Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Saturday, October 20 2001
Volume 01 : Number
650
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Date:
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:28:27 -0400
From: MIHAI RAICU <
aa2345@WAYNE.EDU>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
Ceramic brakes?
To the brake experts,
About 1 month ago there was
some discussion on the list about
CERAMIC BRAKES (~$3000) for our cars for
race track
application only (I believe the coment was made that the
operating temp of those brakes is very high). However, why
is this
the case? There are some new cars (Porche) that come
with ceramic
brakes, and they are street drivable as well as
track ready. Can these
brakes be adapted to our cars like
Brad's Big Red kit was
retrofitted?
Just a question; however, I wouldn't mind having
ceramic
brakes on the street.
- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4
Apexi
AVC-R (1 atm)
Greedy Type-S BOV
BF Goodrich SS Brake Lines
Falken
FK-451 245/40/YR18
- -- Wayne State University --
- ---- School of
Medicine ----
- ------- Detroit, MI --------
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:18:31
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
1998 and 1999 models of 3000GT have the
coolant tank located on top
of the bumper reinforcement and under the bumper
cover (in space that
is empty and unused in your car) - ~$47 list. Using one
of these
would totally free up the space used now by your coolant tank.
Just
an idea. CAPS shows the details.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
To: "Team 3S"
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:42 PM
Subject: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
I'm wandering if the coolant reservoir operates at the same
temp and
pressure as the rest of the system. I've noticed that if I
can
replace the OEM unit with a small polypropylene bottle, it
leaves
enough room to run a cold air intake pipe from the front air dam
up
to the intake. I'm just not sure how much pressure and volume I
will
need. Any thoughts or suggestions would be
appreciated.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:29:57
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Question about a part
Four hoses attach to most of our TT/VR4
plenums - clutch booster
vacuum, brake booster vacuum, FPR, BPV. Follow the
hose to the device
to be sure which is which. The service manuals can be very
useful in
identifying parts on our cars.
It sound like you are talking
about the vacuum reservior for the
clutch booster. The hose attaches to the
plenum near the corner near
the brake master cylinder. This reservior
supplies vacuum for the
clutch booster when you are the plenum is under
pressure. A one-way
valve in that hose allows air to be drawn out of the
reservior; it
closes when the plenum is pressurized. The tank has two
cylinders and
is located under the engine/trany near the front right wheel. I
can
think of no good reason to disable this system.
If you do not like
the location of the pipe (I didn't) then it can be
replaced with a 10-mm ID,
thick-walled hose or another pipe. See my
web page below for one
idea.
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius8/j8-2-clutchvactube.htmThere
is a purge cannister near the radiator coolant reserve tank.
This one
connects to a hose going to the fuel tank to extract vapors
and recyle them
into the intake hose. No hoses connect to the plenum.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "noble" <
nketo@sympatico.ca>
To: "Team3S"
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question about a
part
Hi everyone,
There's a purge canister in our TT/VR4 cars that
is fed by a pipe
from the intake plenium, around the firewall, and crossing
close to
the MAF intake. What exactly does this thing do, and if not
working,
what are the side effects? (Ie. poor idle/vacuum,
etc.)
Thanks in advance,
Noble
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:31:16
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Hey Jeff/list, this space is unused on US
spec cars but in the 1G Euro Spec
(not sure about later models, Roger?) cars
this is used to store headlight
cleaner fluid and is a non pressurized tank.
I may use this space and get a
tank from roger to use the space for the tank
on my W/A Injection kit,
thanks to Roger Gerl for the idea since I pulled it
off his website. OTOH I
may relocate my battery and a 1gallon tank to
the passenger side of the rear
hatch area to help even out the weight
distribution corner to corner.
Especially since the engine is stuffed towards
the driver side of the car
which may explain why my drivers side front BFG KD
got so chewed up this
year :(
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Lucius
[SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:19
AM
> To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
>
> 1998 and 1999 models of
3000GT have the coolant tank located on top
> of the bumper reinforcement
and under the bumper cover (in space that
> is empty and unused in your
car) - ~$47 list. Using one of these
> would totally free up the space
used now by your coolant tank. Just
> an idea. CAPS shows the
details.
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com***
Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:43:22
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: Ceramic brakes?
Geoff Mohler posted about a carbon/carbon setup for
our cars,
price was in the $1700 range. He said track only because
they
tend to absorb moisture and must be dry to work properly so
you
build heat to dry them and in most cases high performance
brakes require high
temps to work properly.
Jim
Berry
================================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: MIHAI RAICU <
aa2345@WAYNE.EDU>
To: Team <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 5:28 AM
Subject: Team3S: Re: Ceramic
brakes?
> To the brake experts,
>
> About 1 month ago
there was some discussion on the list about
> CERAMIC BRAKES (~$3000) for
our cars for race track
> application only (I believe the coment was made
that the
> operating temp of those brakes is very high). However,
why
> is this the case? There are some new cars (Porche) that come
> with ceramic brakes, and they are street drivable as well as
>
track ready. Can these brakes be adapted to our cars like
> Brad's
Big Red kit was retrofitted?
>
> Just a question; however, I
wouldn't mind having ceramic
> brakes on the street.
>
>
-MIHAI-
>
> 95 Red VR4
> Apexi AVC-R (1 atm)
> Greedy
Type-S BOV
> BF Goodrich SS Brake Lines
> Falken FK-451
245/40/YR18
> -- Wayne State University --
> ---- School of Medicine
----
> ------- Detroit, MI --------
*** Info:
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:48:30
-0700
From: Rick Pierce <
piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject:
Battery Relocation was Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Although the battery
box is pretty large - Summit Racing has a complete Battery
Relocation Kit for
$42 in 3 colors. Anyone put one of these in their
boot/trunk
area? Is there a way to fit a stock size battery in one of
the side
compartments safely (with a battery box).
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To:
"'Jeff Lucius'" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>; "'Team
3S'"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 6:31 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
> Hey Jeff/list, this space is unused on US spec cars but in
the 1G Euro Spec
> (not sure about later models, Roger?) cars this is used
to store headlight
> cleaner fluid and is a non pressurized tank. I may
use this space and get a
> tank from roger to use the space for the tank
on my W/A Injection kit,
> thanks to Roger Gerl for the idea since I
pulled it off his website. OTOH I
> may relocate my battery and a
1gallon tank to the passenger side of the rear
> hatch area to help even
out the weight distribution corner to corner.
> Especially since the
engine is stuffed towards the driver side of the car
> which may explain
why my drivers side front BFG KD got so chewed up this
> year
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Lucius
[SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:19
AM
> > To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st> >
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
> >
> > 1998 and 1999
models of 3000GT have the coolant tank located on top
> > of the bumper
reinforcement and under the bumper cover (in space that
> > is empty
and unused in your car) - ~$47 list. Using one of these
> > would
totally free up the space used now by your coolant tank. Just
> > an
idea. CAPS shows the details.
> > Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com***
Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:56:22
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Great minds must think alike, Russell. I
have already purchased the
Euro tank from Roger and plan to install it this
winter as the
storage tank for my ERL Aquamist W/I system. Thanks to Roger
Gerl for
this idea and the tank.
There might even be enough room in
there for two tanks?
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To:
"'Jeff Lucius'" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>; "'Team
3S'"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
Hey Jeff/list, this space is unused on US spec cars but in the
1G
Euro Spec (not sure about later models, Roger?) cars this is used
to
store headlight cleaner fluid and is a non pressurized tank. I may
use
this space and get a tank from roger to use the space for the
tank on my W/A
Injection kit, thanks to Roger Gerl for the idea since
I pulled it off his
website.
<snip>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:05:26
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
> Especially since the engine is stuffed
towards the driver side of the car
> which may explain why my drivers side
front BFG KD got so chewed up this
> year :(
>
[Willis, Charles E.] Were you driving track events on courses
run
clockwise? That might be a better explanation for the usually
outside front
tire geting chewed up.
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:10:54
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Battery Relocation was Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Yeah Rick that
is how I am going to do it on my car, I am going to
remove the little plastic
trays and put the battery box over there plus the
tank. All of which will
be secured with approved straps or hold downs. No
jerry rigging going
on back there, especially since the WI tank will be
sitting next to the
battery which will be sitting above the fuel pump access
hatch. Water +
electricity + gas vapor =BOOM
> From: Rick Pierce
[SMTP:piercera@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:49
AM
> To: Furman, Russell; 'Team 3S'
> Subject: Battery Relocation
was Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
>
> Although the battery box is
pretty large - Summit Racing has a complete
> Battery
> Relocation
Kit for $42 in 3 colors. Anyone put one of these in their
>
boot/trunk
> area? Is there a way to fit a stock size battery in one
of the side
> compartments safely (with a battery box).
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
>
To: "'Jeff Lucius'" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>; "'Team
3S'"
> <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
>
>
> > Hey Jeff/list, this space is unused on
US spec cars but in the 1G Euro
> Spec
> > (not sure about later
models, Roger?) cars this is used to store
> headlight
> >
cleaner fluid and is a non pressurized tank. I may use this space and
>
get a
> > tank from roger to use the space for the tank on my W/A
Injection kit,
> > thanks to Roger Gerl for the idea since I pulled it
off his website.
> OTOH I
> > may relocate my battery and a
1gallon tank to the passenger side of the
> rear
> > hatch area
to help even out the weight distribution corner to corner.
> >
Especially since the engine is stuffed towards the driver side of the
>
car
> > which may explain why my drivers side front BFG KD got so
chewed up this
> > year
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:17:18
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Actually I was thinking of buying two tanks
and just cutting about 70% of
the second tank off and having it grafted onto
the first one... Just need to
find someone that is good at merging plastics.
Still prefer the tank in the
rear hatch idea more but I will go with whatever
I can run with in SCCA and
road course competition rules will allow. Biggest
thing is I am trying to
clean up the engine bay a bit it is a friggin
nightmare trying to work on
this car with all the crap I have to take out
every time I need to get in
there. I repeat an earlier statement
whoever designed our engine bay layout
should be beaten, tortured, and then
shot.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Lucius
[SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:56
AM
> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
>
> Great minds must think
alike, Russell. I have already purchased the
> Euro tank from Roger and
plan to install it this winter as the
> storage tank for my ERL Aquamist
W/I system. Thanks to Roger Gerl for
> this idea and the tank.
>
> There might even be enough room in there for two tanks?
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
>
To: "'Jeff Lucius'" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>; "'Team
3S'"
> <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
>
> Hey Jeff/list, this space is unused on US spec cars
but in the 1G
> Euro Spec (not sure about later models, Roger?) cars this
is used to
> store headlight cleaner fluid and is a non pressurized tank.
I may
> use this space and get a tank from roger to use the space for
the
> tank on my W/A Injection kit, thanks to Roger Gerl for the idea
since
> I pulled it off his website.
*** Info:
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:25:27
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
Team3S: was coolant reservoir now chewed BFG KD'S
Not really, two open
track events at lime rock park and some Appalachian
Canyon Runs with a bunch
of Rustang Firechicken friends of mine... of course
it could just be the way
I drive in general. I am very hard on my car (wait
until the last
minute to brake before going into a corner) get on the gas
coming out
of the corner etc.....
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Willis, Charles E. [SMTP:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 10:05 AM
> To: 'Team 3S'
> Subject: RE:
Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
>
> > Especially since the engine is
stuffed towards the driver side of the
> car
> > which may
explain why my drivers side front BFG KD got so chewed up this
> > year
:(
> >
> [Willis, Charles E.]
Were you driving track events on courses run
> clockwise? That might
be a better explanation for the usually outside
> front
> tire
geting chewed up.
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:52:32
+0200 (MEST)
From: <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: Ceramic brakes?
I don't think that it is impossible to
adapt them to our cars but the whole part around the hub must be changed as they
are not heat ressistant than tehy should be. The ceramic brake from the new
Porsches is about $8000 and when ordered with a new Porsche, the whole setup is
about $15000 more than with normal brakes (titanium parts of the suspension).
I drove a new 911 with them and they don't fade in any conditions ! Rain
did not any bad to them but there is also a technique built into the ABS system
that the pads will be moved to the rotor to remove water when rain is detected.
In fact the braking distance improved after braking down from 150km/h to 0.
Ceramic brakes work indeed better when the temps are hot :-) But $8000 .....
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch - ----- original
Nachricht --------
CERAMIC BRAKES (~$3000) for our cars for race track
application only (I believe the coment was made that the
operating temp
of those brakes is very high). However, why
is this the case?
There are some new cars (Porche) that come
with ceramic brakes, and they are
street drivable as well as
track ready. Can these brakes be adapted to
our cars like
Brad's Big Red kit was retrofitted?
Just a question;
however, I wouldn't mind having ceramic
brakes on the
street.
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:39:22
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
Another option is to use the small
dry-cell Dyna-Batt, or two of
them.
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius6/j6-2-dynabatt.htmSeveral
of us have these and have had no problems.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To:
"'Rick Pierce'" <
piercera@pacbell.net>; "'Team
3S'"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: Battery Relocation was Re:
Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Yeah Rick that is how I am going to do it on my
car, I am going to
remove the little plastic trays and put the battery box
over there
plus the tank. All of which will be secured with approved
straps or
hold downs. No jerry rigging going on back there, especially
since
the WI tank will be sitting next to the battery which will be
sitting
above the fuel pump access hatch. Water + electricity + gas
vapor
=BOOM
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:54:39
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
I had seen that on your site Jeff...
only 3 problems, here in CT we get
mornings that it is below 0 deg C, all the
gauges (Dual EGT, Fuel Pressure,
Oil Pressure, Boost Gauge, Water Temp) I am
putting in along with the mild
stereo upgrades already present. I do not feel
the batteries + alternator
could handle the electrical drain first thing in
the morning. Currently I am
running a optima red top and would prefer to keep
since It has not given me
any problems in the past year of ownership. But hey
if someone has a set up
similar to what I have and is running dual Dyna Batts
I am all ears.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Lucius
[SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:39
AM
> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
>
> Another option is to
use the small dry-cell Dyna-Batt, or two of
> them.
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius6/j6-2-dynabatt.htm>
> Several of us have these and have had no problems.
>
>
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com***
Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:26:41
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Battery Relocation was Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Heres
mine:
http://www.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/celicas/mods1/DSCF0248.jpgOn
Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Rick Pierce wrote:
> Although the battery box is
pretty large - Summit Racing has a complete Battery
> Relocation Kit for
$42 in 3 colors. Anyone put one of these in their boot/trunk
>
area? Is there a way to fit a stock size battery in one of the
side
> compartments safely (with a battery box).
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
>
To: "'Jeff Lucius'" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>; "'Team
3S'"
> <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
>
> > Hey Jeff/list, this space is unused on US spec
cars but in the 1G Euro Spec
> > (not sure about later models, Roger?)
cars this is used to store headlight
> > cleaner fluid and is a non
pressurized tank. I may use this space and get a
> > tank from roger to
use the space for the tank on my W/A Injection kit,
> > thanks to Roger
Gerl for the idea since I pulled it off his website. OTOH I
> >
may relocate my battery and a 1gallon tank to the passenger side of the
rear
> > hatch area to help even out the weight distribution corner to
corner.
> > Especially since the engine is stuffed towards the driver
side of the car
> > which may explain why my drivers side front BFG KD
got so chewed up this
> > year
>
> > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Lucius
[SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001
9:19 AM
> > > To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st> >
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
> > >
> > >
1998 and 1999 models of 3000GT have the coolant tank located on top
> >
> of the bumper reinforcement and under the bumper cover (in space
that
> > > is empty and unused in your car) - ~$47 list. Using one
of these
> > > would totally free up the space used now by your
coolant tank. Just
> > > an idea. CAPS shows the details.
>
> >
> > > Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.comGeoff
Mohler
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:16:32
-0400
From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Jeff!! Great idea! I just called my
dealer, he said $36.55 (our 25%
disc) for the tank... I'm gunna do it!
I've been so bummed trying to
figure where to put my alky inj kit and some
other stuff down there.
That tank and the DynaBatt are awesome!! Great
ideas...
From CAPS, it looks like you'll need the small tube going over
to the
tank too. Does the tank really sit on top of the radiator like
the
picture shows?
Ken
Jeff Lucius wrote:
> 1998 and
1999 models of 3000GT have the coolant tank located on top
> of the bumper
reinforcement and under the bumper cover (in space that
> is empty and
unused in your car) - ~$47 list. Using one of these
> would totally free
up the space used now by your coolant tank. Just
> an idea. CAPS shows the
details.
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
> To: "Team
3S" <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:42 PM
> Subject: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
>
> I'm wandering if the coolant reservoir operates at the
same temp and
> pressure as the rest of the system. I've noticed
that if I can
> replace the OEM unit with a small polypropylene bottle, it
leaves
> enough room to run a cold air intake pipe from the front air dam
up
> to the intake. I'm just not sure how much pressure and volume I
will
> need. Any thoughts or suggestions would be
appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT
- --
Ken
Stanton
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
'91 Pearl White R/T
TwinTurbo
Super Snoopy - Plates 007KEN
FIPK, HKS Exhaust, APEXi AVC-R,
Improved Precats
Bozzspeed Lightweight Flywheel, RPS Stage II
6-speed
transmission (5-6 speed conversion)
Aiwa MP3 Stereo
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:24:38
-0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
> Actually I was thinking of buying two
tanks and just cutting
> about 70% of the second tank off and having it
grafted
> onto the first one... Just need to find someone that is
good
> at merging plastics.
What about relocating the battery,
removing the battery tray, and grafting a
1+gal tank to the top of the washer
fluid tank? Then you have a huge tank
and a built-in low-water warning
light. You could then either leave the
washer fluid pump attached
(would only spray water on your windshield) or
route its intake so some other
tiny tank ('99 coolant reservoir bottle?) so
that the once a year you use
your windshield sprayer nozzles, you'd have
windshield cleaner.
Don't know if the above is practical, but that's what
I'm leaning
toward. If only the Aquamist system wasn't so dang expensive
:-)
Must wait for budget to catch up to ideas for car fun.
- --Erik
'95
VR-4
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:01:04
-0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
I have two in the back passenger side. No
problems.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius
[mailto:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:39 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
Another option is to use the small
dry-cell Dyna-Batt, or two of
them.
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius6/j6-2-dynabatt.htmSeveral
of us have these and have had no problems.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
To:
"'Rick Pierce'" <
piercera@pacbell.net>; "'Team
3S'"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: Battery Relocation was Re:
Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Yeah Rick that is how I am going to do it on my
car, I am going to
remove the little plastic trays and put the battery box
over there
plus the tank. All of which will be secured with approved
straps or
hold downs. No jerry rigging going on back there, especially
since
the WI tank will be sitting next to the battery which will be
sitting
above the fuel pump access hatch. Water + electricity + gas
vapor
=BOOM
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:09:02
-0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
Russell,
I'm at 6,500 ASL and the
two Dyna-batts start me just fine even
though I park
outside.
Jim
- -----Original Message-----
From: Furman, Russell
[mailto:RFurman2@MassMutual.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:55
AM
To: 'Team 3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
I had
seen that on your site Jeff... only 3 problems, here in CT we get
mornings
that it is below 0 deg C, all the gauges (Dual EGT, Fuel Pressure,
Oil
Pressure, Boost Gauge, Water Temp) I am putting in along with the mild
stereo
upgrades already present. I do not feel the batteries + alternator
could
handle the electrical drain first thing in the morning. Currently I
am
running a optima red top and would prefer to keep since It has not given
me
any problems in the past year of ownership. But hey if someone has a set
up
similar to what I have and is running dual Dyna Batts I am all
ears.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Lucius
[SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:39
AM
> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Battery Relocation
>
> Another option is to
use the small dry-cell Dyna-Batt, or two of
> them.
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius6/j6-2-dynabatt.htm>
> Several of us have these and have had no problems.
>
>
Jeff Lucius,
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:39:56
-0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Check the alignment and ensure no suspension
parts are worn or bent.
The tire wear should not be affected by any inherent
weight imbalance.
Kurt
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Friday,
October 19, 2001 7:05 AM
To: 'Team 3S'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant
Reservoir
> Especially since the engine is stuffed towards the driver
side of the car
> which may explain why my drivers side front BFG KD got
so chewed up this
> year :(
>
[Willis,
Charles E.] Were you driving track events on courses
run
clockwise? That might be a better explanation for the usually
outside front
tire geting chewed up.
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:50:04
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
Kurt that was the first thing I had checked
out, The worst part it is only
that one tire that got FUBAR the rest of the
KD's are still in great shape
sitting in my basement waiting to be remounted
come spring. No funny wear
patterns to speak of, rears wore equally,
the front passenger wore a bit
more compared to the rear. That is just due to
the fact it had more weight
on it. I just don't know... I am watching
my KDWS's like a hawk we shall
see what the winter shows for me and I will
report back.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zobel, Kurt
[SMTP:KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:40 PM
>
To: 'Team 3S'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
>
>
Check the alignment and ensure no suspension parts are worn or bent.
> The
tire wear should not be affected by any inherent weight imbalance.
>
> Kurt
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:23:20
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
FW: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
Okay, dudes, here is
the pricing for the Panther Plus Pads group purchase.
Notice that you will
have a 15% discount from the price listed, but have to
add in
shipping.
Please reply directly to Ali of Jamn Motorsports with your
name, address,
order, and prefered shipping method.
Chuck
Willis
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
anaimi@apple.com
[SMTP:anaimi@apple.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:01 AM
>
To: Willis, Charles E.
> Subject: Re: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad
Group Purchase
>
> Here are the list prices that I was quoted by
Andie at Carbotech.
>
> CT-383 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] rear 91-98 GT and SL
>
CT-530 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] front 91-98 GT and SL
> CT-531 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 91-98 VR4 front
> CT-532 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 91-93 VR4 rear
> CT-631 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 94-98 VR4 rear
> CT810(F40) $136.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] Stillen Brembo 4 piston
> upgrade
>
CT-594(?) ???.?? Porsche Big
Red upgrade
> As I offered to you the discount would be 15% off the
price plus
> shipping charges.
> I would need the name and
addresses of the individuals and the order for
> each.
>
>
Have a great weekend.
>
> Ali
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:48:50
EDT
From:
NETM1NDER@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Re:
New Front strut tower brace
offer.
============================================================
Special for team members of 3si & stealth/starnet Price of strut tower
brace with custom battery holddown is $300.+ shipping & handeling. This
is a
$50.00
discount.
===========================================================
> UPPER FRONT STRUT TOWER BRACE
<
You have the opportunity to get a front strut tower brace for
your
3000GT, SL or VR4-1st or 2nd generation. (1991 to
1999)
Benefits of a front strut tower brace can be
seen at the site below.
http://e30m3performance.com/myths/Strutbar_Theory/strut_bar_theory.htm
The address above must all be one
line.
If it isn't, then copy it to your browser as
one line to make it work.
-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Colors available are in stock:
*
Chrome
<- These are Powder Coating Colors
*
Blue
*
Red
*
Black
* White
For other colors please E-mail me
for info.
Strut tower brace with battery
hold down is $350.00
The strut tower brace is machined
from 6061-T6 Aluminum and uses a
solid
brace of
. 625 inches x 1.5 inches that connects to the two strut
mounts.
A picture of the bar with installation
instructions can be seen at:
http://www.speedtoys.com/~egross/3000GT/FrontStrutTowerBar/FrontStrutTowerBar.
html
The address above must all be one
line.
If it isn't, then copy it to
your browser as one line to make it
work.
A battery
hold down is required because the stock battery & stock hold
down cannot be used due to
clearance.
A battery like the Optima or
one with dimensions of
H= 6.75" x W=
6.813" x L= 9.75" or smaller can be
used.
(H, W, & L can be +or-
.125")
Another option is to relocate
your battery to the back so no holddown
is
required.
Price of Strut
tower brace with custom battery holddown is $300.00
+ shipping &
handling . Make payment check to Chris
Thorne.
Payment
checks will go
to:
Chris
Thorne
Apt.
212
1404 East Schuylkill
Road
Pottstown, PA 19465
Shipments are made by UPS
ground and will be insured
NETM1NDER@aol.com is the E-mail address for
Chris Throne.
He can be contacted if you have
technical questions.
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:12:03
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Carbotech Panther brake pad
I see from their web site (
http://www.carbotecheng.com/ ) that
this
pad is designed primarily for the track with a temp range
of
150-1300F. Has someone used these on the street? I really don't have
a
feel for how hot pads get in casual stop and go city driving. Or
how quickly
they heat up in a single stop (from 30 mph? from 80
mph?). I assume these
pads would still work below 150F, just have a
reduced coef-of-friction.
Experiences?
Can someone compare these from personal experience to
Porterfield
street pads, EBC, or Metal Matrix for street use? I currently
have
Axxis metal matrix pads and would like to get a
performance
carbon-blend pad with less dust (or maybe with silver dust to
match
my wheels?) that does not make noise - not for the track, for
the
street.
Thanks for any replies.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To:
<
3sracers@speedtoys.com>;
"'Team3S'" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"'Richard
Garriott'" <
rgarriott@ncaustin.com>
Cc:
<
anaimi@apple.com>; "'Andie W. Lin'"
<
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: FW: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther
Pad Group Purchase
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:17:59
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
Why does Carbotech
assign part numbers to their brake pads that are
similar to the Porterfield
part numbers? Is there some universal
brake pad ID code I haven't heard of?
:) Or are these pads the same
products?
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To:
<
3sracers@speedtoys.com>;
"'Team3S'" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"'Richard
Garriott'" <
rgarriott@ncaustin.com>
Cc:
<
anaimi@apple.com>; "'Andie W. Lin'"
<
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: FW: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther
Pad Group Purchase
<snip>
> Here are the list prices that I
was quoted by Andie at Carbotech.
>
> CT-383 $126.00 [Willis,
Charles E.] rear 91-98 GT and SL
>
CT-530 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] front 91-98 GT and SL
> CT-531 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 91-98 VR4 front
> CT-532 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 91-93 VR4 rear
> CT-631 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 94-98 VR4 rear
<snip>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:46:02
-0400
From: "Andie W. Lin" <
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE:
FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
We use the government
assigned FMSI numbers, as does Porterfield. The only
company that has
their own numbering system is Hawk Performance.
andie w lin
vp
marketing and product r&d
carbotech engineering
http://www.carbotecheng.comtel:
877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669
::-----Original Message-----
::From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
::Of Jeff Lucius
::Sent: Friday,
October 19, 2001 4:18 PM
::To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st::Subject:
Re: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
::
::Why does
Carbotech assign part numbers to their brake pads that are
::similar to the
Porterfield part numbers? Is there some universal
::brake pad ID code I
haven't heard of? :) Or are these pads the same
::products?
::
::Jeff
Lucius,
www.stealth316.com::
::-----
Original Message -----
::From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
::To:
<
3sracers@speedtoys.com>;
"'Team3S'" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
::"'Richard
Garriott'" <
rgarriott@ncaustin.com>
::Cc:
<
anaimi@apple.com>; "'Andie W. Lin'"
<
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
::Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 1:23 PM
::Subject: FW: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther
Pad Group Purchase
::
::<snip>
::> Here are the list prices
that I was quoted by Andie at Carbotech.
::>
::> CT-383 $126.00
[Willis, Charles E.] rear 91-98 GT and SL
::>
CT-530 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] front 91-98 GT and SL
::> CT-531 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 91-98 VR4 front
::> CT-532 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 91-93 VR4 rear
::> CT-631 $126.00 [Willis, Charles
E.] 94-98 VR4 rear
::<snip>
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:16:13
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
Thanks
Andie,
What is FMSI?
Carbotech pads: CT-530, CT-531 and
CT-532
EBC pads: D530 and D531.
The Brake Man pads: 6-2530 and
8-2531.
Brembo at MVP: BrRTP-530, BrRTP-531, and BrRTR-631
Hawks: HB120F
and HB201F.
AP Racing's front pads for our cars is
CPF460.
Interesting. "531" etc. certainly is a recurring theme, except
for
Hawk and AP.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Andie W. Lin" <
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
To: "Jeff
Lucius" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther
Pad Group Purchase
We use the government assigned FMSI numbers, as does
Porterfield.
The only company that has their own numbering system is
Hawk
Performance.
andie w lin
vp marketing and product
r&d
carbotech engineering
http://www.carbotecheng.comtel:
877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:42:02
-0400
From: "Andie W. Lin" <
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE:
FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
FMSI = FRICTION
MATERIALS STANDARDS INSTITUTE
Most companies will just use the government
assigned number - every car that
is certified to be sold state-side has a
number assigned to their: rotors,
pads, calipers, clutches, etc. Some
companies have decided to use their own
numbering system, which has proved to
be rather confusing at times, but if
you have a cross-reference chart, it's
not a biggie.
Andie
andie w lin
vp marketing and product
r&d
carbotech engineering
http://www.carbotecheng.comtel:
877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669
::-----Original Message-----
::From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
::Of Jeff Lucius
::Sent: Friday,
October 19, 2001 5:16 PM
::To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st::Subject:
Re: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
::
::
::Thanks
Andie,
::
::What is FMSI?
::
::Carbotech pads: CT-530, CT-531 and
CT-532
::EBC pads: D530 and D531.
::The Brake Man pads: 6-2530 and
8-2531.
::Brembo at MVP: BrRTP-530, BrRTP-531, and BrRTR-631
::Hawks:
HB120F and HB201F.
::AP Racing's front pads for our cars is
CPF460.
::
::Interesting. "531" etc. certainly is a recurring theme,
except for
::Hawk and AP.
::
::Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com::
::-----
Original Message -----
::From: "Andie W. Lin" <
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
::To: "Jeff
Lucius" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
::<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
::Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 2:46 PM
::Subject: RE: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther
Pad Group Purchase
::
::We use the government assigned FMSI numbers, as
does Porterfield.
::The only company that has their own numbering system is
Hawk
::Performance.
::
::andie w lin
::vp marketing and product
r&d
::carbotech engineering
::http://www.carbotecheng.com
::tel:
877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:31:34
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: Ceramic brakes?
About a week ago I have thrown away the
article in the local mag where
everythign was described (German of course).
My feeling compared to our
stock brakes and the big reds was just ... bang.
They stop extremely well
and after doing that 3 times in a car with normal
belts my left shoulder
startet to hurt ! But the braking distance from
100km/h to 0 was 35.2m, what
was about 0.5 m more than the newest Porsche
without those ceramics. This
was then improved to 34.3m while the normales
went down to 38m after many
brakings. The Ceramics then always stayed around
35m ! This 2-3 meter can
save lives for sure.
BTW, the ceramic brakes
are a again a co-production with Brembo.... but the
claipers are ugly yellow
and do not look that sexy than the big red ones,
hehe.... but who cares of
look when performance is great ?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Richard" <
radanc@home.com>
To: <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Sent:
Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Ceramic
brakes?
> What about friction coefficient? Is there any significant
difference
> here. I know Brembro is working on a kit as well with Ceramic
rotors. I
> think I read somewhere that although the fade is nonexistent
with these
> rotors, that coefficient of friction and braking distance is
somewhat
> affected. Any thoughts or info reg this?
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:47:21
-0400
From: "Michael D. Crose" <
ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Starting quicker
How is it that race cars jump to life so
quickly?
I was talking to a friend and he said that they probably retard
the timing
and the car fires a few degrees past TDC. Would this work
on our cars? How
can this be done?
Thanks,
Michael D.
Crose
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:26:04
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Carbotech Panther brake pad
Personally, I dont think you can
compare any high performance pad to a
metal-matrix pad..thats just to unfair
for MM.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Jeff Lucius wrote:
> I see from
their web site (
http://www.carbotecheng.com/ ) that
this
> pad is designed primarily for the track with a temp range
of
> 150-1300F. Has someone used these on the street? I really don't
have
> a feel for how hot pads get in casual stop and go city driving.
Or
> how quickly they heat up in a single stop (from 30 mph? from
80
> mph?). I assume these pads would still work below 150F, just have
a
> reduced coef-of-friction. Experiences?
>
> Can someone
compare these from personal experience to Porterfield
> street pads, EBC,
or Metal Matrix for street use? I currently have
> Axxis metal matrix pads
and would like to get a performance
> carbon-blend pad with less dust (or
maybe with silver dust to match
> my wheels?) that does not make noise -
not for the track, for the
> street.
>
> Thanks for any
replies.
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>
To: <
3sracers@speedtoys.com>;
"'Team3S'" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
>
"'Richard Garriott'" <
rgarriott@ncaustin.com>
> Cc:
<
anaimi@apple.com>; "'Andie W. Lin'"
<
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:23 PM
> Subject: FW: FW: Team3S:
Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:26:49
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
Ive seen most PF pad
numbers relate to Bendix part numbers..so Id not be
suprised to see bendix as
the de-facto number base.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Jeff Lucius
wrote:
> Why does Carbotech assign part numbers to their brake pads
that are
> similar to the Porterfield part numbers? Is there some
universal
> brake pad ID code I haven't heard of? :) Or are these pads the
same
> products?
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>
To: <
3sracers@speedtoys.com>;
"'Team3S'" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
>
"'Richard Garriott'" <
rgarriott@ncaustin.com>
> Cc:
<
anaimi@apple.com>; "'Andie W. Lin'"
<
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:23 PM
> Subject: FW: FW: Team3S:
Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
>
> <snip>
> >
Here are the list prices that I was quoted by Andie at Carbotech.
> >
> > CT-383 $126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] rear 91-98 GT and
SL
> > CT-530 $126.00
[Willis, Charles E.] front 91-98 GT and SL
> > CT-531
$126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] 91-98 VR4 front
> > CT-532
$126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] 91-93 VR4 rear
> > CT-631
$126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] 94-98 VR4 rear
>
<snip>
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:27:35
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
RE: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group
Purchase
Ahh..cool!
Thanks Andie, I didnt know that. What is
FMSI?
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Andie W. Lin wrote:
> We use the
government assigned FMSI numbers, as does Porterfield. The only
>
company that has their own numbering system is Hawk Performance.
>
> andie w lin
> vp marketing and product r&d
> carbotech
engineering
>
http://www.carbotecheng.com> tel:
877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669
>
> ::-----Original
Message-----
> ::From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> ::Of Jeff Lucius
>
::Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 4:18 PM
> ::To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
::Subject: Re: FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
>
::
> ::
> ::Why does Carbotech assign part numbers to their brake
pads that are
> ::similar to the Porterfield part numbers? Is there some
universal
> ::brake pad ID code I haven't heard of? :) Or are these pads
the same
> ::products?
> ::
> ::Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com> ::
>
::----- Original Message -----
> ::From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>
::To: <
3sracers@speedtoys.com>; "'Team3S'"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
>
::"'Richard Garriott'" <
rgarriott@ncaustin.com>
>
::Cc: <
anaimi@apple.com>; "'Andie W.
Lin'" <
andiewlin@yahoo.com>
> ::Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 1:23 PM
> ::Subject: FW: FW: Team3S: Carbotech
Panther Pad Group Purchase
> ::
> ::<snip>
> ::> Here
are the list prices that I was quoted by Andie at Carbotech.
>
::>
> ::> CT-383 $126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] rear 91-98
GT and SL
> ::> CT-530
$126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] front 91-98 GT and SL
> ::>
CT-531 $126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] 91-98 VR4 front
> ::>
CT-532 $126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] 91-93 VR4 rear
> ::>
CT-631 $126.00 [Willis, Charles E.] 94-98 VR4 rear
>
::<snip>
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:21:53
-0700
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <
awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: FW:
Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
FRICTION MATERIALS STANDARDS
INSTITUTE
Hi Andie: I plugged this into Google and came up with a
number of
references but nothing that looks like a working website. Is there
a place
to go where this institute publishes information that we can
reference? It
is a new one for me.
Andy
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:29:45
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Starting quicker
They also don't have an ABS computer to run
diagnostics on, door chime,
dome light, radiator fans, A/C cooling fans, fuel
pumps, power steering
pumps, brake pumps, etc. to run. Most race cars I
have seen have flip
switches for each individual item (rally style) so if
something blows a
fuse it can be reset easily. There are switches for
fuel pump, engine
start, radiator fans, windshield wipers, etc. All
their starter has to
do is turn the engine. Maybe they don't have an
alternator or battery
since some of them just have that MSD ignition unit
that kicks them to
life.
It's like running a big workstation when you
turn off all CD-ROM drives,
printers, monitors, storage drives, etc. It
just zooms to life since it
doesn't need to check all the ports for those
things.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 (and not at all as smart as might sound
sometimes)
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Michael D. Crose
Sent:
Friday, October 19, 2001 18:47
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Starting quicker
How is it that race cars jump to life so
quickly?
I was talking to a friend and he said that they probably retard
the
timing
and the car fires a few degrees past TDC. Would this
work on our cars?
How
can this be done?
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:08:40
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
FW: Team3S: Carbotech Panther Pad Group Purchase
Just an aside, when I
worked for FreeMarkets, Inc. I was working on a
project (aka "auction") for
Bendix brake parts (rotors, calipers, drum
brakes, etc.). Bendix is
owned by Allied Signal but they were then
absorbed in part by Honeywell and
then the big guy of Honeywell stepped
down in Germany and lots of hands got
thrown up in the air. Who knows
what was going on.
Anyway, we
were assigned the task of getting a list of Bendix parts and
asking the brake
manufacturers if they could make them. There was a
list (for our cars
for example) of J531 and J352 (J for Japanese car)
and 531/532 were those
similar part numbers for front and rear second
gen stuff I might
recall.
Well, ABC mfg might have their own numbers for J531. DEF
Corp. has a
different number. Brembo had their own internal
numbers. Some of the
numbers we had were internal Brembo numbers but
everyone had their own
cross-ref chart and could find out what FMSI number it
related to. Such
as a 1994 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo is called I believe a
930 (Porsche's
internal numbering) and similar things.
So as it turned
out ... Bendix led the world in truck brake systems (air
brakes) and Brembo
was the largest supplier to Bendix. Well why call
the things facial
tissues or copy machines when we call them Kleenex and
Xerox machines?
So people started calling them by the Brembo and/or
Bendix part
numbers. I recall that Brembo was about 80-90% of Bendix'
supply.
We had 15 out of 16 suppliers in the bid ready to go forward.
Guess who
didn't want to play fair ... yep ... Brembo (they basically
had a monopoly on
the market and what they did ruled the prices for the
world). Without
Brembo we could not continue since without them the bid
would have fallen
apart. I remember prices for a rotor for a Mercedes
delivery truck in
the $5-$10 range. I bet they sell them at $100 like
normal.
Wow. Think what we could get our stuff for ... drool.
So remember
when there is a large supplier of something and nobody else
can crack that
business.
- --Flash!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff
Mohler
Ive seen most PF pad numbers relate to Bendix part
numbers..so Id not be
suprised to see bendix as the de-facto number
base.
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:35:24
-0400
From: MIHAI RAICU <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: Ceramic brakes?
Roger Gerl and Jim Berry,
So, then the $1700
carbon/carbon brakes Geoff Mohler listed
must be similar in construction to
the $8000 Porche Ceramic
Brakes I asked about, correct? What is
included in the $1700
brakes? Discs, pads, callipers?
If
Roger is right about the other components around the
wheels not being heat
resistant enough, then our track people
can't realy put those carbon/carbon
brakes on without
overheating the rest of the components in the
vicinity.
Also, how Porche makes their brakes stop on the street, we
can get a similar setup to stop us very good on the street in
dry
weather. Any idea how much performance loss a ceramic
brake setup will
have on the street in wet weather due to not
having a fancy ABS system to
dry the brakes.
I just want fade free brakes, and $1700 looks like a good
compromise for driving 3 out of 4 seasons.
- -MIHAI-
From:
"Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Geoff Mohler posted about a carbon/carbon setup for our cars,
price
was in the $1700 range. He said track only because they
tend to absorb
moisture
Jim
Berry
>From: <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
>
>I don't think that it is impossible to adapt them to our
cars but the whole part around the hub must be changed as
they are not
heat ressistant than tehy should be. The ceramic
brake from the new Porsches
is about $8000 and when ordered
with a new Porsche, the whole setup is about
$15000 more than
with normal brakes (titanium parts of the
suspension).
>Roger
>93'3000GT
TT
>www.rtec.ch
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:03:05
-0700
From: "Ann Koch" <
akoch@sonic.net>
Subject: Team3S: 95
& 96 Stealth TT comparison
Does anyone know when (or if) Dodge
started eleminating some of the
special features of the TT as it was phasing
out the car? I've heard
that the 95 TT might not have such features as
AWS and suspension
control. How can one tell? Are there certain
production numbers on
vehicles or is there a date after which these features
were eleminated?
Thanks.
Ann Koch
Blue 93 stealth TT; all stock
except Big Red brakes
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