Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Tuesday, December 4 2001   Volume 01 : Number 690




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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:11:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: This is a Long Shot...  Turbo Eclipse Motor

Why would you do that anyway?

Go stuff bags of sacrete into a GSuX, and see how quick it isnt anymore.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, cody wrote:

> OK, now I know.  I just know. everyones gonna do the whole "why in the
> hell would you do that" type thing.  So.  I am just SPECULATING here.
> What would it take.  To replace a 3000GT motor (NA), with a turbo
> eclipse motor???  I know it would take some custom half shafts prolly,
> new engine mounts, and certain wiring. 
> The electronics is the part I would have troubles with.  What would I
> need even to make the damn thing run.. 
> 
> -Cody

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:49:44 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: Team3S: This is a Long Shot...  Turbo Eclipse Motor

OK, now I know.  I just know. everyones gonna do the whole "why in the
hell would you do that" type thing.  So.  I am just SPECULATING here.
 
What would it take.  To replace a 3000GT motor (NA), with a turbo
eclipse motor???  I know it would take some custom half shafts prolly,
new engine mounts, and certain wiring. 

The electronics is the part I would have troubles with.  What would I
need even to make the damn thing run.. 
 
- -Cody

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:49:04 -0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot...  Turbo Eclipse Motor

While I don't share Geoff's apparent contempt for the DSMs, I have to wonder
what possible benefit there could be from this swap.  There would be some
weight savings in the motor itself, but this is far outweighed by the
difficulties of actually installing the motor. You can bolt a TT 6G72
directly into an NA chassis and keep the FWD transmission.  No modifications
needed. Is there something that you find insufficient about a 6G72 vs a
4G63? Some explanation of your idea would be very helpful.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf Of
cody
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:50 AM
To: 'Team3S'; 'Starnet'
Subject: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

OK, now I know.  I just know. everyones gonna do the whole "why in the hell
would you do that" type thing.  So.  I am just SPECULATING here.
What would it take.  To replace a 3000GT motor (NA), with a turbo eclipse
motor???  I know it would take some custom half shafts prolly, new engine
mounts, and certain wiring.
The electronics is the part I would have troubles with.  What would I need
even to make the damn thing run..

- -Cody

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:05:05 -0600
From: "Brad Younkman" <byounkman@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hesitation

It seems like all of us that have the older cars are starting to have the
same problems. I just recently changed out my ECU as mine actually started
on fire. For my newest problem, on my way back from Thanksgiving dinner from
the parents house I bought some gas at a BP station and almost as soon as I
left I could feel the car shuttering as I tried to apply the gas pedal. It
almost feels like it is trying to go but there is a lack of fuel or
something. Also on the last leg of the trip the car actually ran fine but
the problem came back after I parked the car and then tried to drive it
again. This makes me think something is just getting clogged or about to go
out like the fuel pump. I’ve already changed the fuel filter, spark plugs
and spark plug wires. My next thought is either the injectors are clogged or
the fuel pump is not putting out the pressure a twin turbo needs. Is there
something I can use to test the fuel pressure or something to eliminate the
fuel pump being the problem? How hard is that to change? Any other thoughts?
Thanks for the help.

Brad
91 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:19:20 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 91 3000GT problem

replace the battery cable.  it comes with both positive and negative leads
together.  it tends to get corroded inside if you look between the braids of
the positive cable at the battery, and you will see the same thing at the
starter end.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luckyslug@aol.com [SMTP:Luckyslug@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:51 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: 91 3000GT problem
>
>  After a hard rain, my 91 3000GT SL with 204,500 miles doesnt seem to want
> to start. If
>  it even does start on the first try, it sometimes cuts off a second later
> with a struggle to
>  keep running. the whole time it struggles i hear a clicking noise coming
> from
>  somewhere in the dash. after adding water remover and such, it started
> working fine for
>  a about 2 weeks until the next hard rain. in the after morning it wont
> even fire, it just
>  cranks. after doing that about 6 times it will only then start to fire
> before it keeps cutting
>  off.....and a few more times again of starting it and it will stay on.
> after that it runs fine
>  and starts up fine unless i let it sit out to long and it has a hard
> timestarting up again(if
>  its still wet out that is). this time around i discovered that shaking
> the car helps it to
>  start easier and faster....not the usuall 5-15 times. anyone know what it
> could it be?
>   Thanks
>
>  Steven
>  Nashville

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:23:52 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS SSBOV with 18+ psi of boost.

1) are you measuring the boost with an aftermarket (real) boost gauge or
that "indicator" on the dash?
2) is this a manual boost controller?
3) what screw are you talking about?
4) what do you mean, "doesn't sound the same"?

Help us help you.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curtis McConnell [SMTP:CMcConnel@Pulte.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:59 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: HKS SSBOV with 18+ psi of boost.
>
> After running the car at 20psi the BOV doesn't sound the same as at 15. Do
> I
> need to adjust the screw on the back? Anyone else have experience with
> this?
>
> Curtis
> 1995 Vr-4 Spyder

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:33:24 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Changing Brake Pads

> For the rears it is almost identical.  From the first to second gen I
> think there is a slight difference (or maybe I'm thinking of the dust
> shield). 
[Willis, Charles E.] 
No, there is a big difference.  The rears are single piston floating
calipers on 1st gen.  You have to unbolt one (or both) of the caliper
mounting pins and lift up the caliper to get access to the pads.  The pads
slide out and are held in place with a couple of clips to and bottom.

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:43:09 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot...  Turbo Eclipse Motor

Nothing really bad about the 6G engine...  was just curious...  Plus a
4G can be had for REEALLLLYYYY cheap....

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff VanOrsdal
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:49 AM
To: Team3s Tech List
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

While I don't share Geoff's apparent contempt for the DSMs, I have to
wonder
what possible benefit there could be from this swap.  There would be
some
weight savings in the motor itself, but this is far outweighed by the
difficulties of actually installing the motor. You can bolt a TT 6G72
directly into an NA chassis and keep the FWD transmission.  No
modifications
needed. Is there something that you find insufficient about a 6G72 vs a
4G63? Some explanation of your idea would be very helpful.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of
cody
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:50 AM
To: 'Team3S'; 'Starnet'
Subject: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

OK, now I know.  I just know. everyones gonna do the whole "why in the
hell
would you do that" type thing.  So.  I am just SPECULATING here.

What would it take.  To replace a 3000GT motor (NA), with a turbo
eclipse
motor???  I know it would take some custom half shafts prolly, new
engine
mounts, and certain wiring.

The electronics is the part I would have troubles with.  What would I
need
even to make the damn thing run..

- -Cody

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:59:39 -0500
From: Curtis McConnell <CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS SSBOV with 18+ psi of boost.

It seems to be fine now. I meant the screw on the back (I think you adjust
the pressure it blows it off at with it) I do have an aftermarket boost
gauge, and an EVC. Thanks for your help though!!

Curtis

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:24 AM
To: Curtis McConnell; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS SSBOV with 18+ psi of boost.

1) are you measuring the boost with an aftermarket (real) boost gauge or
that "indicator" on the dash?
2) is this a manual boost controller?
3) what screw are you talking about?
4) what do you mean, "doesn't sound the same"?

Help us help you.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curtis McConnell [SMTP:CMcConnel@Pulte.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:59 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: HKS SSBOV with 18+ psi of boost.
>
> After running the car at 20psi the BOV doesn't sound the same as at 15. Do
> I
> need to adjust the screw on the back? Anyone else have experience with
> this?
>
> Curtis
> 1995 Vr-4 Spyder

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:10:04 -0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot...  Turbo Eclipse Motor

Yes, DSM motors can be had cheap.  But that price difference will be more
than nullified once you take into account the necessary customization work
needed to actually install said motor.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of cody
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:43 AM
To: jeffv@1nce.com; 'Team3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

Nothing really bad about the 6G engine...  was just curious...  Plus a
4G can be had for REEALLLLYYYY cheap....

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff VanOrsdal
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:49 AM
To: Team3s Tech List
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

While I don't share Geoff's apparent contempt for the DSMs, I have to
wonder
what possible benefit there could be from this swap.  There would be
some
weight savings in the motor itself, but this is far outweighed by the
difficulties of actually installing the motor. You can bolt a TT 6G72
directly into an NA chassis and keep the FWD transmission.  No
modifications
needed. Is there something that you find insufficient about a 6G72 vs a
4G63? Some explanation of your idea would be very helpful.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:17:08 -0800 (PST)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

Hi Team,

How do I determine which crank bearings to order? 

The CAPS lists them by color?????

I'd like to get standard or 10 under.

The Stealth manual doesn't say anything about color.

The crank hasn't been measured yet, but he says its
"okay".

Details:
'93 TT 4bolt main  JB3BN74K9PY007962
MD197603  PINK
MD197604  RED
MD197605  GREEN
MD197606  BLACK
MD197607  BROWN

Thrust bearing is MD128659 plain.

I decided to go with stock pistons.  The guy doing the
machining has been dragging his feet since JULY with
the JE pistons.

Be of good cheer,
John

=====
Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:19:37 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot...  Turbo Eclipse Motor

Prolly right....  So... anyone know where I could find a 3000GT / GTO
motor with turbos for cheap???

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff VanOrsdal
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:10 AM
To: Team3s Tech List; cody
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

Yes, DSM motors can be had cheap.  But that price difference will be
more
than nullified once you take into account the necessary customization
work
needed to actually install said motor.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of cody
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:43 AM
To: jeffv@1nce.com; 'Team3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

Nothing really bad about the 6G engine...  was just curious...  Plus a
4G can be had for REEALLLLYYYY cheap....

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff VanOrsdal
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:49 AM
To: Team3s Tech List
Subject: RE: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

While I don't share Geoff's apparent contempt for the DSMs, I have to
wonder
what possible benefit there could be from this swap.  There would be
some
weight savings in the motor itself, but this is far outweighed by the
difficulties of actually installing the motor. You can bolt a TT 6G72
directly into an NA chassis and keep the FWD transmission.  No
modifications
needed. Is there something that you find insufficient about a 6G72 vs a
4G63? Some explanation of your idea would be very helpful.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of
cody
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:50 AM
To: 'Team3S'; 'Starnet'
Subject: Team3S: This is a Long Shot... Turbo Eclipse Motor

OK, now I know.  I just know. everyones gonna do the whole "why in the
hell
would you do that" type thing.  So.  I am just SPECULATING here.

What would it take.  To replace a 3000GT motor (NA), with a turbo
eclipse
motor???  I know it would take some custom half shafts prolly, new
engine
mounts, and certain wiring.

The electronics is the part I would have troubles with.  What would I
need
even to make the damn thing run..

- -Cody

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:25:49 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

> Details:
> '93 TT 4bolt main  JB3BN74K9PY007962
> MD197603  PINK
> MD197604  RED
> MD197605  GREEN
> MD197606  BLACK
> MD197607  BROWN

If you add each of those to your "order" then in the description field it
should show the sizing.  On my '95 crank the correct size ended up being the
pink ones (I didn't do any machining on my crank, just polished the
journals).  Plastigage verified the correct fit.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:11:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

Umm..measure the crank comes to mind.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, John Christian wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> How do I determine which crank bearings to order? 
>
> The CAPS lists them by color?????
>
> I'd like to get standard or 10 under.
>
> The Stealth manual doesn't say anything about color.
>
> The crank hasn't been measured yet, but he says its
> "okay".
>
> Details:
> '93 TT 4bolt main  JB3BN74K9PY007962
> MD197603  PINK
> MD197604  RED
> MD197605  GREEN
> MD197606  BLACK
> MD197607  BROWN
>
>
> Thrust bearing is MD128659 plain.
>
> I decided to go with stock pistons.  The guy doing the
> machining has been dragging his feet since JULY with
> the JE pistons.
>
> Be of good cheer,
> John
> =====
> Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
> '93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
> 12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538
- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:08:04 -0800 (PST)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

Hi Matt,

Thanks.  Did you first mic the crank to determine
which color to use and then check oil clearance with
Plastigauge?

The only fields my CAPS shows are:
No, PNC, OrdQty, Part No ReplP/No, Part Name Part
Spec, Qty, Remarks, Unit Price.

1, 03018,1,MD197693,Bearing crankshaft plain std, 04,
PINK

1, 03018,1,MD197604,Bearing crankshaft plain std,
CC,OR RED

1, 03018,1,MD197605,Bearing crankshaft plain std,
CC,OR  GREEN

etc ...BLACK
etc ...BROWN

My CAPS doesn't have a 'description' field.  Pink is
the only color that shows a quantity of 4.  The other
colors show 'CC' for the quantity.  ????

Other suggestions??

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
wrote:
> > Details:
> > '93 TT 4bolt main  JB3BN74K9PY007962
> > MD197603  PINK
> > MD197604  RED
> > MD197605  GREEN
> > MD197606  BLACK
> > MD197607  BROWN
>
> If you add each of those to your "order" then in the
> description field it
> should show the sizing.  On my '95 crank the correct
> size ended up being the
> pink ones (I didn't do any machining on my crank,
> just polished the
> journals).  Plastigage verified the correct fit.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

=====
Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:15:06 -0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

Just order a set of upgraded Clevite 77 bearings. They use a better
tri-metal compound that wears better than the softer bi-metal stock
bearings. I've had a set in my engine for almost 20,000 miles with no
problems. The only sizing that needs to be done is for oil clearance.  If
your crank is not worn, just get the standard size.  If you've had your
crank and rods machined, size the bearings accordingly.  You can get a
complete set (rods and crankshaft) for roughly $60.  Check the crank
bearings before you install them however.  My last set of Clevites were
missing the holes that feed the oil squirters.  The parts guy at Autozone
gave me the wrong ones.  Good luck.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of John Christian
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:17 AM
To: 3sTeam3S
Subject: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

Hi Team,

How do I determine which crank bearings to order?

The CAPS lists them by color?????

I'd like to get standard or 10 under.

The Stealth manual doesn't say anything about color.

The crank hasn't been measured yet, but he says its
"okay".


Details:
'93 TT 4bolt main  JB3BN74K9PY007962
MD197603  PINK
MD197604  RED
MD197605  GREEN
MD197606  BLACK
MD197607  BROWN

Thrust bearing is MD128659 plain.

I decided to go with stock pistons.  The guy doing the
machining has been dragging his feet since JULY with
the JE pistons.

Be of good cheer,
John

=====
Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:48:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

Personally, you should ALWAYS measure..even if you havent machined
anything while you have it apart.

Its just a Good Idea(tm).

Im not sure show granular the sizing is on Mitsu bearings, but on my
Toyotas 60K on the clock will affect bearing sizes during a rebuild due to
thier really thin tolerances.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Jeff VanOrsdal wrote:

> Just order a set of upgraded Clevite 77 bearings. They use a better
> tri-metal compound that wears better than the softer bi-metal stock
> bearings. I've had a set in my engine for almost 20,000 miles with no
> problems. The only sizing that needs to be done is for oil clearance.  If
> your crank is not worn, just get the standard size.  If you've had your
> crank and rods machined, size the bearings accordingly.  You can get a
> complete set (rods and crankshaft) for roughly $60.  Check the crank
> bearings before you install them however.  My last set of Clevites were
> missing the holes that feed the oil squirters.  The parts guy at Autozone
> gave me the wrong ones.  Good luck.
>
> Jeff VanOrsdal
> 1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
> jeffv@1nce.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of John Christian
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> To: 3sTeam3S
> Subject: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings
>
>
> Hi Team,
>
> How do I determine which crank bearings to order?
>
> The CAPS lists them by color?????
>
> I'd like to get standard or 10 under.
>
> The Stealth manual doesn't say anything about color.
>
> The crank hasn't been measured yet, but he says its
> "okay".
>
>
> Details:
> '93 TT 4bolt main  JB3BN74K9PY007962
> MD197603  PINK
> MD197604  RED
> MD197605  GREEN
> MD197606  BLACK
> MD197607  BROWN
>
> Thrust bearing is MD128659 plain.
>
> I decided to go with stock pistons.  The guy doing the
> machining has been dragging his feet since JULY with
> the JE pistons.
>
> Be of good cheer,
> John
>
> =====
> Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
> '93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
> 12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

- ---
Geoff Mohler

***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:41:01 -0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

I'll have to double check the available Clevite sizes that are available,
but I'm pretty sure there were only 4. (stock, .025, .050, and .075)  Based
on the discussions I've had with some Toyota gear-heads, Mitsubishi uses
loose tolerances compared to Toyota. This MIGHT be a contributing factor to
the frequent reports of 100k bearing failure that have been seen.

As always, it's a "good idea" to measure your oil clearances any time you
have the pan off, if only for precaution.  I assumed that if someone is
going to the trouble of reading the service manual and attempting this
service themselves, they understand the basics of what they're doing.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:48 PM
To: Jeff VanOrsdal
Cc: Team3s Tech List; JCZooM@iname.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

Personally, you should ALWAYS measure..even if you havent machined
anything while you have it apart.

Its just a Good Idea(tm).

Im not sure show granular the sizing is on Mitsu bearings, but on my
Toyotas 60K on the clock will affect bearing sizes during a rebuild due to
thier really thin tolerances.

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:41:50 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Crankshaft bearings

> Hi Matt,
>
> Thanks.  Did you first mic the crank to determine
> which color to use and then check oil clearance with Plastigauge?

No, I didn't mic the crank since I knew that the crank had never been
machined or even removed from the car.

> The only fields my CAPS shows are:
> No, PNC, OrdQty, Part No ReplP/No, Part Name Part
> Spec, Qty, Remarks, Unit Price.
>
> 1, 03018,1,MD197693,Bearing crankshaft plain std, 04,
> PINK
>
> My CAPS doesn't have a 'description' field.  Pink is
> the only color that shows a quantity of 4.  The other
> colors show 'CC' for the quantity.  ????

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.  Somewhere in there (maybe after clicking on
the part itself) it showed date ranges for each color.  I just picked the
set that corresponded with the build date of my car.  I checked each bearing
individually with plastigage and it came out on the tight side of the spec,
which I figured was a good sign.

Hmmm....  I just looked in CAPS again and all those colors match the build
date.  Hmmm...  I think I just picked the Pink ones because they were the
full set and listed as "STD" size.  They worked - crank fits great with the
correct oil clearance on each bearing.  I think you can type in an
identifying mark from the bearing into the field at the bottom of the
bearing selection screen and it might highlight one of the selections above.
Not sure on that though.

Not sure if that helps or just caused more confusion.  :-(

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:59:39 -0800 (PST)
From: glenn amy <glenn_amy@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Changing Brake Pads

Ditto on the 3-ton jack from Sears.  Usually on sale
for $99 with 2 stands.  Well worth the $$.

Glenn
'93 VR-4
- --- Darren Schilberg <dschilberg@pobox.com> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> Not hard at all if you have a good floor jack, jack
> stands, and some
> basic knowledge but give it an hour the first time
> to make sure you are
> not rushed.  This is shown in Lucius' page or
> perhaps a Team3S FAQ.  I
> have it listed but as it is for the Big Reds then
> only some of it is
> relative.
>
> A $30 2-ton jack is fine but a floor jack is
> preferred.  I have already
> bent the arm that lifts upward on the econo-model
> ($30) so now I have
> the 3-ton floor jack from Sears and love it.  Please
> be safe and use
> jack stands.  I have pix here but if not then let me
> know and I'll
> re-post them.  (The pix under the Big Red install
> are with the old jack
> by the way)
>
www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/cars/brakes/brakes.html
>
> For the fronts there is a wire spring.  Remove this
> from the two pins
> going through the pad backers.  Remove the bent
> piece of sheet metal.
> Remove pins.  Remove brake pads.  Push pistons back
> into calipers (or
> bleed brakes at this time).  Install new pads,
> re-install pins, sheet
> metal, retaining wire.  BE SURE TO SET THE PADS
> AGAINST THE ROTOR BY
> PUSHING DOWN ON THE BRAKE PEDAL BEFORE DRIVING AWAY
> (or you will hit the
> brakes for the first time and have nothing until the
> fluid gets built up
> ... oops).
>
> For the rears it is almost identical.  From the
> first to second gen I
> think there is a slight difference (or maybe I'm
> thinking of the dust
> shield).  Basically once you have the wheel and
> rotor off you remove the
> wire retainer, sheet metal, pins, pads, and push
> pistons inside caliper
> and then reverse the process.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Gonzales
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 20:33
> 
> How hard is it to change the brake pads on our cars?
> I have a 92 RT TT
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:01:44 -0500
From: "eric" <griz600cc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tires

When I bought my '93 Stealth ES used it had Goodyear GT4's slapped on it.
The treads are kind of thin and it's time to switch. Since I don't plan to
winter drive the Stealth what is recommended in the 245 size range?

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:20:53 -0800 (PST)
From: AmkreadGTO <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: FS: $100 credit for an AROSC event~

Hi All,

Does anyone here run open track events with the Alfa
Romeo Owners of S. Cal club??

I have a $100 credit towards their future events for
sale... This I paid but never made it to the event..
and they do not do cash refunds.. they will credit me
towards their future events and is transferable.. i
will be w/o my beloved stealth soon... so...

I will sell this $100 credit for $70.. please email me
privately if interested.

Thanks,
George

p.s. Their next event is at Willow Springs big track
in Jan... they also usually have events at Laguna
Seca, Cal Speedway, Buttonwillow, and Sears point.

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:29:30 -0500
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tires

I have had good success with my Firestone Firehawk SZ50's.  They stick
great, and do well in rain.

Also, my previous set of tires lasted forever.  They were BFGoodrich Comp TA
V rated.  I used the 225/55VR16 size, but the 245's would probably work as
well.

Both of them were HUGE improvements over the previous Goodyear products I
had used.

I recommend www.tirerack.com, they have good prices and are quick with
delivery.

Hope this helps.

Dennis Moore
93 Stealth ES

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "eric" <griz600cc@home.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:01 AM
Subject: Team3S: Tires

When I bought my '93 Stealth ES used it had Goodyear GT4's slapped on it.
The treads are kind of thin and it's time to switch. Since I don't plan to
winter drive the Stealth what is recommended in the 245 size range?

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:53:04 -0800 (PST)
From: AmkreadGTO <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: FS: $100 credit for an AROSC event~

Here the link to their club... very nice buncha ppl...

http://www.arosc.org/

- --- AmkreadGTO <amkreadgto@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone here run open track events with the Alfa
> Romeo Owners of S. Cal club??
>
> I have a $100 credit towards their future events for
> sale... This I paid but never made it to the event..
> and they do not do cash refunds.. they will credit
> me
> towards their future events and is transferable.. i
> will be w/o my beloved stealth soon... so...
>
> I will sell this $100 credit for $70.. please email
> me
> privately if interested.
>
> Thanks,
> George
>
> p.s. Their next event is at Willow Springs big track
> in Jan... they also usually have events at Laguna
> Seca, Cal Speedway, Buttonwillow, and Sears point.

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Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:18:45 -0600
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: bigger intercoolers

I have been looking for intercoolers on the web. New and ready to install
intercooler prices are insane! You can easily spend anywhere between $1.5
and  $3K! I am thinking about making one. Spearco
http://www.spearcointercoolers.com/cores.htm and other companies sell
intercooler cores for several hundred. All you need to do is weld end caps
with 3" necks to them. Does anyone know what core sizes I need for a front
mounted 3S intercooler?

Good large cores also cost an arm and a leg. Any ideas on how to get cheap
intercoolers?

Philip

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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:53:18 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1st gen CAS on 2nd gen engine

I know a few folks have been waiting to hear the results on this topic!!

A few weeks ago, I posted that I was considering installing a 2nd gen engine
in my '91 VR4.  I had inquired if it was possible to install a 1st gen Crank
(cam ??) Angle Sensor on the 2nd gen engine so I could plug into my current
harness and ECU.

Well, I finally spoke to Brian at GT Pro and, it's no surprise, he had the
answer.  You CAN install a 1st gen CAS on a 2nd gen engine, BUT you also
have to install 1st gen camshafts.  The 1st gen right-bank intake cam has
the appropriate "notch" to mate with and drive the 1st gen CAS.  He said it
is easy to swap the cams.  (Note that the 2nd gen cams do have a little
better "grind" though).

So, folks with a blown 1st gen engine (like me ;)) have a few options to
upgrade to the 2nd gen engine.  For about the same money, I can buy a used
JSpec 2nd gen motor (Nippon Motors), OR a new 2nd gen short-block, oil pan,
& oil pump (from Norco Mitsu).  If my heads check out okay, I'll will
probably go with the later.  Both options price in at about $3,500-$3,600
when you include all the parts for a 60K service.

Cheers!
Ken

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