Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Sunday, February 3
2002 Volume 01 : Number
743
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Date:
Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:12:19 -0800
From: Damon Rachell <
damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Underdrive Pulleys
I'd have to agree with Jim on this one. Though
many people have not had
problems, the manufacturer has installed a harmonic
balancer for a
specific reason. many cars don't have them, and I'd
imagine that these
don't have as much vibration in the crank.
If
you're after the most HP possible, then you'd probably be better off
removing the A/C from the car. That's some serious weight and some
drag
on the motor, even when the compressor isn't compressing. While
you're
at it, remove the power steering and replace with a manual rack and
pinion. You'll free up more HP that way than you would with the
smallest of underdrive pulleys.
fastmax wrote:
> Many posts
on the UDP --- check the archives, here and 3SI.com.
>
> I'll have
to go with the conservatives here --- the big issue is: the UDP
> being
offered by dynamic does not have an integral harmonic dampener.
> The
stock unit is more than a pulley, it also dampens the ringing in the
>
crankshaft --- Mitsu and many other manufacturers think it's important.
>
> Buscher racing [ sp ] sells one with a damper but the cost is much
higher.
>
> In terms of performance --- if you cut most of the
claims in half you'd
> probably be closer to the truth. IMHO, it's use is
reserved for those
> trying to get into the 10's
>
> Jim Berry
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
>
> |
Can anyone comment on the effectiveness/reliability of underdrive
pulleys
> | for out cars. I know Dynamic Racing makes them sound
like the best thing
> | since boost controllers.
> |
> |
Regards,
> | DaveT/92TT
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:08:26
-0700
From: Desert Fox <
bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Underdrive Pulleys
Most of the posts in the archives have nothing
but bad things to say about
UDPs. There are a few people out there who seem
to run them and have no
problems. I don't think I'd walk down that road
myself...
- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR
aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
on 2/1/02 16:13,
bdtrent at
bdtrent@netzero.net
scribbled:
> Can anyone comment on the effectiveness/reliability of
underdrive pulleys
> for out cars. I know Dynamic Racing makes them
sound like the best thing
> since boost controllers.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:38:42
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the track
Go to
3s.org when they have group buys on stuff or people are selling
used
stuff. You do not have to buy everything new.
4-RPO1 18"
wheels x$200 tire-rack=$800 subtract about 20lbs over stock
CF hood group
buy
$500 subtract about 30lbs
over stock
Fidanza FW
GB
$350 subtract about 25lb
over
stock
CFDS
GB
$800 subtract about
25lbs over stock
Seats (you only need 1
FG)
$300 subtract about 90lbs over
both
remove stuff you don't need
(spare,
jack, back seats
etc)
free subtract about 50lbs
total
cost
$2800 and lose 240lbs of weight
****flywheel/CFDS/wheels
actually give back lost power==added benefit on top
of weight loss.
Thats
really not alot of money if you are racing every other
weekend
Sam
\-----Original Message-----
From: fastmax <
fastmax@cox.net>
To: Jamie Marzonie
<
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>;
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Friday, February 01, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: new public opinion
poll on springs and shocks for the
track
>Pulling out a few hundred
pounds is a non trivial exercise --- It's easy if
you
>don't care about
comfort or function. Replacing the seats with aftermarket
>'race' seats
can save about 70# but costs $1200. The spare tire and
jack
are
>probably another 40# and the rear seat is only 25# or
so. Another grand
will
>get some aftermarket wheels [ low end stuff
like the RP01's ] that save
another
>40#. Carbon fiber hood and
driveshaft --- about 30# each and about $1600
>total. 235# and $4000 later
you've made a dent in the weight problem. After
>that it gets tougher ---
now you're talking A/C, rear wipers, interior,
carbon
>fiber doors [
they'll be here one day ], Titanium cat back exhaust [
$2400,
from
>GT-pro
].
>
> Jim
Berry
>=================================================
>-----
Original Message -----
>From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
>To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2002 7:33 AM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: new public opinion
poll on springs and shocks for the
track
>
>
>|
>|
I'd try to pull out a few 100 pounds first.
>
>|
>| >From:
"Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>|
>To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>|
>
>| >Our stock spring rates run about 200#/in. My son and I
have been
running
>| >the Eibachs springs provided by Ground Control
which are 550#/in (we are
>| >pretty sure). A couple of weeks ago, I
had an advanced instructor (that
I
>| >respect) ride with me and he
said my springs were still too soft, and
>| >suggested maybe 100 - 200
#/in more stiffness or stiffer shocks. He
said
>| >the
antisway bars I am adding will not affect what he
is
criticizing,i.e.
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:55:32
-0600
From: "Dustin Lenz" <
dustin_lenz@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny
Well, after being persistent with
Libertyville Mitsubishi and the District
Manager from Mitsubishi, I got a
call from Victor @ Libertyville Mits saying
that he is going to order the
REMANUFACTURED transmission and will have it
in about a week. My
question is: Is this what the dealerships normally do,
put in a
remanufactured unit? Should I be asking who remanufactured it or
not
even worry about it?
Thanks all for the help,
Dustin
97 VR-4,
RPS 6-Puck, Fidanza Flywheel, ATR Downpipe + Exhaust
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:29:45
-0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Underdrive Pulleys
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax <
fastmax@cox.net>
To: bdtrent <
bdtrent@netzero.net>; Team 3S <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Friday, February 01, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Underdrive
Pulleys
>In terms of performance --- if you cut most of the claims in
half you'd
>probably be closer to the truth. IMHO, it's use is reserved
for those
>trying to get into the
10's
>
> Jim
Berry
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I'm
politically conservative but that's about it. :)
I haven't seen the most
recent claims but AWD dyno
testing results posted on 3SI.org showed + 8HP
and
? lbs of torque. I've forgotten what the torque was -
seems like
it was 13? On my car I couldn't really
tell one way or the other but I
usually don't unless it's
two or three times that .....+ 1 or 2 psi
works!
I would tell you that I haven't had any problems
with mine but
as soon as I do - something will happen.
- - tds
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:22:50
-0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Seat Weight
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax <
fastmax@cox.net>
To: bdtrent <
bdtrent@netzero.net>; Team 3S <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Friday, February 01, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Seat
Weight
>There's one going on at 3SI.com I think.
>
>Maybe
I'm stronger than I think but that sounds high for a passanger seat.
>If
the passanger seat weighs 70 then the drivers seat weighs
110.
>
>Jim
Berry
>===========================================
Agreed.
Trevor
weighed his at 42 for the passenger and
64 for the driver side. I
believe they were the
leather/adjustable.
I just recently
located/purchased from a Corbeau
group buy [shop in VA] at 15% off list with
flat
rate for shipping ... any products of the entire line ....
Decided on
two 16 pounders.
- - tds
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:58:49
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Seat Weight
I used my calibrated bathroom scale, it's usually
pretty accurate when I
compare on a medical scale I have access to.
Since I am more of the frail
and scrawny type, it seems like 70 pounds as I
was wrestling it out of the
car.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
- -----
Original Message -----
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
To:
"Team 3S" <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2002 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Seat
Weight
Are you sure about the passenger seat weight? I think
the power driver's
seat might be 70 pounds, but I don't remember the
passenger seat being that
heavy. Or maybe I just possess herculean
strength! :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bdtrent
[mailto:bdtrent@netzero.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:12
PM
> To: Team 3S
> Subject: Team3S: Seat Weight
>
> In
the FWIW arena, not quite as entertaining as the occasional
>
confrontation, I pulled my passenger seat out a while back.
> It weighed
in
> at a portly 70lbs. To thinks this is for the
non-powered
> passenger seat.
> Pulling both seats and replaceing
them with any reasonably
> light racing seat
> must be worth 100lbs.
minimum.
> I'm ready for a group buy on seats!
>
>
Regards,
> DaveT/92TT
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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:15:35
-0500
From: Mike <
mike21b@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny
I would certainly ask who is doing the
rebuilding. If the answer is Kormex (and
it would be likely that it is), then
you'll be OK. From all that I've heard,
Kormex rebuilds are as good as, or
better than, new.
Dustin Lenz wrote:
> Well, after being
persistent with Libertyville Mitsubishi and the District
> Manager from
Mitsubishi, I got a call from Victor @ Libertyville Mits saying
> that he
is going to order the REMANUFACTURED transmission and will have it
> in
about a week. My question is: Is this what the dealerships normally
do,
> put in a remanufactured unit? Should I be asking who
remanufactured it or
> not even worry about it?
>
> Thanks all
for the help,
>
> Dustin
> 97 VR-4, RPS 6-Puck, Fidanza
Flywheel, ATR Downpipe + Exhaust
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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 10:30:17
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny
>> Well, after being persistent
with Libertyville Mitsubishi and the District
>> Manager from
Mitsubishi, I got a call from Victor @ Libertyville Mits
saying
>>
that he is going to order the REMANUFACTURED transmission and will have
it
>> in about a week. My question is: Is this what the
dealerships normally
do,
>> put in a remanufactured unit?
Should I be asking who remanufactured it or
>> not even worry about
it?
>>
That's what I got -- a remanufactured factory trans. It
started leaking
almost immediately, and Satan wouldn't honor the
warranty.
Rich/slow old poop/94 VR4 on its 2nd
Getrag>
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:02:39
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
The information by Robert below conflicts
with what the manuals state
and show. Besides the sectional views showing
different designs, the
models numbers are different.
Any Stealth or
3000GT manual including the STIM:
model: F4A33-1-MNP1 (DOHC) F4A33-1-MNP2
(SOHC)
Laser Tech. Info. Manual (I don't have any DSM service
manuals)
model: KM175-5-RDS (2.0L DOHC)
And while I have never
compared a 4G63 block to a 6G72 block side by
side, I would doubt the trany
mounting points match up.
Jeff Lucius,
http://www.stealth316.com/- ---
Robert Booker <
nsubooker@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> FWIW, The FWD Automatic S/3 cars and the turbo FWD DSM's use
the
> same tranny, but the electrical is different and the DSM's have
a
> slightly taller differential gearset.
>
> Matt
>
3/Si #311
> '93 R/T NA
> '00 Intrepid
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 06:16:52
-0800 (PST)
From: John Christian <
jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Remanufactured Tranny
Hi all,
I have a GOOD Satin.
All 4 of the warrantee
replacement Getrags were because of syncro problems.
Number four has lasted the longest--38k. And that 38k
is only
driving to Church on Sunday and back and forth
to Road Courses.
When initially installed #4 leaked on the driver's
side. As I
recall it was from a round hole/plug like
a freeze plug. Good Satin put
some goo on it and its
been dry ever since.
#4 is the only one that
leaked.
I'm sure all of the replacements were not brand
new
trannys. They were probably remanufactured by Getrag
or
someone. But they came from Chrysler.
Not happy with Getrag, but
very satisfied with my
Satin and so far with #4 tranny.
Still take my
TT to my Satin for stuff I can't do or
don't want to do myself. BTW I
did make a few runs
against my mechanic's wife before she got a
another
vehicle. Wanna match your Stealth/VR4 against her?
See this
URL
http://insidefmracing.com/Pages/Laurie%20Cannister.htmlOr
do an Alta Vista search on Laurie Cannister.
Be of good
cheer,
John on the 4th Getrag 93k
- --- Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
wrote:
> @ Libertyville Mits saying
> >> that he is going to
order the REMANUFACTURED
> transmission and will have it
> >>
in about a week. My question is: Is this what
> the
dealerships normally
> do,
> >> put in a remanufactured
unit? Should I be asking
> who remanufactured it or
> >>
not even worry about it?
> >>
> That's what I got -- a
remanufactured factory trans.
> It started leaking
> almost
immediately, and Satan wouldn't honor the
> warranty.
>
>
Rich/slow old poop/94 VR4 on its 2nd Getrag>
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