Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Saturday, December 22 2001  Volume 01 : Number 706




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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:56:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TD04-9B compressor map revealed

Joe, What great info!

One interesting feature to note is the compressor maximum efficiency.
How many times have we heard that the bigger turbos 3S owners upgrade
to are better simply because the efficiency is better? Well this map
shows that is not necessarily true (or that it is not quite that
simple).

The 15G and 9B both have 76% max efficiency (and I would guess the
same for the 13G turbo). However, the peak efficiency "island"
extends to higher pressure ratios with the 15G - a definite
advantage.

Looking at the 16G (big wheel in TD05H housing) we see that max
efficiency is only 71%. Putting the same wheel in the TD06 housing
increases efficiency to 74%. Granted the broader shape of the
"island" compensates for the lower peak efficiency somewhat.

The 18T does have a broader, higher, and better placed peak
efficiency island (all of 1% higher). But how many people have this
hybrid?

The big Garrett T04E turbos have peak efficiencies in the 78-80%
range, but how many (if any) 3S owners use these?

Unfortunately, the nice efficency of the TD04-9B does not make up for
the fact that it is sized way to small for our engine. 13G turbos
should have been installed here as well as in Europe, with a better
fuel system of course on both sides of the pond.

Compressor maps, turbo guide:
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius2/j2-2-turboguide.htm

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Gonsowski" <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
To: "3000GT / Stealth List" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:13 AM
Subject: Team3S: TD04-9B compressor map revealed

I've posted a message to 3si.org:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=c6acaf5cc473004e72da6979f52c7826&threadid=58374

 If the board is too slow for your tastes, take the following direct
links.

 TD04-9B map:
 http://people.mw.mediaone.net/twinturbo/TD04-9B_Compressor_Map.htm

 Compared to TD06-"big"16G:
 http://people.mw.mediaone.net/twinturbo/16G_Compressor_Map.htm

 Happy Holidays,
 Joe Gonsowski
 '92 & '96 R/T TT


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:34:01 -0700
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: Turbos - ball bearing

Since we are on the subject of turbos, are the ball bearing turbos
worth it ?

I believe the 15G equivalent is the IHI RHF5 as seen on Don's site
below.
http://www.dnperformance.com/turbo.htm


Thanks,
Jim

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius [mailto:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:56 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: TD04-9B compressor map revealed


Joe, What great info!

One interesting feature to note is the compressor maximum efficiency.
How many times have we heard that the bigger turbos 3S owners upgrade
to are better simply because the efficiency is better? Well this map
shows that is not necessarily true (or that it is not quite that
simple).

The 15G and 9B both have 76% max efficiency (and I would guess the
same for the 13G turbo). However, the peak efficiency "island"
extends to higher pressure ratios with the 15G - a definite
advantage.

Looking at the 16G (big wheel in TD05H housing) we see that max
efficiency is only 71%. Putting the same wheel in the TD06 housing
increases efficiency to 74%. Granted the broader shape of the
"island" compensates for the lower peak efficiency somewhat.

The 18T does have a broader, higher, and better placed peak
efficiency island (all of 1% higher). But how many people have this
hybrid?

The big Garrett T04E turbos have peak efficiencies in the 78-80%
range, but how many (if any) 3S owners use these?

Unfortunately, the nice efficency of the TD04-9B does not make up for
the fact that it is sized way to small for our engine. 13G turbos
should have been installed here as well as in Europe, with a better
fuel system of course on both sides of the pond.

Compressor maps, turbo guide:
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius2/j2-2-turboguide.htm

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Gonsowski" <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
To: "3000GT / Stealth List" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:13 AM
Subject: Team3S: TD04-9B compressor map revealed

I've posted a message to 3si.org:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=c6acaf5cc473004e72da6979f52c7826&thr
eadid=58374

 If the board is too slow for your tastes, take the following direct
links.

 TD04-9B map:
 http://people.mw.mediaone.net/twinturbo/TD04-9B_Compressor_Map.htm

 Compared to TD06-"big"16G:
 http://people.mw.mediaone.net/twinturbo/16G_Compressor_Map.htm

 Happy Holidays,
 Joe Gonsowski
 '92 & '96 R/T TT


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:20:38 -0800
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT

Just need a quick answer, the guys that do my oil overfilled it about
1/5 or 1/4 of a quart (past 2nd notch, right before 1st bend in the dip
stk), is this something I should get drained back out immediately, will
it harm my engine, or is it ok and don't worry about it?? This is only
the second time they didn't listen to me when I tell them to put a
certain amount of oil in and they put more in than I tell them to
because they think that they know more about it than I do . . . At least
it wasn't more than half a quart over this time . . . Might be time for
a new shop . . .

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:44:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT

Dont worry about it.  2 quarts would be something to worry about.

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, BlackLight wrote:

> Just need a quick answer, the guys that do my oil overfilled it about
> 1/5 or 1/4 of a quart (past 2nd notch, right before 1st bend in the dip
> stk), is this something I should get drained back out immediately, will
> it harm my engine, or is it ok and don't worry about it?? This is only
> the second time they didn't listen to me when I tell them to put a
> certain amount of oil in and they put more in than I tell them to
> because they think that they know more about it than I do . . . At least
> it wasn't more than half a quart over this time . . . Might be time for
> a new shop . . .
>
> Matt Nelson
> 1994 RT TT
> Computer Sales Consultant
> Gateway Computers, Salem OR
> Work Phone 503-587-7113
> BlackLight@Planetice.Net
> www.BlackLight.5u.com
>
>
>
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>

- ---
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:41:27
From: "Kevin Umbreit" <unclesam099@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: stupid question about car colors

Charles,
Mitsu did produce a handful of silver cars.  There are a couple guys with
them on the 3SI message forum.  I have seen one or two of them as well.  So
I would assume that this is a factory color.  We should ask Mike Reid in
Canada about this paint color...

- --Kevin Umbreit
Blue '91 R/T

>
>This morning I saw a 1st gen VR4 in the parking lot here that was SILVER.
>Now we have two VR4's that are Pearl White, but this thing was actually
>SILVER or metallic Grey.  Was SILVER an original color or was this an Earl
>Scheib job?
>
>Chuck Willis
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:39:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Casey Rayman <theturbodog@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: stupid question about car colors

I have a Silver '92 VR-4 with 18" 2nd gen wheels.  I really wonder
why Mitsu did not make more silver cars.  Its a really nice color for
the car and its really easy to keep clean.  Here are a few picts:

http://www.dfwdsm.org/pics/casey/

Casey

- --- "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org> wrote:
> This morning I saw a 1st gen VR4 in the parking lot here that was
> SILVER.
> Now we have two VR4's that are Pearl White, but this thing was
> actually
> SILVER or metallic Grey.  Was SILVER an original color or was this
> an Earl
> Scheib job?
>
> Chuck Willis
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:43:20 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: stupid question about car colors

Yeah, I didn't mean any disrespect, I just did a doubletake because I'm used
to the Pearl White color and had never seen the silver firsthand until
today.  The car I saw had painted aluminum wheels rather than Chrome.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casey Rayman [SMTP:theturbodog@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:40 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: stupid question about car colors
>
> I have a Silver '92 VR-4 with 18" 2nd gen wheels.  I really wonder
> why Mitsu did not make more silver cars.  Its a really nice color for
> the car and its really easy to keep clean.  Here are a few picts:
>
> http://www.dfwdsm.org/pics/casey/
>
> Casey
>
> --- "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org> wrote:
> > This morning I saw a 1st gen VR4 in the parking lot here that was
> > SILVER.
> > Now we have two VR4's that are Pearl White, but this thing was
> > actually
> > SILVER or metallic Grey.  Was SILVER an original color or was this
> > an Earl
> > Scheib job?
> >
> > Chuck Willis
> >
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:51:34 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT

I also once overfilled and finally found some oil in the catch can that went
out the crankcase ventilation. I used a hand pump (I usually bleed the
brakes with) to get the oil out. Since then there was no oil in the catch
can anymore.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
An: "'Team3S'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Dezember 2001 20:20
Betreff: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT


> Just need a quick answer, the guys that do my oil overfilled it about
> 1/5 or 1/4 of a quart (past 2nd notch, right before 1st bend in the dip
> stk), is this something I should get drained back out immediately, will
> it harm my engine, or is it ok and don't worry about it?? This is only
> the second time they didn't listen to me when I tell them to put a
> certain amount of oil in and they put more in than I tell them to
> because they think that they know more about it than I do . . . At least
> it wasn't more than half a quart over this time . . . Might be time for
> a new shop . . .
>
> Matt Nelson
> 1994 RT TT
> Computer Sales Consultant
> Gateway Computers, Salem OR
> Work Phone 503-587-7113
> BlackLight@Planetice.Net
> www.BlackLight.5u.com
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:17:23 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT

Ahhh yes --- reminds me of the time my mechanically challenged 16 year
old son added oil to his hand-me-down Datsun B-210. He added oil to the
filler in the valve cover until no more would go in --- he came to me
wondering why the car wouldn't run.

No harm was done --- only a minor depletion of our oil reserves.

        Jim Berry
=========================================


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Cc: "'Team3S'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT


> Dont worry about it.  2 quarts would be something to worry about.
>
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, BlackLight wrote:
>
> > Just need a quick answer, the guys that do my oil overfilled it about
> > 1/5 or 1/4 of a quart (past 2nd notch, right before 1st bend in the dip
> > stk), is this something I should get drained back out immediately, will
> > it harm my engine, or is it ok and don't worry about it?? This is only
> > the second time they didn't listen to me when I tell them to put a
> > certain amount of oil in and they put more in than I tell them to
> > because they think that they know more about it than I do . . . At least
> > it wasn't more than half a quart over this time . . . Might be time for
> > a new shop . . .
> >
> > Matt Nelson
> > 1994 RT TT
> > Computer Sales Consultant
> > Gateway Computers, Salem OR
> > Work Phone 503-587-7113
> > BlackLight@Planetice.Net
> > www.BlackLight.5u.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
> ---
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>
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:29:10 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: Team3S: Green Car

It's done painting...  Well, it will be done tomorrow.  Here is a
picture of it as it was just finished drying in the "oven."  I will have
more pics of her when its all ~done~.

http://63.100.94.113/~prac/green.jpg

- -Cody


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:07:57 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)

Russell,

I appreciate your concern.  My numbers are taken off the back turbo,
pre-turbine.  It has been reported on the list on a number of different
occasions what is generally accepted to be safe pre-turbine EGT's.  I've
always subscribed to the belief that 1800F is the maximum safe EGT, with
1600-1700 being normal full load temps.  These numbers were offered up by
our own Jack T. a number of years ago when I was first setting my car up.
850C equates to 1562F.  I would consider this to be fairly conservative by
any standards.

Regards,
DaveT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To: "'bdtrent'" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Cc: "'Team 3S'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Idea for cheaper way to run 720CC injectors?


Hey Dave if that is before the turbos that's a little hot..... you really do
not want to be over 850C.   If that is after the turbo that is WAY to hot
and you may want to do a compression test.  Turbos are good for pulling
about 200C out of egts when comparing pre turbo and post turbo



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:33:11 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Low Oil

I recently ran my daily driver and occasional Solo 2 companion (Dakota 5.9
R/T) way down on oil.  My oil pressure gage wasn't indicating anything
unusual so I didn't think to check.  Much to my supprise, when I did check
recently, the level didn't even register on the dip stick.  After replacing
the oil, I determined that this poor thing was 2 qts. low.  Thank God for
Mobil 1, but I'm having a hard time sleeping at night thinking of what
permanent damage I may have done.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:55:01 -0600
From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Buzzing

Okay gurus - I need help yet again ;)

When I hit the brake pedal or the gas pedal there is a buzzing noise coming
from the center console. It happens as I change the amount of pressure on
the pedal. As the pedal moves, the buzzing increases. Once I stop moving it,
the buzzing continues for a few more seconds and then dies down. It doesn't
cut off, it gradually tapers of.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks,

        Alex.

'95 VR4



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:37:23 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT

Next time tell them to leave it a quart low, you need to add an oil conditioner after they're done. Then just add oil or oil additive as you like.
That's what I have resorted to when I have anyone else change mine. 1/3 qt should not be a problem, but you may get some extra oil smell and possibly into the intake via PCV system.

Kurt

- -----Original Message-----
From: BlackLight [mailto:BlackLight@Planetice.net]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:21 AM
To: 'Team3S'
Subject: Team3S: Overfilled oil in 94 RT TT


Just need a quick answer, the guys that do my oil overfilled it about
1/5 or 1/4 of a quart (past 2nd notch, right before 1st bend in the dip
stk), is this something I should get drained back out immediately, will
it harm my engine, or is it ok and don't worry about it?? This is only
the second time they didn't listen to me when I tell them to put a
certain amount of oil in and they put more in than I tell them to
because they think that they know more about it than I do . . . At least
it wasn't more than half a quart over this time . . . Might be time for
a new shop . . .

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:15:31 -0600
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Acceptable EGT's (Again)

True, I certainly regularly saw over 1800F preturbo in my
cars with the VPC.  You need to be aware that the VPC
tends to run rich (fuel) and retarded (timing) in my experience,
which leads to higher EGT.  The more retarded the timing is,
the later the ignition event, so the more unburnt/STILL BURNING
gas can be sent out the exhaust ports, thus giving high EGT even
if the in-cylinder temps are not as high as one might think, or see with
more ignition advance.

When I switched from the HKS VPC/GCC to the Split
Second ARCII unit, the EGT dropped about 125-200F.
I believe this is due to timing being more advanced.  The ARCII
allowed me to lean the O2 down to around .93-.96V (the
VPC/GCC had O2 readings of around .98-1.05 at max leanout)
which means the Split Second is "fooling" the stock computer MORE,
making it think one isn't making so much hp/needing as much
injector dutycycle...

The stock computer, when it sees less dutycycle, less airflow values etc,
says "since he's not making as much HP, let's give more advanced
ignition timing to give better GAS MILEAGE"...or at least a more
advanced state than with the VPC/GCC.

More advanced timing means LOWER EGT.  It could mean
more, or less, HP.  It certainly meant "melted piston" to my 94
before the 2001 DSM Shootout when I tried adding only 50hp of
nitrous to it; melted piston the first pass.  It had worked FINE with
100hp of nitrous with the VPC/GCC (no melt) though the VPC
did not seem to like to get back "on the cam" after shifts with the
nitrous--which is why I switched to the Split Second.  I was SURE I'd need
at least 100hp nitrous and a lot of luck to even COMPTETE in, much less
WIN, the 2001 DSM Shootout; who'd have known.  I should have left
it alone and used no nitrous...I had everybody covered on the only
pass I ever made with the Split Second NO nitrous, no tuning,
with an 11.45/121.45...Sigh.  Wish they had datalogging for the '94's,
I'd have saved myself alot of grief.
Jack T.

From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net> [snips]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:07 PM
>  My numbers are back turbo,
> pre-turbine.  It has been reported on the list
> generally accepted safe pre-turbine EGT's.  I
> subscribe 1800F is max safe EGT, with
> 1600-1700 being normal full load temp.  These were offered up by
>  Jack T. years ago when I was setting my car up.
> 850C equates to 1562F.  I consider this fairly conservative
> DaveT

> From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
> To: "'bdtrent'" <bdtrent@netzero.net>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001
8:34 AM
> Dave if that's before turbos that's a little hot.  You do
> not want >850C.   Turbos are good for pulling out
> about 200C comparing pre/post turbo



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:21:50 -0600
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Low Oil

Sleep tight, Dave. Modern engines do not rely on crank splashing oil on
cylinder walls, so as long as oil pump is not pumping air up the oil
galleys, your engine will run okay. Two quarts below max is no big deal if
you did not run like that for all the 3K miles, climb steep hills, or made
sharp 1.0 g turns.

Philip

At 07:33 PM 12/21/01, bdtrent wrote:
>I recently ran my daily driver and occasional Solo 2 companion (Dakota 5.9
>R/T) way down on oil.  My oil pressure gage wasn't indicating anything
>unusual so I didn't think to check.  Much to my supprise, when I did check
>recently, the level didn't even register on the dip stick.  After replacing
>the oil, I determined that this poor thing was 2 qts. low.  Thank God for
>Mobil 1, but I'm having a hard time sleeping at night thinking of what
>permanent damage I may have done.
>
>Regards,
>DaveT/92TT
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:50:22 -0600
From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Brake bleeding

I can't seem to find the post in the archives, but somebody at one point
found a hand-pump hydraulic brake bleeding unit. It attached itself to the
brake fluid bottle or something like that and pushed through with the fluid.
It was an on-line deal that ran ~$50.

If anybody knows where to find this, I'd really appreciate a link or
something.

    Thanks,

        Alex.

'95 VR4



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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:30:34 -0500
From: "Bill vP" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake bleeding

have you tried www.speedbleeder.com ?

Bill
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Pedenko <apedenko@attbi.com>
To: 'Team3S' <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:50 AM
Subject: Team3S: Brake bleeding


> I can't seem to find the post in the archives, but somebody at one point
> found a hand-pump hydraulic brake bleeding unit. It attached itself to the
> brake fluid bottle or something like that and pushed through with the
fluid.
> It was an on-line deal that ran ~$50.
>
> If anybody knows where to find this, I'd really appreciate a link or
> something.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>         Alex.
>
> '95 VR4
>
>
>
> ***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***
>


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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:03:43 -0600
From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake bleeding

Yeah, i have those...

I'm talkin about a unit that attaches to the brake fluid reservoir and can
work in conjunction with those...

    Thanks,

        Alex
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill vP" <billvp@highstream.net>
To: "Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake bleeding


> have you tried www.speedbleeder.com ?
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Pedenko <apedenko@attbi.com>
> To: 'Team3S' <team3s@team3s.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:50 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Brake bleeding
>
>
> > I can't seem to find the post in the archives, but somebody at one point
> > found a hand-pump hydraulic brake bleeding unit. It attached itself to
the
> > brake fluid bottle or something like that and pushed through with the
> fluid.
> > It was an on-line deal that ran ~$50.
> >
> > If anybody knows where to find this, I'd really appreciate a link or
> > something.
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >
> >         Alex.
> >
> > '95 VR4
> >
> >
> >
> > ***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***
> >
>
>
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