Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Monday, February 4 2002   Volume 01 : Number 744




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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:18:43 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny

I have a good Satan too.
It's just that Mitubuishi itself sets the rules under which all its
disciples must act. And those rules suck. It is hard for me to believe that
they treat their $48,000 car the way they do, and then expect us to buy
more of their cars.

Of course, when the EVO 6 comes out, I'll probably buy one, but not because
of their wonderful customer relations policies. It's because they certainly
do know how to build neat cars.

Rich/slow old poop/addicted to Mitsu
92 Eagle Talon TSi
94 3000GT VR4

At 06:16 AM 2/3/02 -0800, John Christian wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a GOOD Satin.  All 4 of the warrantee
>replacement Getrags were because of syncro problems.

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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:22:07 +0000
From: apedenko@attbi.com
Subject: Team3S: 94+ Datalogger

Hi all,

  I am developing a datalogger for 94+ 3/s. I am going
to start with the 95 hybrid (as that's the car I have
and that makes it easier to test) and move on to the
rest once that's complete and I have a framework to
build on. What would be extremely helpfull is (if
you're interested of course) for you guys to send me
functional suggestions. By that I mean what
functionality you want the software to have - be it
graphs, virtual gauges, whatever. Also, later on I will
be selecting a few people to be beta testers. Beta
testers will recieve a free copy of the final release
software. If you are interested in becoming a beta
tester, please let me know.

  To not clutter the list and not p**s of the admins,
please keep questions/comments off list - send them to
me directly (apedenko@attbi.com). I will send out
status updates to those interested.

  Thanks,

    Alex.

'95 VR4

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:28:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Philip V Glazatov <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: 1995 Stealth TT gross weight

Hi everyone,

Yesterday, on my way to Jeff W's working gathering (I will let Jeff or Joe
K cover the gathering), I stopped by a certified CAT scale at exit 20 on
I-275. This is less than a mile from Jeff's house. I weighed my car with
me sitting in it. That was the scale lady's fault, but this it okay
because I weighed myself as well.

The weight of the car with a full tank of gas and me sitting in it
together with all my stuff was 3880 lbs. (2260 fr, 1620 rr). I weigh 178
lbs but with my winter clothing and a stuffed schoolbag I was 210 lbs as I
weighed myself when I got home.

I will do the math for you by substracting my own weight. Here is goes: A
stock 1995 R/T TT with a full tank of gas and no driver/passengers weighs
3670 lbs (2155 fr, 1515 rr).

This confirms that a 1995 Stealth weighs the same as a 1996 Stealth (if
not 1 pound less). There must be errors on both Team3S and Dave Black's
websites that show a 95 R/T TT weight of 3792 lbs, which is much more than
the 96 R/T TT weight and even more than a 95 VR-4, which does not make
sense considering a smaller number of options that it has.

Now I have the accurate numbers to use with my G-Tech and Road Dyno, which
is, BTW, should be coming next week!

Philip
95 Red R/T TT

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:46:35 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative

> And while I have never compared a 4G63 block to a 6G72
> block side by side, I would doubt the trany mounting
> points match up.

With any luck, the current owner of my old spare DSM AWD tranny will be
getting it from his parent's place and bringing it here for me to try
aligning onto my 6G72 block.  If that actually occurs before I drop my block
back into the car, I'll attempt to bolt it on and report what happens.

The mountings seem very similar to what I remember my 4G63 being like, but
I'm not willing to say that a DSM tranny will bolt onto a 6G72 until I see
it with my own eyes (or at least a photo of it being done).

I do agree with what Jack says about the trannies themselves not being weak
- - but I do think the synchros could've been better.  Seems those are what
most often is complained about - using better fluids from day 1 reduces
those problems.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:19:59 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny

I was told factory replacement are all rebuilt by CRS in New Jersey.  I
personally know an employee of the shop, and he told me there is a very
regimented testing set-up where each tranny goes through a thorough check-up
before its released.  He said a tell-tale sign that one came from their shop
is a grey primer paint used after they are rebuilt.

Sam

Original Message-----
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
To: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>; Mike <mike21b@dejazzd.com>; 3sTeam3S
<team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny

>Hi all,
>
>I have a GOOD Satin.  All 4 of the warrantee
>replacement Getrags were because of syncro problems.
>Number four has lasted the longest--38k.  And that 38k
>is only driving to Church on Sunday and back and forth
>to Road Courses.
>
>When initially installed #4 leaked on the driver's
>side.  As I recall it was from a round hole/plug like
>a freeze plug.  Good Satin put some goo on it and its
>been dry ever since.
>
>#4 is the only one that leaked.
>
>I'm sure all of the replacements were not brand new
>trannys.  They were probably remanufactured by Getrag
>or someone.  But they came from Chrysler.
>
>
>Not happy with Getrag, but very satisfied with my
>Satin and so far with #4 tranny.
>
>Still take my TT to my Satin for stuff I can't do or
>don't want to do myself.  BTW I did make a few runs
>against my mechanic's wife before she got a another
>vehicle.  Wanna match your Stealth/VR4 against her?
>See this URL
>
>http://insidefmracing.com/Pages/Laurie%20Cannister.html
>
>Or do an Alta Vista search on Laurie Cannister.
>
>Be of good cheer,
>John  on the 4th Getrag 93k
>
>--- Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net> wrote:
>> @ Libertyville Mits saying
>> >> that he is going to order the REMANUFACTURED
>> transmission and will have it
>> >> in about a week.  My question is:  Is this what
>> the dealerships normally
>> do,
>> >> put in a remanufactured unit?  Should I be asking
>> who remanufactured it or
>> >> not even worry about it?
>> >>
>> That's what I got -- a remanufactured factory trans.
>> It started leaking
>> almost immediately, and Satan wouldn't honor the
>> warranty.
>>
>> Rich/slow old poop/94 VR4 on its 2nd Getrag>
>
>
>=====
>Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
>'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
>12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
>http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:11:37 -0600
From: fred martinez <frekiy@mac.com>
Subject: Team3S: a bad feeling

I come to the list with yet another question.  My '93 base Stealth
has recently started a hard jolt when decelerating.  It happens if I
brake hard or gently and feels like I've jerked the slack out of a
tow chain.  I fear a bit of tranny surgery in the near future however
I hope the 3KS gods will smile on me once again.  My first idea was
to replace the fluid but have as of yet purchased my service manuals
and I don't like my local satan even tough I've not had them work on
my car...just talked on the phone.  Any suggestions of pitfalls or
things to do when I change fluid will be apreciated.
Thanks
Fred

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:11:37 -0600
From: fred martinez <frekiy@mac.com>
Subject: Team3S: a bad feeling

I come to the list with yet another question.  My '93 base Stealth
has recently started a hard jolt when decelerating.  It happens if I
brake hard or gently and feels like I've jerked the slack out of a
tow chain.  I fear a bit of tranny surgery in the near future however
I hope the 3KS gods will smile on me once again.  My first idea was
to replace the fluid but have as of yet purchased my service manuals
and I don't like my local satan even tough I've not had them work on
my car...just talked on the phone.  Any suggestions of pitfalls or
things to do when I change fluid will be apreciated.
Thanks
Fred

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:26:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: a bad feeling

Motor mounts??

On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, fred martinez wrote:

> I come to the list with yet another question.  My '93 base Stealth
> has recently started a hard jolt when decelerating.  It happens if I
> brake hard or gently and feels like I've jerked the slack out of a
> tow chain.  I fear a bit of tranny surgery in the near future however
> I hope the 3KS gods will smile on me once again.  My first idea was
> to replace the fluid but have as of yet purchased my service manuals
> and I don't like my local satan even tough I've not had them work on
> my car...just talked on the phone.  Any suggestions of pitfalls or
> things to do when I change fluid will be apreciated.
> Thanks
> Fred
- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 00:33:13 -0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: a bad feeling

Brake hard or gently .... got a few questions here Fred,

Automatic or 5/6-speed ? If its a 5-speed do you get the jolt when the
clutch is pushed in or in neutral? If its an automatic have you tried first
putting it in neutral before breaking? There are a lot of things it could be
besides the tranny (Drive line component motor mounts as Geoff said (and he
knows a whole lot)), does it do it if you just downshift hard? (assuming its
a stick)

Eric C. 92 VR4 .....

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:26 PM
To: fred martinez
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: a bad feeling

Motor mounts??

On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, fred martinez wrote:

> I come to the list with yet another question.  My '93 base Stealth
> has recently started a hard jolt when decelerating.  It happens if I
> brake hard or gently and feels like I've jerked the slack out of a
> tow chain.  I fear a bit of tranny surgery in the near future however
> I hope the 3KS gods will smile on me once again.  My first idea was
> to replace the fluid but have as of yet purchased my service manuals
> and I don't like my local satan even tough I've not had them work on
> my car...just talked on the phone.  Any suggestions of pitfalls or
> things to do when I change fluid will be apreciated.
> Thanks
> Fred

Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:05:10 -0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Preventative Maintenance on Suspension

Well don't feel disappointed :) .. there really isn't a whole lot of
preventative maintenance for the suspension and steering system other that
watching for corrosion (At least as far as I know).
You need to inspect your CV boots for wear or tears and replace them with a
CV boot kit if you have any. When replacing make sure you clean the joint
well and replace the grease. Check all your ball joint connections for the
steering components, replace the and cracked or leaking boots and regrease
if needed. As I recall the 3Si's don't have and Zerts so you will have to
grease them before installing the new boot. If the ball joint has excessive
wear (you can move it without great effort) then replace it.
Check your upper and lower ball joints supporting the wheels. Lets see for
the shocks and struts, check for fluid leakage or rust ..... I think that's
about all there is ... might be something special that you can do for the
rear steering, such as replacing the hydraulic fluid, has any one done this?
My VR-4 has 140,000 miles on it, looks to be all original and the
suspension is great except for the need for a front end alignment (And the
want of a better set of Shocks/Struts).
I have two Jeeps a grand Cherokee Limited (The wife's) and a Wrangler (hard
core off road) and the Jeeps are the only things I've ever had to do any
suspension related work to. Actually 99% to the wrangler. At 170K miles I
had to replace the CV boots on the Cherokee. The biggest problem I have
found related to the suspension is the environment -water, dirt, abrasion.
Although on the advise of Mr. Berry I hope to be running the TIEN
shock/strut kit by August for the gathering ;) (Actually that was what I was
looking at for a while)

Eric Cheek, 92 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Charles J. Williams
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:35 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: RE: Preventative Maintenance on Suspension

I must say I'm a little disappointed.  Only 1 suggestion as to some work
that I might include in this.  No opinions on whether its needed or what
parts might need checking.

Would I get more responses if I insulted somebody's car?

Charles

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Williams [mailto:cwilliam@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:21 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Preventative Maintenance on Suspension

Good morning from the lurker of the north.  Due to a few small iceburgs
and potholes in the roads I find that I need to get the front end
aligned on my car.  This got me to wondering if I shouldn't do some
preventative maintenance and replace some parts that may be close to
being worn out.  The car has 86,000 miles on it.  No major work, so
far.  All of the suspension are original parts.  I would rather replace
them now than wait for them to fail.  With my luck they always fail
right when I need the car the most.  The parts I'm thinking about are
CV joints, ball joints, bushings, etc.

Do any of you "experts" have an opinion?  (boy, is that a loaded
question on this board.  ~smile~)

Charles Williams
Eagle River, AK
1995 Stealth R/T Jet Black

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:31:13 -0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative

Humm mine is still going 140K miles, new clutch and found that the casing is
cracked from the fill hole down about 3-4 inches. Any one try a TIG or MIG
on the tranny casing with any luck? The dealership seemed to have fixed it
from leaking ... check it often .... I do think I notice a bit of a grind
from 2nd to 3rd if I'm really trying to shift fast but I usually give it a
little time between shifts. As far as launching I read a post some where
when I first got the car about riding the clutch just a little on launch, so
as not to spin the tires or put too much pressure on the tranny..... has
worked well for me and not so well for some other hot rods trying to waste
me off the line ;).... But 99% of the time I pretty much try and baby the
tranny, I just love the shove ya back in the seat acceleration and knowing I
can waste my best friends Porsche and the drop of a hat ;)
I did check with the previous owner and the tranny has been in the car from
at lest 40K or so when he purchased it. Do the transmissions have labels on
them to match the rest of the hardware in the car?

Eric C. 92 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Floyd, Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:39 PM
To: Team3s Tech List
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative

Mines at 90,000 with no problems.
Hard launches, "speed" shifts, etc.
I am running RED Line in it.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:28 PM
To: Jeff VanOrsdal; Team3s Tech List; xwing
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative

>However, I do take issue with this list being for people who race these
>cars.  Let's take a show of hands and see who on this list DOES NOT race.
>Let's see how many people avoid driving hard, much less racing,
specifically
>because of this weak-link transmission.  This is a TECH list.  Not a RACE
>list.

I race my car.

But I DO NOT shift it hard or fast because I am afraid it will break.That
might take a second or so off my lap time (hey! Maybe that's why I'm so
slow!), but I'd rather be a tick slower than shell out $3,000 for another
tranny.

I probably have the only VR4 on the list with a new transmission that has
never been "launched" in a drag strip start. Well, not on pavement anyway.
My best 0-60 (5.5) and 1/4 mile (13.5 @ 105) were done in a misty rain,
where I could spin the tires easily. I would NEVER spin them like that on
dry asphalt for fear of breaking it.

Even though I don't abuse my new Getrag, I bet it still fails at 60,000
miles after installation. Don't they all?

Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4 on its 2nd Getrag>

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:42:27 -0600
From: fred martinez <frekiy@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: a bad feeling

They appear to be intact. the jolt doesn't happen every time i decl,
however it does seem to be becoming more frequent.  I've noticed it
since friday with no real differences in driving or weather.

Geoff Mohler wrote:

>Motor mounts??

>On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, fred martinez wrote:
>
>>  I come to the list with yet another question.  My '93 base Stealth
>  > has recently started a hard jolt when decelerating.  It happens if I

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:55:29 -0500
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?

I posted this on 3si and got varied responses.

If not, then I will immediately turn the boost down.  I know that the 2nd
gen 3/S tt run 12 psi stock, but that is not held to redline.  I have the
AAM 15G's (ported, not clipped).  I also have gutted precats and a full ATR
exhaust (w/ high flow cat, not test-pipe), as well as a boost controller.

10 psi on 360 cc injectors would seem to equal 22-23 psi on 550 cc injectors

What is the Team 3/S opinion on this?  If it seems to be a bit risky, what
amount should be safe?   9 psi ?

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:52:57 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?

10 psi of boost ... Zero Problems up to the redline ... but who wants to
run only 10 psi ?

And what do you mean by the strange calculation like 22-23 psi on 550cc
injectors ??? Please explain.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

If not, then I will immediately turn the boost down.  I know that the 2nd
>gen 3/S tt run 12 psi stock, but that is not held to redline.  I have the
>AAM 15G's (ported, not clipped).  I also have gutted precats and a full ATR
>exhaust (w/ high flow cat, not test-pipe), as well as a boost controller.
>
>10 psi on 360 cc injectors would seem to equal 22-23 psi on 550 cc injectors
>
>What is the Team 3/S opinion on this?  If it seems to be a bit risky, what
>amount should be safe?   9 psi ?

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:23:07 -0600
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?

I think it is safe to run 10 psi on stock injectors.
You can get a AFR meter from Split Second (fast acting with LED's), or a
digital model such as from Jumptronix, to monitor air fuel ratios if you
want.  Cheap, and nice to have anyway.
Jack T.

From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?
> I know that the 2nd gen 3/S tt run 12 psi stock, but not held to redline.
I have AAM 15Gs ported, not clipped; gutted precats; full ATR
> exhaust w/ high flow cat; boost controller.
> 10 psi on 360 cc injectors would seem to equal 22-23 psi on 550 cc
injectors

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:41:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?

Bill,

"Safe" for the most part is determined by the amount of detonation.
When you installed a boost controller and took the stock BC "out of
the loop", you also removed one of the ways the ECM protects against
knock (by reducing boost). This is now your job. The ECM can still
reduce timing and add fuel to reduce knock.

With a 1991-1993 you can use a datalogger to monitor knock counts and
set the boost or other engine parameters accordingly. Otherwise, you
will have to monitor for knock the old fashioned way - spark plug
inspection, listening for audible clues, and perception of timing
retard through a performance degradation.

So, is it "safe" to run your particular engine at 10 psi boost? You
tell us. I would guess that for most 3S engines that are in good
shape it is. But excessive carbon buildup on the piston crowns (for
example) could easily lower the boost threshhold for knock.

> 10 psi on 360 cc injectors would seem to equal
> 22-23 psi on 550 cc injectors
Presuming you are using the expression "24 psia / 360 injectors is
the same as 36 psia / 550 injecors", you should realize that the
relationship between boost threshold and knock is not linear with
injector size. Go to the "Engine" section on the Tech Page at my web
site for links to more information on the causes and prevention of
knock.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
To: "team3/S" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:55 AM
Subject: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?

I posted this on 3si and got varied responses.

If not, then I will immediately turn the boost down.  I know that the
2nd gen 3/S tt run 12 psi stock, but that is not held to redline.  I
have the AAM 15G's (ported, not clipped).  I also have gutted precats
and a full ATR exhaust (w/ high flow cat, not test-pipe), as well as
a boost controller.

10 psi on 360 cc injectors would seem to equal 22-23 psi on 550 cc
injectors

What is the Team 3/S opinion on this?  If it seems to be a bit risky,
whatamount should be safe?   9 psi ?

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:46:19 -0500
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?

xwing:   Thank you for the recommendation of the Jumptronix AF meter, it
looks like that would be a good purchase.

Jeff L. :   I understand that knock from higher boost pressures is not
avoided by using larger injectors alone.  I meant to ask if there was plenty
of fuel available for 10 psi (from 15G's) at redline from the stock 360
injectors, which as you noted would mean there is plenty of fuel at redline
for 22 psi w/ 550 injectors based on psi.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>

> "Safe" for the most part is determined by the amount of detonation.

 I would guess that for most 3S engines that are in good
> shape it is. But excessive carbon buildup on the piston crowns (for
> example) could easily lower the boost threshhold for knock.
>
> > 10 psi on 360 cc injectors would seem to equal
> > 22-23 psi on 550 cc injectors
> Presuming you are using the expression "24 psia / 360 injectors is
> the same as 36 psia / 550 injecors", you should realize that the
> relationship between boost threshold and knock is not linear with
> injector size. Go to the "Engine" section on the Tech Page at my web
> site for links to more information on the causes and prevention of
> knock.
>
> Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:07:24 -0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny

Dustin,

Both of my replacements have been "remanufactures".  Unfortunately, this
seems to be the norm.

Ah yes, Victor at Libertyville Mitsu.  He was unsuccessful in getting them
to replace my 2nd tranny (leaking seal) and suggested AAMCO do
it............WHAAAA!

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dustin Lenz [SMTP:dustin_lenz@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:56 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny
>
> Well, after being persistent with Libertyville Mitsubishi and the District
>
> Manager from Mitsubishi, I got a call from Victor @ Libertyville Mits
> saying
> that he is going to order the REMANUFACTURED transmission and will have it
>
> in about a week.  My question is:  Is this what the dealerships normally
> do,
> put in a remanufactured unit?  Should I be asking who remanufactured it or
>
> not even worry about it?
>
> Thanks all for the help,
>
> Dustin
> 97 VR-4, RPS 6-Puck, Fidanza Flywheel, ATR Downpipe + Exhaust

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:27:40 -0600
From: "Christopher Deutsch" <crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?

I'm confused by this discussion.  Isn't 15psi, 15psi regardless of what
turbos you are running?  Why do 360 injectors work for 9b turbos at 15psi
and not with 15G turbos?  I can understand that spiking may be more
dangerous or something with 15Gs but I'm confused why you would have to go
down to 10psi.  Could somebody shed more light on this topic?
Thanks,
Christopher

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Jeff Lucius
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:41 AM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Cc: Bill vp
> Subject: Re: Team3S: safe to run 10 psi on 15G's w/ stock fuel?
>
> > 10 psi on 360 cc injectors would seem to equal
> > 22-23 psi on 550 cc injectors
> Presuming you are using the expression "24 psia / 360 injectors is
> the same as 36 psia / 550 injecors", you should realize that the
> relationship between boost threshold and knock is not linear with
> injector size. Go to the "Engine" section on the Tech Page at my web
> site for links to more information on the causes and prevention of
> knock.
>
> Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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