Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Monday, November 19
2001 Volume 01 : Number
678
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Date:
Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:19:23 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 1994 Stealth R/T VIC motor/sensor assy
Hey, Cal,
Welcome
to Team3S! If you look through our website, there are numerous
sources
for information. And we have an excellent Search Page, where you
could
enter something like "used parts" and have it turn up links to many
pages
which you could scour for further info. To save you the time,
before
you get to know our website, we have a "Good Guys Vendors" Page of
folks who
sell New and Used Replacement Parts. See the FAQ Pages - it's
in the
"Basics" Section. There is an outfit that many of us has used
before,
called M&S recycling. That's a good place to start, but
there are about 200
other places, one of which might be right near you.
Always ask for the
Team3S discount.
Best,
Forrest
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----- Original Message -----
From: "c.d.gilbert" <
c.d.gilbert@att.net>
To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:05 PM
Subject: Team3S: 1994 Stealth R/T VIC
motor/sensor assy
> Group:
> I have tried to locate a source for
the VIC motor/sensor assy. for my
1994 Steath R/T non-Turbo.
Apparently, the entire upper intake manifold has
to be purchased from
the dealer. Anybody have a source for just the
motor/sensor? I have
been getting DTC's indicating motor/sensor failures
(62). Tests per the
service manual are negative.
> Thanks in advance,
> Cal
Gilbert
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:37:04
-0800
From: Rick Pierce <
piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 1994 Stealth R/T VIC motor/sensor assy
You might try M&S
Recycling in Sacramento - give them a call, they'll at
least give you a quote
on a used one.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "c.d.gilbert"
<
c.d.gilbert@att.net>
To:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:05 PM
Subject: Team3S: 1994 Stealth R/T VIC
motor/sensor assy
> Group:
> I have tried to locate a source for
the VIC motor/sensor assy. for my
1994
> Steath R/T
non-Turbo.
> Apparently, the entire upper intake manifold has to be
purchased from the
> dealer.
> Anybody have a source for just the
motor/sensor?
> I have been getting DTC's indicating motor/sensor failures
(62). Tests
per
> the service manual are
negative.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Cal
Gilbert
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:55:52
-0800 (PST)
From: jim dewbre <
ltjdew@athlonoc.com>
Subject:
Team3S: 91 stealth rt tt crank angle sensor
where can I get a crank angle
sensor for my 91 stealth rt tt is there a possibility of getting a used one. my
car hasnt run in a month. I dont have a decent garage in my area. its been in
the shop for a month they replaced the computer and ignition module and it still
will not start I keep telling them it is probably the crank sensor but they say
they cant find one. will someome please help me.
jim dewbre
meadow
texas
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:54:50
From: "Kevin Umbreit" <
unclesam099@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 1994 Stealth R/T VIC motor/sensor assy
you should try to
troubleshoot the motor first.
1. on my '91 R/T plenum, there is an
allen bolt on the passenger side of
the plenum, opposite of the motor.
i'm not sure if the '94 will have that.
therefore, there is a way to
do it by removing the motor. i will try to
explain both
ways.
2. if there's an allen bolt on the side, put an allen wrench
in it. have
someone rev the engine to 3000 RPM. as they get to
3500 RPM, the allen bolt
should turn clockwise as you look at it. when
they let off, it will go back
counterclockwise and close the valves.
now if you don't have that bolt, go
to #3.
3. take off the VIC
motor. there are 3 allen bolts holding it on. once
it's off,
take a flathead screwdriver and put it perpendicular to the worm
gear so
that it will move forward/backward when the gear moves. have
someone
rev and at about 3500 RPM, the screwdriver should move away from
where the
wiring harnesses are plugged into the motor.
when you replace the motor,
make sure that the plastic gear is turned
clockwise and the little notch in
the gear is facing upward. if you have
any other questions, give me an
email.
- --Kevin
Blue '91 R/T
> > Group:
> > I
have tried to locate a source for the VIC motor/sensor assy. for
my
>1994
> > Steath R/T non-Turbo.
> > Apparently, the
entire upper intake manifold has to be purchased from
>the
> >
dealer.
> > Anybody have a source for just the motor/sensor?
>
> I have been getting DTC's indicating motor/sensor failures (62).
Tests
>per
> > the service manual are negative.
>
>
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Cal
Gilbert
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:01:10
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: (Evidense to kill my theory)
Jeff,
As usual, your
description makes sense. Do you think it's possible that VE
with FI
pressure factored out ignores that the engine flow design is based
on
FI? As an example, intake scavenging is likely ignored at wide
throttle
plate openings when inlet flow pressure can be assumed to be
positive, i.e.
intake scavenging, plenum size, etc. is not as critical from a
development
standpoint when the engine is designed for forced induction in
the first
place.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:49:49
+1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Team3S: Top Speed
Hi
We had a speed run on Saturday, the results
were disappointing due to the
short track.My best run was at 223km/h. the
speedo was showing 150mph .That
was from a hard launch, timed 1/4 mile, then
keep going for 1 km, then 1/2
km for braking.Last year they used the main
runway but another car club
hired it afterwards and broke a landing light
when a porsche spun in the
rain at 250km/h. Thats why we had to use a
taxiway.BTW a Diablo got 249km/h
Nissan Skyline GTR 235km/h, a Corvette about
the same. Official results out
soon at
http://www.ggon.net/Steve
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:35:38
-0500
From:
AMastrangelo@giwindustries.comSubject:
Team3S: RE:ECU Codes problem
My ECU is putting out codes 49 for the
transmission. Anyone know what this
code means? The engine codes are 71
(traction control vacuum solenoid
fault), and 72 (Traction control vent
solenoid fault), anyone have a clue
what these
are?
Thanks,
Anthony
1992 GT/SL
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:24:45
-0800 (PST)
From: Frank Chen <
jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Update on My Engine Woes and Overheat Problem w/ Pics
Got some pics...
maybe u guys can tell me what the
heck is wrong.
http://www.geocities.com//bazjeepers/3000GT/New/t-stat-housing.jpghttp://www.geocities.com//bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-1.jpghttp://www.geocities.com//bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com//bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-3.jpghttp://www.geocities.com//bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-galley.jpg-
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:49:37
+0100 (MET)
From: <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE:ECU Codes problem
Huh ? Did the 92 NA already had traction
control ? Do any NA's have traction control ? I was not aware of
this.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
- ----- original Nachricht
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My ECU is putting out codes 49 for the transmission. Anyone
know what this
code means? The engine codes are 71 (traction control vacuum
solenoid
fault), and 72 (Traction control vent solenoid fault), anyone have a
clue
what these are?
Thanks,
Anthony
1992 GT/SL
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:52:32
-0800 (PST)
From: Frank Chen <
jeep1978@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Update on My Engine Woes and Overheat Problem w/ Pics
Got some
pics... maybe u guys can tell me what the
heck is wrong.
http://www.geocities.com/bazjeepers/3000GT/New/t-stat-housing.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/bazjeepers/3000GT/New/t-stat-housing-2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-1.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-3.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/bazjeepers/3000GT/New/water-pump-galley.jpg-
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:56:58
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: (Evidense to kill my theory)
All the old rules still apply to
our heads. The air velocity has not
changed because the volume of air flowing
has not changed. What has
changed is the *density* of the air (and the mass,
of course). At 12
psi of boost or at 25 psi of boost, the same *volume* of
air is
flowing in the IC pipes and in the heads - only the mass has
changed.
Air flow in heads can be modeled as springs and weights. So
since we
have changed the weight of the air, we have changed things a
little.
But I am not smart enough to know why or by how much.
Valve
overlap, exhaust backpressure, and exhaust reversion are still
important
processes in FI heads. Overlap is often reduced a little
(to reduce
reversion) because of the high pressure the turbine causes
in the exhaust
path (often two times or more the intake track
pressure).
There is
one big difference between NA and FI engines. In a NA engine
the piston's
downward movement creates the low pressure zone to suck
in air. In a FI
engine, the piston's downward movement just creates a
space for the
pressurized air to flow into. The turbo's compressor
actually sucks in the
outside air. Air (or any fluid/liquid/gas)
always flows from high pressure to
low pressure. No flow, no pressure
difference.
A correction to my
earlier post. Method 2 VE should be 254%, not
2.54, in the
example.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
To: "Team 3S"
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: (Evidense to kill my
theory)
Jeff,
As usual, your description makes sense. Do you
think it's possible
that VE with FI pressure factored out ignores that the
engine flow
design is based on FI? As an example, intake
scavenging is likely
ignored at wide throttle plate openings when inlet flow
pressure can
be assumed to be positive, i.e. intake scavenging, plenum size,
etc.
is not as critical from a development standpoint when the engine
is
designed for forced induction in the first
place.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:43:53
-0500
From:
AMastrangelo@giwindustries.comSubject:
Team3S: RE:Cruise Control Problem
The ASC and Cruise on light comes on,
but the cruise will not hold at all.
Any suggestions?
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:04:37
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating temp
Dear
pals,
I finally got around to asking my brother-in-law about the powder
coating
job the did gratis on two sets of our stock front brake
calipers. He told
me that they would charge $120 per pair to do the
same work commercially.
The continuous operating temperature of that
coating is 250 degrees F. We
had tried the same coating on brake rotor
hats, but it didn't survive. The
calipers seem quite happy. I am
concluding that the outside of our calipers
doesn't exceed the 250 deg F
temperature, but I'll measure at the track with
the pyrometer to see.
Comments?
Chuck Willis
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:04:37
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating temp
Dear
pals,
I finally got around to asking my brother-in-law about the powder
coating
job the did gratis on two sets of our stock front brake
calipers. He told
me that they would charge $120 per pair to do the
same work commercially.
The continuous operating temperature of that
coating is 250 degrees F. We
had tried the same coating on brake rotor
hats, but it didn't survive. The
calipers seem quite happy. I am
concluding that the outside of our calipers
doesn't exceed the 250 deg F
temperature, but I'll measure at the track with
the pyrometer to see.
Comments?
Chuck Willis
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:33:17
-0500
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need
recommendation on technical books
I'm looking for some good books on
electronic fuel injection and engine
management in general. I'm not
looking for ADVANCED stuff (yet), but I'd
like something with enough detail
that I could at least comprehend the
various options and tables available in
stand alone ECU programming
interfaces. If anyone has any
recommendations on internal combustion
theory, I'd like to hear those
too. Thanks.
Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:32:02
-0500
From: "Kevin Schappell" <
kevin@schappell.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating temp
Does
that price include removing casting flash and smoothing the parts?
I
can get the powdercoating done for about $20/pair but that does not
include
any finishing of the castings. (price is based on experience with
similar
sized parts) Also did he have to disassemble the caliper since
the dust
shield will be exposed to the high temp of the oven? Let us
know what work
is involved and then we can compare apples to apples.
I
stripped my calipers and painted with high-temp ceramic exhaust paint
which
stands up to 1200 degrees F. About $4 for the can of paint and
some
elbow grease cleaning them.
Also something to think about, will
powdercoating reduce the ability of the
caliper to shed heat? I do not
know what the thermal conductivity of
powdercoat is, but I would guess it's
less than aluminum.
Kevin Schappell
http://kevin.schappell.comSave money
on all of your speed parts.
http://www.SpeedShoppers.com>
-----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Willis, Charles E.
>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:05 PM
> To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st;
Team3S@team3s.com;
3sracers@speedtoys.com> Subject:
Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating
>
temp
>
>
> Dear pals,
>
> I finally got around to
asking my brother-in-law about the powder coating
> job the did gratis on
two sets of our stock front brake calipers. He told
> me that they
would charge $120 per pair to do the same work commercially.
>
> The
continuous operating temperature of that coating is 250 degrees F.
We
> had tried the same coating on brake rotor hats, but it didn't
>
survive. The
> calipers seem quite happy. I am concluding that
the outside of
> our calipers
> doesn't exceed the 250 deg F
temperature, but I'll measure at the
> track with
> the pyrometer to
see.
>
> Comments?
>
> Chuck Willis
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:32:02
-0500
From: "Kevin Schappell" <
kevin@schappell.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating temp
Does
that price include removing casting flash and smoothing the parts?
I
can get the powdercoating done for about $20/pair but that does not
include
any finishing of the castings. (price is based on experience with
similar
sized parts) Also did he have to disassemble the caliper since
the dust
shield will be exposed to the high temp of the oven? Let us
know what work
is involved and then we can compare apples to apples.
I
stripped my calipers and painted with high-temp ceramic exhaust paint
which
stands up to 1200 degrees F. About $4 for the can of paint and
some
elbow grease cleaning them.
Also something to think about, will
powdercoating reduce the ability of the
caliper to shed heat? I do not
know what the thermal conductivity of
powdercoat is, but I would guess it's
less than aluminum.
Kevin Schappell
http://kevin.schappell.comSave money
on all of your speed parts.
http://www.SpeedShoppers.com>
-----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Willis, Charles E.
>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:05 PM
> To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st;
Team3S@team3s.com;
3sracers@speedtoys.com> Subject:
Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating
>
temp
>
> Dear pals,
>
> I finally got around to asking
my brother-in-law about the powder coating
> job the did gratis on two
sets of our stock front brake calipers. He told
> me that they would
charge $120 per pair to do the same work commercially.
>
> The
continuous operating temperature of that coating is 250 degrees F.
We
> had tried the same coating on brake rotor hats, but it didn't
>
survive. The
> calipers seem quite happy. I am concluding that
the outside of
> our calipers
> doesn't exceed the 250 deg F
temperature, but I'll measure at the
> track with
> the pyrometer to
see.
>
> Comments?
>
> Chuck Willis
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:09:20
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating
temp
My comments are that its a nice insulator to keep yer brake fluid
nice &
hot.
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Willis, Charles E.
wrote:
> Dear pals,
>
> I finally got around to asking my
brother-in-law about the powder coating
> job the did gratis on two sets
of our stock front brake calipers. He told
> me that they would
charge $120 per pair to do the same work commercially.
>
> The
continuous operating temperature of that coating is 250 degrees F.
We
> had tried the same coating on brake rotor hats, but it didn't
survive. The
> calipers seem quite happy. I am concluding that
the outside of our calipers
> doesn't exceed the 250 deg F temperature,
but I'll measure at the track with
> the pyrometer to see.
>
> Comments?
>
> Chuck Willis
Geoff
Mohler
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:54:43
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Rebuilding Porsche brakes
I have a set of Porsche brake calipers
on my Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4.
(Porsche part #'s: 993-351-425-10
and 993-351-426-10 fits 94 -98/98 993
Twin turbo)
Question: I've run
the calipers for two seasons, and have burned off the
dust seals on the
pistons, so it's time for a rebuild. Do any of you folks
have any experience
rebuilding these calipers for open track events?
If so:
Do you have
any recommendations on a rebuild kit (part number and source,
please). For
example, should I use the stock Porsche kit or get a race kit?
What can I do
to the calipers to make them more suitable for open tracking?
Titanium
pistons, for example.
Are there any interesting mods, such as a water jacket,
for these calipers?
Is there a shop anywhere that rebuilds Porsche calipers
for racing?
All advice welcome
Rich/94 VR4
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:05:44
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operatin g
temp
I provided him with the calipers disassembled, i.e., no pistons or
dust
boots. He returned the finished part. If there was casting
flash, he
probably removed it during surface preparation. Mine don't
seem to hold
heat any worse than stock. 1200 degrees sounds good to
me.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schappell
[SMTP:kevin@schappell.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:32
PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.;
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st;
Team3S@team3s.com;
>
3sracers@speedtoys.com> Subject:
RE: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and
> operating
temp
>
> Does that price include removing casting flash and
smoothing the
> parts? I
> can get the powdercoating done for
about $20/pair but that does not
> include
> any finishing of the
castings. (price is based on experience with similar
> sized parts)
Also did he have to disassemble the caliper since the dust
> shield will
be exposed to the high temp of the oven? Let us know what
>
work
> is involved and then we can compare apples to apples.
> I
stripped my calipers and painted with high-temp ceramic exhaust
>
paint
> which stands up to 1200 degrees F. About $4 for the can of
paint and some
> elbow grease cleaning them.
> Also something to
think about, will powdercoating reduce the ability
> of the
>
caliper to shed heat? I do not know what the thermal conductivity
of
> powdercoat is, but I would guess it's less than aluminum.
>
> Kevin Schappell
>
http://kevin.schappell.com> Save
money on all of your speed parts.
>
http://www.SpeedShoppers.com>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> > Of Willis, Charles
E.
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:05 PM
> > To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st;
Team3S@team3s.com;
3sracers@speedtoys.com> >
Subject: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating
>
> temp
> >
> >
> > Dear pals,
> >
>
> I finally got around to asking my brother-in-law about the powder
>
coating
> > job the did gratis on two sets of our stock front brake
calipers. He
> told
> > me that they would charge $120 per
pair to do the same work
> commercially.
> >
> > The
continuous operating temperature of that coating is 250 degrees F.
>
We
> > had tried the same coating on brake rotor hats, but it
didn't
> > survive. The
> > calipers seem quite
happy. I am concluding that the outside of
> > our
calipers
> > doesn't exceed the 250 deg F temperature, but I'll measure
at the
> > track with
> > the pyrometer to see.
>
>
> > Comments?
> >
> > Chuck
Willis
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:05:44
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operatin g
temp
I provided him with the calipers disassembled, i.e., no pistons or
dust
boots. He returned the finished part. If there was casting
flash, he
probably removed it during surface preparation. Mine don't
seem to hold
heat any worse than stock. 1200 degrees sounds good to
me.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schappell
[SMTP:kevin@schappell.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:32
PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.;
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st;
Team3S@team3s.com;
>
3sracers@speedtoys.com> Subject:
RE: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and
> operating
temp
>
> Does that price include removing casting flash and
smoothing the
> parts? I
> can get the powdercoating done for
about $20/pair but that does not
> include
> any finishing of the
castings. (price is based on experience with similar
> sized parts)
Also did he have to disassemble the caliper since the dust
> shield will
be exposed to the high temp of the oven? Let us know what
>
work
> is involved and then we can compare apples to apples.
> I
stripped my calipers and painted with high-temp ceramic exhaust
>
paint
> which stands up to 1200 degrees F. About $4 for the can of
paint and some
> elbow grease cleaning them.
> Also something to
think about, will powdercoating reduce the ability
> of the
>
caliper to shed heat? I do not know what the thermal conductivity
of
> powdercoat is, but I would guess it's less than aluminum.
>
> Kevin Schappell
>
http://kevin.schappell.com> Save
money on all of your speed parts.
>
http://www.SpeedShoppers.com>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> > Of Willis, Charles
E.
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:05 PM
> > To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st;
Team3S@team3s.com;
3sracers@speedtoys.com> >
Subject: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operating
>
> temp
> >
> >
> > Dear pals,
> >
>
> I finally got around to asking my brother-in-law about the powder
>
coating
> > job the did gratis on two sets of our stock front brake
calipers. He
> told
> > me that they would charge $120 per
pair to do the same work
> commercially.
> >
> > The
continuous operating temperature of that coating is 250 degrees F.
>
We
> > had tried the same coating on brake rotor hats, but it
didn't
> > survive. The
> > calipers seem quite
happy. I am concluding that the outside of
> > our
calipers
> > doesn't exceed the 250 deg F temperature, but I'll measure
at the
> > track with
> > the pyrometer to see.
>
>
> > Comments?
> >
> > Chuck
Willis
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:40:15
-0800
From: "Watkins, Jim" <
jim.watkins@imedia.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operatin g
temp
"I finally got around to asking my brother-in-law about the powder
coating
job the did gratis on two sets of our stock front brake
calipers. He told
me that they would charge $120 per pair to do the
same work commercially."
I received two quotes for $85 - $135 to have all
four calipers powder
coated. The range in price was because they hadn't
seen the parts and
didn't know how much cleaning would be
needed.
Jim
95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:52:12
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need recommendation on technical book
Here are some books for
your consideration.
Jeff Hartman, 1993, Fuel Injection - Installation,
Performance
Tuning, Modifications: MBI, 160 p.
Horst Bauer
(editor-in-chief), 1996, Bosch Automotive Handbook, 4th
ed.: Robert Bosch
GmbH, 892 p. (5th ed. is out)
A. Graham Bell, 1998, Four-Stroke
Performance Tuning, 2nd ed.:
Haynes, 327 p.
Also, look at the books
for Chevys and Fords and by Bosch about fuel
injection (I have several but
don't remember exact titles). All
systems are kind of
similar.
Advanced books.
John B. Heywood, 1988, Internal
Combustion Engine Fundamentals:
McGraw-Hill, 930 p.
Richard Stone,
1999, Introduction to Internal Combustion Engines, 3rd
edition: SAE
International, 641 p.
More listings of books I have:
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius/2-refs.htmAnd
of course take a look at the DSM Tech Manual on Vinny Singh's
Manuals on
CD.
http://www.manualcd.com/Bonus
info:
***** TEC3 brochure *****
http://john.lambert.tripod.com/Pictures/TEC3/Enjoy.
:)
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
To: "Team3s Tech List"
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, November 19, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: Team3S: Need recommendation on
technical books
I'm looking for some good books on electronic fuel
injection and
engine management in general. I'm not looking for
ADVANCED stuff
(yet), but I'd like something with enough detail that I could
at
least comprehend the various options and tables available in
stand
alone ECU programming interfaces. If anyone has any
recommendations
on internal combustion theory, I'd like to hear those
too. Thanks.
Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:57:43
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and operatin g
temp
yeah, $120 sounded high to me, too.
what was the operating
temperature of the compound your source was using?
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Watkins, Jim [SMTP:jim.watkins@imedia.com]
>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:40 PM
> To: 'Willis, Charles E.';
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Powder coating of brake calipers - price and
>
operatin g temp
>
>
> "I finally got around to asking my
brother-in-law about the powder coating
> job the did gratis on two sets
of our stock front brake calipers. He told
> me that they would
charge $120 per pair to do the same work commercially."
>
> I
received two quotes for $85 - $135 to have all four calipers powder
>
coated. The range in price was because they hadn't seen the parts
and
> didn't know how much cleaning would be needed.
>
>
Jim
> 95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:46:23
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Rebuilding Porsche brakes
I was told by a Brembo app. engineer
that dust seals can't hold up to track
use over a long period of time.
He suggested either removing them as race
preped systems do and live with the
accelerated piston wear from
contaminents, or plan on replacing them as
needed.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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