Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Friday, October 26
2001 Volume 01 : Number
657
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Date:
Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:09:25 -0500
From: "Nemisis" <
nemisis@vci.net>
Subject: Team3S: Dif
Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
Hey everyone,
Here I am back with
another weird question. I'm thinking about buying some
wheels from a Porsche
911 Turbo as a second set for my spyder. I just love
the way they look.. and
they arent branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as
though theyd be ricy.. But
anyway.. The front wheels would have to be
18x8 and the Rear wheels 18x10!
Would this adverselly affect performance and
handling with our Front Biased
AWD Cars? Any comments about porsche wheels
on a VR-4? Ever seen
them??
Thanks,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:13:36
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
www.team3s.com/FAQ.htm Look for
Tire Plus Sizing...
Not recommended...
- -Cody
-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Nemisis
Sent: Thursday,
October 25, 2001 11:09 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in
Front and Rear?
Hey everyone,
Here I am back with another weird
question. I'm thinking about buying
some
wheels from a Porsche 911 Turbo
as a second set for my spyder. I just
love
the way they look.. and they
arent branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as
though theyd be ricy.. But
anyway.. The front wheels would have to be
18x8 and the Rear wheels 18x10!
Would this adverselly affect performance
and
handling with our Front
Biased AWD Cars? Any comments about porsche
wheels
on a VR-4? Ever seen
them??
Thanks,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:43:40
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
Wider in the rear will
tend to understeer more, if anything the car would
be "difficult" Id
think.
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Nemisis wrote:
> Hey
everyone,
>
> Here I am back with another weird question. I'm
thinking about buying some
> wheels from a Porsche 911 Turbo as a second
set for my spyder. I just love
> the way they look.. and they arent
branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as
> though theyd be ricy.. But anyway..
The front wheels would have to be
> 18x8 and the Rear wheels 18x10! Would
this adverselly affect performance and
> handling with our Front Biased
AWD Cars? Any comments about porsche wheels
> on a VR-4? Ever seen
them??
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:13:15
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
www.team3s.com/FAQ.htmNot
recommended...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Nemisis
Sent: Thursday,
October 25, 2001 11:09 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in
Front and Rear?
Hey everyone,
Here I am back with another weird
question. I'm thinking about buying
some
wheels from a Porsche 911 Turbo
as a second set for my spyder. I just
love
the way they look.. and they
arent branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as
though theyd be ricy.. But
anyway.. The front wheels would have to be
18x8 and the Rear wheels 18x10!
Would this adverselly affect performance
and
handling with our Front
Biased AWD Cars? Any comments about porsche
wheels
on a VR-4? Ever seen
them??
Thanks,
Jon
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:28:59
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
Seen Porsche brakes all the
time. Not Porsche wheels but there is
always a first. We have
some people with Toyota Supra rotors and
someone else with Ferrari F40
brakes.
However, an AWD car MUST have the same wheel and tire on all
four
corners. The N/A (FWD) cars can have a different size in front
and
rear. I think someone said they had 265- or 275-wide tires in the
rear
and 325- or 245- tires in the front on his FWD car.
AWD must be
all the same or you will really, *really* screw up the rear
differential I
believe.
I was at an open track day and wanted to try a friend's
wheel/tire
combo. We did not have lugnuts long enough to bolt his on so
we only
put on two wheels. I put them in the front I think. These
were not
only a different width wheel but a different size (17" in front and
18"
in rear even though the tire aspect ratio evened out on the
plus
sizing). The turn I usually take at 75 mph I could only take at 60
mph
since the back end would step out like a rear wheel drive car.
Same
thing on a couple of more turns in the first lap. Came in after
one
lap, put on the street 18" tires, went back out. Hit that 75 mph
turn
at 75 mph. That was it. Size of wheel/tire makes all the
difference to
an AWD car.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemisis
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001
00:09
Here I am back with another weird question. I'm thinking
about buying
some
wheels from a Porsche 911 Turbo as a second set for my
spyder. I just
love
the way they look.. and they arent branded "Porsche"
so I didnt feel as
though theyd be ricy.. But anyway.. The front wheels would
have to be
18x8 and the Rear wheels 18x10! Would this adverselly affect
performance
and
handling with our Front Biased AWD Cars? Any comments
about porsche
wheels
on a VR-4? Ever seen them??
***
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:49:08
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
Darren, FWIW, width doesnt
cause issue like different diameter wheels do.
Just handling
issues.
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Darren Schilberg wrote:
> Seen
Porsche brakes all the time. Not Porsche wheels but there is
>
always a first. We have some people with Toyota Supra rotors and
>
someone else with Ferrari F40 brakes.
>
> However, an AWD car MUST
have the same wheel and tire on all four
> corners. The N/A (FWD)
cars can have a different size in front and
> rear. I think someone
said they had 265- or 275-wide tires in the rear
> and 325- or 245- tires
in the front on his FWD car.
>
> AWD must be all the same or you
will really, *really* screw up the rear
> differential I believe.
>
> I was at an open track day and wanted to try a friend's
wheel/tire
> combo. We did not have lugnuts long enough to bolt his
on so we only
> put on two wheels. I put them in the front I
think. These were not
> only a different width wheel but a different
size (17" in front and 18"
> in rear even though the tire aspect ratio
evened out on the plus
> sizing). The turn I usually take at 75 mph
I could only take at 60 mph
> since the back end would step out like a
rear wheel drive car. Same
> thing on a couple of more turns in the
first lap. Came in after one
> lap, put on the street 18" tires,
went back out. Hit that 75 mph turn
> at 75 mph. That was
it. Size of wheel/tire makes all the difference to
> an AWD
car.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Nemisis
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001
00:09
>
> Here I am back with another weird question. I'm
thinking about buying
> some
> wheels from a Porsche 911 Turbo as a
second set for my spyder. I just
> love
> the way they look.. and
they arent branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as
> though theyd be ricy..
But anyway.. The front wheels would have to be
> 18x8 and the Rear wheels
18x10! Would this adverselly affect performance
> and
> handling
with our Front Biased AWD Cars? Any comments about porsche
>
wheels
> on a VR-4? Ever seen them??
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:41:09
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
Sorry ... the wheels were
17x8.5" and 18x8.5" and the tires were
245/40/18 and 255/40/17 since I
checked them in the basement. It is the
/40/ that is the same on both
even though one is 17" and one is 18." I
think this is what caused the
problem. An oversight from an excited
mind to try a new tire and not
thinking through the plus system
correctly.
Thanks.
-
--Flash!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler
[mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001
00:49
Darren, FWIW, width doesnt cause issue like different
diameter wheels
do.
Just handling issues.
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:10:57
+0200
From: Henri Le Hir <
hlehir@lucent.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Sticky Odometer, Indiglo Gauges, and SRS Light
Hi Bob,
Everyone
I read that part, and the CD Manual...doesn't help.
My
car is a direct import (it's a Dodge), and I'm in continental Europe.
Dodge /
Chrysler dealers have the "hey...it's a direct import...and it's a
Damm JPN
Car"..
and the mitsu dealers are saying...."hey...it's a direct import...and
it's a
Damm Yankee Car".
It seems that without a Scan Tool (DRB II) ,
I CANNOT get the errors
out...so...
And I've been doing all the preventive
maintenance....all seems fine....
I had the problem because my car was in
an Airport parking for 7 days, and
it was VERY cold outside last winter
(battery voltage drop ?)
Anyway...my battery is 100% functional...and I STILL
have the error.
So, without a DRB II, I cannot determine if I HAVE, or I
HAD a problem.
And without the DRB II, it seems that I cannot reset / erase
the error code.
So, I ordered a pocket logger, and I hope it will be able
to do what a DRB
II does.
If not...I can either ship my car to the
States (just kidding), get a DRB
II, live with the idiot light, or remove the
bulb (anyway...I do NOT beleive
in airbags....I always wear my safety
belt....)...I simply would like to be
sure that this stupid pill of
explosives will not explode in front of my
nose without any good reason
because of a SRS malfunction.
Best
Henri
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Bob Forrest [mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
Sent: 25.
octobre 2001 12:13
To: Henri Le Hir; Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sticky
Odometer, Indiglo Gauges, and SRS Light
SRS Troubleshooting is explained
in a TSB, which is on our "Recalls & TSBs"
Page. It's in the FAQ
pages, in the 'Basics' Section.
www.Team3S.com/FAQ.htmBest,
Forrest
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:01:09
-0500
From: "Nemisis" <
nemisis@vci.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
Well another question then.. Could I
run 2 pairs of 18" Front Porsche
wheels. 18x8 ? Also do you all have any
opinions on wheather or not this
would look
good??
Jon
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:34:58
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
nope, 40/38 COLD - my son runs 42/38
COLD.
The "rule of Thumb" our "tire bitch" gave us was 1 psi per 100# of
car
weight, paint the shoulder of the tire with white shoe polish and look
for
the wear line. Yoko's have a little triangle that indicates where
that
should be. We've been running Yokos with these cold pressures for
four
years. These pressures are similar to those used by other cars
with similar
weights.
Your tire pressures seem low to me. What
tires do you have?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John
Christian [SMTP:jczoom_619@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001
11:26 PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.
> Cc: 'Team 3S'
> Subject:
RE: Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
>
> Yo Chuck,
>
>
Don't you mean 40/38 HOT pressure?????
>
> I run 24 on the rears
COLD. I'd have to look at my
> track logbook for the fronts, but
they are usually +4
> from the rear --- ie 28 COLD.
>
> Running on the track increases temp, and pressure. Hot
> is about
+8 to 10 degrees higher.
>
> I know it's warmer in TX than
PA!
>
> Be of good cheer,
> John
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:37:44
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: question
Of four Mitsu dealers here in Houston, I know that
three replace the
tensioner with the belt.
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Jannusch, Matt
[SMTP:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:02
AM
> To: 'Jennifer Ford';
'team3s-digest@mail.speedtoys.com'>
Subject: RE: Team3S: question
>
> I think usually the Mitsubishi
mechanics recommend replacing the tensioner
> while you are doing the 60k
service because it is (relatively) cheap
> insurance against a very
expensive failure. When I do 60k services I
> replace it, and I
think most other people do also.
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:50:05
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:31 AM
> To: 'Team 3S'
> Subject:
RE: Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
>
> I have gotten 3 two-day DEs
and loaned them to a friend for a day at
> Pocono and two days at Watkins
Glen. Guess I should have kept track of
> the mileage (I do about
200 miles at my DEs and the other ones totaled
> maybe 300 miles so they
are around 500 miles of track time on them).
>
> !!! Our mileage
runs about 200 track miles per DE Weekend.
>
> The Yoko A-032s I
have are doing well, showing more wear on the outside
> edge (vs. the
inside edge from street driving), but good wear across the
> center.
I imagine if any cords show it will be on the outside.
>
> !!! This
is how my first two sets of Yokos wore.
>
> so I don't know if
anyone does not use Heat Cycled tires for the track.
>
> !!! I heat
cycle my own new tires according to instrcutions from my "tire
> bitch" -
30 minutes at 40 mph, 30 minutes at 50 mph, 30 minutes at 60 mph,
> park
it overnight.
>
> Chuck, didn't you have more than stock camber
on
> your car(s) at Heartland Park?
>
> !!! Hard to say
- we have the car setup by the alignment shop to the
> maximum negative
camber allowed in the service manual at stock ride
> height. At the
track we lower the car. Not sure what this does to the
> camber, but
we thought at one time that it would increase in the negative
>
direction.
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:14:31
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
Chuck,
Yes lowering
the car increases negative camber. What car/tires does
your "tire lady"
run? And if those pressures work for you then fine. I
have stock
suspension (and therefore stock ride height and stock camber)
and run Yoko
A-032 255/40/17 at about the same pressures John does
(34-38 front/30-34
rear), chalk the sides, and my tires are worn down to
the top of the wear
triangles so that pressure works for me. I think
John has some 265- or
275-width tires on his Stealth TT when it was on
the track. This might
require his low pressures.
Remember that some people may work
the tires more and take sharper
corners. This will mean they need more
pressure in the tires. If you
take a less severe corner then you can
run with less air. Maybe by
lowering the car and increasing the
negative camber it is trying to push
the tires to the side more than normal
and you have to run higher
pressures.
Again I say ... I've
not seen anybody at the track run stock
suspension and stock ride height so I
can't compare my numbers. (Jim F
had stock springs but stiffer
anti-sway bars and strut tower bars,
Merritt had stiff springs and a lowered
car, Chuck had a lowered car at
least). So until someone with stock
setup hits the track we won't know
what they run (I'm hoping some of the
stock setup cars this weekend at
Sears Point will shed some light on the
subject).
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001
09:35
nope, 40/38 COLD - my son runs 42/38 COLD.
The "rule
of Thumb" our "tire bitch" gave us was 1 psi per 100# of car
weight, paint
the shoulder of the tire with white shoe polish and look
for
the wear
line. Yoko's have a little triangle that indicates where that
should
be. We've been running Yokos with these cold pressures for
four
years. These pressures are similar to those used by other cars
with
similar
weights.
Your tire pressures seem low to me.
What tires do you have?
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
John Christian [SMTP:jczoom_619@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24,
2001 11:26 PM
>
> Don't you mean 40/38 HOT pressure?????
>
> I run 24 on the rears COLD. I'd have to look at my
> track
logbook for the fronts, but they are usually +4
> from the rear ---
ie 28 COLD.
>
> Running on the track increases temp, and
pressure. Hot
> is about +8 to 10 degrees higher.
>
> I know
it's warmer in TX than PA!
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:19:17
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
> Here I am back with
another weird question. I'm thinking
> about buying some wheels from a
Porsche 911 Turbo as a second
> set for my spyder. I just love the way
they look.. and they
> arent branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as though
theyd be
> ricy.. But anyway.. The front wheels would have to be 18x8
> and the Rear wheels 18x10! Would this adverselly affect
>
performance and handling with our Front Biased AWD Cars? Any
> comments
about porsche wheels on a VR-4? Ever seen them??
You can do it as long as
the tires on both ends are the same. Wheel width
doesn't matter like
tire outer diameter does. Handling might be a little
"odd" with
different width wheels, but it won't affect the AWD system as
long as the
tires are the same outer diameter.
Same-sized wheels on both ends would
probably be a better choice. Check the
clearance and offset on those
wheels before you commit to buying them.
Especially with 10" wide wheels -
there might be clearance issues with the
suspension hardware.
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:20:17
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
Chuck,
When I hit a DE it is about
200 miles per event or 20 minutes per
session. At Mid-Ohio this was 200
miles (track of around 2.5 miles) but
Watkins Glen was a 20-minute session
(longer track of 3.5 miles) and
they cut that event short by three sessions
due to rain so I only ran
four sessions or about 100 miles. My friend
used the car for half a DE
and two other half DEs so I had to
guesstimate.
Hard to run on roads around here for the recommended speed
and time
required for heat cycling. Too many starts and stops, too many
hills
where 30 mph will get you clobbered by a semi. You guys have it
easy
out in the Midwest with your wide open roads. Maybe I'll have my
tires
shipped to you for heat cycling. These were my first track tires
and I
can not compare them to non-heat cycled tires but everyone at the
DEs
say this makes the tires last longer so I took a chance.
-
--Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis,
Charles E.
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 09:50
> !!! Our
mileage runs about 200 track miles per DE Weekend.
>
> !!! I heat
cycle my own new tires according to instrcutions from my
"tire
> bitch"
- 30 minutes at 40 mph, 30 minutes at 50 mph, 30 minutes at 60
mph,
>
park it overnight.
>
> !!! Hard to say - we have the car
setup by the alignment shop to the
> maximum negative camber allowed in
the service manual at stock ride
> height. At the track we lower the
car. Not sure what this does to
the
> camber, but we thought at
one time that it would increase in the
negative
>
direction.
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:55:52
-0600
From: "Moe Prasad" <
mprasad01@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
The "40" is 40% of the
width of the tire. So if they are both different
widths and are both
"40", that means that they will be different heights.
On a VR4, the 8"
width rim will probably require a 3 or a 5 mm spacer.
There is a long wait
for the spacers from H&R.
If you go with 17" in the front and 18" in
the back then you need to go to a
good tire shop and ask them for the right
combo.
The main thing you need to do is to make sure that the
circumference needs
to be exactly the same.
Rgds
Moe
- -----
Original Message -----
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To:
"'Team3S'" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, October 26, 2001 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in
Front and Rear?
> > Here I am back with another weird question.
I'm thinking
> > about buying some wheels from a Porsche 911 Turbo as a
second
> > set for my spyder. I just love the way they look.. and
they
> > arent branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as though theyd
be
> > ricy.. But anyway.. The front wheels would have to be
18x8
> > and the Rear wheels 18x10! Would this adverselly
affect
> > performance and handling with our Front Biased AWD Cars?
Any
> > comments about porsche wheels on a VR-4? Ever seen
them??
>
> You can do it as long as the tires on both ends are the
same. Wheel width
> doesn't matter like tire outer diameter
does. Handling might be a little
> "odd" with different width
wheels, but it won't affect the AWD system as
> long as the tires are the
same outer diameter.
>
> Same-sized wheels on both ends would
probably be a better choice. Check
the
> clearance and offset on
those wheels before you commit to buying them.
> Especially with 10" wide
wheels - there might be clearance issues with the
> suspension
hardware.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:36:32
-0400
From: Jennifer Ford <
jlford4@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
tensioner question
Hi folks,
Thank you all for the
excellent questions and advice regarding my
tensioner dilemma. I'll follow up
on the strategies that you've
suggested & keep you posted on my
adventures with Firestone. I get my ES
back this weekend, after long five
months. Ah well, at least now I have
an engine with 30k miles instead of
77k!
Thanks again,
Jennifer
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:40:58
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
> The "40" is 40% of
the width of the tire. So if they are
> both different widths and
are both "40", that means that they
> will be different
heights.
In my original message, "tire" doesn't equal "wheel".
Sorry if anyone was
confused. I think Moe made it clearer.
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:14:27
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From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Sticky Odometer, Indiglo Gauges, and SRS Light
It probably IS a
Yankee car (since AFAIK only 3kGTs were sold on the
continent), but have you
taken it to any Mitsu dealers? Dodge dealers there
have probably never
worked on one.
Also, did you disconnect the battery, give it a FULL
charge and then
reconnect & try the TSB procedures? The way it
sounds in the TSB, the
sequence might require full battery power (amps, not
just volts) for it to
work... Your battery may be strong enough to fire
your car right up, but
may still have suffered damage, old age, or just not
have a full charge.
Good luck, Henri.
Forrest
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Original Message -----
From: "Henri Le Hir" <
hlehir@lucent.com>
> Hi Bob,
Everyone
> I read that part, and the CD Manual...doesn't help.
> My
car is a direct import (it's a Dodge), and I'm in continental Europe.
>
Dodge / Chrysler dealers have the "hey...it's a direct import...and it's
a
> Damm JPN Car"..
> and the mitsu dealers are
saying...."hey...it's a direct import...and it's
a
> Damm Yankee
Car".
> It seems that without a Scan Tool (DRB II) , I CANNOT get the
errors
> out...so...
> And I've been doing all the preventive
maintenance....all seems fine....
> I had the problem because my car was
in an Airport parking for 7 days, and
> it was VERY cold outside last
winter (battery voltage drop ?)
> Anyway...my battery is 100%
functional...and I STILL have the error.
> So, without a DRB II, I cannot
determine if I HAVE, or I HAD a problem.
> And without the DRB II, it
seems that I cannot reset / erase the error
code.
> So, I ordered a
pocket logger, and I hope it will be able to do what a DRB
> II
does.
> If not...I can either ship my car to the States (just kidding),
get a DRB
> II, live with the idiot light, or remove the bulb (anyway...I
do NOT
beleive
> in airbags....I always wear my safety belt....)...I
simply would like to
be
> sure that this stupid pill of explosives will
not explode in front of my
> nose without any good reason because of a SRS
malfunction.
> Best
> Henri
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:32:05
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From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Sticky Odometer, Indiglo Gauges, and SRS Light
And BTW, part of
the TSB sequence says have the key ON when you unhook the
battery.
Can't hurt to try...
- --F
> It probably IS a Yankee car (since
AFAIK only 3kGTs were sold on the
> continent), but have you taken it to
any Mitsu dealers? Dodge dealers
there
> have probably never
worked on one.
>
> Also, did you disconnect the battery, give it a
FULL charge and then
> reconnect & try the TSB procedures? The
way it sounds in the TSB, the
> sequence might require full battery power
(amps, not just volts) for it to
> work... Your battery may be
strong enough to fire your car right up, but
> may still have suffered
damage, old age, or just not have a full charge.
>
> Good luck,
Henri.
>
> Forrest
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "Henri Le Hir" <
hlehir@lucent.com>
> > Hi Bob,
Everyone
> > I read that part, and the CD Manual...doesn't
help.
> > My car is a direct import (it's a Dodge), and I'm in
continental Europe.
> > Dodge / Chrysler dealers have the "hey...it's a
direct import...and it's
a
> > Damm JPN Car"..
> > and the
mitsu dealers are saying...."hey...it's a direct import...and
it's
>
a
> > Damm Yankee Car".
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:23:33
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From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Updated: 60k workshop page
> No captions yet, but the pictures
are there... Here's the direct URL:
>
>
http://www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/60Kpictures/preview_page1.html>
(As always, that needs to be one line if you want to click/paste
it)
By popular demand, I've added captions to the pictures so you can
figure out
what's going on. Also, there's now a page
7.
Enjoy,
- --Erik
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:42:46
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From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
Whadda bitch. (grin)
If
I did that on the MRS (1psi per 100#) Id crash.
I still need to see about
38-40hot up front.
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Willis, Charles E.
wrote:
> nope, 40/38 COLD - my son runs 42/38 COLD.
>
>
The "rule of Thumb" our "tire bitch" gave us was 1 psi per 100# of car
>
weight, paint the shoulder of the tire with white shoe polish and look
for
> the wear line. Yoko's have a little triangle that indicates
where that
> should be. We've been running Yokos with these cold
pressures for four
> years. These pressures are similar to those
used by other cars with similar
> weights.
>
> Your tire
pressures seem low to me. What tires do you have?
>
> >
-----Original Message-----
> > From: John Christian
[SMTP:jczoom_619@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:26
PM
> > To: Willis, Charles E.
> > Cc: 'Team 3S'
> >
Subject: RE: Team3S: tire wear on track DE's
> >
> > Yo
Chuck,
> >
> > Don't you mean 40/38 HOT pressure?????
>
>
> > I run 24 on the rears COLD. I'd have to look at
my
> > track logbook for the fronts, but they are usually +4
>
> from the rear --- ie 28 COLD.
> >
> >
Running on the track increases temp, and pressure. Hot
> > is about +8
to 10 degrees higher.
> >
> > I know it's warmer in TX than
PA!
> >
> > Be of good cheer,
> > John
Geoff
Mohler
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:45:19
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From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
No, I have 17x10s on the
back of our VR4 with 0 problems.
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Moe Prasad
wrote:
> The "40" is 40% of the width of the tire. So if they
are both different
> widths and are both "40", that means that they will
be different heights.
>
> On a VR4, the 8" width rim will probably
require a 3 or a 5 mm spacer.
> There is a long wait for the spacers from
H&R.
>
> If you go with 17" in the front and 18" in the back
then you need to go to a
> good tire shop and ask them for the right
combo.
>
> The main thing you need to do is to make sure that the
circumference needs
> to be exactly the same.
>
>
Rgds
> Moe
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:40:50
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Keith Code (off topic)
Thanks for covering for me Matt, I've been
out for a couple days. My
motorcycle/motocross experience has always
been some of the most valuable
performance driving experience I've ever
had. I don't regret introducing
ideas from outside the box.
Better still, I didn't want to miss a chance to
further frustrate Darren
:)
For those interested, Keith Code is a racing guru. He refers to
racing a
motorcycle as motorcycle driving. Much of his racing
instruction is not
specific to motorcycles, but fundemental so as to make it
applicable to all
forms of racing. I no longer have the book since I
gave it to a shifter
cart racer who went on to a top three finish in his
class. He later
informed me that it was one of the more profound racing
instruction books he
has read. I found his full on full off analogy to
be simple and direct. It
says that in any form of racing, time in
transition is time wasted. I
thought this was relevent to the
discussion and apologise for the
confusion.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To:
"'Team3S'" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Braking With
Reds
> > Jeezus you have no idea sometimes. I've wasted
enough of
> > my time with you already.
>
> I guess we'll
have to agree to disagree (again). I will post no further
>
responses to any of your e-mails, but rather just ignore them as best
I
can.
> The point I was trying to make (probably not in the best way)
was that I
> thought you missed the point of DaveT's message, but that
doesn't really
> matter.
>
> ...and now back to our regularly
scheduled technical discussions about 3/S
> cars (I hope).
>
>
I hope others from this list offered help to the person with the '91
TT
that
> wouldn't start. I don't recall if he mentioned where he
lives or not, but
> it might be a good thing if someone with a datalogger
could hook up to his
> car and see if any codes are set (CAS, coils,
etc).
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
> Engine
assembly begins this weekend...
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:59:49
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From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Keith Code (off topic)
I no longer have the book since
I gave it to a shifter
>cart racer who went on to a top three finish in
his class. He later
>informed me that it was one of the more
profound racing instruction books he
>has read. I found his full on
full off analogy to be simple and direct. It
>says that in any form
of racing, time in transition is time wasted. I
>thought this was
relevent to the discussion and apologise for the confusion.
>
I'm not
sure if this is relevant, but my son recently got a chance to run a
kart. He
had been running with us in his Fieros and in my VR4 (where he was
only 2 sec
slower than me his first time in the car, and scared shitless he
might break
it). Anyway, he came in from his first set of practice laps in
the
kart, and his instructor said: "I see you've been driving sports cars
on the
track." How's that? "I see you using the brakes. Stop doing that,
and you'll
go much faster." Like you said, full on or full off. Brakes in
a kart
are for holding it on the hill whilst waiting to get onto the
scales.
Rich/old poop>
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:20:59
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From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Last Call for Sears Point this weekend
Last Call for 2 days of NASA HPDE
(High Performance Driving Events) this
weekend, October 27th and 28th at
Sears Point. This is a great, fun track
to run! This is also a
family event, and we'll be doing a special Parade
Lap each day - driving kids
around the track so they may experience what it
feels like (low speed, of
course). If you bring the kids, bring 'em in
Halloween costumes, since
there will be a Party in DayCare with prizes for
best costume... If you
just want to watch, it's only $5 for parking, and $5
if you want to join in
the parade lap. Big NASA BBQ Saturday Night! If you
want to
participate as a driver, please sign up for the event. It's at:
http://www.nasaproracing.com/typ_html_nav.asp?ObjectID=6128Here
are the folks who are coming so far:
Geoff Mohler, Lingenfelter
Trans Am
Nissa Mohler '95 RX7 TT
Bob Forrest , '94 Stealth
NT
Eileen Thomas "ET", '94 Stealth NT
Jim Berry, '93 Stealth
R/T TT
Kurt Zobel, '96 3000GT SL
Ann Koch, '93 Stealth R/T
TT
Jim Elferdink, '95 3000GT VR4
Rick Pierce '92 3000GT
VR-4
Michael Baldwin, '96 3000GT VR4
Damon Rachell, 94 3000GT
VR4
Chris Winkley, '95 3000GT VR4 (?)
Ken Middaugh, '94
Stealth R/T TT
Walt Wolney, '01 Dodge Neon
Jeff Sloan,
Lingenfelter Trans Am
Jay Cena, '01 Lamborghini Diablo
George
Passot, '01 Subaru WRX
More details about lodging and anything else
you need to know on the
Speedtoys site:
http://www.speedtoys.com/sp102728.htmNASA
has blocked off an entire section for us in the Paddock near the hot
pits -
150' x 40'. Jeff and Nissa will be getting there tonight to
ensure
space is blocked off. It's in the lower paddock area (near the
grid).
Please park your 3S cars or any other car you are planning on racing
there.
Support vehicles should plan on parking up the hill above the paddock
area.
Look for them and us near the big white trailer with the purple
awnings.
Nissa says:
"We'll be providing shelter (the
trailer)
Entertainment (the 3 year old)
Candy (for the kids in all of
us)
The Grill (for food), paper plates, napkins and plastic
utensils
What you can bring:
Helmet for your head if you are
planning on racing or riding.
If you want to grill stuff, bring the meats
that you want to grill and buns
or whatever else. We'll TRY to have ketchup
and mustard on hand.
Please bring a cooler and drinks for yourself. If
you don't have a cooler,
bring stuff you want to drink and we'll stick it in
ours as long as there's
space.
It looks like it will be cool out, I'll
bring a little coffee maker.
Bring a seat if you have one.
There
will be a free BBQ Saturday night at the track. The BBQ is usually
VERY good
food, free drinks and plenty of bench racing. I highly recommend
sticking
around for it even if you live near by.
Don't forget that Sunday is 'fall
back' day, so you get to sleep in an extra
hour Sunday :)
See you guys
Saturday!
Nissa
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:22:48
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From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in Front and Rear?
Porsche wheels fit our
cars?? Same bolt pattern etc.?
Sam
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Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To:
'Team3S' <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Friday, October 26, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Dif Wheel Sizes in
Front and Rear?
>> Here I am back with another weird question. I'm
thinking
>> about buying some wheels from a Porsche 911 Turbo as a
second
>> set for my spyder. I just love the way they look.. and
they
>> arent branded "Porsche" so I didnt feel as though theyd
be
>> ricy.. But anyway.. The front wheels would have to be
18x8
>> and the Rear wheels 18x10! Would this adverselly
affect
>> performance and handling with our Front Biased AWD Cars?
Any
>> comments about porsche wheels on a VR-4? Ever seen
them??
>
>You can do it as long as the tires on both ends are the
same. Wheel width
>doesn't matter like tire outer diameter
does. Handling might be a little
>"odd" with different width wheels,
but it won't affect the AWD system as
>long as the tires are the same
outer diameter.
>
>Same-sized wheels on both ends would probably be
a better choice. Check
the
>clearance and offset on those wheels
before you commit to buying them.
>Especially with 10" wide wheels - there
might be clearance issues with the
>suspension
hardware.
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:39:39
EDT
From:
Sportsmobile101@aol.comSubject:
Team3S: Car still won't start update
Hi team, i was finally able to find
a Mass Airflow Sensor at an ok price, but
unfortunately that was not the
problem :-(. I am going to buy a used crank
angle sensor and try that,
if that doesnt' work i guess i will end up selling
the car. I asked
this already, but where exactly is the CAS and how hard is
it to replace?
Please let me know if there is something else i could do.
Thanks.
Christian.
92 SL
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