Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Monday, December 24 2001   Volume 01 : Number 707




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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:40:16 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)

Dave, to each their own but I have seen what high EGT's and a little knock
can do to pistons :(  So when ever I voice an opinion it is generally more
conservative. Especially at the going rate of a rebuild and how much of a
PITA our cars are to work on.

- -----Original Message-----
From: bdtrent
Sent: Fri 12/21/2001 8:07 PM
To: Team 3S
Cc:
Subject: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)



Russell,

I appreciate your concern.  My numbers are taken off the back turbo,
pre-turbine.  It has been reported on the list on a number of different
occasions what is generally accepted to be safe pre-turbine EGT's.  I've
always subscribed to the belief that 1800F is the maximum safe EGT, with
1600-1700 being normal full load temps.  These numbers were offered up by
our own Jack T. a number of years ago when I was first setting my car up.
850C equates to 1562F.  I would consider this to be fairly conservative by
any standards.

Regards,
DaveT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To: "'bdtrent'" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Cc: "'Team 3S'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Idea for cheaper way to run 720CC injectors?


Hey Dave if that is before the turbos that's a little hot..... you really do

not want to be over 850C.   If that is after the turbo that is WAY to hot
and you may want to do a compression test.  Turbos are good for pulling
about 200C out of egts when comparing pre turbo and post turbo



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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:18:06 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)

Russell/Jack,

I'll let you know what info I get off of the Pocketlogger.  It's seems
particularly difficult to estimate max safe EGT's without knowing if knock
is also present.  In my case this has yet to be determined other than
knowing the car has been trouble free with it's current set-up to date.
Jack brings up a good point in that running the factory fuel program with
the AFC, I could be running advanced timing under high load.  Hopefully the
pocketlogger will provide info on this.  Whatever the case may be, I
appreciate the heads up.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)


Dave, to each their own but I have seen what high EGT's and a little knock
can do to pistons :(  So when ever I voice an opinion it is generally more
conservative. Especially at the going rate of a rebuild and how much of a
PITA our cars are to work on.

- -----Original Message-----
From: bdtrent
Sent: Fri 12/21/2001 8:07 PM
To: Team 3S
Cc:
Subject: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)



Russell,

I appreciate your concern.  My numbers are taken off the back turbo,
pre-turbine.  It has been reported on the list on a number of different
occasions what is generally accepted to be safe pre-turbine EGT's.  I've
always subscribed to the belief that 1800F is the maximum safe EGT, with
1600-1700 being normal full load temps.  These numbers were offered up by
our own Jack T. a number of years ago when I was first setting my car up.
850C equates to 1562F.  I would consider this to be fairly conservative by
any standards.

Regards,
DaveT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To: "'bdtrent'" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Cc: "'Team 3S'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Idea for cheaper way to run 720CC injectors?


Hey Dave if that is before the turbos that's a little hot..... you really do

not want to be over 850C.   If that is after the turbo that is WAY to hot
and you may want to do a compression test.  Turbos are good for pulling
about 200C out of egts when comparing pre turbo and post turbo



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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:20:38 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Low Oil

Philip,

Thanks for the reassurance,  I was inclined to believe this, but a little
back up makes me feel better anyway.

Happy Holidays,
DaveT/92TT







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From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
To: "Team 3S" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Low Oil


Sleep tight, Dave. Modern engines do not rely on crank splashing oil on
cylinder walls, so as long as oil pump is not pumping air up the oil
galleys, your engine will run okay. Two quarts below max is no big deal if
you did not run like that for all the 3K miles, climb steep hills, or made
sharp 1.0 g turns.

Philip

At 07:33 PM 12/21/01, bdtrent wrote:
>I recently ran my daily driver and occasional Solo 2 companion (Dakota 5.9
>R/T) way down on oil.  My oil pressure gage wasn't indicating anything
>unusual so I didn't think to check.  Much to my supprise, when I did check
>recently, the level didn't even register on the dip stick.  After replacing
>the oil, I determined that this poor thing was 2 qts. low.  Thank God for
>Mobil 1, but I'm having a hard time sleeping at night thinking of what
>permanent damage I may have done.
>
>Regards,
>DaveT/92TT
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:49:53 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)

If you're really concerned about melt down do what the pros do --- inspect
your spark plugs for the telltale flecks of aluminum on the electrodes after
a few hard runs [ they do it after every run I suspect ].

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
To: "Team 3S" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>

> Russell/Jack,
>
> I'll let you know what info I get off of the Pocketlogger.  It's seems
> particularly difficult to estimate max safe EGT's without knowing if knock
> is also present.  In my case this has yet to be determined other than
> knowing the car has been trouble free with it's current set-up to date.
> Jack brings up a good point in that running the factory fuel program with
> the AFC, I could be running advanced timing under high load.  Hopefully the
> pocketlogger will provide info on this.  Whatever the case may be, I
> appreciate the heads up.
>
> Regards,



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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:44:54 -0500
From: "Aamer" <aamer.mail@verizon.net>
Subject: Team3S: simple oil filter question

Hello all:

On my last oil change I used a Fram oil filter because I wasn't able to get
my hands on an OEM or Mobil 1 Filter. Now i've been told that the Fram
filters do not have a check valve.

Considering my sometimes noisy valve lifters, I was a bit concerned that the
absense of a check valve may worsen the problem. Has anyone experienced a
problem using Fram Oil filters?

Thanks for your help

Aamer Abbas
'94 3000 GT (DOHC -- Naturally Aspirated)

email: aamer@thepentagon.com [or] aabomb@thepentagon.com
fax: (707) 982-8817 [add +1 country code if faxing from outside the USA]


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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:24:39 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: simple oil filter question

Much bad stuff has been said about Fram --- most of it is probably BS.
If you change your oil at 3000 miles as most of us do the filter hardly
gets dirty --- the chance of a filter failure is close to zero.

As to check valves, the object of the check valve is to prevent the oil
from draining out of the filter when the car is shut off --- in the case of
our cars the filter is almost vertical so the oil won't drain out unless the
car is upside down, in which case you have a more serious problem
anyway. On the plus side it would be easier to change the filter.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Aamer" <aamer.mail@verizon.net>
To: "Team3S" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:44 PM
Subject: Team3S: simple oil filter question


> Hello all:
>
> On my last oil change I used a Fram oil filter because I wasn't able to get
> my hands on an OEM or Mobil 1 Filter. Now i've been told that the Fram
> filters do not have a check valve.
>
> Considering my sometimes noisy valve lifters, I was a bit concerned that the
> absense of a check valve may worsen the problem. Has anyone experienced a
> problem using Fram Oil filters?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Aamer Abbas
> '94 3000 GT (DOHC -- Naturally Aspirated)
>
> email: aamer@thepentagon.com [or] aabomb@thepentagon.com
> fax: (707) 982-8817 [add +1 country code if faxing from outside the USA]
>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:31:04 -0500
From: "Payne, Scott" <SPayne@hunton.com>
Subject: Team3S: Altered Atmosphere

WOW, I didnt mean to stir up so much stuff!!
Anyway, being a novice, I found their shop and staff to be outstanding. I
got excatly what I paid for.
I got the following -
HKS DLI Ignition amp
Y-Pipe
Down Pipe
High Flow Cat
2 Gutted Pre-Cats
6 NGK Plugs
Blitz SBC I-D Boost Controller
2 Dyno Runs

Results -
316 HP at the wheels at 15.9 boost
345 Lbs Torque

I'm Happy and will use them again without hesitation.



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