and then send it
back to me when they are done.
> | |
> | | Any takers? Other
ideas?
> | |
> | | Christopher
> | | (94 TT)
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:04:08
-0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <
erikpetterson@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
Has anyone else on
the list had bad or good experiences with M&S ? I was
considering
ordering a complete drivers side door for my 91 Stealth, and
wanted to know
if they have a good or bad history with other 3/S buyers.
-
-Erik
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "tri" <
thn@dexray.com>
To: "Riyan Mynuddin"
<
riyan@hotpop.com>; "Dave
Monarchi"
<
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Cc:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for
1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
> i'm not sure about your experience with
M&S, but be careful of what they
> sell you. i ordered a wheel from
them and asked specifically if it was
> warped or bent in any way. they
assured me that they would never send me
> something in bad condition. i
can understand scratches, but when i got it
> the lip was bent in several
places and the center cap was beyond repair.
i'm
> not sure if i'd ever
buy from them again.it's costing me 165 just to get
the
> wheel back to
factory condition. all in all, i wish i had given the extra
45
> bucks
to mitsu and had a new wheel.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
"Dave Monarchi" <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>
To: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
> Cc: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a
sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
>
> > +> I've got a 1993
Dodge Stealth R/T TT and need the sunroof. It is
> detachable
> >
+> and the removal instruction come in the manual. I will not
hesitate
to
> fax
> > +> or e-mail the removal instructions
as necessary. If anyone is parting
> out
> > +> their car or
has a hookup to get me one of these, I'd be very glad.
> Mine was
>
> +> stolen by the shipping company and after the attorney fee, it's
not
> even
> > +> worth pursuing. Please contact me at (408)
738-4705 (leave a message)
> or
> > +> email me at
riyan@hotpop.com.
> >
> > I
was going to send this privately, but it since I haven't asked anyone
>
> in a while, I figured I'd try the list one more time..
> >
>
> Riyan,
> >
> > I assume all you're looking for is the
glass. Unfortunately, I don't
have
> > the part for you, but I
need a different part that may help your search.
> > I need the
regulator mechanism that raises the roof, but most salvage
> > yards
won't sell it separtely. Perhaps we can buy a complete unit
> >
and split up the cost somehow. I know that M&S Recycling
typically
> > has several available.
http://www.msrecycling.com/>
>
> > Can any of you help both of us out at a better price than
M&S?
> >
> > Dave
> >
=======================
> > = 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
> > = 87
Mica Red GTI G60 =
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html>
> = There is no spoon.. =
> >
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:20:46
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
Incorrect I assume --- the device Steve refers to uses the
stock knock
sensor and has some kind of led readout. All of the turbo
cars [ not sure
about non-turbo ] have a knock sensor, it's just that the
OBDII version is
not accessible by the data logger. The device Steve has
connects to the
stock knock sensor and provides a visual indication of
knock.
Jim
berry
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- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <
dblai@allstate.com>
| I'm
assuming these will still not work with 94-95 models (OBD-II hybrid)
|
though, correct?
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:29:16
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
Team3S: DSM tranny on a 3/S
Well, after staring at my Getrag for a little
while in the garage I've come
to the following conclusion:
A DSM
tranny will NOT bolt right up to any VR4 or Twin Turbo Stealth.
Whoever said
that had to be smoking some seriously wicked stuff.
Here's a short list
of problems that'll be encountered:
1) The starter location on the DSM
tranny is up above and behind the 4G63
block. There's room for it there
on the 4G63 because it is an inline-4.
Since we have a V6, there's sort of a
cylinder head in the way there. Even
if the starter location on the DSM
tranny was back far enough that it
cleared the head, it would then hit the
rear motor mount bracket within an
inch of the tranny flange.
2) The
DSM tranny won't have the notched-out section on top of the tranny
for the
water pump crossover pipe on the 6G72 motor. That would be a
really*
difficult one to work around.
3) Just from eyeing it, and recalling the
DSM tranny from memory, I don't
think the DSM tranny has the mounting bolts
and alignment pins in the same
locations that the Getrag does.
4) You
can't relocate the starter to the 6G72 location because the
clutch
pivot/lever/slave/throwout assembly is in that location.
The
only way I could see this even remotely working would be to somehow mate
a
Getrag bellhousing onto one of the 4G63 trannies - but I'm sure that
would
open up a whole 'nother set of problems (shaft placements, bearing
race
compatability, clearances, etc.)
Essentially - until someone
shows me a picture of a DSM AWD tranny (or even
a FWD) tranny being bolted
onto a 6G72 and the car driving around I won't
believe it.
So, Tom
Terflinger, since you brought up the whole idea because your local
shop
(Passen Motorsports) said they could do it - please make them
produce
proof. Photos will be acceptable. :-) Once it is
installed, I'll even fly
to their shop and inspect it myself.
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:55:50
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
Sorry , Link aren't in Australia, They're in New
Zealand, huge international
rivalareis, like calling a Canadian an
American(sorry Off topic). However
their literature that I've read says it
hooks into the factory sensor.
Steve
> Interstingly I was told
about a year ago from Link in Australia that it
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Date: 6 Feb 2002 10:27:12
-0000
From:
hh@jetaime.asSubject:
Team3S: Airbag
Hejsan
My Airbag is very strange.
It only work
sometimes.
The lamp "shine" all the time every second day.
Every other
second day its ok and stop "shining" after 7
seconds.
Why?
Hans
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:29:30
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
- ----- Original Message ----- >
> Anybody else
out there with this unit ?????????
>
> Jim Berry
>
======================================
I have knocklink installed in my
car. I cut the wires from the stock sensor and connected them directly to the
knocklink.
(I installed it in a sheat of carbon fiber istead of the original
plastic box, it sure looks nice now.)
I haven't evaluated how good it
works yet but it do flashes those LED's sometimes but it also flashes when I run
the car on non tarmac roads or hits a pot hole. I don't like knocksensors since
I think they are to "stupid" to be trusted.
The best way to detect knock
during tuning is still the trick with the pipe, the garden hose and the
earmuffs. Can't be any better than that, everything else is just not good
enough. (IMHO)
/Mikael
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:49:54
-0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L CIV" <
VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
I can make a contribution,
Although I'm in the second generation.
Victor
'96 Pearl White
VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Floyd, Jim
[mailto:Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:03
AM
To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
I'm in.
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Christopher Deutsch
[mailto:crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:59
PM
To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
I like the idea of testing it on a
first gen and then comparing with a TMO.
Anybody with a first gen and a TMO
planning on buying one of these, and
would you be willing to share your
results?
If not, then here's two other ideas:
1) A bunch of people
interested kick in a buck or two and buy one for
someone with a first gen and
a TMO who is willing to test it out.
2) I buy one, send it to someone with a
first gen and a TMO who is willing
to try it out and then send it back to me
when they are done.
Any takers? Other
ideas?
Christopher
(94 TT)
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:00:29
-0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L CIV" <
VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
I have use them
before with no major problems. Just one time they sent me
the wrong part, but
they fixed right away with no problem.
You can also try try
Arkansas
All Mitsu
http://asap.partslocator.com/They
have good prices too.
Good luck
Victor
'96 VR-4
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Petterson
[mailto:erikpetterson@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:04
AM
To: Stealth List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for 1993 Dodge
Stealth R/T
Has anyone else on the list had bad or good experiences with
M&S ? I was
considering ordering a complete drivers side door for
my 91 Stealth, and
wanted to know if they have a good or bad history with
other 3/S buyers.
- -Erik
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
"tri" <
thn@dexray.com>
To: "Riyan
Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>; "Dave
Monarchi"
<
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Cc:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for
1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
> i'm not sure about your experience with
M&S, but be careful of what they
> sell you. i ordered a wheel from
them and asked specifically if it was
> warped or bent in any way. they
assured me that they would never send me
> something in bad condition. i
can understand scratches, but when i got it
> the lip was bent in several
places and the center cap was beyond repair.
i'm
> not sure if i'd ever
buy from them again.it's costing me 165 just to get
the
> wheel back to
factory condition. all in all, i wish i had given the extra
45
> bucks
to mitsu and had a new wheel.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
"Dave Monarchi" <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>
To: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
> Cc: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a
sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
>
> >
> > +> I've
got a 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T TT and need the sunroof. It is
>
detachable
> > +> and the removal instruction come in the manual. I
will not hesitate
to
> fax
> > +> or e-mail the removal
instructions as necessary. If anyone is parting
> out
> > +>
their car or has a hookup to get me one of these, I'd be very glad.
> Mine
was
> > +> stolen by the shipping company and after the attorney
fee, it's not
> even
> > +> worth pursuing. Please contact me
at (408) 738-4705 (leave a message)
> or
> > +> email me at
riyan@hotpop.com.
> >
> > I
was going to send this privately, but it since I haven't asked anyone
>
> in a while, I figured I'd try the list one more time..
> >
>
> Riyan,
> >
> > I assume all you're looking for is the
glass. Unfortunately, I don't
have
> > the part for you, but I
need a different part that may help your search.
> > I need the
regulator mechanism that raises the roof, but most salvage
> > yards
won't sell it separtely. Perhaps we can buy a complete unit
> >
and split up the cost somehow. I know that M&S Recycling
typically
> > has several available.
http://www.msrecycling.com/>
>
> >
> > Can any of you help both of us out at a better
price than M&S?
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
=======================
> > = 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
> > = 87
Mica Red GTI G60 =
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html>
> = There is no spoon.. =
> >
=======================
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Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:04:54
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
>I haven't evaluated how good it works yet
but it do flashes those LED's
>sometimes but it also flashes when I run
the car on non tarmac roads or
>hits a pot hole. I don't like
knocksensors since I think they are to
>"stupid" to be
trusted.
This is the problem of false knock. You see just too much of
these so you
begin not to trust them anymore. Same to the MSD i have as it
flickers a
lot in the first minute but the TMO shows zero knock. This is due
to the
"louder" cold startup I have in my car. The ECU with its filter does
the
necessary filtering but it needs speed and sync with the ignition
timing.
>The best way to detect knock during tuning is still the trick
with the
>pipe, the garden hose and the earmuffs. Can't be any better
than that,
>everything else is just not good enough. (IMHO)
Well,
the datalogger does its job damn well, especially when the exhaust is
LOUD
;-)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:15:09
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
> Well,
the datalogger does its job damn well, especially when the exhaust is
>
LOUD ;-)
>
The datalogger is offcourse very good but does the
datalogger signal during the run or does it just save logs?
The laud
exhaust is not a problem. The sound in the earmuffs is very clear, you won't
believe how obvious it is when knock begins.
Try
it!
/Mikael
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:23:17
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S:
Datalogger - Ignition
I have studied some logs (Thanks Roger) from the
TMO datalogger and I wonder if it's anything wrong with the way it logs
ignintion timing.
Compared to what I have found out during mapping my
Autronic (and Haltech) the ignition timing that TMO logs on a stock ECU seams to
be very high. Is the timing really that high or does the TMO log it
wrong?
/Mikael Kenson
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Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:25:24
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
Heja Mikael :)
>The datalogger is
offcourse very good but does the datalogger signal
>during the run or
does it just save logs?
It's realtime but not easy to read the notebooks
display when driving. It
is THE tool on the dyno as the operator "drove" the
car and I sat outside
with the notebook and was able to see what is going
on. The logger was also
in record modus so the run could be inspected later.
It is possible to have
it reduced to only few rpm and knock or add many
other values so for
testing you see what you need. The pocketlogger does the
same although it's
pretty small on the display.
>The laud exhaust
is not a problem. The sound in the earmuffs is very
>clear, you won't
believe how obvious it is when knock begins.
Yes, I know for sure and it
doesn't sound that nice. But I don't like to
look like a monkey when doing
my testdrives LOL.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:35:48
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Datalogger - Ignition
>I have studied some logs (Thanks
Roger) from the TMO datalogger and I
>wonder if it's anything wrong with
the way it logs ignintion timing.
Yes, you are absolutely right ! The TMO
thing is made for the DSM and
therefore interprets the ignition timing for
the four-bangers.
>Compared to what I have found out during mapping my
Autronic (and Haltech)
>the ignition timing that TMO logs on a stock ECU
seams to be very high. Is
>the timing really that high or does the TMO
log it wrong?
The logger doesn't log wrong but it calculates the values
wrong ! If I
could have the possibility to record the real timing and then
compare the
TMO data I'd be able to convert but there is nothing :-( There
are other
values that are wrong too.
BTW, the Pocketlogger does the
same so it's the prove that it's a PALM copy
of the PC
thing.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:37:05
-0500
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
Mikael,
How do you do this trick with the
garden hose and the earmuffs, I want to
try it? Do you have to stick that
garden hose in your ear and put earmuffs
on later? ;-) Could you please
explain. Thanks.
Philip
-
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Mikael
Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se> wrote:
The
best way to detect knock during tuning is still the trick with the
pipe, the
garden hose and the earmuffs. Can't be any better than that,
everything else
is just not good enough. (IMHO)
-
------------------------------------------------------------------
The laud
exhaust is not a problem. The sound in the earmuffs is very clear,
you won't
believe how obvious it is when knock begins.
Try it!
***
Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:52:10
-0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L CIV" <
VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: knock sensor
Interesting tool!
Is there any way to use
some electronic mechanisn to capture/amplify the
knock sound from the hose
and hear it through speakers or an alarm, instead
of the
earmuffs?
??
Victor
'96 VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
[mailto:pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:37
PM
To: Mikael Kenson;
team3S@team3s.comSubject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
Mikael,
How do you do this trick with the garden
hose and the earmuffs, I want to
try it? Do you have to stick that garden
hose in your ear and put earmuffs
on later? ;-) Could you please explain.
Thanks.
Philip
-
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Mikael
Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se> wrote:
The
best way to detect knock during tuning is still the trick with the
pipe, the
garden hose and the earmuffs. Can't be any better than that,
everything else
is just not good enough. (IMHO)
-
------------------------------------------------------------------
The laud
exhaust is not a problem. The sound in the earmuffs is very clear,
you won't
believe how obvious it is when knock begins.
Try it!
***
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:22:05
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 15g Fitment
I measured the opening in the middle of my 13G
wheels (left over from
the TEC conversion of Mitsu Sport Turbo to 15G) and it
is a nominal
0.195 inch (used an analog micrometer). The shaft could be
larger (I
am guessing the wheel is press fit to the shaft).
Jeff
Lucius,
http://www.stealth316.com/- -----
Original Message -----
From: "Wayne" <
whietala@prodigy.net>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, February 04, 2002 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: 15g Fitment
So
nobody knows what the shaft diameter is on a 15g, or 13g
wheel???
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:25:06
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com>
>
How do you do this trick with the garden hose and the earmuffs, I want
to
> try it? Do you have to stick that garden hose in your ear and put
earmuffs
> on later? ;-) Could you please explain. Thanks.
>
> Philip
:)
Take a ~20 cm long ~12mm thick copper pipe.
Make it flat in one end with help of a hammer. Drill a hole thru the flat
end (6-8 mm). Mount the pipe tightly on a stud somewhere around the intake
between the cylinder banks (close to the stock knock sensor). Connect the garden
hose to the round side of the pipe. Try to route the hose in to the car without
bending/colapse the hose. (Propably thru the open side window.) Buy a set of
cheap earmuffs (is that the right word?) Drill a hole in one "cup" that is equal
in size to the garden hose. Put in the hose in the hole. (sounds kind of
kinky...) Seal with silicone or equal.
That's it! Now take the car for a
drive. You will hear sounds all the time but when knock begins you will hear
somehing that sounds like a "Gatling gun".
And as Roger said, you will
look really stupid with a hose connected to your head :)
Good
luck!
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Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:34:27
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
>hose. (Propably thru the open side window.)
Buy a set of cheap earmuffs
>(is that the right word?)
Mikael
means the old closed heavy headphones
>And as Roger said, you will
look really stupid with a hose connected to
>your head :)
I did
!!!
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:46:16
-0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Need a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
Both of my buys have
been good experiences.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik
Petterson [mailto:erikpetterson@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002
6:04 PM
To: Stealth List
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for 1993
Dodge Stealth R/T
Has anyone else on the list had bad or good
experiences with M&S ? I was
considering ordering a complete
drivers side door for my 91 Stealth, and
wanted to know if they have a good
or bad history with other 3/S buyers.
- -Erik
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "tri" <
thn@dexray.com>
To: "Riyan Mynuddin"
<
riyan@hotpop.com>; "Dave
Monarchi"
<
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Cc:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for
1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
> i'm not sure about your experience with
M&S, but be careful of what they
> sell you. i ordered a wheel from
them and asked specifically if it was
> warped or bent in any way. they
assured me that they would never send me
> something in bad condition. i
can understand scratches, but when i got it
> the lip was bent in several
places and the center cap was beyond repair.
i'm
> not sure if i'd ever
buy from them again.it's costing me 165 just to get
the
> wheel back to
factory condition. all in all, i wish i had given the extra
45
> bucks
to mitsu and had a new wheel.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
"Dave Monarchi" <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>
To: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
> Cc: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a
sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
>
> >
> > +> I've
got a 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T TT and need the sunroof. It is
>
detachable
> > +> and the removal instruction come in the manual. I
will not hesitate
to
> fax
> > +> or e-mail the removal
instructions as necessary. If anyone is parting
> out
> > +>
their car or has a hookup to get me one of these, I'd be very glad.
> Mine
was
> > +> stolen by the shipping company and after the attorney
fee, it's not
> even
> > +> worth pursuing. Please contact me
at (408) 738-4705 (leave a message)
> or
> > +> email me at
riyan@hotpop.com.
> >
> > I
was going to send this privately, but it since I haven't asked anyone
>
> in a while, I figured I'd try the list one more time..
> >
>
> Riyan,
> >
> > I assume all you're looking for is the
glass. Unfortunately, I don't
have
> > the part for you, but I
need a different part that may help your search.
> > I need the
regulator mechanism that raises the roof, but most salvage
> > yards
won't sell it separtely. Perhaps we can buy a complete unit
> >
and split up the cost somehow. I know that M&S Recycling
typically
> > has several available.
http://www.msrecycling.com/>
>
> >
> > Can any of you help both of us out at a better
price than M&S?
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
=======================
> > = 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
> > = 87
Mica Red GTI G60 =
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html>
> = There is no spoon.. =
> >
=======================
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:17:09
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Need a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
I got a block from them --- as
advertised and on time.
Jim
Berry
=================================
| -----Original Message-----
|
From: Erik Petterson [mailto:erikpetterson@yahoo.com]
| Sent: Wednesday,
February 06, 2002 1:04 AM
| To: Stealth List
| Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a
sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
|
| Has anyone else on the list had
bad or good experiences with M&S ? I was
| considering ordering a
complete drivers side door for my 91 Stealth, and
| wanted to know if they
have a good or bad history with other 3/S buyers.
|
|
-Erik
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:20:09
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
| This
is the problem of false knock. You see just too much of these so you
| begin
not to trust them anymore. Same to the MSD i have as it flickers a
| lot in
the first minute but the TMO shows zero knock. This is due to the
| "louder"
cold startup I have in my car. The ECU with its filter does the
| necessary
filtering but it needs speed and sync with the ignition ti
Does the
MSD unit use the stock sensor or does it use it's
own.
Jim
Berry
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:27:30
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
LOL --- hell in California it's illegal to use headphones,
if a cop caught me
with earmuffs and a hose stuck in my ears he probably lock
me up.
If it works that well why not just use a microphone with an amp
and a
set of headphones.
Jim Berry
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
| From: "Roger Gerl"
<
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
|
> Well, the datalogger does its job damn well, especially when the exhaust
is
| > LOUD ;-)
|
| The datalogger is offcourse very good but does
the datalogger signal during the run or does it just save logs?
|
| The
laud exhaust is not a problem. The sound in the earmuffs is very clear, you
won't believe how obvious it is when knock begins.
|
| Try
it!
*** Info:
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***
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:36:45
-0500
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: knock sensor
Ha-ha-ha! I think I know what you guys are
talking about. I am glad I won't
have to drive my car wearing those pink
furry ear warmers! LOL!
The best way to detect knock is to monitor
in-cylinder pressure spikes with
expensive miniature pressure transducers,
but this garden hose method seems
to be the second best. All knock sensors
are just microphones that are
trying to look for that same sound. Is that
"Gatling gun" so distinctive
that I won't mistake it for something else?
Maybe we should then be using a
garden hose to calibrate ECU's!
BTW,
which garden hose works best, rubber or armored PVC. And does the pipe
have
to be a copper pipe, or steel would do just as well? Thanks a
lot!
Philip
-
---------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Gerl
<
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch
wrote:
>hose. (Propably thru the open side window.) Buy a set of cheap
earmuffs
>(is that the right word?)
Mikael means the old closed
heavy headphones
>And as Roger said, you will look really stupid with
a hose connected to
>your head :)
I did
!!!
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch*** Info:
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***
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:51:01
-0500
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
RE: Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
This KnockLink is not that
different from the MSD Knock Alert. The main
difference is that it uses the
stock sensor. But still, there is no
compensation for engine RPM. Does is
even have a sensitivity adjustment?
Does is beep?
I think I could
connect my MSD unit to the stock sensor with a similar
success. I might try
this later this month when I will have another car to
drive to work in case I
blow up something in the engine.
Philip
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:50:30
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
knock sensor
All you doing is making a stethoscope like doctors use, you
probable
don't even need anything as big as a garden hose. Maybe I'll modify
one
of my wife's stethoscopes and see if that works.
Mechanics
also use an amplified micrphone/headset to locate sounds
while they're
driving.
Jim
Berry
==============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: <
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com>
To:
<
team3s@team3s.com>
Sent:
Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: knock
sensor
| Ha-ha-ha! I think I know what you guys are talking about. I am
glad I won't
| have to drive my car wearing those pink furry ear warmers!
LOL!
|
| The best way to detect knock is to monitor in-cylinder pressure
spikes with
| expensive miniature pressure transducers, but this garden hose
method seems
| to be the second best. All knock sensors are just microphones
that are
| trying to look for that same sound. Is that "Gatling gun" so
distinctive
| that I won't mistake it for something else? Maybe we should
then be using a
| garden hose to calibrate ECU's!
|
| BTW, which
garden hose works best, rubber or armored PVC. And does the pipe
| have to be
a copper pipe, or steel would do just as well? Thanks a lot!
|
|
Philip
|
|
---------------------------------------------------------------
| Roger Gerl
<
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch wrote:
|
>hose. (Propably thru the open side window.) Buy a set of cheap earmuffs
|
>(is that the right word?)
|
| Mikael means the old closed heavy
headphones
|
| >And as Roger said, you will look really stupid with a
hose connected to
| >your head :)
|
| I did !!!
|
|
Roger
| 93'3000GT TT
|
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:56:04
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Datalogger - Ignition
As Roger mentions, the timing values
reported by the TMO or
PocketLOGGER are not absolute numbers. They are, I
believe,
"relative" values but still very useful.
I have compared
warm idle TMO numbers with my timing light:
TMO = ~28º BTDC
light = ~10º
BTDC
Basic timing was set at ~5º BTDC.
I have also ran my car with 60º
advance instead of the standard 5º
advance. That is not a misprint
(verified/discovered with a dial-back
timing light). The engine builder
installed the CAS on my '92 TT
engine incorrectly. Strangely, the TMO showed
~28º advance for both
cases. This is, according to DSM owners, because the
ECM does not
"know" what basic timing is and so just reports what it adds
in.
Still, I find it hard to believe that the engine would even run
with
60º basic plus 28º advance! I still feel the ECM can adjust
timing
independent of the basic setting.
I don't think it is as simple
as just dividing the
datalogger-reported values by some number to get real
timing. And in
a sense, it doesn't make any difference anyway as long as we
are
using the factory ECM because we can't change the timing
advance
(except through manipulation of the air-flow
signal).
TMO/PocketLOGGER compatibility with 3S cars:
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius/2-tmo2.htmCorrections
or additions to this info are welcome.
Jeff Lucius,
http://www.stealth316.com/- -----
Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Datalogger -
Ignition
>I have studied some logs (Thanks Roger) from the TMO
datalogger and
I
>wonder if it's anything wrong with the way it logs
ignintion timing.
Yes, you are absolutely right ! The TMO thing is made
for the DSM and
therefore interprets the ignition timing for the
four-bangers.
>Compared to what I have found out during mapping my
Autronic (and
Haltech)
>the ignition timing that TMO logs on a stock
ECU seams to be very
high. Is
>the timing really that high or does the
TMO log it wrong?
The logger doesn't log wrong but it calculates the
values wrong ! If
I could have the possibility to record the real timing and
then
compare the TMO data I'd be able to convert but there is nothing
:-(
There are other values that are wrong too.
BTW, the Pocketlogger
does the same so it's the prove that it's a
PALM copy of the PC
thing.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:18:20
-0600
From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
This page says it does have
sensitivity adjustment. Steve? Mikael? Can
either of you
confirm?
http://www.scoobymania.co.uk/site_nonflash.asp?page=possumlinkI
think you have to look at the device more like a radar detector.
My
Valentine One beeps constantly, and at first I had no idea how to tell if
it
was a cop or another automatic sliding door. Now that I've learned
what to
look for when using it, it's much easier to filter out cops from the
other
noise.(LEGAL NOTE: Christopher does not endorse speeding. All
driving is
actually performed by a trained monkey.) Would you guys with
Knock Sensors
agree? Or does the KnockLink's biggest/brightest LED go
off too frequently?
I think with a device like this, YOU have to be the
filter. Or am I way off
again?
Christopher
>
-----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:51 AM
> To:
team3s@team3s.com> Subject: RE:
Team3S:KnockLink (WAS:knock sensor)
>
>
> This KnockLink is
not that different from the MSD Knock Alert. The main
> difference is that
it uses the stock sensor. But still, there is no
> compensation for engine
RPM. Does is even have a sensitivity adjustment?
> Does is
beep?
>
> Philip
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:22:17
-0600
From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: knock sensor
FYI
While we're on the subject, for those
interested; this device looks really
interesting (follow the ADC212
link):
http://www.picotech.com/auto/waveforms/knock_sensor.htmlIt's
almost $500, but that's one of the cheapest oscilloscopes I've seen.
(besides
the PC sound card hack)
Christopher
> -----Original
Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of fastmax
> Sent:
Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:51 AM
> To:
team3s@team3s.com;
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: knock sensor
>
>
> Mechanics also use an
amplified micrphone/headset to locate sounds
> while they're
driving.
>
> Jim
Berry
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:40:20
-0800
From: "tri" <
thn@dexray.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need
a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
you know when i was looking for the
wheel, i also called those guys down in
AK. i was told that they only ship
small items and that a wheel was too
large/heavy. so if your getting
something small and light or live in the
area or know of someone in the area,
you might have a problem ordering from
them.
they might have changed
since i called them (about a month ago) but i kind
of doubt
it.
tri
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Berrios, Victor L
CIV" <
VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:00 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need a sunroof for
1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
> I have use them before with no major
problems. Just one time they sent me
> the wrong part, but they fixed
right away with no problem.
>
> You can also try try
>
Arkansas All Mitsu
>
http://asap.partslocator.com/>
They have good prices too.
>
> Good luck
>
>
Victor
> '96 VR-4
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Erik Petterson
[mailto:erikpetterson@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:04
AM
> To: Stealth List
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a sunroof for 1993
Dodge Stealth R/T
>
>
> Has anyone else on the list had bad or
good experiences with M&S ? I was
> considering ordering a
complete drivers side door for my 91 Stealth, and
> wanted to know if they
have a good or bad history with other 3/S buyers.
>
>
-Erik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tri" <
thn@dexray.com>
> To: "Riyan Mynuddin"
<
riyan@hotpop.com>; "Dave
Monarchi"
> <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>
Cc: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a
sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
>
>
> > i'm not sure
about your experience with M&S, but be careful of what they
> >
sell you. i ordered a wheel from them and asked specifically if it was
>
> warped or bent in any way. they assured me that they would never send
me
> > something in bad condition. i can understand scratches, but when
i got
it
> > the lip was bent in several places and the center cap
was beyond repair.
> i'm
> > not sure if i'd ever buy from them
again.it's costing me 165 just to get
> the
> > wheel back to
factory condition. all in all, i wish i had given the
extra
>
45
> > bucks to mitsu and had a new wheel.
> > ----- Original
Message -----
> > From: "Dave Monarchi" <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
>
> To: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
> > Cc: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Team3S:
Need a sunroof for 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T
> >
> > >
>
> > +> I've got a 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T TT and need the sunroof. It
is
> > detachable
> > > +> and the removal instruction
come in the manual. I will not hesitate
> to
> > fax
> >
> +> or e-mail the removal instructions as necessary. If anyone
is
parting
> > out
> > > +> their car or has a hookup
to get me one of these, I'd be very glad.
> > Mine was
> >
> +> stolen by the shipping company and after the attorney fee, it's
not
> > even
> > > +> worth pursuing. Please contact me
at (408) 738-4705 (leave a
message)
> > or
> > > +>
email me at
riyan@hotpop.com.
> >
>
> > > I was going to send this privately, but it since I
haven't asked
anyone
> > > in a while, I figured I'd try the list
one more time..
> > >
> > > Riyan,
> >
>
> > > I assume all you're looking for is the glass.
Unfortunately, I don't
> have
> > > the part for you, but I
need a different part that may help your
search.
> > > I need the
regulator mechanism that raises the roof, but most salvage
> > >
yards won't sell it separtely. Perhaps we can buy a complete unit
>
> > and split up the cost somehow. I know that M&S Recycling
typically
> > > has several available.
http://www.msrecycling.com/> >
>
> > >
> > > Can any of you help both of us out at a
better price than M&S?
> > >
> > >
> > >
Dave
> > > =======================
> > > = 95 Black
3000GT VR4 =
> > > = 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html>
> > = There is no spoon.. =
> > >
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