Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Friday, February 1
2002 Volume 01 : Number
742
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Date:
Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:32:13 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the track
900 front and
650 rear with GAB struts set on max --- I'm also getting
the sway bar package
so I may be playing around with spring rates when
that's done. With this
setup you need, repeat need, to live in a frost free
state.
That
assumes of course that my engine rebuild [ actually spare long block ]
gets
done.
Jim
Berry
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From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:21 PM
Subject: Team3S: new public opinion poll
on springs and shocks for the track
| Our stock spring rates run
about 200#/in. My son and I have been running
| the Eibachs springs
provided by Ground Control which are 550#/in (we are
| pretty sure). A couple
of weeks ago, I had an advanced instructor (that I
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:37:19
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
Explain the 'frost free state' comment. ??
On Thu, 31
Jan 2002, fastmax wrote:
> 900 front and 650 rear with GAB struts set
on max --- I'm also getting
> the sway bar package so I may be playing
around with spring rates when
> that's done. With this setup you need,
repeat need, to live in a frost free
> state.
>
> That
assumes of course that my engine rebuild [ actually spare long block ]
>
gets done.
>
> Jim
Berry
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Original Message -----
> From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:21 PM
> Subject: Team3S: new public
opinion poll on springs and shocks for the track
>
> | Our stock
spring rates run about 200#/in. My son and I have been running
> |
the Eibachs springs provided by Ground Control which are 550#/in (we are
>
| pretty sure). A couple of weeks ago, I had an advanced instructor (that
I
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Geoff Mohler
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:56:14
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
These transmission posts get confuseder and confuseder
--- Parts are available
for the transmission --- Kormex makes and sells
syncro and puts together a
bearing package, the improved output shaft is
available along with the mating
part for the transfer case. The rest of the
transmission is pretty damn tough.
That being said, any time you double the
horse power for which the part was
designed you're asking for trouble.
Some observations:
When you get to level that Jack and Matt, and
now a few others, are striving for
you're going to start breaking parts. You
want to turn 10's, no problem, just bring
sacks of money and plan on spending
it.
When the demand appears for the parts someone will probably provide
them.
Are there any 9 second DSM cars that are also comfortable street
cars or
even streetable for that matter.
Oil leaking out of a trans
is a PITA but easily fixable.
Jim Berry
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From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
To: "Team3s Tech List"
<
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
YOU
may not have broken a transmission, but hundreds, and
| maybe thousands of
people HAVE. I respect the work you've done and I admire
| your
dedication. I'm sorry you take issue with what I said, but I'm being
|
honest|
| However, I do take issue with this list being for people who race
these
| cars. Let's take a show of hands and see who on this list DOES
NOT race.
| Let's see how many people avoid driving hard, much less racing,
specifically
| because of this weak-link transmission. This is a TECH
list. Not a RACE
| list.
|
| The bottom line with the
transmission is this. And mind you, this is my
| opinion so I'll
probably get flamed for it anyway. The gearbox issue will
| not be
solved. Ever. Even if Getrag/Mitsu does release parts they will
one
| day declare it an end-of-life product. In 11 years no one has
ponied up the
| cash to design and build a new one, so I lack the faith that
it will ever
| happen. Does this mean that I dislike the car?
That I'm some sort of
| self-hating 3S owner? No, not at all. I'm just
being realistic about it.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:59:53
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the track
Frost heaves
in the roadway and potholes would make driving my car a
pain, if not
downright dangerous --- I live in the Golden Ghetto area of
Southern
California.
Jim
Berry
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From: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To:
"fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
|
Explain the 'frost free state' comment. ??
| On Thu, 31 Jan 2002,
fastmax wrote:
|
| > 900 front and 650 rear with GAB struts set on max
--- I'm also getting
| > the sway bar package so I may be playing around
with spring rates when
| > that's done. With this setup you need, repeat
need, to live in a frost free
| > state.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:04:10
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Bored & Polished TB
Arty had two bored throttle bodies for sale a
while ago from his 1000 hp
project car.
aso8@aol.com
Jim Berry
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From: "Chris Winkley" <
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
To:
"'Floyd, Jim'" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
|
Jim...
|
| Actually, I often wish I had the discipline and equipment
(like Roger Gerl)
| to perform before and after dyno runs with each mod I've
made.
| Unfortunately, the TB was added at the same time I upgraded the fuel
system
| and turbos. The difference was HUGE (once I got the A/F mix under
control),
| but I don't know how much could be attributed to the TB. The work
was done
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:31:58
-0600
From: "xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
The reason I answered the way I did is that my
situation was used as an
example of how weak our transmissions are, and
apparently used me also as an
example of shame for how "failure prone" we
are.
That is false.
If anything, mine is an example of how STRONG our
transaxles are. I have
never broken one. I had to
have one
changed, UNDER WARRANTY, due to a worn synchro; the other I bought
used at
58,500miles and with 3 months left on warranty so I could have THAT
one
changed; I got it to JUST start grinding a bit when shifting
unnaturally
fast, and my dealer changed THAT under warranty also. What
great warranty
service! Like many cars, there ARE breakages and wear
issues, and much
would be solved if we could get new parts as the old wear
out.
There are specific reasons I've broken stuff (though NOT
transmissions). NO
factory and very little aftermarket support unlike
just about every other
car out there; WE LEARN THE HARD WAY--and sometimes
have to wait, which cost
me 2 motors -- Pro EFI computer, now AEM computer
promised me for almost 2
years causing me NOT to get the FelPro I was
originally planning, so
crapping out 2 engines due to lean and knock and no
datalogging ability.
Think OUR engines are weak?! LOOK at the Hondas
for chrissakes! DSM's
break transmissions and xfer cases with
regularity when raced. That's ok, I
never came on THEIR board telling
them that, using Sean Glazar or Dave
Buschur to cut their own cars
down. They KNOW their situation, as we do.
Sure, you can get a
Supra, use off the shelf parts, and go 9's-11's at 140+
easy as pie. I
know; my friend and I DID it with his Supra.
3S don't have that kind of
support. We choose the harder path.
Jeff's original message
misrepresented me and my situation, and denigrated
our cars too much
IMO.
Had he written WELL, as he did in his REPLY, I'd have little to argue
about
and probably wouldn't have even written anything.
I've worked on
these cars alot, spent and am spending alot of time and money
on them; just
got off the phone with my fabricator about my 93's progress,
when there I see
this message using me unfairly and essentially telling me
what doofus I/we
all are trying to compete against better cars which HAVE
support...it pissed
me off. Any idiot with a wallet can get a Supra or a
Porsche and go
really fast. What a big accomplishment. Join the OTHER
1,000,000
people who did it ALREADY...
His original message was not couched in
nice, neutral, helpful terms but was
insulting to our cars.
That, combined
with USING ME to cut the cars down, built up to the point of
Heavy Battleship
Mitsubishi unleashing its own broadside. I guess I expect
stuff like
that from the BMW, Supra, Honda crowd; but taking it in the back
from one of
our own for some reason got me going. Odd also, that some seem
just
mystified by what I found offensive in Jeff's ORIGINAL
message.
Whatever. Others saw the problems.
I apologize for my
message. Maybe I should have just grinned and said,
"Thank you sir, may
I have another"? Each can answer that for themselves.
I see that Jeff
apologizes for nothing. OK, fine.
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From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
To: "Team3s Tech List"
<
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny
Alternative
> I'm not going to sit here and trade insults. My
point is made. The DSMs
> are very capable cars and anyone who
considers them "lesser" cars is in
> denial. As for my comments
about cars breaking, Matt broke his
transmission
> a couple months ago
during his near record runs. You have broken engines
> the last two
years. This is not an insult or a putdown. It is simply a
>
fact. I'm on my 3rd engine as well, so I'm well aware of the
pain
involved
> in that. Jack, YOU may not have broken a
transmission, but hundreds, and
> maybe thousands of people HAVE. I
respect the work you've done and I
admire
> your dedication. I'm
sorry you take issue with what I said, but I'm being
> honest.
Laying to each other, and ourselves, is counter-productive.
People
>
have often criticized me for things with my car, but I don't get bent
out
of
> shape over it.
> However, I do take issue with this list
being for people who race these
> cars. Let's take a show of hands
and see who on this list DOES NOT race.
> Let's see how many people avoid
driving hard, much less racing,
specifically
> because of this
weak-link transmission. This is a TECH list. Not a RACE
>
list.
> The bottom line with the transmission is this. And mind you,
this is my
> opinion so I'll probably get flamed for it anyway. The
gearbox issue will
> not be solved. Ever. Even if Getrag/Mitsu
does release parts they will
one
> day declare it an end-of-life
product. In 11 years no one has ponied up
the
> cash to design
and build a new one, so I lack the faith that it will ever
> happen.
Does this mean that I dislike the car? That I'm some sort of
>
self-hating 3S owner? No, not at all. I'm just being realistic about
it.
> I'm not going to sit here and do a bullet point list to justify
my
opinions.
> If I'm going to get flamed for it, then so be it.
If I build a race car
> I'll pick something that fits my budget, that has
a significant
aftermarket
> with qualified R&D, and is a good
platform to start with. That would be a
> DSM. I'm sorry if
you don't like it, but that's your opinion and you're
> entitled to
it
> Jeff V.
> 1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
> -----Original
Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
> CORRECTION:
> I HAVE _N
E V E R_ BROKEN A TRANSAXLE IN EITHER OF MY 3000GT VR4's.
> N.
E. V. E. R.
> I have worn out the 1-2 upshift synchro two times in the 8+
years of
owning
> 3000GT's, and have had to change the aluminum xfer
case on my 93 twice.
> Whoa, hold me back, all the tranny breakages I've
had. Total: Zero.
> BTW, Jeff, if they are so glass-trannied,
overweight, failure prone,
barely
> able to cope, cruisers only, and
the [smart person] would race a DSM
> instead, feel free to leave the Team
3S list and goto the "Fat Cruiser 3S
> Bitch-About-Stuff Who Would Rather
Race A DSM List".
> Team 3S is specifically for those who DO race the
cars. Need I call on
the
> administrators to confirm
this?
> On the other hand, maybe there is a market for unconstructive
insults here
> too. I could be wrong.
>
> ----- Original
Message ----- (mercifully snipped)
> From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
> Sent: Thursday,
January 31, 2002
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
> >
the DSM guys have multiple cars in 8s
> > and 9s with stock driveline
while we've only got two failure prone cars
> > that barely run
10s.
> > It's not a 3S eliminating single turbo Supras from Street
Class IDRA
> drags, is it?
> > We're the ones with the overweight
car that has a
> > glass tranny that can barely cope with STOCK power
output.
> > My Stealth is my cruiser. When/if I build a race car,
it will be a DSM.
> > Jeff V.1991 Stealth ESX Twin
Turbo
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:27:30
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
>However, I do take issue with this
list being for people who race these
>cars. Let's take a show of
hands and see who on this list DOES NOT race.
>Let's see how many people
avoid driving hard, much less racing, specifically
>because of this
weak-link transmission. This is a TECH list. Not a
RACE
>list.
I race my car.
But I DO NOT shift it hard or
fast because I am afraid it will break.That
might take a second or so off my
lap time (hey! Maybe that's why I'm so
slow!), but I'd rather be a tick
slower than shell out $3,000 for another
tranny.
I probably have the
only VR4 on the list with a new transmission that has
never been "launched"
in a drag strip start. Well, not on pavement anyway.
My best 0-60 (5.5) and
1/4 mile (13.5 @ 105) were done in a misty rain,
where I could spin the tires
easily. I would NEVER spin them like that on
dry asphalt for fear of breaking
it.
Even though I don't abuse my new Getrag, I bet it still fails
at 60,000
miles after installation. Don't they all?
Rich/slow old
poop
94 VR4 on its 2nd Getrag>
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:26:06
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
>
>I for one happen to agree with
Jeff. Our cars _are_
>heavier than our competitors. There _is_ a
smaller
>
Actually, our cars are only about 150-200lbs heavier then a
comparable
equipped F-body-----thats not much when you have AWD and an
all-steel body.
I can drop that much weight in about three to four
performance related
replacement parts. In fact, my BPU VR-4 weighs in
at 3650lbs (aftermarket
exhaust/ wheels) , only 100lbs heavier then a WS6
T/A. I think the weight
issue is really trivial. A carbon fiber
driveshaft, cf hood, aluminum
flywheel, and racing seats will easily
drop about another 150lbs. Then we
would be lighter then a
T/A.
Sam
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:39:16
-0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
Mines at 90,000 with no problems.
Hard
launches, "speed" shifts, etc.
I am running RED Line in it.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Merritt
[mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:28
PM
To: Jeff VanOrsdal; Team3s Tech List; xwing
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny
Alternative
>However, I do take issue with this list being for people
who race these
>cars. Let's take a show of hands and see who on this
list DOES NOT race.
>Let's see how many people avoid driving hard, much
less racing,
specifically
>because of this weak-link
transmission. This is a TECH list. Not a RACE
>list.
I
race my car.
But I DO NOT shift it hard or fast because I am afraid it
will break.That
might take a second or so off my lap time (hey! Maybe that's
why I'm so
slow!), but I'd rather be a tick slower than shell out $3,000 for
another
tranny.
I probably have the only VR4 on the list with a new
transmission that has
never been "launched" in a drag strip start. Well, not
on pavement anyway.
My best 0-60 (5.5) and 1/4 mile (13.5 @ 105) were done in
a misty rain,
where I could spin the tires easily. I would NEVER spin them
like that on
dry asphalt for fear of breaking it.
Even though I
don't abuse my new Getrag, I bet it still fails at 60,000
miles after
installation. Don't they all?
Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4 on its 2nd
Getrag>
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:55:57
-0700
From: Wayne <
whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject:
Team3S: 15g Fitment
Hello,
I was wondering if anybody knew if the 15g
wheel and housing will mount up
to the Stock cartridge?
Is there a
fitment issue with the shaft diameter, or anything else?
Does anybody have a
set of 15g's complete for sale?
Wayne
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:57:59
-0700
From: Wayne <
whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject:
Team3S: CD Changer wiring
Hello,
Can anybody tell me if the DIN cable
for the changer is routed under the
carpet through the center console, or
around the side under the door?
Wayne
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:07:36
-0600
From: "xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
15g Fitment
Yes it will fit the center section, but it will NOT fit in
the aluminum
compressor housing without proper machining of the
housing.
JT
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To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: Team3S: 15g Fitment
>
Hello,
> I was wondering if anybody knew if the 15g wheel and housing will
mount up
> to the Stock cartridge?
> Is there a fitment issue with
the shaft diameter, or anything else?
> Does anybody have a set of 15g's
complete for sale?
>
> Wayne
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:12:16
-0700
From: "Thomas Jeys" <
tj@jeys.net>
Subject: Team3S: Tranny
Wars!!!
So can we all agree that it is fair to say our tranny's gears
aren't week,
it's just the synchros? After all, I haven't heard of one
ever grenading,
just roasting synchros like there's no tomorrow. And if
ya thing about it,
that's pretty understandable, our drive line (speaking in
terms of
rotational mass) is a lot heavier than most so it would take a lot
more to
properly synchronize it with the engine. So, the question is
this, does
anyone have a brand new second and third gear synchro that I could
borrow to
get some measurements off of to see if I could make a titanium
replacement?
That might just fix a lot of our tranny problems.
Thoughts?
T.J.
1992 3000GT VR-4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:15:36
-0500
From: "WALTER D. BEST" <
WDBO39@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
15g Fitment
I haven't gotten a set myself but they are in my future
plans. However as I
understand the 15G's are just different impeller
and propeller in the same
TD-04 housing as the stock 9B's, you should have
any problems
Dave Best
Polishing/Powder coating and spark plug
plates:
http://198.107.57.88/3S/DBest/-
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From: "Wayne" <
whietala@prodigy.net>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:55 PM
Subject: Team3S: 15g Fitment
>
Hello,
> I was wondering if anybody knew if the 15g wheel and housing will
mount up
> to the Stock cartridge?
> Is there a fitment issue with
the shaft diameter, or anything else?
> Does anybody have a set of 15g's
complete for sale?
>
> Wayne
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:20:54
-0800
From: Damon Rachell <
damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Wars!!!
If I'm correct, the synchros don't synchronize the engine
with the
driveline. They slow or speed up the intermediate shaft with
engine
speed so that the gear is properly engaged when the clutch is pushed
in.
when the clutch is removed, the gears are already meshed and the
engine then becomes linked to the driveline. The synchros are used
before the clutch is even engaged. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
Thomas Jeys wrote:
> So can we all agree that it is fair
to say our tranny's gears aren't week,
> it's just the synchros?
After all, I haven't heard of one ever grenading,
> just roasting synchros
like there's no tomorrow. And if ya thing about it,
> that's pretty
understandable, our drive line (speaking in terms of
> rotational mass) is
a lot heavier than most so it would take a lot more to
> properly
synchronize it with the engine. So, the question is this, does
>
anyone have a brand new second and third gear synchro that I could borrow
to
> get some measurements off of to see if I could make a titanium
replacement?
> That might just fix a lot of our tranny problems.
Thoughts?
>
> T.J.
> 1992 3000GT VR-4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:21:34
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CD
Changer wiring
As I recall mine was routed over to the side behind the
drivers seat then
along the door well to the front of the seat and over to
the stereo.
Jim
Berry
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From: "Wayne" <
whietala@prodigy.net>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:57 PM
Subject: Team3S: CD Changer
wiring
| Hello,
| Can anybody tell me if the DIN cable for the changer
is routed under the
| carpet through the center console, or around the side
under the door?
|
| Wayne
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:27:01
-0700
From: "Thomas Jeys" <
tj@jeys.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny
Wars!!!
Yeah, your right. I just phrased it wrong. I said
"our drive line
(speaking in terms of rotational mass) is a lot heavier than
most" I guess
that's no excuse for our sychros to die, but the main point is
can a
stronger sychro be built. I'm sure it cam be done, but has anyone
tryed it?
Can I get one? If not, then I want to build it.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Damon Rachell
[mailto:damonr@mefas.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:21 PM
To:
Thomas Jeys
Cc: Team 3s
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Wars!!!
If I'm
correct, the synchros don't synchronize the engine with the
driveline.
They slow or speed up the intermediate shaft with engine
speed so that the
gear is properly engaged when the clutch is pushed in.
when the clutch
is removed, the gears are already meshed and the
engine then becomes linked
to the driveline. The synchros are used
before the clutch is even
engaged. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Thomas Jeys wrote:
> So
can we all agree that it is fair to say our tranny's gears aren't week,
>
it's just the synchros? After all, I haven't heard of one ever
grenading,
> just roasting synchros like there's no tomorrow. And if
ya thing about
it,
> that's pretty understandable, our drive line
(speaking in terms of
> rotational mass) is a lot heavier than most so it
would take a lot more to
> properly synchronize it with the engine.
So, the question is this, does
> anyone have a brand new second and third
gear synchro that I could borrow
to
> get some measurements off of to
see if I could make a titanium
replacement?
> That might just fix a lot
of our tranny problems. Thoughts?
>
> T.J.
> 1992 3000GT
VR-4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:31:24
-0700
From: "Thomas Jeys" <
tj@jeys.net>
Subject: Team3S: Some good pics
of our engine
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=601504596&
r=0&t=0
Here
are some good pics of our engine while out of the car, incase
your
interested.
T.J.
1992 3000GT VR-4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:46:37
-0500
From: "WALTER D. BEST" <
WDBO39@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
15g Fitment
Ops sorry did fully read your question, that's what I get for
trying to
answer these after a long day. I recall AAM telling me that
it was the same
shaft just larger more aggressive wheels on the
15G.
Dave Best
Polishing/Powder coating and spark plug plates:
http://198.107.57.88/3S/DBest/***
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:34:48
-0900
From: "Charles J. Williams" <
cwilliam@gci.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
Preventative Maintenance on Suspension
I must say I'm a little
disappointed. Only 1 suggestion as to some work
that I might include in
this. No opinions on whether its needed or what
parts might need
checking.
Would I get more responses if I insulted somebody's
car?
Charles
- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles
Williams [mailto:cwilliam@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:21
AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Preventative Maintenance on Suspension
Good morning from the lurker of
the north. Due to a few small iceburgs
and potholes in the roads I find
that I need to get the front end
aligned on my car. This got me to
wondering if I shouldn't do some
preventative maintenance and replace some
parts that may be close to
being worn out. The car has 86,000 miles on
it. No major work, so
far. All of the suspension are original
parts. I would rather replace
them now than wait for them to
fail. With my luck they always fail
right when I need the car the
most. The parts I'm thinking about are
CV joints, ball joints,
bushings, etc.
Do any of you "experts" have an opinion? (boy, is
that a loaded
question on this board. ~smile~)
Charles
Williams
Eagle River, AK
1995 Stealth R/T Jet Black
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:09:29
-0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
- -----Original Message-----
From: Sam Shelat
<
sshelat@erols.com>
To:
apedenko@attbi.com <
apedenko@attbi.com>; xwing <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Cc:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny
Alternative
>>I for one happen to agree with Jeff. Our cars
_are_
>>heavier than our competitors. There _is_ a
smaller
>>
>Actually, our cars are only about 150-200lbs heavier
then a comparable
>equipped F-body-----thats not much when you have AWD
and an all-steel body.
>I can drop that much weight in about three to four
performance related
>replacement parts. In fact, my BPU VR-4 weighs
in at 3650lbs (aftermarket
>exhaust/ wheels) , only 100lbs heavier then a
WS6 T/A. I think the weight
>issue is really trivial. A carbon
fiber driveshaft, cf hood, aluminum
>flywheel, and racing seats will
easily drop about another 150lbs. Then we
>would be lighter then a
T/A.
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
And
Trevor's StealthTT weighs 3383 pounds with the
same type mods. Woops -
there goes that weight argument!
- - tds
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:28:32
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
Maybe I should change the subject
finally. How does everyone get such
light cars?
3,781# curb
weight
190# driver
200# instructor
(passenger)
60# rollbar (more when rollcage gets
in)
10# Big Reds (a guess on this)
40# (track
wheel+tire is 55# and stock is about 45# so 10# per tire
diff)
124#
(6.2# per gallon of gas - from a website)
- --------
4,405#
You
state a WS6 T/A is then 3,550. Holy #&*(@#. That's 900
pounds
right there to start with. Carbon what will drop me 150#?
Big deal. I
need to drop over 1,000# to be in the ballpark.
Mohler has done this by
removing carpet, etc. but still ... things add up in
a HURRY with weight
on the track.
That was one of the reasons I will
not do a DSM conversion for tranny,
engine, etc. Not because I don't
think they can handle 450+ hp but
because they were typically meant for a car
of much less inertia,
momentum, physics, etc. The aftermarket stuff
might be different (dual
spider clutch, yadda, yadda, yadda) but I did not
start my car out in
life gearing it for a 1/4 mile strip. I commend
those who do. Bravo.
Kudos. And those who love to tour in it with
MP3 players. Kudos.
Bravo. I like hearing that stuff at the
Gatherings. No, mine was
always destined for the road course. And
hence the mods on it.
And I too race the car (we actually have to call it
"driving" and not
"racing") but had a remfg tranny in 01/2001 put in when the
synchro went
South on the first one (~50k but I only owned it since the 40k
mark).
Since then there have not been hard launches. Fastest 1/4 mile
time of
a mid-14 (in three runs) and that was just to please some other
people
with a number. Like Merritt I know that the car is not doing
anything
productive when the clutch is in and shifting so no need to slam it
in.
Maybe do it quickly or slowly depending but let the engaged gears
and
spooled turbos do the work
P.S. Maybe the car weight is just the
car. Maybe the T/A will be
equally as heavy with a full tank of gas and
two people in the car ...
if so then disregard the math in the
beginning. I still see more 3/S on
the tracks than WS-6. That's
an easy one. Camaros are out there in
force sometimes but that's for a
different post.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Sam Shelat
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
16:26
Actually, our cars are only about 150-200lbs heavier then a
comparable
equipped F-body-----thats not much when you have AWD and an
all-steel
body.
I can drop that much weight in about three to four
performance related
replacement parts. In fact, my BPU VR-4 weighs in
at 3650lbs
(aftermarket
exhaust/ wheels) , only 100lbs heavier then a WS6
T/A. I think the
weight
issue is really trivial. A carbon
fiber driveshaft, cf hood, aluminum
flywheel, and racing seats will
easily drop about another 150lbs. Then
we
would be lighter then a
T/A.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:32:09
-0500 (EST)
From: Philip V Glazatov <
gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S:
New-style lifters
Hey guys, you might have heard already that Paul
Butkiewicz
<
3S@DiabloEnterprises.com> is
setting up a really cheap group buy for
new-style lifters, only $8 per
lifter. They supposedly do not tick as
much. I am wondering when these new
style lifters started coming stock on
our cars? I have a '95 TT with
relatively low mileage and my ticking is
pretty rare and I am wondering if I
already have those lifters in my
engine.
Also, is it possible to
replace them with the help of some fixture without
having to remove
camshafts? Thanks?
Philip
'95 Red R/T TT
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:42:14
-0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
- -----Original Message-----
From: xwing <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny
Alternative
>His original message was not couched in nice, neutral,
helpful terms but
was
>insulting to our cars.
>That, combined
with USING ME to cut the cars down, built up to the point of
>Heavy
Battleship Mitsubishi unleashing its own broadside. I guess I
expect
>stuff like that from the BMW, Supra, Honda crowd; but taking it in
the back
>from one of our own for some reason got me going. Odd
also, that some seem
>just mystified by what I found offensive in Jeff's
ORIGINAL message.
>Whatever. Others saw the problems.
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
While
there was certainly no tact in Jeff's "insults", it's not really
as if it
came from someone who owns a *real* twin turbo S/3K
like we do. A hack
job NA conversion isn't anywhere near the same.
There is really no point
attempting to reason with someone
who thinks a DSM is a step above an
S/3K. It's just too
ludicrous to even attempt a
reply.
Using that same bizarre thinking then an NSX is not a step
(or several)
above a Civic, and a Vette is not a step above an Fbody
....
There are VW bugs that run 9 sec quarters, does that mean
they are
also a step above us?! You can see where this is going
.....
The fact that we have done so much with so very little
support
only proves how versatile and amazing these cars are!
How many
cars can run 10 or 11 second quarters one
day and then beat BMWs, 911's etc
the next day at the
raod track?!
If we wanted to compete head to head
with Buschar then we
would need to chop up, convert, strip, use tube
frame
and fake fiberglass body like he does! How many people
want to
do that to a nice S/3K or NSX or C5 or 911 turbo ......
You can see where
this is going ......
Trannys : Can't add much that hasn't already
been said.
Launch really hard - break parts. Nothing really unique
to
an S/3K about that. If there were 500,000 S/3Ks running
around,
then the demand would probably dictate an aftermarket
racing
tranny. It would also render our cars non-exclusive and
not so special
and less valuable.
I must admit that if I wanted to build the fastest
strip
only car I could, then I would probably use something
besides an
S/3K due to lack of support and financial
ease. But for those that
choose to be different
(the reason most of us own these cars) then
they
have nothing but respect from me. Knowing what
is involved -
the hardships, the trials and little to
no support, they deserve to be
honored - especially
by their own.
Overall - I believe they are
honored and respected.
Only those who are ignorant of what is involved
or
have never experienced the challenges. trials
and incredible results
that are obtainable with
solid determination would belittle or
mischaracterize.
There was a time when I was ready to "throw in the
towel".
While I would never sell my StealthTT, I was ready to
stop
moving forward, stagnate and hope I didn't break
anything
else.
But now things are changing and moving forward.
Has anyone
noticed how items are now being conceived and custom built
to
sell *by the owners themselves*? Items I would have
never thought we
could have are now a reality instead
of wishful thinking.
It's this
kind of determination that got me going again.
The owners are pulling
together and as a collective are
finding ways to build/fabricate/customize
what we need
instead of waiting around for some big name vendor
to deem us
worthy of a huge profit before providing.
I'm going to break my
soapbox now.
Hopefully I won't be drawn and quartered
for speaking my
mind ....
- tds
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:41:42
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Wars!!!
How much are synchros worth and how much are gears
worth when broken?
Mine was replaced under warranty so the $5,000 "Tranny,
etc." was just
one lump sum and not itemized since it was all
included.
Long story short, bolts in some things are made to shear off
and save
the expensive part like a law mower engine. A little brass
bolt will
shear since it takes less force to break this $0.34 part than it
does
the $350 engine.
So aren't the synchros *supposed* to break off
first and cost only a few
hundred from Kormex instead of blowing a gear (how
much do they cost?)
or even the whole tranny? Just a thought.
Don't go making the synchros
tempered, cryo-treated, heat treated, etc. to
the Nth degree as it might
not be the way it was meant to be
done.
Another story non-tech related from a teacher in college for
interested
parties. Email me offline. Very real life story and
scary to see how
this happens for real.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 and
owner of the not-so-coveted "Broken 2-3 Synchro" award
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Thomas Jeys
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
22:27
Yeah, your right. I just phrased it wrong. I said
"our drive line
(speaking in terms of rotational mass) is a lot heavier than
most" I
guess
that's no excuse for our sychros to die, but the main point
is can a
stronger sychro be built. I'm sure it cam be done, but has
anyone tryed
it?
Can I get one? If not, then I want to build it.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:43:18
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
New-style lifters
According to caps the new design was in 97.
Yes
they can be replaced w/o removing the cams --- they make a tool
to depress
the valve and then pop the lifter out. The 'tool' is pretty
simple, you could
probably use a heel bar.
The CD manual has a description.
IMHO ---
if it ain't broke don't fix
it.
Jim
Berry
=================================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Philip V Glazatov" <
gphilip@umich.edu>
| Hey guys, you
might have heard already that Paul Butkiewicz
| <
3S@DiabloEnterprises.com> is
setting up a really cheap group buy for
| new-style lifters, only $8 per
lifter. They supposedly do not tick as
| much. I am wondering when these new
style lifters started coming stock on
| our cars? I have a '95 TT with
relatively low mileage and my ticking is
| pretty rare and I am wondering if
I already have those lifters in my
| engine.
|
| Also, is it possible
to replace them with the help of some fixture without
| having to remove
camshafts? Thanks?
*** Info:
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:51:49
-0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Wars - synchros
- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Jeys
<
tj@jeys.net>
To: Team 3s <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: Team3S: Tranny
Wars!!!
>So can we all agree that it is fair to say our tranny's gears
aren't week,
>it's just the synchros? After all, I haven't heard of
one ever grenading,
>just roasting synchros like there's no
tomorrow. And if ya thing about it,
>that's pretty understandable,
our drive line (speaking in terms of
>rotational mass) is a lot heavier
than most so it would take a lot more to
>properly synchronize it with the
engine. So, the question is this, does
>anyone have a brand new
second and third gear synchro that I could borrow
to
>get some
measurements off of to see if I could make a titanium replacement?
>That
might just fix a lot of our tranny problems. Thoughts?
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I
do have the synchros. I still have the ones I got
from Jack and they
are like gold.
I'm still running fine on my *original*
small spline
tranny with 58K on it.
It shifts like butter but if I were to
start
believing 1/2 of what is posted about
our "bad trannys" then mine
should
die any day now.
To be blunt - I don't know you from
Adam
and these synchros are
not easy to obtain. For the deposit
I would
require, you might be able to
buy or rent a set from Kormex.
- -
tds
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:06:22
-0800
From: "noble" <
nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S:
Tranny parts
Thomas,
I agree with the way you're thinking; a
complete synchro set replacement
that is better
engineered than factory
will likely solve a lot of shifting issues.
Is titanium a better metal for a
synchro than the factory brass/steel
(guessing here)?
The rest (Ie.
hardened output shafts, etc), Kormex supplies.
Regards,
Noble
-
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Jeys <
tj@jeys.net>
To: Team 3s <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:12 PM
Subject: Team3S: Tranny
Wars!!!
> So can we all agree that it is fair to say our tranny's
gears aren't week,
> it's just the synchros? After all, I haven't
heard of one ever grenading,
> just roasting synchros like there's no
tomorrow. And if ya thing about
it,
> that's pretty
understandable, our drive line (speaking in terms of
> rotational mass) is
a lot heavier than most so it would take a lot more to
> properly
synchronize it with the engine. So, the question is this, does
>
anyone have a brand new second and third gear synchro that I could
borrow
to
> get some measurements off of to see if I could make a
titanium
replacement?
> That might just fix a lot of our tranny
problems. Thoughts?
>
> T.J.
> 1992 3000GT
VR-4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:55:08
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
First of all kick that fat ass instructor out --- we
don't need no stinken
instructorn !!!
I usually run with less than ½
tank of gas and carry a couple of 5 gal.
cans [ empty ] in my trailer --- I
fill them just before the track.
Remove the spare and misc
junk.
Remove my power seat and put in my aluminum race
seat.
RP01's and Hoosier tires are about 15# lighter [ times 4
].
Think light thoughts.
A lot of that is offset by the fact I'm
larger than the average bear
but I don't see a 4400#
package.
Jim
Berry
==========================================
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny
Alternative
| Maybe I should change the subject finally. How does
everyone get such
| light cars?
|
| 3,781# curb weight
|
190# driver
| 200# instructor (passenger)
|
60# rollbar (more when rollcage gets in)
| 10# Big Reds (a
guess on this)
| 40# (track wheel+tire is 55# and stock is
about 45# so 10# per tire
| diff)
| 124# (6.2# per gallon of
gas - from a website)
| --------
| 4,405#
|
| You state a WS6 T/A is
then 3,550. Holy #&*(@#. That's 900 pounds
| right there to
start with. Carbon what will drop me 150#? Big deal. I
|
need to drop over 1,000# to be in the ballpark. Mohler has done this
by
| removing carpet, etc. but still ... things add up in a HURRY with
weight
| on the track.
|
| That was one of the reasons I will not do a
DSM conversion for tranny,
| engine, etc. Not because I don't think
they can handle 450+ hp but
| because they were typically meant for a car of
much less inertia,
| momentum, physics, etc. The aftermarket stuff
might be different (dual
| spider clutch, yadda, yadda, yadda) but I did not
start my car out in
| life gearing it for a 1/4 mile strip. I commend
those who do. Bravo.
| Kudos. And those who love to tour in it
with MP3 players. Kudos.
| Bravo. I like hearing that stuff at
the Gatherings. No, mine was
| always destined for the road
course. And hence the mods on it.
|
| And I too race the car (we
actually have to call it "driving" and not
| "racing") but had a remfg tranny
in 01/2001 put in when the synchro went
| South on the first one (~50k but I
only owned it since the 40k mark).
| Since then there have not been hard
launches. Fastest 1/4 mile time of
| a mid-14 (in three runs) and that
was just to please some other people
| with a number. Like Merritt I
know that the car is not doing anything
| productive when the clutch is in
and shifting so no need to slam it in.
| Maybe do it quickly or slowly
depending but let the engaged gears and
| spooled turbos do the
work
|
| P.S. Maybe the car weight is just the car. Maybe the T/A
will be
| equally as heavy with a full tank of gas and two people in the car
...
| if so then disregard the math in the beginning. I still see more
3/S on
| the tracks than WS-6. That's an easy one. Camaros are
out there in
| force sometimes but that's for a different post.
|
|
--Flash!
| 1995 VR-4
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Sam
Shelat
| Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 16:26
|
| Actually, our cars
are only about 150-200lbs heavier then a comparable
| equipped
F-body-----thats not much when you have AWD and an all-steel
| body.
| I
can drop that much weight in about three to four performance related
|
replacement parts. In fact, my BPU VR-4 weighs in at 3650lbs
|
(aftermarket
| exhaust/ wheels) , only 100lbs heavier then a WS6 T/A. I
think the
| weight
| issue is really trivial. A carbon fiber
driveshaft, cf hood, aluminum
| flywheel, and racing seats will easily
drop about another 150lbs. Then
| we
| would be lighter then a
T/A.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:01:02
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Wars!!!
The syncros are wear items, like a clutch, so you
can't harden it. You could
possibly put in a thicker wear surface. If
you had big bucks you could reduce
the weight of the gear sets and thus
reduce the wear and tear on the
syncros.
Jim
berry
=============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
|
| So
aren't the synchros *supposed* to break off first and cost only a few
|
hundred from Kormex instead of blowing a gear (how much do they cost?)
| or
even the whole tranny? Just a thought. Don't go making the
synchros
| tempered, cryo-treated, heat treated, etc. to the Nth degree as it
might
| not be the way it was meant to be done.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:18:04
-0800
From: "Alan C. Sheffield" <
a92rttt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd
D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
>While there was
certainly no tact in Jeff's "insults", it's not really
>as if it came from
someone who owns a *real* twin turbo S/3K
>like we do. A hack job NA
conversion isn't anywhere near the same.
Todd, I have two comments for
you in requards to the above statement.
First. While Jeff's car may not
be a AWD TT. To publically insult the
workmanship in his TT conversion it
rude. If you had ever seen the car your
would realize that it's not a "hack
job". Jeff did a job a professional
mechanic in a fully equipped shop would
be hard pressed to match.
Second, Jeff may not own a TT car. But, I'll
trust his knowledge of the 3S
line of cars over about 98% of the owners. Does
his not owning a AWD car
make him a lower class owner ? Your statement really
seems to imply that.
Alan
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:15:25
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Throttle
body, how big?
Hi,
I will have a new intake manifold custom made
and I will also buy a new throttle body.
Now I wonder how big TB shall I
get? What is too small and when is it too big?
The intercooler pipes are
3" so I guess that's the smallest is should be. Will I gain anything with a TB
that is bigger than the IC pipe?
Also, if you know where to buy throttle
bodies please send me contact information (doesn'n need to be made for 3000gt
since everything is custom built anyway.)
Regards,
Mikael Kenson
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:01:16
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: How to
remove AC system and compressor?
In the persuit of JackT's record I have
deceided that air condition is a luxury I don't need... And since I live in
freezing coold Sweden I don't have much use for it anyway :)
I know that
there is 3000 gt's without aircondition. I want to take my AC system of
the car with compressor and everything but to do that I need to change the
configuration/route of the drivebelt. Do anyone know what parts I need to
convert to the non AC configuration?
/Mikael Kenson
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:40:53
-0500
From: "Bill vp" <
billvp@highstream.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
The curb weight includes the stock brakes
and the stock wheels/tires and a
FULL tank of gas (so delete those from your
equation) Also, if you think
that a T/A or any car is going to be
driven without a driver, um, I don't
think so
=) Also, how can you count in an instructor in a car's
weight
to say that the car is too heavy ??? If you count the weight of
you and an
instructor in a VR4, you have to add it in to the weight of the
T/A also.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Schilberg"
<
dschilberg@pobox.com>
To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2002 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tranny
Alternative
> Maybe I should change the subject finally. How
does everyone get such
> light cars?
>
> 3,781# curb
weight
> 190# driver
> 200# instructor
(passenger)
> 60# rollbar (more when rollcage gets
in)
> 10# Big Reds (a guess on
this)
> 40# (track wheel+tire is 55# and stock is about
45# so 10# per tire
> diff)
> 124# (6.2# per gallon of
gas - from a website)
> --------
> 4,405#
>
> You state
a WS6 T/A is then 3,550. Holy #&*(@#. That's 900 pounds
>
right there to start with. Carbon what will drop me 150#? Big
deal. I
> need to drop over 1,000# to be in the ballpark.
Mohler has done this by
> removing carpet, etc. but still ... things add
up in a HURRY with weight
> on the track.
>
> That was one of
the reasons I will not do a DSM conversion for tranny,
> engine,
etc. Not because I don't think they can handle 450+ hp but
> because
they were typically meant for a car of much less inertia,
> momentum,
physics, etc. The aftermarket stuff might be different (dual
>
spider clutch, yadda, yadda, yadda) but I did not start my car out in
>
life gearing it for a 1/4 mile strip. I commend those who do.
Bravo.
> Kudos. And those who love to tour in it with MP3
players. Kudos.
> Bravo. I like hearing that stuff at the
Gatherings. No, mine was
> always destined for the road
course. And hence the mods on it.
>
> And I too race the car
(we actually have to call it "driving" and not
> "racing") but had a remfg
tranny in 01/2001 put in when the synchro went
> South on the first one
(~50k but I only owned it since the 40k mark).
> Since then there have not
been hard launches. Fastest 1/4 mile time of
> a mid-14 (in three
runs) and that was just to please some other people
> with a number.
Like Merritt I know that the car is not doing anything
> productive when
the clutch is in and shifting so no need to slam it in.
> Maybe do it
quickly or slowly depending but let the engaged gears and
> spooled turbos
do the work
>
> P.S. Maybe the car weight is just the car.
Maybe the T/A will be
> equally as heavy with a full tank of gas and two
people in the car ...
> if so then disregard the math in the
beginning. I still see more 3/S on
> the tracks than WS-6.
That's an easy one. Camaros are out there in
> force sometimes but
that's for a different post.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995
VR-4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Shelat
>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 16:26
>
> Actually, our cars are
only about 150-200lbs heavier then a comparable
> equipped
F-body-----thats not much when you have AWD and an all-steel
>
body.
> I can drop that much weight in about three to four performance
related
> replacement parts. In fact, my BPU VR-4 weighs in at
3650lbs
> (aftermarket
> exhaust/ wheels) , only 100lbs heavier then
a WS6 T/A. I think the
> weight
> issue is really
trivial. A carbon fiber driveshaft, cf hood, aluminum
>
flywheel, and racing seats will easily drop about another 150lbs.
Then
> we
> would be lighter then a T/A.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:31:02
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Car weight (was Re: Tranny Alternative)
Thanks, Bill.
Forgot that the T/A car weight was quoted as curb weight
and not track
weight. The weight from Sam of 3,650 is with aftermarket
exhaust so I
was just jumping to think that was also with him since he
could save another
150 pounds or so. We'll add 600# or so to the T/A to
get it to within
about 200# of our car.
Just an oversite and lack of descriptions given,
that's all. Thanks for
catching it though as it is late and someone
would have actually
believed me.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill vp
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002
04:41
The curb weight includes the stock brakes and the stock
wheels/tires and
a
FULL tank of gas (so delete those from your
equation) Also, if you
think
that a T/A or any car is going to be
driven without a driver, um, I
don't
think so
=) Also, how can you count in an instructor in a
car's
weight
to say that the car is too heavy ??? If you count the
weight of you and
an
instructor in a VR4, you have to add it in to the
weight of the T/A
also.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:26:13
-0600
From: "xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
How to remove AC system and compressor?
Mikael:
You should be able to
do it by just getting a shorter belt, after removing
the AC compressor.
My friend did it on his VR4, I don't know the size...my
94 will always keep
the AC, but my 93 won't have AC soon...
JT
ps with your Autronic, I
seem to recall you had to cut 3 blades off the cam
sensor, right? My
friend with Autronic on his 93 VR4 still can't get it
running and I think the
computer is not TRULY set up to understand the stock
3S crank/cam sensors, as
was claimed by the company...
Thanks!
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Sent: Friday, February
01
Subject: Team3S: How to remove AC system and compressor?
> In the
persuit of JackT's record I have deceided that air condition is a
luxury I
don't need... And since I live in freezing coold Sweden I don't
have much use
for it anyway :)
> I know that there is 3000 gt's without
aircondition. I want to take my AC
system of the car with compressor and
everything but to do that I need to
change the configuration/route of the
drivebelt. Do anyone know what parts I
need to convert to the non AC
configuration?
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:34:41
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Water Injection Installation/Tuning Questions
>> If
not, the RPM wire on the ECU you refer to
>> - is the same line that
goes to the tachometer?
>> (looks like pin 10 in the 2G
cars)
The RPM wire, and others at the ECM connectors, is identified on
my
web page below. The RPM pin assignment changed 4 times over
the
production run.
1991-1993 #101
1994-1995
#58
1996-1997 #51
1998-1999 #45
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius7/j7-2-ecu94.htmAccording
to the circuit diagrams in service manual (13A-264 in
'92-'96 man), the
engine speed check control terminal (see my web
page below) taps into the
wire going between the ignition power
transistor and ignition coil A (for
plugs 1 and 4). Because of this,
it reads only 1/3 of the RPM. This makes it
unsuitable as a RPM
"detector" for the Aquamist system unless you program the
system at
1/3 of the desired real RPM (for example, use 1500 when 4500 RPM
are
desired).
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius3/j3-timingterminal.jpgJeff
Lucius,
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From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
To: "Team3S
List (E-mail)" <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Water Injection
Installation/Tuning Questions
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:58:17
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Preventative Maintenance on Suspension
At 07:34 PM
1/31/02 -0900, Charles J. Williams wrote:
>I must say I'm a little
disappointed. Only 1 suggestion as to some work
>that I might
include in this. No opinions on whether its needed or what
>parts
might need checking.>Would I get more responses if I insulted
somebody's
car?
>
Suspensions appear to be of little interest around here. We can
address
springs and camber plates for racing, but that's about it. I don't
recall
too many maintenance-oriented suspension discussions.
Rich/slow
old poop
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:08:15
-0700
From: Wayne <
whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 15g Fitment
O.K., My main concern is the shaft size. I found a
place that sells the
wheels and housings by themselves, but they told me the
13/15g's shaft I.D.
is larger than the stock 9b shaft. Anybody know
otherwise? I just hate to
spend $1700 on a set of turbos if i can get the
parts separately and have
the units balanced locally for half the
price..........
Wayne
At 10:15 PM 1/31/2002 -0500, WALTER D. BEST
wrote:
>I haven't gotten a set myself but they are in my future
plans. However as I
>understand the 15G's are just different
impeller and propeller in the same
>TD-04 housing as the stock 9B's, you
should have any problems
>
>Dave Best
>Polishing/Powder
coating and spark plug
plates:
>http://198.107.57.88/3S/DBest/
>
>----- Original
Message -----
>From: "Wayne" <
whietala@prodigy.net>
>To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:55 PM
>Subject: Team3S: 15g
Fitment
>
> > Hello,
> > I was wondering if anybody knew
if the 15g wheel and housing will mount up
> > to the Stock
cartridge?
> > Is there a fitment issue with the shaft diameter, or
anything else?
> > Does anybody have a set of 15g's complete for
sale?
> >
> > Wayne
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:12:16
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny parts
Like Todd S. I have a complete set of 5-spd
synchros thanks to Jack
T's efforts years ago. They can be seen on my web
page below.
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius/2-AWD4.htmThe
part that is sold by Kormex and others is the ring. The sleeves,
hubs, and
cones are not available that I know of. Gears come in sets
and one of the set
is welded or otherwise part of either the input or
intermediate
shaft.
Just looking at these parts, I find it hard to believe they
could
*all* be replicated dimensionally and materially for any
reasonable
cost when only dozens might be made, perhaps even if hundreds
were
made. And there is probably no reason to. As Jim B. noted, the
rings
are wear items and they will wear out, just like a brake pad
will
wear out or a clutch disc will wear out. Making the base out of
a
stronger material will not solve the "problem". The synchros
work
because of their surface treatment. And they wear out what we
might
call "prematurely" probably because of the design and perhaps
more
commonly because of "abuse".
I cannot see how it makes any
business sense at all for Mitsubishi to
prevent the sale of these internal
trany parts for our cars and
transmissions that are no longer in production.
I mean it is not like
Mitsu actually makes these parts. They are preventing
others from
selling them!
Jeff Lucius,
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From: "noble" <
nketo@sympatico.ca>
To: "Thomas Jeys"
<
tj@jeys.net>; "Team 3s" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2002 2:06 AM
Subject: Team3S: Tranny
parts
Thomas,
I agree with the way you're thinking; a complete
synchro set
replacement that is better engineered than factory will likely
solve
a lot of shifting issues. Is titanium a better metal for a
synchro
than the factory brass/steel (guessing here)?
The rest (Ie.
hardened output shafts, etc), Kormex supplies.
Regards,
Noble
-
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From: Thomas Jeys <
tj@jeys.net>
To: Team 3s <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:12 PM
Subject: Team3S: Tranny
Wars!!!
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:15:27
-0500
From: "alan92rttt" <
a92rttt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 15g Fitment
There is more to making a 15g that just replacing
parts. The entire housing
has to be machined for the 15g wheels to
fit.
Having a local shop dothat does not do this on a regular basis do
the work,
is not something I'd do.
Alan
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Wayne" <
whietala@prodigy.net>
> I just
hate to> spend $1700 on a set of turbos if i can get the parts
>
separately and have the units balanced locally for half
the
price..........
>
> Wayne
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:24:44
-0700
From: Wayne <
whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 15g Fitment
Could you elaborate on "entire housing"?
I would
be replacing the compressor housing along with the wheel.
I know there is
typically an area on center housing behind the wheel that
has a indentation
the size of the wheel.
Is this what you are talking
about?
Wayne
At 10:15 AM 2/1/2002 -0500, alan92rttt
wrote:
>There is more to making a 15g that just replacing parts. The
entire housing
>has to be machined for the 15g wheels to
fit.
>
>Having a local shop dothat does not do this on a regular
basis do the work,
>is not something I'd
do.
>
>Alan
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wayne"
<
whietala@prodigy.net>
>
> I just hate to> spend $1700 on a set of turbos if i can get the
parts
> > separately and have the units balanced locally for half
the
>price..........
> >
> > Wayne
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:24:47
-0500
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: New-style lifters
Thank you, Jim. I think I will still get
those lifters and replace then
when I do my 60K service in about a year or
so.
Something weird is going on with our list. I do not receive all of
the
emails that get posted. I sent an email from home yesterday and never
saw
it posted, but I got a reply today nevertheless.
Cool!
Philip
-
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"fastmax"
<
fastmax@cox.net> wrote:
According
to caps the new design was in 97.
Yes they can be replaced w/o removing
the cams --- they make a tool
to depress the valve and then pop the lifter
out. The 'tool' is pretty
simple, you could probably use a heel
bar.
The CD manual has a description.
IMHO --- if it ain't broke
don't fix it.
Jim
Berry
=================================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Philip V Glazatov" <
gphilip@umich.edu>
| Hey guys, you
might have heard already that Paul Butkiewicz
| <
3S@DiabloEnterprises.com> is
setting up a really cheap group buy for
| new-style lifters, only $8 per
lifter. They supposedly do not tick as
| much. I am wondering when these new
style lifters started coming stock on
| our cars? I have a '95 TT with
relatively low mileage and my ticking is
| pretty rare and I am wondering if
I already have those lifters in my
| engine.
|
| Also, is it possible
to replace them with the help of some fixture
without
| having to remove
camshafts? Thanks?
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:33:48
-0800
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
I'd try to pull out a few 100 pounds first.
>From:
"Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
>track
>Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:21:12 -0600
>
>Our
stock spring rates run about 200#/in. My son and I have been
running
>the Eibachs springs provided by Ground Control which are 550#/in
(we are
>pretty sure). A couple of weeks ago, I had an advanced instructor
(that I
>respect) ride with me and he said my springs were still too soft,
and
>suggested maybe 100 - 200 #/in more stiffness or stiffer
shocks. He said
>the antisway bars I am adding will not affect what
he is criticizing,i.e.
>is
>diving and rearing.
>
>What
is everybody else using for spring rates and shocks? Please
specify
>track or drag strip - I wonder if these will be
different.
>
>Thanks, Chuck
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:31:26
-0800
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
Right on... The nice thing about having a
'91 is the 5 spd, much less
"glass" than the 6 speed. =) And a whole hell of
a lot cheaper if it breaks.
Are 3/S 6-spd trannies "glass"?
YES!!! But what does this mean? Well it
does NOT mean that you
cannot pump ungodly ammounts of power through it.
It's AWD, and very
heavy (yes 3800 lbs is VERY HEAVY). the solution to
avoid breaking the
tranny... EASY.. drive it like an AWD drag car!!! IE
modulate the
clutch and your tranny should NEVER undergo expensive surgery.
This is
really only a major issue when in stop and go situations... you can
beat on
the tranny more when the car is in motion... though 7K downshifts
should be
done on the clutch NOT the tranny.
The oldest saying in AWD racing...
(and other racing) burn the clutch, save
the tranny.
Nuff
said-
>From:
apedenko@attbi.com>To: "xwing"
<
xwing@wi.rr.com>
>CC: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
>Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:34:29
+0000
>
>Wow! who did what to deserve that slap in the face?
Why
>does everyone find it necessary to take everything
so
>personal? You've never broken a transaxle? Great!
>Congrats! But
you don't have to split the thing in half
>to have to spend lots of time
and money fixing it.
>
>I for one happen to agree with Jeff. Our
cars _are_
>heavier than our competitors. There _is_ a
smaller
>aftermarket for us and most importantly, our
trannies
>_are_ a weak link. I have a stock vr4 with 69k on
it.
>I've already had the tranny re-sealed because it was
>leaking
and am right now looking at either completely
>rebuilding it, or replacing
it because it grinds in the
>first three gears. Are our cars inferior? No.
Are they
>great cars? Yes. Do we have anybody turning 9s at
the
>strip? You tell me. The fastest I've heard a 3/s go was
>Matt
Monet's at just under 11. The fastest DSM i heard
>of was a RWD Talon
puling something like a 7.xx. Our
>cars are great, if you do something
like Geoff and pull
>out a _lot_ of weight. Then we'll get down
there.
>
>Regardless of all of this - I thought this was a
no-
>flame list? What gives? Do people have to watch their
>opinions
for fear of getting b*tch-slapped? Geez!
>
>
Alex
>
>'95 VR4 w/ a busted tranny.
> > CORRECTION:
>
>
> > I HAVE _N E V E R_ BROKEN A TRANSAXLE
IN EITHER OF MY 3000GT VR4's.
> >
> > N. E. V. E. R.
>
>
> > I have worn out the 1-2 upshift synchro two times in the 8+
years of
>owning
> > 3000GT's, and have had to change the
aluminum xfer case on my 93 twice.
> > Whoa, hold me back, all the
tranny breakages I've had. Total: Zero.
> >
> >
BTW, Jeff, if they are so glass-trannied, overweight, failure prone,
>barely
> > able to cope, cruisers only, and the [smart person]
would race a DSM
> > instead, feel free to leave the Team 3S list and
goto the "Fat Cruiser
>3S
> > Bitch-About-Stuff Who Would Rather
Race A DSM List".
> >
> > Team 3S is specifically for those
who DO race the cars. Need I call on
>the
> >
administrators to confirm this?
> > On the other hand, maybe there is a
market for unconstructive insults
>here
> > too. I could
be wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original
Message ----- (mercifully snipped)
> > From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
> > To: "Team3s
Tech List"
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
> > Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
> > > the DSM guys have multiple cars
in 8s
> > > and 9s with stock driveline while we've only got two
failure prone
>cars
> > > that barely run 10s.
> >
> It's not a 3S eliminating single turbo Supras from Street Class
IDRA
> > drags, is it?
> > > We're the ones with the
overweight car that has a
> > > glass tranny that can barely cope
with STOCK power output.
> > > My Stealth is my cruiser.
When/if I build a race car, it will be a
>DSM.
> > > Jeff
V.1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:52:56
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the track
Pulling out a
few hundred pounds is a non trivial exercise --- It's easy if you
don't care
about comfort or function. Replacing the seats with aftermarket
'race' seats
can save about 70# but costs $1200. The spare tire and jack are
probably
another 40# and the rear seat is only 25# or so. Another grand will
get
some aftermarket wheels [ low end stuff like the RP01's ] that save
another
40#. Carbon fiber hood and driveshaft --- about 30# each and about
$1600
total. 235# and $4000 later you've made a dent in the weight problem.
After
that it gets tougher --- now you're talking A/C, rear wipers,
interior, carbon
fiber doors [ they'll be here one day ], Titanium cat back
exhaust [ $2400, from
GT-pro
].
Jim
Berry
=================================================
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Message -----
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2002 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: new public opinion
poll on springs and shocks for the track
| I'd try to pull out a few
100 pounds first.
| >From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
|
>To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st|
>
| >Our stock spring rates run about 200#/in. My son and I have
been running
| >the Eibachs springs provided by Ground Control which are
550#/in (we are
| >pretty sure). A couple of weeks ago, I had an advanced
instructor (that I
| >respect) ride with me and he said my springs were
still too soft, and
| >suggested maybe 100 - 200 #/in more stiffness or
stiffer shocks. He said
| >the antisway bars I am adding will not
affect what he is criticizing,i.e.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:42:37
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From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <
dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Gauge faces
Well after 4 hours my dashboard is out and so are my center
gauges! I was
unable to use Keith's instructions for removing the
center gauges w/o
removing the dash because my hands weren't small enough to
get back there :(
My question is with regard to the stop pins for the
gauge needles.....since
the aftermarket ones I bought from NRAuto don't have
any stop pins (they say
to use the stock ones) and the stop pins in the stock
gauge faces are
attached and not easily removable, what has anyone used for
stop pins for
the gauge needles? Did you use the stock pins? How
did you remove them?
Also, assuming I have to recalibrate the needles
(worst case scenario), how
do I go about doing so?
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:25:51
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From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
Front and rear bumpers are heavy... easy way to reduce weight.. you
can
always remove material from the bumpers if you want to keep them
somewhat
functional.
>From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
>To: "Jamie
Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>, <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
>track
>Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:52:56 -0800
>
>Pulling
out a few hundred pounds is a non trivial exercise --- It's easy if
>you
>don't care about comfort or function. Replacing the seats
with aftermarket
>'race' seats can save about 70# but costs $1200. The
spare tire and jack
>are
>probably another 40# and the rear
seat is only 25# or so. Another grand
>will
>get some aftermarket
wheels [ low end stuff like the RP01's ] that save
>another
>40#.
Carbon fiber hood and driveshaft --- about 30# each and about
$1600
>total. 235# and $4000 later you've made a dent in the weight
problem. After
>that it gets tougher --- now you're talking A/C, rear
wipers, interior,
>carbon
>fiber doors [ they'll be here one day ],
Titanium cat back exhaust [ $2400,
>from
>GT-pro
].
>
> Jim
Berry
>=================================================
>-----
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>From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
>To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2002 7:33 AM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: new public opinion
poll on springs and shocks for the
>track
>
>
>|
>| I'd try to pull out a few 100
pounds first.
>
>|
>| >From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>|
>To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>|
>
>| >Our stock spring rates run about 200#/in. My son and I
have been
>running
>| >the Eibachs springs provided by Ground
Control which are 550#/in (we are
>| >pretty sure). A couple of weeks
ago, I had an advanced instructor (that
>I
>| >respect) ride
with me and he said my springs were still too soft, and
>| >suggested
maybe 100 - 200 #/in more stiffness or stiffer shocks. He
>said
>| >the antisway bars I am adding will not affect what he
is
>criticizing,i.e.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:20:34
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From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Gauge faces
In an attempt to change the backlight color from
amber to white I sanded off
the orange film on the back of the stock
gauges. On one of them I must have
sanded the area over the stop pin
too much because it came off. So you
could try sanding that area until
it comes loose.
This is a long shot, but while I'm on the subject, does
anyone know a good
place to buy a custom set of gauges that look like stock,
do not have the
orange film, but do have a diffuser material to spread the
light evenly?
I wasn't careful enough when sanding off my stock ones and
I scratched the
front side some. Also, after sanding I lost the
diffuser material too, so
the light isn't as evenly spread.
As for
recalibration, I installed the instrument panel without the plastic
cover, so
I could adjust the needles while driving. I used a GPS unit to
set my
cruise control at a certain speed then adjusted the needles
while
driving.
For RPM you could use a scan
tool.
Christopher
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Black, Dave (ICT)
>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:43 AM
> To:
'stealth@starnet.net'; Team3s
(E-mail)
> Subject: Team3S: Gauge faces
>
> How did you remove
them?
>
> Also, assuming I have to recalibrate the needles (worst
case
> scenario), how
> do I go about doing so?
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:07:58
-0800 (PST)
From: David Margrave <
davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Wars!!!
Has anyone here got a rockwell hardness
tester? J&L industrial has one
that the put on sale for $600 or so
from time to time (I think it's
normally over $1,000).
On Fri, 1 Feb
2002, Darren Schilberg wrote:
> How much are synchros worth and how
much are gears worth when broken?
> Mine was replaced under warranty so
the $5,000 "Tranny, etc." was just
> one lump sum and not itemized since
it was all included.
>
> Long story short, bolts in some things are
made to shear off and save
> the expensive part like a law mower
engine. A little brass bolt will
> shear since it takes less force
to break this $0.34 part than it does
> the $350 engine.
>
>
So aren't the synchros *supposed* to break off first and cost only a few
>
hundred from Kormex instead of blowing a gear (how much do they cost?)
>
or even the whole tranny? Just a thought. Don't go making the
synchros
> tempered, cryo-treated, heat treated, etc. to the Nth degree as
it might
> not be the way it was meant to be done.
>
>
Another story non-tech related from a teacher in college for interested
>
parties. Email me offline. Very real life story and scary to see
how
> this happens for real.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4
and owner of the not-so-coveted "Broken 2-3 Synchro" award
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Jeys
> Sent: Thursday,
January 31, 2002 22:27
>
> Yeah, your right. I just
phrased it wrong. I said "our drive line
> (speaking in terms of
rotational mass) is a lot heavier than most" I
> guess
> that's no
excuse for our sychros to die, but the main point is can a
> stronger
sychro be built. I'm sure it cam be done, but has anyone tryed
>
it?
> Can I get one? If not, then I want to build it.
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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:48:17
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From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Wars!!!
Wait a minute...did somebody say they solved
the leaky transmission
problem? My new 6 speed Getrag has been spewing
fluid out the top vent
almost since it was put in. Satan installed the
o-fficial Mitsu fix (which
didn't work, of course), so I have been leaving
embarassing puddles
everywhere I go. Is there a solution? I'd go for a
catch can, if it would
stop the spewing.
Rich/94 VR4/on its 2nd
Getrag.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:11:51
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Seat Weight
In the FWIW arena, not quite as entertaining as the
occasional
confrontation, I pulled my passenger seat out a while back.
It weighed in
at a portly 70lbs. To thinks this is for the non-powered
passenger seat.
Pulling both seats and replaceing them with any reasonably
light racing seat
must be worth 100lbs. minimum.
I'm ready for a group buy
on seats!
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:13:42
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Underdrive Pulleys
Can anyone comment on the
effectiveness/reliability of underdrive pulleys
for out cars. I know
Dynamic Racing makes them sound like the best thing
since boost
controllers.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:31:55
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Wars!!!
I was referring to leaking at the seams --- while
expensive [ you probably have
to pull the tranny ] almost any
competent shop could do it, no parts required.
For that matter if you tighten
down the bolts clean the surface you could
put some RTV on the seams and
stop most leaks --- the tranny isn't pressurized.
Leaking out the vent
has to be pretty unusual --- it almost has to be installed
incorrectly or
cracked. Drive on out to Californy and I'll take a look at it.
Jim
berry
==================================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: "Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
|
Wait a minute...did somebody say they solved the leaky transmission
|
problem? My new 6 speed Getrag has been spewing fluid out the top
vent
| almost since it was put in. Satan installed the o-fficial Mitsu fix
(which
| didn't work, of course), so I have been leaving embarassing
puddles
| everywhere I go. Is there a solution? I'd go for a catch can,
if it would
| stop the spewing.
|
| Rich/94 VR4/on its 2nd
Getrag.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:35:13
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Seat Weight
There's one going on at 3SI.com I think.
Maybe I'm
stronger than I think but that sounds high for a passanger seat.
If the
passanger seat weighs 70 then the drivers seat weighs 110.
Jim
Berry
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- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
To: "Team 3S"
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: Team3S: Seat Weight
| In
the FWIW arena, not quite as entertaining as the occasional
| confrontation,
I pulled my passenger seat out a while back. It weighed in
| at a
portly 70lbs. To thinks this is for the non-powered passenger seat.
|
Pulling both seats and replaceing them with any reasonably light racing
seat
| must be worth 100lbs. minimum.
| I'm ready for a group buy on
seats!
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:07:37
-0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Seat Weight
Are you sure about the passenger seat
weight? I think the power driver's
seat might be 70 pounds, but I don't
remember the passenger seat being that
heavy. Or maybe I just possess
herculean strength! :)
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: bdtrent [mailto:bdtrent@netzero.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 01,
2002 3:12 PM
> To: Team 3S
> Subject: Team3S: Seat Weight
>
> In the FWIW arena, not quite as entertaining as the occasional
>
confrontation, I pulled my passenger seat out a while back.
> It
weighed in
> at a portly 70lbs. To thinks this is for the
non-powered
> passenger seat.
> Pulling both seats and replaceing
them with any reasonably
> light racing seat
> must be worth
100lbs. minimum.
> I'm ready for a group buy on seats!
>
>
Regards,
> DaveT/92TT
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:58:42
-0500
From: "Robert Booker" <
nsubooker@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
FWIW, The FWD Automatic S/3 cars and the
turbo FWD DSM's use the same
tranny, but the electrical is different and the
DSM's have a slightly taller
differential gearset.
Matt
3/Si
#311
'93 R/T NA
'00 Intrepid
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:59:53
-0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Underdrive Pulleys
Many posts on the UDP --- check the archives, here and
3SI.com.
I'll have to go with the conservatives here --- the big issue
is: the UDP
being offered by dynamic does not have an integral harmonic
dampener.
The stock unit is more than a pulley, it also dampens the ringing
in the
crankshaft --- Mitsu and many other manufacturers think it's
important.
Buscher racing [ sp ] sells one with a damper but the cost is
much higher.
In terms of performance --- if you cut most of the claims in
half you'd
probably be closer to the truth. IMHO, it's use is reserved for
those
trying to get into the
10's
Jim
Berry
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- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
| Can
anyone comment on the effectiveness/reliability of underdrive pulleys
| for
out cars. I know Dynamic Racing makes them sound like the best thing
|
since boost controllers.
|
| Regards,
| DaveT/92TT
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