Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Wednesday, January 9 2002
Volume 01 : Number
721
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Date:
Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:30:09 -0700
From: "Thomas Jeys" <
tj@jeys.net>
Subject: Team3S: TD04 turbo
charger housing
This may be a stupid question, but is the TD04
turbocharger housing the same
housing that we have on our cars? And if so,
could we just take the
compressor wheel/turbine out of a couple DSM's and
stick em' in our car?
Seems like a good way for a really cheap and powerful
upgrade. But also
seems too easy...
Thanks!!
TJ 1992 3000GT
VR-4
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Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:53:40
-0700
From: "Thomas Jeys" <
tj@jeys.net>
Subject: Team3S: NEVER MIND
TD04 turbo charger housing
K, after a little more research I discovered
that the DSM's use a TD05
housing not the TD04 that we use. Sorry,
guess I should have done just a
little more research before I
posted.
However, since their turbos ara so much cheaper than ours to get
parts for
and can flow the kind of air I need, has anybody tried to adapt a
pair to
fit on our manifolds? Again, maybe crazy but like I said before
"These are
the thoughts that kept me out of the really good
schools".
TJ 1992 3000GT VR-4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:31:24
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Ignition problems
> Okay, it's official, my 1st gen ECM is
dead. I replaced the
> capacitors, but to no avail. It started
yesterday when it got to Satan's
> but later in the day it was dead - not
communicating at all.
Replacing the capacitors alone NEVER fixes it. You
have to clean the gunge
off the board and repair the eaten away
tracks.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:07:45
-0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L CIV" <
VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: NEVER MIND TD04 turbo charger housing
Check this threat in
the 3SI about TD05 housing:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=323ea43bcea50b44c81546e6bc2d8330&threadid=57302&highlight=td05
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=323ea43bcea50b44c81546e6bc2d8330&threadid=56705&highlight=td05
There
is a lot of information about this subject there. Search under "TD05"
or
"Turbos" and you'll get a lot of info.
Hope this
help.
Victor
'96 Pearl White VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Thomas Jeys [mailto:tj@jeys.net]
Sent: Wednesday,
January 09, 2002 2:54 AM
To: Team 3s
Subject: Team3S: NEVER MIND TD04
turbo charger housing
K, after a little more research I discovered
that the DSM's use a TD05
housing not the TD04 that we use. Sorry,
guess I should have done just a
little more research before I
posted.
However, since their turbos ara so much cheaper than ours to get
parts for
and can flow the kind of air I need, has anybody tried to adapt a
pair to
fit on our manifolds? Again, maybe crazy but like I said before
"These are
the thoughts that kept me out of the really good
schools".
TJ 1992 3000GT VR-4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:13:21
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Ignition problems
The board was in good visual condition
after the cap replacement, except for
my lousy soldering job. No
bridges, no breaks. I am thinking there is
another component failure
like a voltage regulator.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Steve Cooper [SMTP:scooper@paradise.net.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08,
2002 11:31 PM
> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ignition problems
>
>
>
> >
Okay, it's official, my 1st gen ECM is dead. I replaced the
> >
capacitors, but to no avail. It started yesterday when it got to
>
Satan's
> > but later in the day it was dead - not communicating at
all.
>
> Replacing the capacitors alone NEVER fixes it. You have to
clean the gunge
> off the board and repair the eaten away tracks.
>
> Steve
>
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:29:26
-0500
From:
AMastrangelo@giwindustries.comSubject:
Team3S: RE:ECU/surge problems
Hey All,
Last month I
replaced my ECU with a rebuild from ECU Specialist(what a
mistake that
was).The first one they sent kept my car running, but the
check engine light
stayed on and put out codes for things my car was not
equipped with(wrong
computer, one for awd).Sent me out a second one and the
car ran with the
check engine light off, but began to surge badly and then
cut off. So they
are now sending my old ecu back to me to go elsewhere. I
still have the wrong
one in my car now which most of the time runs ok. But
this morning after
driving a while, i put it in park and it started to
surge again and almost
cut off. I have taken it already to several
places.First diagnosted as a bad
throttle body, come to find out the ecu
was bad. Now i can't seem to get
anything done right t. Also, my tour/sport
light comes on sometimes and other
times it never comes on. Is it supposed
to stay on? My ASC light and cruise
light comes on when i turn it on, but
the car will not hold at a cruise
speed. Would all of these be affected by
the ECU. Can any electrical shop
check and replace the capacitors or
regulators if needed? Any help would be
more than appreciated.
Thanks,
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:27:44
-0800
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Dayco Poly Cog belt
The proper belt for a/c and Alt.
isa 45 I believe.. the 42 i think is the
one for use w/o A/C. Check
www.napaonline.com , and get the longer of
the
two alt. belts. Napa is the best place IMO for belts.. Gates
timing belts
are good for 20+K more miles between serviceing.. my neon is
OEM with a
gates.. and factory service on it is 110K miles.
I'm doing
the same thing right now... but I'm still waoting for the water
pump to get
here. (I though I wouldn't need to replace it.. but there was
some
rust spots on the impeller)
The whole service thing is a nightmare on our
TTs!!! I had to fab my own
special tool for the crank bolt... and my
own breaker bar extension!!! And
I kid you not... that crank bolt was
easily taking over 500ft/lbs to get
off!!! In fact the breaker bar was
close breaking!!! All this for a bolt
that is supposed to be torqued
to 140ft/lbs??? Makes me worry about how the
service will go if I have
to work on the transfer cases.. or hell.. even
replaceing the clutch may be
an ordeal!
>From: "Zach Sauerman" <
axemaddock@hotmail.com>
>To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
Team3S: Dayco Poly Cog belt
>Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:59:35
-0700
>
>Good evening all,
>Quick question. I had a frantic
finish to my waterpump/timing belt
>replacement last week. I was not able
to replace the alternator-a/c belt
>because CarQuest gave me one that was
(or seemed) too small. It was not
>that
>much smaller than the belt
I had removed, but for the life of me I could
>not
>get it to fit
on the car. I didn't have the time to go back to CarQuest
>before leaving
town.
>Now I have a Dayco Poly Cog belt from Advance Auto Parts. The
number on it
>is 5050490. This one also seems small- although I have not
climbed under
>the
>girl yet to check it out because of my parking
arrangement. It seems to be
>very similar to the belt I had gotten
earlier.
>I am concerned because the belt on the car has the tensioner
pully very far
>along its track to give adequate tension, yet with it all
the way out I
>could not fit the CarQuest belt on. Before I fight this
one, maybe there is
>a trick that somebody knows and could share with me?
Please?
>Thank you.
>
>Respectfully,
>Zach
Sauerman
>'94 Pearl Yellow
TT
>
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:00:53
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Anybody want to gather for some racin'?
Some of us are kicking
around the idea of a group grope at an open track
driving event at Mid
America Motorplex near Omaha. It's in the SW corner
of Iowa.
See
http://www.midamericamotorplex.comWe
figure this track would be in easy reach of 3Sers from Mnpls (Curt
&
Oskar?) and Milwaukee (SJ?), plus Chicago, St Louis, and other
Midwest
points.
The last time we did this in Topeka at Heartland
Park, we had five cars,
terrorized the M3s and 911s, and had a great time.
This is not exactly a "gathering," with all its assorted festivities:
just
a bunch of 3Kers attending the same event, pitting together, and
supporting
each other mechanically. Last time, we shared brake fluid, pads,
jacks,
impact wrenches, torque wrenches, mechanical expertise, brake
bleeders, and
Chuck Willis even loaned Jim Floyd his car to use when Jim's
broke under
the weight of his 1,000 W stereo (or something like that...maybe
it was a
front end bushing).
We'll just tag onto somebody else's
event, so nobody has to be an
"organizer." Also, if you say you'll go and
don't show up, it's no big deal.
All that said, how many folks would be
interested in attending an event in
Iowa? (Iowa is not the end of the
world, but you can see it from here.)
It would be great to have 10 or 15
cars. Novices and experienced folks are
welcome.
Another possibility
is a midweek event with the track dedicated to just us.
The floor is
open for discussion.
Rich/slow old poop
94
VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:24:16
-0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <
dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Rate your dealerships!
As some of you may know I have a dealership
listing for all US Mitsubishi
Dealerships on my site at
http://www.daveblack.net/asp/3SiDealers.asp.
Please make a point to add your rating for any dealers you may have
had
service from, bought parts or a car from, etc. so that others may
benefit
from your experience. You can also view all the ratings for any
specific
dealer.
It is the one place I know of that has any record of
which dealers are good
and which ones you should stay away from.
If
you have any Dodge dealerships to add, please send the following to me at
urlsing@hotmail.com* Dealer
Name
* Address
* City
* State
* Zipcode
* Phone
* URL (if
available)
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:53:56
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Second Intake/Fuel
Comuter
Everyone,
Another alternative to an aftermarket ECU is the
Autronics SM2 ECU.
This was developed by Ray Hall from Australia.
(
http://www.turbofast.com.au/autronic/sm2ecu.html)
Mikael
Kenson has this installed on his car. I haven't seen a post from
him in
a long time. Maybe he can let us know how it works. I just
sent
an e-mail to Ray Hall about the knock functionality on the SM2.
I'll
let you know what he says.
Does anyone know (maybe Matt Jannusch)
if the other ECUs (EFI PMS and
AEM PMS) read our knock sensor or have their
own way of monitoring
knock?
- -MIHAI RAICU-
95 Red
VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:56:37
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Second Intake/
Fuel Comuter
> Does anyone know (maybe Matt Jannusch) if the other
ECUs
> (EFI PMS and AEM PMS) read our knock sensor or have
> their
own way of monitoring knock?
The EFI PMS does, indirectly. It still
uses the stock ECU and applies
offsets so if the stock ECU tries to retard
timing because it senses knock
then the timing values overall will
decrease.
I don't know about the AEM gadget using the knock sensor or
not.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:01:59
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
> The EFI PMS does, indirectly. It still
uses the stock ECU
> and applies offsets so if the stock ECU tries to
retard
> timing because it senses knock then the timing values overall
> will decrease.
I should probably clarify that a little
bit...
If you are running in the "piggyback" mode then it will apply
offsets to the
stock values. If you have switched into "standalone"
mode (programmable as
to what conditions cause it to switch, or can be
disabled) then it will not
use the stock ECU at all and will simply do
exactly what you program it to
do for fuel and timing.
- -Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:19:35
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
mraicu@WAYNE.EDU>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
Tires
I'm happy with Falken GRB FK-451. They are Y (186 mph)
rated
245/40YR18.
Specs:
93Y
Weight: 26.5
Tread Depth:
10/32
Max Cold psi: 51 psi
Max Load: 1433 lbs
AA, A rating for Temp and
Wet handling I believe
Price: $176*4 + $46 SH = $751
Wear rating:
300?
Place of Purchase: Vulcan Tire Sales
I am very happy with these
tires in all conditions except for snow and
ice. They have the
highest max cold inflation pressure I have ever
seen. Most tires have
it at 44 psi. If you get the 224/45YR17 tire
their max load is bigger
at 1521 lbs.
My tire is able to do (in theory based on the manufacturer's
specs) 168
mph at 100% load capacity. If you have W rated tires you
shouldn't
exceed 85% load at 168 mph. Lesser tires follow a lower
trend. Of
course, at 168 MPH, it is recommended you increase the tire
pressure by
7.5 psi by European Tyre and Rim Technical Organization
(ETRTO). For
further info on ETRTO, search the archives for
ETRTO. I sent an e-mail
on May 30, 2001.
[Mihai Raicu]
95 Red VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:26:04
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Second Intake/ Fuel
Comuter
Thanks Matt. Which mode are you going to run it in:
piggyback or
stand-alone? I would imagine piggyback, so that you retain
the knock
functionality.
- -MIHAI RAICU-
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Jannusch, Matt
[mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002
1:02 PM
> To:
'aa2345@wayne.edu';
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was ->
GT-Pro
Split
> Second Intake/ Fuel Comuter
>
> > The
EFI PMS does, indirectly. It still uses the stock ECU
> > and
applies offsets so if the stock ECU tries to retard
> > timing because
it senses knock then the timing values overall
> > will
decrease.
>
> I should probably clarify that a little
bit...
>
> If you are running in the "piggyback" mode then it will
apply offsets
to
> the
> stock values. If you have switched
into "standalone" mode
(programmable
> as
> to what conditions
cause it to switch, or can be disabled) then it
will
> not
> use
the stock ECU at all and will simply do exactly what you program
it
to
> do for fuel and timing.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:29:31
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
> Thanks Matt. Which mode are you going to
run it in:
> piggyback or stand-alone? I would imagine piggyback,
so that
> you retain the knock functionality.
I'll probably start
with piggyback to figure out how the car reacts and once
I'm satisfied that
everything is working right and I have some baselines to
go from then try the
standalone mode to increase the rev limit to maybe
7500-7800 RPM. The
whole rotating assembly on my motor is balanced now, so
I should be able to
go higher with relative safety. If the Knock Alert
works well, then I
might try setting the standalone to engage as low as 4000
RPM and
WOT.
It'll take some experimenting, but I'll share my results with the
List.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:33:06
-0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Aftermarket ECU
> If you are running in the "piggyback" mode
then it will apply
> offsets to the stock values.
sooooo.... if one were to buy a PMS, install it in piggyback
mode, and tell
it not to modify the stock ECU signal inputs/outputs, you'd
have a
datalogger, right? A $2000 data logger, but a datalogger no
less. For
desperate '94 and '95 owners, maybe this is an
option...
- --Erik
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:43:07
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Aftermarket ECU
> sooooo.... if one were to buy a
PMS, install it in piggyback
> mode, and tell it not to modify the stock
ECU signal
> inputs/outputs, you'd have a datalogger, right?
A
> $2000 data logger, but a datalogger no less. For
>
desperate '94 and '95 owners, maybe this is an option...
That's
right. You could just create a program where all the tuning values
were
set to 0% change for fuel and 0 degrees of timing change.
You wouldn't be
able to log "knock sum" directly, but you would get boost
pressure logging in
exchange. A reasonable tradeoff, I think (and MUCH
better than having
nothing at all). $1500 for the whole PMS setup.
- -Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:48:16
-0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: OT: Starting a car after 9 months of sitting
technical question,
hopefully not related to anyone's 3/S, but I have a
friend in this situation
who needs some help...
The car has been sitting for 9 months, hasn't been
started, moved, or
otherwise touched. No special preservatives, synthetic
oil, fuel stabilizer,
or anything like that. I know, bad. The car
must be moved from its current
location to about 10 miles away before much
work can be done on it (change
oil, flush fuel, change coolant, etc.)
It could be towed, but it's probably
not cost effective.
What
preparations should we do before attempting to start the car? Pray?
If it matters, it's a 1.0L 3-cylinder engine that's carbureted.
Good 'ol
'91 Geo Metro :-)
Thanks,
- --Erik
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:50:04
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
mraicu@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Second Intake/ Fuel
Comuter
Matt,
Are you saying that you can engage/disengage the
standalone feature on
the fly by the use of a switch or by preset values in
the RPM. If so,
that is very nice. However, will you not need to
be in piggyback mode
to see the knock alert?
- -MIHAI
RAICU-
> I should be able to go higher with relative safety. If
the Knock
Alert
> works well, then I might try setting the standalone
to engage as low
as
> 4000
> RPM and WOT.
>
> It'll
take some experimenting, but I'll share my results with the
List.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:51:39
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: OT: Starting a car after 9 months of sitting
Nah..just fire
it up. Not even like that car will care if the fuel is a
little
weak. Should be ok.
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Gross, Erik
wrote:
> technical question, hopefully not related to anyone's 3/S,
but I have a
> friend in this situation who needs some help...
>
> The car has been sitting for 9 months, hasn't been started, moved,
or
> otherwise touched. No special preservatives, synthetic oil, fuel
stabilizer,
> or anything like that. I know, bad. The car must
be moved from its current
> location to about 10 miles away before much
work can be done on it (change
> oil, flush fuel, change coolant,
etc.) It could be towed, but it's probably
> not cost
effective.
>
> What preparations should we do before attempting to
start the car? Pray?
>
> If it matters, it's a 1.0L
3-cylinder engine that's carbureted. Good 'ol
> '91 Geo Metro
:-)
>
> Thanks,
> --Erik
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:54:40
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
> Are you saying that you can engage/disengage
the standalone
> feature on the fly by the use of a switch or by preset
values
> in the RPM. If so, that is very nice. However, will
you not
> need to be in piggyback mode to see the knock alert?
You
can't engage/disengage standalone with a switch, but you preset
what
conditions it takes be in running in standalone mode (throttle
position,
RPM).
I'm going to try the MSD Knock Alert, which isn't
hooked up to the ECU in
any way (it uses its own knock sensor) - so that'll
work the same all the
time regardless.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:56:03
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: OT: Starting a car after 9 months of sitting
> Nah..just
fire it up. Not even like that car will care if
> the fuel is a
little weak. Should be ok.
If it doesn't fire up, you could try
putting a teaspoon of oil in each
sparkplug hole to help seal the compression
rings. I'd bet it'll fire up
relatively well with a strong
battery.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:57:32
-0800
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
Why in the hell would you spend $2K on an ECU...
just to piggy back it??
WTF??? Just buy a Motec ECU for 1800 and
be done with it!!!
>From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
>To:
"
'aa2345@wayne.edu'" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
>CC:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se
>cond Intake/ Fuel Comuter
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:29:31
-0600
>
> > Thanks Matt. Which mode are you going to run it
in:
> > piggyback or stand-alone? I would imagine piggyback, so
that
> > you retain the knock functionality.
>
>I'll
probably start with piggyback to figure out how the car reacts and
>once
>I'm satisfied that everything is working right and I have
some baselines to
>go from then try the standalone mode to increase the
rev limit to maybe
>7500-7800 RPM. The whole rotating assembly on my
motor is balanced now, so
>I should be able to go higher with relative
safety. If the Knock Alert
>works well, then I might try setting the
standalone to engage as low as
>4000
>RPM and
WOT.
>
>It'll take some experimenting, but I'll share my results
with the List.
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:01:14
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From: Jeff Lucius <
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Subject:
RE: Team3S: Aftermarket ECU
The latest version of TMO software includes
boost pressure logging.
Jeff Lucius,
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wrote:
> You wouldn't be able to log "knock sum" directly, but you would
get
> boost pressure logging in exchange. A reasonable tradeoff, I
think
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:02:59
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From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
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Subject:
Team3S: New Mitsu announced last week....
in January 2003... the 300GT
will officially be a waste of money!
US Model Lancer Evolution will hit
showrooms in January 2003. With over
250hp stock, and 100's of pounds
lighter than a 3000GT (not to mention
betterhandling, cheaper available
modifications, and ease to work on).
This of course does mean that STi
will have a WRX Scooby on the way as well!
On top of it all...
Dodge announces the Neon SRT-4... I really need more
money for
2003!!
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:05:06
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From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
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Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Second
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
Most ecu's have a Knock sensor
input
>From: "Mihai Raicu" <
mraicu@wayne.edu>
>Reply-To: <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
>To: "'Jannusch,
Matt'" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
>CC:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split
>Second Intake/ Fuel Comuter
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:26:04
-0500
>
>Thanks Matt. Which mode are you going to run it in:
piggyback or
>stand-alone? I would imagine piggyback, so that you
retain the knock
>functionality.
>
>-MIHAI
RAICU-
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday,
January 09, 2002 1:02 PM
> > To:
'aa2345@wayne.edu';
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st> >
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was ->
GT-Pro
>Split
> > Second Intake/ Fuel Comuter
>
>
> > > The EFI PMS does, indirectly. It still uses the
stock ECU
> > > and applies offsets so if the stock ECU tries to
retard
> > > timing because it senses knock then the timing values
overall
> > > will decrease.
> >
> > I should
probably clarify that a little bit...
> >
> > If you are
running in the "piggyback" mode then it will apply offsets
>to
>
> the
> > stock values. If you have switched into "standalone"
mode
>(programmable
> > as
> > to what conditions cause
it to switch, or can be disabled) then it
>will
> > not
>
> use the stock ECU at all and will simply do exactly what you
program
>it to
> > do for fuel and timing.
> >
>
> -Matt
> > '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:14:53
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From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic : New Mitsu announced last week....
> in January
2003... the 300GT will officially be a waste of money!
Definitely not
!!
> US Model Lancer Evolution will hit showrooms in January
2003. With over
> 250hp stock, and 100's of pounds lighter than a
3000GT (not to mention
> betterhandling, cheaper available modifications,
and ease to work on).
Cheaper mods ? Boxy looking, 4 door sedan family
car.... I drove it, great
stopping but looking is really odd.
>
This of course does mean that STi will have a WRX Scooby on the way
as
well!
No comment, still not comparable with our sports
cars.
> On top of it all... Dodge announces the Neon
SRT-4... I really need
more
> money for 2003!!
Top ??? it is
$19'900 just a Honda like car with Turbo engine. Look at it...
no thanks. The
Type R looks even better than this ugly fisheye.
Proud to drive a 3000GT
TT !
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:17:07
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
> Why in the hell would you spend $2K on an
ECU... just to
> piggy back it?? WTF??? Just buy a Motec ECU
for 1800
> and be done with it!!!
Because I don't have a year to
screw around wasting my time to start from
ground-zero tuning the
thing. I also don't have access to a dyno to dial it
in
quicker.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:19:56
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: New Mitsu announced last week....
> in January 2003... the
300GT will officially be a
> waste of money!
I suppose so, if you
don't mind driving in a vehicle that has absolutely no
style or class.
If that's the case, then you should already be driving a
'91 Galant VR4
instead of a 3000GT.
I'll wait for the next-generation 3000GT.
Rumored to be a 450HP twin turbo
V8 and AWD.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:13
-0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L CIV" <
VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Off Topic : New Mitsu announced last week....
I second
that.
Another proudly owner of a unique 3K GT.
Victor
Pearl White
VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
[mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:15
PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Off Topic : New Mitsu announced last week....
> in
January 2003... the 300GT will officially be a waste of money!
Definitely
not !!
> US Model Lancer Evolution will hit showrooms in January
2003. With over
> 250hp stock, and 100's of pounds lighter than a
3000GT (not to mention
> betterhandling, cheaper available modifications,
and ease to work on).
Cheaper mods ? Boxy looking, 4 door sedan family
car.... I drove it, great
stopping but looking is really odd.
>
This of course does mean that STi will have a WRX Scooby on the way
as
well!
No comment, still not comparable with our sports
cars.
> On top of it all... Dodge announces the Neon
SRT-4... I really need
more
> money for 2003!!
Top ??? it is
$19'900 just a Honda like car with Turbo engine. Look at it...
no thanks. The
Type R looks even better than this ugly fisheye.
Proud to drive a 3000GT
TT !
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:29:33
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: New Mitsu announced last week....
>I'll wait for the
next-generation 3000GT. Rumored to be a 450HP twin turbo
>V8 and
AWD.
>
You want to elaborate on that?
Rich/slow old
poop
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:29:37
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
OT: Starting a car after 9 months of sitting
A shot of starting fluid
sprayed in the carberator will probably
aid your cause
greatly.
Jim
Berry
=========================================
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-----
From: Jannusch, Matt <
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To:
Gross, Erik <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Cc: Team3S
List (E-mail) <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:56 AM
Subject:
RE: Team3S: OT: Starting a car after 9 months of sitting
> >
Nah..just fire it up. Not even like that car will care if
> >
the fuel is a little weak. Should be ok.
>
> If it doesn't
fire up, you could try putting a teaspoon of oil in each
> sparkplug hole
to help seal the compression rings. I'd bet it'll fire up
>
relatively well with a strong battery.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:59:23
-0500
From:
AMastrangelo@giwindustries.comSubject:
Team3S: RE:ECU/surge problems
- ----- Forwarded by Anthony
Mastrangelo/GIWIndustries on 01/09/2002 03:05 PM
-
-----
Anthony
Mastrangelo
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
cc:
01/09/2002
Subject: RE:ECU/surge
problems
10:29
AM
Hey All,
Last month I replaced my ECU with a
rebuild from ECU Specialist(what a
mistake that was).The first one they sent
kept my car running, but the
check engine light stayed on and put out codes
for things my car was not
equipped with(wrong computer, one for awd).Sent me
out a second one and the
car ran with the check engine light off, but began
to surge badly and then
cut off. So they are now sending my old ecu back to
me to go elsewhere. I
still have the wrong one in my car now which most of
the time runs ok. But
this morning after driving a while, i put it in park
and it started to
surge again and almost cut off. I have taken it already to
several
places.First diagnosted as a bad throttle body, come to find out the
ecu
was bad. Now i can't seem to get anything done right t. Also, my
tour/sport
light comes on sometimes and other times it never comes on. Is it
supposed
to stay on? My ASC light and cruise light comes on when i turn it
on, but
the car will not hold at a cruise speed. Would all of these be
affected by
the ECU. Can any electrical shop check and replace the capacitors
or
regulators if needed? Any help would be more than
appreciated.
Thanks,
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:12:02
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE:ECU/surge problems
> Would all of these be affected by
the ECU. Can any
> electrical shop check and replace the
capacitors
> or regulators if needed? Any help would be more
> than
appreciated.
The best way to troubleshoot is to first eliminate things
that are known to
not be correct. In your case, put a correct (and
properly working) ECU back
in. After that, see what problems (if any)
remain and go from there. It
doesn't make sense to try to solve
problems that might be induced by having
the wrong ECU in the
car.
There's a list of vendors on
www.dsm.org - I'd pass along more info
than
that, but their site appears to be down at the moment. DSM ECUs
are very
similar to our 3/S versions so a shop that does good work on their
ECUs
would probably be fine working on ours.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:48:39
-0800
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
The Motec units are very user friendly, just make a
wireing harness adaptor
and you're good to go. Program the ECU and
then test it.. if you don't like
it and want to play around more, you can
real time it, or throw the stock
back in while you change the variables at
your own time.
>From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
>To:
"'Jamie Marzonie'" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>,
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se
>cond Intake/ Fuel Comuter
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:17:07
-0600
>
> > Why in the hell would you spend $2K on an ECU... just
to
> > piggy back it?? WTF??? Just buy a Motec ECU for
1800
> > and be done with it!!!
>
>Because I don't have a
year to screw around wasting my time to start from
>ground-zero tuning the
thing. I also don't have access to a dyno to dial
>it
>in
quicker.
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:52:51
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From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
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Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
> The Motec units are very user friendly, just
make a wireing
> harness adaptor and you're good to go. Program the
ECU
> and then test it.. if you don't like it and want to play
>
around more, you can real time it, or throw the stock
> back in while you
change the variables at your own time.
You are running one in your
3/S? Just wondering how it works with
the
ABS/ACS/AWS/alarm/etc.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:23:31
-0800
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se cond
Intake/ Fuel Comuter
No... might be running one ona friends neon soon..
but we may go with a TEC
III set-up instead (this may be better for a 3/S
actually)
Give the guys down in So. Cal at Motec a ring.. they are very
helpful. I'm
working on a '91 S TT, so I have a different gig going
than your 95 3k
>From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
>To:
"'Jamie Marzonie'" <
jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>,
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Now -> Aftermarket ECU ... was -> GT-Pro Split Se
>cond Intake/ Fuel Comuter
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:52:51
-0600
>
> > The Motec units are very user friendly, just make a
wireing
> > harness adaptor and you're good to go. Program the
ECU
> > and then test it.. if you don't like it and want to
play
> > around more, you can real time it, or throw the stock
>
> back in while you change the variables at your own time.
>
>You
are running one in your 3/S? Just wondering how it works with
the
>ABS/ACS/AWS/alarm/etc.
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:39:45
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From: "xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Aftermarket ECU
The Autronic computer does not work on 3S cars
EASILY.
My friend bought one, was told he'd have ALL the EXACT instructions
on how
to wire it to a 3000VR4; and a baseline program to start the car and
start
tuning.
He got an Autronic with GENERIC instructions, NOTHING
specific to 3000GT's;
and a startup program from a Mitsu Montero V6 NONturbo
that uses a different
cam/crank sensor setup! So, it does NOT
understand where the crankshaft is!
Suffice to say, the car has been
sitting NOT running for a couple of months
now. We did get a backfire
once. Joy.
There is a member of 3S community now with the "plug n
play" Autronic, who
says he has some "spark problem" that I suspect is the
same as my
friend's...that the Autronic is not TRULY set up to "read" the
stock
sensors, specifically the 4-bladed CAM ANGLE and 3-bladed CRANK
ANGLE
SENSORS...so computer is not "synchronized" with the crank/which
cylinder is
at top dead center firing. I bet Mikael changed his cam
angle sensor to 1
blade, for instance; but there certainly are NO such
instructions from
Autronic's USA distributor in Kentucky. A very nice
guy, but he oversold
how much experience they had with OUR cars.
This
"minor detail" is why I've never jumped in on getting an aftermarket
computer
that I like the features of (I am not big on Haltech, TECII for
various
reasons. They can make good horsepower, but not do some things I
might
want.)
Jack T.
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
mraicu@wayne.edu>
> Another
alternative to an aftermarket ECU is the Autronics SM2 ECU.
> This was
developed by Ray Hall from Australia.
> (
http://www.turbofast.com.au/autronic/sm2ecu.html)
>
Mikael Kenson has this installed on his car. I haven't seen a post
from
> him in a long time. Maybe he can let us know how it
works. I just sent
> an e-mail to Ray Hall about the knock
functionality on the SM2. I'll
> let you know what he
says.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:19:19
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From: jim dewbre <
ltjdew@athlonoc.com>
Subject:
Team3S: crank angle sensor replacement
I just found out that the crank
angle sensor is out on my 91 stealth rt/tt is this something I can replace or
would it be better to let my dealor replace it i have the manuals. they want to
charge me about 300.00 labor to replace it saying it calls for 5 hrs. I havent
looked at the manuals yet but they say you have to remove the timing belt dont
see why when its on the other side of the engine.
thanks,
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:08:27
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From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@mvplabels.com>
Subject: Team3S: OT:
Last Call: NASA HPDE @ Laguna Seca this weekend!!!
Last Call for 2 days
of NASA HPDE (High Performance Driving Events) this
weekend, January 12th
& 13th at Laguna Seca. This is the ONLY event being
held at LS by
NASA for the entire year! (All other HPDE's will be at
Thunderhill and
Sears Point).
This is also a family event, with provisions for tagalong
kiddies and
(schedule permitting) a Parade Lap on at least one of the days -
driving
kids around the track so they may experience what it feels like (at
low
speed, of course). If you just want to watch, it's only $5 for
parking, and
$5 if you want to join in the parade lap. NASA usually has
a BBQ on
Saturday Night, too If you want to participate as a driver,
it's $249 per
day; please sign up for the event NOW, since there are quotas
for the number
of cars they'll allow. It's at:
http://www.nasaproracing.com/nasa_event/show/?event_id=1Looks
like the weather will be great!!!
What you can bring:
Helmet for
your head if you are planning on racing or riding. If you want
to grill
stuff, bring the meats that you want to grill, buns, condiments,
salt &
pepper, etc. Please bring a small cooler and plenty of drinks
for
yourself, since it's easy to get dried out... Bring a seat if you
have one.
There will be a free BBQ Saturday night at the track. The BBQ is
usually
VERY good food, free drinks and plenty of "bench racing".
I've
been away, so I don't have a tally of everyone who's going, but at
least
Geoff & Nissa, Bob & ET, Ann Koch are signed on... A few others
said
they will be there, but I have had email problems from hell. MOF,
contact
me privately at a new (temporary) email:
bf@mvplabels.comSee you
there!!!
Best,
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:51:48
-0800
From: Rich Fowler <
richfowler2@home.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Aftermarket Radiators for Ist gen DSMs?
Has anyone tried to fit a
first gen dsm radiator to a first gen 3s? The
measurements look very
similar and more aftermarket options are available
for the dsm (fluidyne for
one). This seems like a fairly strightforward
modification if the
in/out and mounting surfaces are similar enough.
Any
thoughts?
Rich F
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