Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Thursday, January 31 2002
Volume 01 : Number
741
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Date:
Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:50:02 -0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Need ECU from a 95 vr-4 or md #192588
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Dustin Lenz <
dustin_lenz@hotmail.com>
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:34 PM
Subject: Team3S: Need ECU from a 95 vr-4
or md #192588
>First thanks to all who responded to my questions
regarding my
"transmission
>nonsense". I changed the fluid and
yes, the 2nd gear syncro problem still
>exists. I am ready for
war.
>
>Now, I'm looking for an ECU which can be modified since I
was told by Matt
@
>DR that my 97 cannot. He also told me that my
stock boost gauge will not
>work once I get the older ECU and upgrade
it. Are there any other options
>out there? Anyone who has replaced
the three stock gauges? I really don't
>like the idea of a gauge in my
dash which does not work. He told me that I
>should get about 15
HP. Is this accurate? Lastly, does anyone have the ECU
>I can
buy?
You're not alone - *none* of our stock boost gauges
work
properly. That should be the first mod before
increasing boost since
the stock gauge will always
peg out - regardless of max boost. There
are at least
20 different aftermarket boost gauges to choose from
-
including some nice peek and hold with warning on them.
You can slap
one on your A pillar using a cup
in about 30 min - a bit longer to wire
something
like a Greddy peak/hold ....
- - tds
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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:12:43
-0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <
tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Diagnosing knock vs. spark blowout?
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Black, Dave (ICT) <
dblai@allstate.com>
To: 'Todd
D.Shelton' <
tds@brightok.net>
Cc:
Team3s (E-mail) <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Monday, January 28, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Diagnosing knock vs.
spark blowout?
>Todd,
>
>I still have stock fuel
system. Also, I have a 95VR4 and as I have been
>told, I'm not able
to use TMO or any type of datalogging for that
matter....
>
>Any
other thoughts?
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As
long as your plugs are gapped down,
I believe you are seeing fuel cut
since
the worst knock levels at that boost
pressure would only be moderate
at
best - not enough to cause the problems
you describe.
- -
tds
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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:24:28
-0800
From: David Margrave <
davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Info on Getrag Transmisiions
How many mechanical engineers and
machinists do we have on the list? Maybe we
should get a pool together
to buy one of the darn things new, take it apart and
reverse engineer
it.
> If you have $20,000 - $30,000 you could have one of the rally
tranny shops
> make something for you. It probably won't have
angle-cut gears or other
> niceties like synchronizers, and it'll make a
lot of noise. For that kind
> of money, you might as well buy
another 3/S or two for tranny donors.
>
> If we could just get
internal parts for our trannies then at least when they
> do break the
costs would be more reasonable. Once we can get parts, then
>
there's the possibility of having improved versions of those parts made
by
> others.
>
> If you really wanted to get rid of the Getrag
for whatever reason, you could
> look at something like the EVO-VII
tranny, or the DSM AWD tranny. At least
> you can get parts for
those... It probably won't just bolt up, but at least
> you'll have
a similar design and it'll be "close" to start with.
>
>
-Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:03:54
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Info on Getrag Transmisiions
Incidentally, my cousin (second
cousin I think but I'm originally from
West Virginia so he might be my own
Grandfather ... apologies to those
who don't know the song) ... my cousin
rally races in the Canadian
series (1. it is cheaper to burn Canadian dollars
than US, 2. the entry
list is fewer so you have more time in the spotlight,
3. you get to
drive in snow for about 5 of the 8 rallies of the year, 4. you
get to
put on over 30k miles just GETTING to the rally ...).
He is the
co-driver for a Talon. A year or so ago we were thinking how
fun it
would be to get a sequential tranny from Ralliart or Mitsu
overseas from
their rally teams off an Evo or Lancer or something. A
good tranny
around here for rallying was approx stated below ...
$20k-$40k depending on
what goodies and how many spare parts you got
with it. The sequential
tranny was posted as "not for sale" (after I
personally bugged a shop in
England for more details) then he added,
"Even if it WERE for sale I doubt
you would be willing to pay $100,000
for just one tranny and no spare
parts." The phone call ended just
about then.
Incidentally, they
sold their Talon and have a new car ... that son of a
%$&*@# didn't tell
me either ... it's a Mitsu Evo IV. Now I'll have to
go visit and ask
for a test drive.
http://www.relentlessrallysport.com/-
--Flash!
1995 VR-4 and gladly willing to take something apart as long as I'm
not
responsible for getting it back together or making sure there are
no
nuts and bolts leftover
- -----Original Message-----
From: David
Margrave
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 02:24
How many mechanical
engineers and machinists do we have on the list?
Maybe we should get a pool
together to buy one of the darn things new,
take it apart and reverse
engineer it.
> If you have $20,000 - $30,000 you could have one of the
rally tranny
shops
> make something for you. It probably won't
have angle-cut gears or
other
> niceties like synchronizers, and it'll
make a lot of noise. For that
kind
> of money, you might as well
buy another 3/S or two for tranny donors.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:48:40
-0500
From: "Tom Terflinger" <
terflit@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
For what its worth... I was told by my local
performance shop (Passen
Motorsports) that we are able to swap out our
tranny for an identical one
from a AWD Talon or Eclipse. The guy behind the
counter also said he has 1
each Talon and Eclipse and he has ordered new
tranny's for $2,500.00 that he
swore would work in our cars. He did mention
his friend works for a mitsu
dealer so he got some kind of discount but
opposed to the $6,000 I was
quoted for a new tranny this seams like a
steal.
Oh yeah, just recieved my VR4 idenity kit and it looks pretty
good!
Tom
92 VR4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:32:08
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
I know many things fit on our cars from the
DSM side of things (BOV, air
filter, etc.) but I would just be wary of
putting upwards of 300 hp to a
tranny that is meant for a much smaller
torque, smaller gears I think,
and trying to run a machine like ours. I
know those AWD Talons are
modded to over 450hp also but something just tells
me that putting a
lower-model tranny on our car is just not something a
tranny shop would
do willingly.
I'm interested to hear if someone does
it but I don't think I'll pay
much attention to it. You don't hear some
of us downgrading to a lower
model's clutch and flywheel to save weight you
realize ... they stay the
same beef but change material to make it lighter
(Fidanza, Bozz Speed,
etc.).
How about putting DSM wheels on our cars
to save weight? Maybe but
remember that their cars do not weigh over
4,200 pounds and get the
weight of most of that (about 3,200 or so) landing
on the front wheels
at 140 mph on a road course either.
-
--Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tom
Terflinger
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 08:49
For what its
worth... I was told by my local performance shop (Passen
Motorsports) that
we are able to swap out our tranny for an identical
one
from a AWD Talon
or Eclipse. The guy behind the counter also said he has
1
each Talon and
Eclipse and he has ordered new tranny's for $2,500.00
that he
swore would
work in our cars. He did mention his friend works for a
mitsu
dealer so
he got some kind of discount but opposed to the $6,000 I was
quoted for a
new tranny this seams like a steal.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:53:18
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
> I know many things fit on our cars
from the DSM side of
> things (BOV, air filter, etc.) but I would just be
wary of
> putting upwards of 300 hp to a tranny that is meant for a
> much smaller torque, smaller gears I think, and trying to run
>
a machine like ours. I know those AWD Talons are modded to
> over
450hp also but something just tells me that putting a
> lower-model
tranny on our car is just not something a tranny
> shop would do
willingly.
I agree with most of your points... A Stock DSM tranny
likely wouldn't last
very long on most of the cars on this list. A 450
HP DSM is still "higher
than average" on the mods list of most of their
folks, but it is more
commonplace on this List. Their cars also weigh
about 3200 pounds versus
our 3700 or so. DSM trannies tend to grenade
the spider gears in the center
diff on hard launchs and/or high powered
cars. The transfer cases also have
some "issues" at
times.
Having said that though, the DSM world can get parts...
Parts that include
Cusco 4-spider center diffs, the EVO's stronger shift
forks, better
replacement synchros, some amount of gear ratio selection (by
combining
parts from DSM and Galant VR4 trannies), and if you are able to
find one -
switchable FWD/AWD on some Japanese trannies (also from
G-VR4?).
Some of those options are pretty compelling. "Downgrading"
to a 5-speed is
maybe less compelling, but at least on my car 6th gear is
pretty useless
anyway.
Just as an FYI though, the DSM guys think their
trannies are just as junk as
ours - only they can get parts. I was able
to turn the primary gears in my
GSX tranny into powder with only around
300-325 HP (but a REALLY strong
clutch).
I have access to my old spare
DSM tranny, and my motor is still out. If I
can get it to my house in
the next few weeks I might try just bolting it up
to see if this is even
remotely feasable.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:07:31
EST
From:
ARPCAxPREZ@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
Chrome wheels
Hi,
My first post.
My friend just bought a 98
3000GTSL.....with 36,000 mi. It has the 17"
chrome wheels, but on all
4 wheels the outside rim is seriously bubbling and
the chrome is ready to
peel/flake off. The chrome on the wheel centers look
fine. Did
the factory ever have a recall on these bad chrome wheels ? What
have
you guys done to correct the problem ? Really appreciate the
help......the car is awesome.....but the wheels are a problem.
Performance
upgrades are next :)
Thanks,
Bradley
Blumfeldt
Pittsburgh PA
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:17:47
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Chrome wheels
Hey -- finally another owner from Pittsburgh,
PA. Welcome to the club,
Bradley and friends. I happen to have
the 1997-1999 SL 17" wheels for
my track wheels and have the same problem
except it is not a problem
since these are the track and winter wheels so
appearance is not that
critical to me.
Remember that the center cap is
plastic and the rim itself it metal.
Why does it flake so badly though?
Because Mitsu is a car company and
not an aftermarket chrome shop.
Chrome shops make lousy cars by the
way. <snicker> Most
chrome shops can make the wheels look spotless but
it costs a bit of money
too.
Bradley, feel free to contact me off list and stop over and see
the
wheels. I just changed the winter wheels for the summer tread since
we
won't be getting much more from Ol' Man Winter but I'll be happy
to
drive one or two over your way for inspection.
- --Flash!
1995
VR-4
Pittsburgh, PA
- -----Original Message-----
From:
ARPCAxPREZ@aol.comSent: Thursday,
January 31, 2002 10:08
My friend just bought a 98 3000GTSL.....with
36,000 mi. It has the 17"
chrome wheels, but on all 4 wheels the
outside rim is seriously bubbling
and
the chrome is ready to peel/flake
off. The chrome on the wheel centers
look
fine. Did the
factory ever have a recall on these bad chrome wheels ?
What
have you
guys done to correct the problem ? Really appreciate the
help......the
car is awesome.....but the wheels are a problem.
Performance
upgrades are
next :)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:45:13
-0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
You know Darren, normally I'd agree with you but this
isn't some Honda we're
talking about here. Keep in mind the DSM guys
have multiple cars in the 8s
and 9s with the stock driveline while we've only
got two failure prone cars
that barely run 10s. My car came with a
transmission that is 95% identical
to the DSM transmission and so far it's
the only part of the driveline that
I haven't replaced. 140,xxx miles,
300+ hp and still going strong.
I just wouldn't go calling them the
"lesser car" when they've set more
records than we have, have got more
respect than we have (It's not a 3S
eliminating single turbo Supras from
Street Class IDRA drags, is it?) and 3x
the aftermarket we have. We're
the ones with the overweight car that has a
glass tranny that can barely cope
with STOCK power output.
My Stealth is my cruiser. When/if I build
a race car, it will be a DSM.
Jeff V.
1991 Stealth ESX Twin
Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Darren Schilberg
Sent:
Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:32 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
I know many things fit on our cars from
the DSM side of things (BOV, air
filter, etc.) but I would just be wary of
putting upwards of 300 hp to a
tranny that is meant for a much smaller
torque, smaller gears I think,
and trying to run a machine like ours. I
know those AWD Talons are
modded to over 450hp also but something just tells
me that putting a
lower-model tranny on our car is just not something a
tranny shop would
do willingly.
I'm interested to hear if someone does
it but I don't think I'll pay
much attention to it. You don't hear some
of us downgrading to a lower
model's clutch and flywheel to save weight you
realize ... they stay the
same beef but change material to make it lighter
(Fidanza, Bozz Speed,
etc.).
How about putting DSM wheels on our cars
to save weight? Maybe but
remember that their cars do not weigh over
4,200 pounds and get the
weight of most of that (about 3,200 or so) landing
on the front wheels
at 140 mph on a road course either.
-
--Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tom
Terflinger
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 08:49
For what its
worth... I was told by my local performance shop (Passen
Motorsports) that we
are able to swap out our tranny for an identical
one
from a AWD Talon or
Eclipse. The guy behind the counter also said he has
1
each Talon and
Eclipse and he has ordered new tranny's for $2,500.00
that he
swore would
work in our cars. He did mention his friend works for a
mitsu
dealer so he
got some kind of discount but opposed to the $6,000 I was
quoted for a new
tranny this seams like a steal.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:52:55
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
I've been considering buying a rebuilt
tranny for my Talon from TRE
(
http://www.teamrip.com/transmissions.html).
They not only rebuild DSMs,
they make lots of parts. Maybe we should talk to
them about building parts
for our cars. They certainly seem to know WTF they
are doing. I especially
like the mod for people who want to spin their tires
in 3rd gear. Here are
a few excerpts from their web
site:
_____________
Modified double synchro 2nd gearset. (What good
is AWD if you can't get
into 2nd gear? Now you can gab 2nd gear like a
crazy man all day and never
be embarrassed in front of your competition.
)
Steel shift forks. (Your stock forks are Aluminum and we can
replace them
with modified steel shift forks that hold up to the abuse of
racing.)
GVR-4 1st gear. (About 6mph taller than DSM and stronger
teeth on 1st gear.)
Race 1st & 2nd gear. (1st should go
to about 40mph @ 7500rpm. If you are
breaking your stock DSM 1st or 2nd
gear you'll want to use this. All gears
have beefy teeth and are
much stronger than the DSM gears.)
Heavy duty 3rd/4th gearset.
(93.5 - 99 DSM beware of sending 3rd gear home
without this mod. Most
won't need this upgrade but if you're trying to
spin the tires in 3rd you
should opt for this upgrade.)
4 Spider center differential. (Much
stronger than the stock 2 spider C-diff
or a 4 spider that is using a stock
cross shaft. Why? Four load bearing
surfaces instead of
two.)
Neodynium trash magnet & oil filter. (The factory magnet
can hardly hold a
postcard on your frig. We replace it with a heavy duty
Neodynium magnet
that can easy lift an exhaust manifold. Now add the
filter and the oil
stays clean.)
TRE would like to know who wants a
taller 5th gear for the FWD & AWD manual
transmissions. Please
contact us
jon@teamrip.com We will be
offering anodizing for Aluminum parts in the future. Prices
and colors
coming soon.
Remanufactured FWD transmission with TRE mods All
89-99 DSMs
I take a factory new trans and modify it to shift better and last
longer.
I replace the weak stuff that will break with stronger parts.
Includes the
modified double synchro 2nd gear, modified synchros, steel shift
forks,
improved oil passages, neodynium trash magnet, oil filter and some
other
tricks that'll make it shift like it should have in the first place.
$2300.
Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4
92 Talon TSi
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:17:31
-0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
Hey Jeff ... I don't want to get in a DSM vs/
3/S slinging match. I
just bet 2:1 that most higher platform cars in
the same family have
stronger, beefier, more sturdy components than do their
lesser
relatives. NSX has better stuff than the Legend which is better
than
the Integra. Accord has better items than the Civic. Supra
beats out
the Celica which beats out the Corolla.
I bet that we DO
have components strong enough to hold up to stock but
many of us on here are
not happy with stock or want to push it for all
it is worth. How about
all the older grandmothers who are driving auto
or manual VR-4s and taking
them to 150k and never changing a clutch? If
you make a sports car then
people will abuse it. Nobody goes out and
breaks a Chevette because
nobody does that with them. They get a
Mustang or Camaro or Corvette if
they want to play and tinker.
And those guys have the records because
more of their cars were built,
are lighter to begin with and same AWD-style
technology, they were
cheaper to get and begin modifying ... supply and
demand. Our cars are
fewer (like 80,000 total I think?), more
expensive, and harder to find
parts for. That is a recipe for
disaster.
Don't want to sling ... just trying to clarify my point.
And I think
most everyone one the list would give up their pseudo-track 3/S
for a
Lancer anyday. It combines the nimble qualities but the
newer
components and technology. I still think we have advantages over
new
DSM cars ... do they have All-Wheel Steering for higher speed
stability?
Beats me.
And yes, if TRE can do this for DSM cars then
they can do it for ours.
I'm sure some of the DSM parts will definitely fit
and work but I don't
think I would want to push it 7/10 on a road course
knowing that I HAVE
to slow down to make that right-hand ninety. Maybe
I would work up to
it but I would hate to be downshifting from fourth to
second and have
something blow out and there I am coasting off the course at
90 mph in
neutral.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Merritt
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
10:53
I've been considering buying a rebuilt tranny for my Talon
from TRE
(
http://www.teamrip.com/transmissions.html).
They not only rebuild
DSMs,
they make lots of parts. Maybe we should talk
to them about building
parts
for our cars. They certainly seem to know WTF
they are doing. I
especially
like the mod for people who want to spin
their tires in 3rd gear. Here
are
a few excerpts from their web
site:
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:45:02
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
> I've been considering buying a
rebuilt tranny for my Talon
> from TRE (
http://www.teamrip.com/transmissions.html).
They
> not only rebuild DSMs, they make lots of parts. Maybe we
>
should talk to them about building parts for our cars. They
> certainly
seem to know WTF they are doing. I especially like
> the mod for people
who want to spin their tires in 3rd gear.
> Here are a few excerpts from
their web site: _____________
> Modified double synchro 2nd
gearset. (What good is AWD if
> you can't get into 2nd gear?
Now you can gab 2nd gear like a
> crazy man all day and never be
embarrassed in front of your
> competition. )
TRE is
well-respected in the DSM community for their tranny expertise.
You
could certainly do much worse than going to those guys. However,
most of
those parts aren't actually "made" by them. Most of them are
sourced from
DSM-compatible trannys (Galant VR4 and EVO).
Even if they
could somehow get us synchros that work, or somehow use their
double-row
second-gear synchro in the Getrag that would be a huge step
forward for
us.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:21:15
-0900
From: Charles Williams <
cwilliam@gci.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Preventative Maintenance on Suspension
Good morning from the lurker of
the north. Due to a few small iceburgs
and potholes in the roads I
find that I need to get the front end
aligned on my car. This got me
to wondering if I shouldn't do some
preventative maintenance and replace
some parts that may be close to
being worn out. The car has 86,000
miles on it. No major work, so
far. All of the suspension are
original parts. I would rather replace
them now than wait for them to
fail. With my luck they always fail
right when I need the car the
most. The parts I'm thinking about are
CV joints, ball joints,
bushings, etc.
Do any of you "experts" have an opinion? (boy, is
that a loaded
question on this board. ~smile~)
Charles
Williams
Eagle River, AK
1995 Stealth R/T Jet Black
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:26:59
-0600
From: "B Man" <
brennan_collins@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Engine smoke on decel
I have a similar problem on my '92 DOHC
N/A. After purchasing it, I took it
to a shop to fix some things, and the
guy there said my decelerating smoke
problem could be fixed by replacing the
valve guides. So I had this done,
but still the smoke appears.
So
this smoke problem may not be related to the turbos, but my situation may
differ from the one addressed.
- -Brennan
-
-------------------------------------------
A leakdown test would show if the
head gasket leaks. It would also test the
piston rings and the valve seats
but not the valve stem seals because they
do not get pressurized during this
test. I do not know a good test for
those other than replacing them. Check
for oil in the Y-pipe to eliminate a
bad
turbo.
Philip
>Could be valve stem seals --- deceleration
causes engine vacuum which
tinds
>to pull oil into the engine. A
leakdown test could give you some info as
to
the
>problem.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:29:24
-0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative
Merrit,
Any chance you would contact
them for us ?
See what it would take "volume wise" to get their
interest.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt
[mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:53
AM
To: Jannusch, Matt;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
I've been considering buying a rebuilt
tranny for my Talon from TRE
(
http://www.teamrip.com/transmissions.html).
They not only rebuild DSMs,
they make lots of parts. Maybe we should talk to
them about building parts
for our cars. They certainly seem to know WTF they
are doing. I especially
like the mod for people who want to spin their tires
in 3rd gear. Here are
a few excerpts from their web
site:
_____________
Modified double synchro 2nd gearset. (What good
is AWD if you can't get
into 2nd gear? Now you can gab 2nd gear like a
crazy man all day and never
be embarrassed in front of your competition.
)
Steel shift forks. (Your stock forks are Aluminum and we can
replace them
with modified steel shift forks that hold up to the abuse of
racing.)
GVR-4 1st gear. (About 6mph taller than DSM and stronger
teeth on 1st
gear.)
Race 1st & 2nd gear. (1st should
go to about 40mph @ 7500rpm. If you are
breaking your stock DSM 1st or
2nd gear you'll want to use this. All gears
have beefy teeth and
are much stronger than the DSM gears.)
Heavy duty 3rd/4th gearset.
(93.5 - 99 DSM beware of sending 3rd gear home
without this mod. Most
won't need this upgrade but if you're trying to
spin the tires in 3rd you
should opt for this upgrade.)
4 Spider center differential. (Much
stronger than the stock 2 spider C-diff
or a 4 spider that is using a stock
cross shaft. Why? Four load bearing
surfaces instead of
two.)
Neodynium trash magnet & oil filter. (The factory magnet
can hardly hold a
postcard on your frig. We replace it with a heavy duty
Neodynium magnet
that can easy lift an exhaust manifold. Now add the
filter and the oil
stays clean.)
TRE would like to know who wants a
taller 5th gear for the FWD & AWD manual
transmissions. Please
contact us
jon@teamrip.com We will be
offering anodizing for Aluminum parts in the future. Prices
and colors
coming soon.
Remanufactured FWD transmission with TRE mods All
89-99 DSMs
I take a factory new trans and modify it to shift better and last
longer.
I replace the weak stuff that will break with stronger parts.
Includes the
modified double synchro 2nd gear, modified synchros, steel shift
forks,
improved oil passages, neodynium trash magnet, oil filter and some
other
tricks that'll make it shift like it should have in the first place.
$2300.
Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4
92 Talon TSi
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:22:00
-0600
From: "xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
CORRECTION:
I HAVE _N E V E
R_ BROKEN A TRANSAXLE IN EITHER OF MY 3000GT VR4's.
N. E. V.
E. R.
I have worn out the 1-2 upshift synchro two times in the 8+ years
of owning
3000GT's, and have had to change the aluminum xfer case on my 93
twice.
Whoa, hold me back, all the tranny breakages I've had.
Total: Zero.
BTW, Jeff, if they are so glass-trannied, overweight,
failure prone, barely
able to cope, cruisers only, and the [smart person]
would race a DSM
instead, feel free to leave the Team 3S list and goto the
"Fat Cruiser 3S
Bitch-About-Stuff Who Would Rather Race A DSM
List".
Team 3S is specifically for those who DO race the cars. Need
I call on the
administrators to confirm this?
On the other hand, maybe
there is a market for unconstructive insults here
too. I could be
wrong.
- ----- Original Message ----- (mercifully snipped)
From: "Jeff
VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
To:
"Team3s Tech List"
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
> the DSM guys have multiple cars in 8s
> and 9s
with stock driveline while we've only got two failure prone cars
> that
barely run 10s.
> It's not a 3S eliminating single turbo Supras from
Street Class IDRA
drags, is it?
> We're the ones with the overweight
car that has a
> glass tranny that can barely cope with STOCK power
output.
> My Stealth is my cruiser. When/if I build a race car, it
will be a DSM.
> Jeff V.1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:34:29
+0000
From:
apedenko@attbi.comSubject: Re: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
Wow! who did what to deserve that slap in the face?
Why
does everyone find it necessary to take everything so
personal?
You've never broken a transaxle? Great!
Congrats! But you don't have to
split the thing in half
to have to spend lots of time and money fixing
it.
I for one happen to agree with Jeff. Our cars _are_
heavier than
our competitors. There _is_ a smaller
aftermarket for us and most
importantly, our trannies
_are_ a weak link. I have a stock vr4 with 69k on
it.
I've already had the tranny re-sealed because it was
leaking and am
right now looking at either completely
rebuilding it, or replacing it
because it grinds in the
first three gears. Are our cars inferior? No. Are
they
great cars? Yes. Do we have anybody turning 9s at the
strip? You
tell me. The fastest I've heard a 3/s go was
Matt Monet's at just under 11.
The fastest DSM i heard
of was a RWD Talon puling something like a 7.xx. Our
cars are great, if you do something like Geoff and pull
out a _lot_ of
weight. Then we'll get down there.
Regardless of all of this - I thought
this was a no-
flame list? What gives? Do people have to watch their
opinions for fear of getting b*tch-slapped? Geez!
Alex
'95 VR4 w/ a busted tranny.
> CORRECTION:
>
> I
HAVE _N E V E R_ BROKEN A TRANSAXLE IN EITHER OF MY
3000GT VR4's.
>
> N. E. V. E. R.
>
> I have worn out
the 1-2 upshift synchro two times in the 8+ years of owning
> 3000GT's,
and have had to change the aluminum xfer case on my 93 twice.
> Whoa, hold
me back, all the tranny breakages I've had. Total: Zero.
>
> BTW, Jeff, if they are so glass-trannied, overweight, failure prone,
barely
> able to cope, cruisers only, and the [smart person] would race a
DSM
> instead, feel free to leave the Team 3S list and goto the "Fat
Cruiser 3S
> Bitch-About-Stuff Who Would Rather Race A DSM List".
>
> Team 3S is specifically for those who DO race the cars. Need I
call on the
> administrators to confirm this?
> On the other hand,
maybe there is a market for unconstructive insults here
> too. I
could be wrong.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- (mercifully
snipped)
> From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
> To: "Team3s Tech
List"
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
> Subject: RE: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
> > the DSM guys have multiple cars in 8s
>
> and 9s with stock driveline while we've only got two failure prone
cars
> > that barely run 10s.
> > It's not a 3S eliminating
single turbo Supras from Street Class IDRA
> drags, is it?
> >
We're the ones with the overweight car that has a
> > glass tranny that
can barely cope with STOCK power output.
> > My Stealth is my
cruiser. When/if I build a race car, it will be a DSM.
> > Jeff
V.1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:50:42
-0600
From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
Jack (xwing) is the owner of one of the
"two failure prone cars that barely
run 10s" (he still holds the record if
I'm not mistaken) and someone who has
spend a great deal of time and money on
these cars. I can see why he would
get upset when/if his cars was
misrepresented.
Christopher
> -----Original Message-----
>
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of
apedenko@attbi.com> Sent: Thursday,
January 31, 2002 1:34 PM
> To: xwing
> Cc:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
>
>
> Wow! who did
what to deserve that slap in the face? Why
> does everyone find it
necessary to take everything so
> > > and 9s with stock
driveline while we've only got two failure
> prone cars
> > >
that barely run 10s.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:54:12
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
I think a good flame war is great
entertainment, so long as there is
technical content. This thread could
provide fuel for several really
objective FAQ technical
discussions.
1. Representing a family that has owned four VR4's,
three 1st gens with no
transmission problems, and one 2nd gen with the
dreaded grinding 1-2
synchros, I'd really like to know the actual failure
rate and failure modes
for our transmissions. Are problems limited to
the 6 speed?
2. Yeah, our cars are heavy. This leads to
discussions of weight reduction
techniques ala Brad Bedell. It leads to
discussions of consequences - like
more brake power, stiffer springs and
antisway bars, maybe stiffer shocks.
Is the weight so much that it's
inappropriate as a dragster?
3. Is it possible to get better
transmission parts custom made for our
transmissions at a reasonable
price? I think lots of inquiring minds want
to know.
As a former
GSX "Pocket Rocker" owner, I loved that car, but I would never
go back to
it. I think my VR4 is truely a grand touring car and much safer
than my
GSX.
Chuck Willis
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:04:16
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Tranny flame war
At 01:54 PM 1/31/02 -0600, Willis, Charles
E. wrote:
>I think a good flame war is great entertainment, so long as
there is
>technical content.
Actually, just hearing from Dr.
Jack T was enuf for me.
Jack, it's good to see that you are still awake
and listening to us rant.
Haven't heard from you in MONTHS.
In
case you can't tell, Jack is one of my heroes. Not cuz he's a drag
racer, but
because he may have been the first to take a 3000GT out on a
road course.
Rich/slow old poop>
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:21:12
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the track
Our
stock spring rates run about 200#/in. My son and I have been
running
the Eibachs springs provided by Ground Control which are 550#/in (we
are
pretty sure). A couple of weeks ago, I had an advanced instructor (that
I
respect) ride with me and he said my springs were still too soft,
and
suggested maybe 100 - 200 #/in more stiffness or stiffer shocks. He
said
the antisway bars I am adding will not affect what he is
criticizing,i.e. is
diving and rearing.
What is everybody else using
for spring rates and shocks? Please specify
track or drag strip - I
wonder if these will be different.
Thanks, Chuck
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:38:02
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the track
I
have the same GC setup, with 550 up front.
Our TransAm suspension guy said
the same thing as your instructor -- I need
stiffer front springs, and that
was from just looking a photo of my car
cornering. Maybe we need a group buy
on 700# springs.
Rich/slow old poop
At 02:21 PM 1/31/02 -0600, Willis,
Charles E. wrote:
>Our stock spring rates run about 200#/in. My son
and I have been running
>the Eibachs springs provided by Ground Control
which are 550#/in (we are
>pretty sure). A couple of weeks ago, I had an
advanced instructor (that I
>respect) ride with me and he said my springs
were still too soft, and
>suggested maybe 100 - 200 #/in more stiffness or
stiffer shocks.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:45:17
-0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
Chuck, Merrit,
What shocks are each of you using now
?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt
[mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:38
PM
To: Willis, Charles E.;
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for
the
track
I have the same GC setup, with 550 up front.
Our TransAm
suspension guy said the same thing as your instructor -- I need
stiffer front
springs, and that was from just looking a photo of my car
cornering. Maybe we
need a group buy on 700# springs.
Rich/slow old poop
At 02:21 PM
1/31/02 -0600, Willis, Charles E. wrote:
>Our stock spring rates run about
200#/in. My son and I have been running
>the Eibachs springs
provided by Ground Control which are 550#/in (we are
>pretty sure). A
couple of weeks ago, I had an advanced instructor (that I
>respect) ride
with me and he said my springs were still too soft, and
>suggested maybe
100 - 200 #/in more stiffness or stiffer shocks.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:46:30
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
stock ECS shocks
I think this helps a bunch in the wet to be
able to soften things a bit.
Rich are you sure your rear springs are also
550#/in?
Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Floyd, Jim [SMTP:Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
2:45 PM
> To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: RE: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks
> for
the track
>
> Chuck, Merrit,
>
> What shocks are each
of you using now ?
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:58:51
-0800
From: Chris Winkley <
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative - no more flaming!!!
OK, before this goes
any further, I, as a Team3S Admin, will step in...
We ARE NOT here to
entertain flame wars...period. If anyone wants one, go
somewhere else. If you
have questions about this, read the rules via the
link at the bottom of this
e-mail message.
Now, that being said, I think there were three reasonable
posts (Tom, Matt,
and Rich) this morning, asking questions about the use of a
Eclipse/Talon
transmission in 3000GT/Stealth. That seems like a reasonable
technical
question to me. There was also some subjective terminology about
the quality
of existing 3KGT/Stealths transmissions that added nothing of
technical
value to the set of posts.
Jack, as someone I have
personally worked with in attempting to find a
replacement vendor for 2nd
generation Getrags, responded in a rather LOUD
fashion. I'm not sure what
prompted that, but the tone also struck me as
inappropriate. However, couched
in his response, was his own technical
opinion and experience with his cars
(and I do believe Jack remains the
verified record holder with a 10.71 1/4
mile).
Sooooo, PLEASE, keep your responses constructive and oriented
towards
technical solutions (transmissions or otherwise). Thanks in
advance.
Looking forward...Chris (Team3S Admin)
1995 Glacier Pearl
White VR4 (w/custom K&N intake, bored and polished
throttle body, TEC 15G
turbos, RC 560cc injectors, HKS fuel pump, ARC2/MAF
fuel controller, Split
Second A/F meter, GReddy PRofec A boost controller,
Apex EGT & boost
gauges, GReddy turbo timer, HKS SBOV, custom intercoolers,
Odyssey dry cell
battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK double platinum plugs
gapped at .032",
ACT 2800 lb pressure plate, Broward six puck racing disc,
Centerforce
throwout bearing, ATR downpipe and test pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, Stillen
cross-drilled rotors, Porterfield R4 race pads, SS brake
lines, Eibach 1"
drop progressive springs, Michelin SX MXX3 Pilots)
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
[mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
11:54 AM
To:
'apedenko@attbi.com';
xwing
Cc:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
I think a good flame war is great
entertainment, so long as there is
technical content. This thread could
provide fuel for several really
objective FAQ technical
discussions.
1. Representing a family that has owned four VR4's,
three 1st gens with no
transmission problems, and one 2nd gen with the
dreaded grinding 1-2
synchros, I'd really like to know the actual failure
rate and failure modes
for our transmissions. Are problems limited to
the 6 speed?
2. Yeah, our cars are heavy. This leads to
discussions of weight reduction
techniques ala Brad Bedell. It leads to
discussions of consequences - like
more brake power, stiffer springs and
antisway bars, maybe stiffer shocks.
Is the weight so much that it's
inappropriate as a dragster?
3. Is it possible to get better
transmission parts custom made for our
transmissions at a reasonable
price? I think lots of inquiring minds want
to know.
As a former
GSX "Pocket Rocker" owner, I loved that car, but I would never
go back to
it. I think my VR4 is truely a grand touring car and much safer
than my
GSX.
Chuck Willis
<snip legal stuff>
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:01:24
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
A
>Rich are you sure your rear springs are also
550#/in?
No, rears are 330 or so.
Rich
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:00:56
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
Stock. I can't find anything else. Worn out, too.
Rich
At
01:45 PM 1/31/02 -0700, Floyd, Jim wrote:
>Chuck, Merrit,
>
>
What shocks are each of you using now ?
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:06:57
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks for the
track
why not just put stiffer ones in back first?
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Merritt
[SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:01
PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.; 'Floyd, Jim';
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: RE: Team3S: new public opinion poll on springs and shocks
> for
the track
>
> A
> >Rich are you sure your rear springs are
also 550#/in?
>
> No, rears are 330 or so.
>
Rich
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:14:32
-0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tranny Alternative - no more flaming!!!
Chris,
Did you
notice much difference with the bored and polished throttle
body ?
Who did
it ?
Jim
-
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris
(Team3S Admin)
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/custom K&N intake,
bored and polished
throttle body, TEC 15G turbos, RC 560cc injectors, HKS
fuel pump, ARC2/MAF
fuel controller, Split Second A/F meter, GReddy PRofec A
boost controller,
Apex EGT & boost gauges, GReddy turbo timer, HKS SBOV,
custom intercoolers,
Odyssey dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK
double platinum plugs
gapped at .032", ACT 2800 lb pressure plate, Broward
six puck racing disc,
Centerforce throwout bearing, ATR downpipe and test
pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, Stillen cross-drilled rotors, Porterfield R4
race pads, SS brake
lines, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs, Michelin SX
MXX3 Pilots)
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Date: 31 Jan 2002 16:25:43
-0500
From: John Lusk <
jlusk4@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: shop
recommendation in Research Triangle Park area for a clutch
replacement?
Hey crew, can anyone recommend (or disrecommend) a place to
get my
slipping clutch replaced in the Research Triangle Park area of
North
Carolina (preferably on the Chapel Hill side, but I probably can't
get
that specific, eh)? The local dealership (in Durham) is ok
(just
"ok"), but I'd like to find someplace a little cheaper.
(I've
already done some homework by reading old postings on this list
and I'll
probably go with the OEM clutch, since I don't compete (well,
only in traffic
when somebody's being obnoxious...).)
Thanks!
John Lusk.
'94
VR-4 (blue)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:43
-0800
From: Chris Winkley <
cwinkley@plaza.ds.adp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Bored & Polished TB
Jim...
Actually, I often wish
I had the discipline and equipment (like Roger Gerl)
to perform before and
after dyno runs with each mod I've made.
Unfortunately, the TB was added at
the same time I upgraded the fuel system
and turbos. The difference was HUGE
(once I got the A/F mix under control),
but I don't know how much could be
attributed to the TB. The work was done
by a shop in Seattle, WA but since I
purchased it from another 3KGT owner, I
can't tell you more than that.
Looking forward...Chris
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Floyd, Jim [mailto:Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
1:15 PM
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: Tranny Alternative - no more flaming!!!
Chris,
Did you
notice much difference with the bored and polished throttle
body ?
Who did
it ?
Jim
-
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris
(Team3S Admin)
1995 Glacier Pearl White VR4 (w/custom K&N intake,
bored and polished
throttle body, TEC 15G turbos, RC 560cc injectors, HKS
fuel pump, ARC2/MAF
fuel controller, Split Second A/F meter, GReddy PRofec A
boost controller,
Apex EGT & boost gauges, GReddy turbo timer, HKS SBOV,
custom intercoolers,
Odyssey dry cell battery, Magnecore 8.5mm wires, NGK
double platinum plugs
gapped at .032", ACT 2800 lb pressure plate, Broward
six puck racing disc,
Centerforce throwout bearing, ATR downpipe and test
pipe, GReddy catback
exhaust, Stillen cross-drilled rotors, Porterfield R4
race pads, SS brake
lines, Eibach 1" drop progressive springs, Michelin SX
MXX3 Pilots)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:20:23
-0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Water Injection Installation/Tuning Questions
So I'm nearing the
completion of my water injection system installation (ERL
Aquamist
2s)...
* The MF2 controller has a wire (yellow) that's supposed to
be
connected to the negative terminal of the ignition coil (in systems with
a
distributor). This wire is used to determine engine RPM.
Any
recommendations of what/where to connect this wire on a 3000GT?
*
The diagram for power relay for the water pump says that the control
line
(relay coil) should be connected to the ignition coil (+) ... again on
a
distributor-equipped system. I assume this is to ensure that
the
inductive spikes from the relay should are from more delicate
accessory
circuits. Thus I'm planning to connect it to the main
ignition wire between
the ignition switch and the coil packs (haven't
physically found it yet,
just looked at schematics). That sound like a
good idea?
* The WI system has a boost threshold, below which there will
be no
water injection. I was thinking of setting this around 7-8psi so
that I'd
have water being injected whenever the boost exceeds this
level. Since I'm
using a MAP sensor to adjust water flow rate based on
boost, I'm not
concerned about having too large a range of boost
(7psi-15+psi) over which
the water will be injected. Is 7-8psi a
reasonable boost to start injecting
water?
* Will Methanol (or Ethanol
or any other alcohol I might mix with
water 80-water/20alky in the winter to
keep it from freezing) hurt my paint
or any of the seals/stuff around my
windshield? Reason: I've built a
dual-tank system, and I'm
thinking of using the windshield washer fluid tank
as the secondary tank - I
can't use pure water in the winter, and I don't
know if water/alky sprayed on
my windshield would cause problems if I ever
need to use my windshield
washers.
- --Erik
'95 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:40:12
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From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Water Injection Installation/Tuning Questions
> *
The MF2 controller has a wire (yellow) that's supposed to be
> connected
to the negative terminal of the ignition coil (in systems with a
>
distributor). This wire is used to determine engine RPM. Any
>
recommendations of what/where to connect this wire on a 3000GT?
To the
RPM wire on the ECU harness.
> * The diagram for power relay for the
water pump says that the control
> line (relay coil) should be connected
to the ignition coil (+) ... again
on
> a distributor-equipped
system. I assume this is to ensure that the
> inductive spikes from
the relay should are from more delicate accessory
> circuits. Thus
I'm planning to connect it to the main ignition wire
between
> the
ignition switch and the coil packs (haven't physically found it yet,
>
just looked at schematics). That sound like a good idea?
To
anything that gets power when ignition on. No spikes at all there.
> *
The WI system has a boost threshold, below which there will be no
> water
injection. I was thinking of setting this around 7-8psi so that
I'd
> have water being injected whenever the boost exceeds this
level. Since
I'm
> using a MAP sensor to adjust water flow rate
based on boost, I'm not
> concerned about having too large a range of
boost (7psi-15+psi) over which
> the water will be injected. Is
7-8psi a reasonable boost to start
injecting
> water?
You have a
3d water injection system so you should start where the intake
temperature
becomes high. I've set mine to 0,85 bars or so. but it's almost
digital and
this is why the System 2s is now almost a 1S in my car. Also you
have to
fiddle around with the rpm too and I'd start to inject water at
around 4000
or so. You can go lower as full boost is already at 3000 but you
have to
design the 3d map with a tool. I used Excel and I got a nice ramp
then
:-)
>
> * Will Methanol (or Ethanol or any other alcohol I might
mix with
> water 80-water/20alky in the winter to keep it from freezing)
hurt my
paint
> or any of the seals/stuff around my windshield?
Reason: I've built a
> dual-tank system, and I'm thinking of using
the windshield washer fluid
tank
> as the secondary tank - I can't use
pure water in the winter, and I don't
> know if water/alky sprayed on my
windshield would cause problems if I ever
> need to use my windshield
washers.
No not really. Aquamist even says you can inject the winter
mixture from the
washer and it will not hurt. I wouldn't inject soap but the
winter mixture
for unfreezing contains a good amoutn of
alcohol.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:44:08
+0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Manifold question
> I wouldn't mess with that opening
cause there is a
> ring (probably some type of seal) which fits
tightly
> into that hole and a matching hole in the turbo.
Yes,
it's a tight sealing that is missing with the headers I got. I was told
to
tighten the bolts even more and use a different gasket but I did not
trust
that stuff and stayed with little modified manifolds.
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:57:34
-0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Water Injection Installation/Tuning Questions
Thanks, Roger!
> > * The MF2 controller has a wire (yellow) that's supposed
to be
> > connected to the negative terminal of the ignition coil
This
> > wire is used to determine engine RPM. Any
recommendations of
> > what/where to connect this wire on a
3000GT?
>
> To the RPM wire on the ECU harness.
Ok, that's
entirely too easy - I need something harder :-) Seriously
though, would
the engine speed check connector (passenger side of the engine
bay, near the
firewall/wiper motor) work? That would be the same thing,
right?
If not, the RPM wire on the ECU you refer to - is the same line that
goes to
the tachometer? (looks like pin 10 in the 2G cars)
> To anything
that gets power when ignition on. No spikes at all there.
Anything
conveniently close to the battery area in the engine bay? I could
run
the wire into the cabin to the ignition switch or cig. lighter circuit,
but
if there's something more convenient....
> > * Will Methanol hurt
my paint or any of the seals/stuff
> > around my windshield?
>
> No not really.
Sweet! For those who care: I
have a 1-gal front-mounted primary tank which
has an extra line tapped into
it that I will use as a fill line. When I go
to the track, I'll connect
my windshield washer hose to the fill line on the
front tank. This way,
if the low-fluid light for my front tank comes on
during a session, I can
just hit the windshield washer switch to refill my
front tank and make it
through the end of the session. Kinda like Rich with
his
brake-squirters =) If I use up 2 gal of water in a 20-minute
session,
well I guess I'm SOL ...
- --Erik
'95 VR-4
WI Pictures
coming soon when I'm done.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:39:04
-0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
I'm not going to sit here and trade insults. My
point is made. The DSMs
are very capable cars and anyone who considers
them "lesser" cars is in
denial. As for my comments about cars
breaking, Matt broke his transmission
a couple months ago during his near
record runs. You have broken engines
the last two years. This is
not an insult or a putdown. It is simply a
fact. I'm on my 3rd
engine as well, so I'm well aware of the pain involved
in that. Jack,
YOU may not have broken a transmission, but hundreds, and
maybe thousands of
people HAVE. I respect the work you've done and I admire
your
dedication. I'm sorry you take issue with what I said, but I'm
being
honest. Laying to each other, and ourselves, is
counter-productive. People
have often criticized me for things with my car,
but I don't get bent out of
shape over it.
However, I do take issue
with this list being for people who race these
cars. Let's take a show
of hands and see who on this list DOES NOT race.
Let's see how many people
avoid driving hard, much less racing, specifically
because of this weak-link
transmission. This is a TECH list. Not a RACE
list.
The
bottom line with the transmission is this. And mind you, this is
my
opinion so I'll probably get flamed for it anyway. The gearbox issue
will
not be solved. Ever. Even if Getrag/Mitsu does release parts
they will one
day declare it an end-of-life product. In 11 years no one
has ponied up the
cash to design and build a new one, so I lack the faith
that it will ever
happen. Does this mean that I dislike the car?
That I'm some sort of
self-hating 3S owner? No, not at all. I'm just
being realistic about it.
I'm not going to sit here and do a bullet point
list to justify my opinions.
If I'm going to get flamed for it, then so be
it. If I build a race car
I'll pick something that fits my budget, that
has a significant aftermarket
with qualified R&D, and is a good platform
to start with. That would be a
DSM. I'm sorry if you don't like
it, but that's your opinion and you're
entitled to it.
Jeff V.
1991
Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com- -----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of xwing
Sent: Thursday, January
31, 2002 2:22 PM
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Tranny Alternative
CORRECTION:
I HAVE _N E
V E R_ BROKEN A TRANSAXLE IN EITHER OF MY 3000GT VR4's.
N. E.
V. E. R.
I have worn out the 1-2 upshift synchro two times in the 8+
years of owning
3000GT's, and have had to change the aluminum xfer case on my
93 twice.
Whoa, hold me back, all the tranny breakages I've had.
Total: Zero.
BTW, Jeff, if they are so glass-trannied, overweight,
failure prone, barely
able to cope, cruisers only, and the [smart person]
would race a DSM
instead, feel free to leave the Team 3S list and goto the
"Fat Cruiser 3S
Bitch-About-Stuff Who Would Rather Race A DSM
List".
Team 3S is specifically for those who DO race the cars. Need
I call on the
administrators to confirm this?
On the other hand, maybe
there is a market for unconstructive insults here
too. I could be
wrong.
- ----- Original Message ----- (mercifully snipped)
From: "Jeff
VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
To:
"Team3s Tech List"
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Tranny Alternative
> the DSM guys have multiple cars in 8s
> and 9s
with stock driveline while we've only got two failure prone cars
> that
barely run 10s.
> It's not a 3S eliminating single turbo Supras from
Street Class IDRA
drags, is it?
> We're the ones with the overweight
car that has a
> glass tranny that can barely cope with STOCK power
output.
> My Stealth is my cruiser. When/if I build a race car, it
will be a DSM.
> Jeff V.1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
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