Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Thursday, October 18 2001
Volume 01 : Number
649
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Date:
Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:54:13 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: So how stiff is the stock suspension on our cars?
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 06:12:37
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From: "Jim Matthews" <
jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: VR4 trivia noise of the day
I have had the same noise ever since
my timing belt and tensioner were changed at 50k miles. In my
case, it
doesn't matter if the car is cold or warm, it always happens when I first start
it. I can
make it squeak a few times by blipping the gas slightly, but
then it goes away. If I don't blip the
gas, it goes away anyway.
Puzzling, but apparently not harmful - I now have 86k miles!
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Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1
(1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off
Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth
fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads,
braided lines, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171
mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno
Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:23:46
-0700
From: "Richard Kerrill" <
rkerrill@earthlink.net>
Subject:
tensioner pully Re: Team3S: VR4 trivia noise of the day
I was once led to
believe when my top end had to be re-done due to bent
valves that is was
possibly a tensioner pulley that failed and caused it.
There was only 10k
miles on a new timing belt which the dealer said was
non-factory and
therefore very suseptible. I wasnt able to verify the
direct
cause.
In short, Im just saying might want to have em check em out if
theyre old.
Its cheaper than a top end job for 2k!
- -RichK
'92
3000GT SL white
Las Vegas, NV
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
"Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR4 trivia noise of
the day
> > I think I could follow up the WD40 with a healthy
spray
> > of belt dressing ...
>
> I'm pretty sure you
aren't supposed to get anything on the timing belt at
> all. Its so
important a piece that I'd try to keep it as clean as
possible
> and
not put any goop on it. There are also optical sensors (cam angle,
>
crank angle) in the timing belt area and you don't want goop flying
off
the
> belt and onto the sensors. At least on my year car the
sensors aren't
> sealed against dirt getting onto the optical
senders/receivers since it
> should be pretty much spotless under the
timing covers.
>
> Probably wouldn't make a difference, but I'm not
going to risk it on my
car.
> ;-)
>
> The tensioner pulley
uses a sealed bearing - so just hitting it with WD40
> probably isn't
going to solve the problem. The bearing should be
repacked -
>
and its easier (and more of a long-term fix) to just replace the
tensioner
> pulley (if that's actually the source of the
noise).
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:17:22
EDT
From:
NETM1NDER@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
Special for team members. Strut Tower Brace
There will be a discount for
team members, The strut tower brace will be
$300.00 complete .(that is a
$50.00 discount) E-mail me at -
NETM1NDER@aol.com
(Chris Thorne)
Chris 95VR4
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:15:51
-0700
From: Rick Pierce <
piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject:
Team3S: East Bay, CA Alignment Shop Needed
Hi Everyone,
I hope
this isn't off topic, but I have a new set of tires waiting to go on my
92
3000GT VR-4 once I change out the front suspension and steering rubber
boots.
I will want to get it aligned afterwards. I know I can take the
car down South
to Custom Alignment in Mountain View (about 55 miles each way
and lousy
traffic), but I was wondering if there wasn't something closer to
Richmond
(North of Berkeley). As this will be a "change 4 tires,
balance and align both
front and back" job, the job will take a lot of time,
so wherever I go I'll just
be sitting around.
If any of you know of a
similar excellent shop - you can reply directly to my
personal e-mail
piercera@pacbell.net, unless you think
other Bay Area members
will find it valuable.
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:20:27
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Stillen Downpipe Report
We finally put my Stillen
downpipe on, after admiring it for a week. Like
everyone says, it is a really
tight fit. As in VERY TIGHT. My guy (a custom
exhaust system artist)
delicately hammered and fiddled and worked it in
there without having to
elongate the rear mounting holes. If you are doing
this on your garage
floor, I highly recommend opening up the rear mounting
holes a bit. I
can't imagine putting this sucker on without a lift, but
I'm sure some of you
guys will try it, and it'll be a nightmare without
drilling out the holes.
You will be tempted to put the mounting nuts on and then drive the
system
up and snug with an impact wrench, but think twice: those are
fine-thread
bolts, easy to strip. Better you should elongate the hole,
IMHO.
It took one hour start to finish, including taking down the stock
system
intact (it fits into the Stillen box) in case I have to put it back on
some
day. I have a 94, so we had no O2 sensors to replace. They appear to
be
mounted on the exhaust manifold. Labor cost: $42. (No, I can't tell you
who
did it. I promised the guy.)
Only one problem: No rear gasket to
the catback pipe. The old one was
unusable, so I am gasketless.
I
have a custom catback with a straight-through Xcelerator muffler,
which
was relatively quiet (quieter than stock!) before, but now it's
LOUD!.
I'll have to compare to my daughter's Borla, but this sound is
throatier,
where her Borla is mellow. It crackles and pops a little -- I bet
at night
it even throws flames. I just love it.
So here I go down the
street: Braaaaaapppp (crackle, pop, shift),
Braaaaaaaaap (crackle, pop,
shift), ohshit there's a cop ahead of me at the
stop light! He's in the
right lane, I'm in the left lane with no front
license plate, no seatbelt on,
and the exhaust from hell. We rumble away
together and I turn off, as if I
had planned it. Hmm... gonna have to watch
my step from now on.
I
haven't figured out the performance gains yet. I'm still enjoying the
sound.
Rich/old poop
94 VR4
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:33:26
-0500
From: "Laura D" <
laura_n79@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Stealth for sale
For Sale: 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin
Turbo
57,000 miles, Hunter green (brand new paint job), AWD, leather
interior,
5-speed, cruise, variable exhaust, variable suspension, 6-disc cd
player,
power seat, power windows, new tires, new rims, rear spoiler, moon
roof,
great condition. $13,500 or best offer. Feel free to reply privately
with
any questions
laura_n79@hotmail.com. This is a great
car!
You can check out the pictures at:
http://www.geocities.com/stealthtt93/Laura_s_StealthThanks,
Laura
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:00:13
-0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
Team3S: CT Alignment Shop Recommendation
While we are on this thread
topic, I have to recommend Flander's in Hartford
CT. I had them mount and
balance 4 tires on my 93 VR4 and do an alignment.
It took almost 2.5 hours
but they had asked me a bunch of questions and the
car feels great. Now
the true test can they do a great alignment with my
TEINS (if they ever
escape UPS hell)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff
Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18,
2001 5:09 PM
> To: Rick Pierce
> Cc: Team3S
> Subject: Re:
Team3S: East Bay, CA Alignment Shop Needed
>
> NOBODY beats
www.customalignment.com in Mountain
View.
>
> The VR4 is complicated, and Ive seen very few shops get
it right...plus
> these guys undertand what alignments do..and will ask
specific questions
> about what you wanna do with the car.
>
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Rick Pierce wrote
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:08:43
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: East Bay, CA Alignment Shop Needed
NOBODY beats
www.customalignment.com in Mountain
View.
The VR4 is complicated, and Ive seen very few shops get it
right...plus
these guys undertand what alignments do..and will ask specific
questions
about what you wanna do with the car.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001,
Rick Pierce wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I hope this isn't
off topic, but I have a new set of tires waiting to go on my
> 92 3000GT
VR-4 once I change out the front suspension and steering rubber boots.
> I
will want to get it aligned afterwards. I know I can take the car down
South
> to Custom Alignment in Mountain View (about 55 miles each way and
lousy
> traffic), but I was wondering if there wasn't something closer to
Richmond
> (North of Berkeley). As this will be a "change 4 tires,
balance and align both
> front and back" job, the job will take a lot of
time, so wherever I go I'll just
> be sitting around.
>
> If
any of you know of a similar excellent shop - you can reply directly to
my
> personal e-mail
piercera@pacbell.net, unless you think
other Bay Area members
> will find it valuable.
>
>
Thanks
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:59:11
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: East Bay, CA Alignment Shop Needed
Hey, Rick,
I wouldn't
use anyone else - they are a haul for me too, but I used a
recommended local
shop for a quickie, and I realized afterwards that I threw
my money away, now
that I know what GOOD is! Go to Custom. You won't
regret
it. And say me and Jeff Mohler recommended them to you.
BTW, bring
money! They are about 50% more than other shops, but you get
double the
quality, so it's a bargain IMO. I had the same work done and it
was
just under 3 hrs - while I waited. Make that arrangement with them
to
go at 7AM and you're out by 10.
F
- ----- Original Message
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From: "Rick Pierce" <
piercera@pacbell.net>
To: "Team3S"
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:15 PM
Subject: Team3S: East Bay, CA Alignment
Shop Needed
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I hope this isn't off
topic, but I have a new set of tires waiting to go
on my
> 92 3000GT
VR-4 once I change out the front suspension and steering
rubber
boots.
> I will want to get it aligned afterwards. I know
I can take the car down
South
> to Custom Alignment in Mountain View
(about 55 miles each way and lousy
> traffic), but I was wondering if
there wasn't something closer to Richmond
> (North of Berkeley). As
this will be a "change 4 tires, balance and align
both
> front and
back" job, the job will take a lot of time, so wherever I go
I'll
just
> be sitting around.
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:54:13
-0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Stillen Downpipe Report
> We finally put my Stillen
downpipe on, after admiring it for
> a week. Like everyone says, it is a
really tight fit. As in
> VERY TIGHT. <...> If you are
doing
> this on your garage floor, I highly recommend opening up the
> rear mounting holes a bit.
So as for elongating those holes....
how would one go about doing that? As
in, what tool would you
use? It's stainless steel, so I don't think a
Dremmel would do the
trick. I might be able to get it onto my drill press,
but that would be
a PITA. Ideas anyone?
- --Erik
'95 VR-4 with Stillen
downpipe installed in my garage without a lift. Yes,
it was a gigantic
PITA. I'm a little nervous about the stress on the
O2
housings/turbos/manifolds due to the tight fit. Probably will take
it back
off and elongate holes if I can figure out how...
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:27:22
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
RE: Stillen Downpipe Report
Sounds like it's about time somebody
sent them back and said they
don't fit, fix the damn thing. They have to be
aware of the problem
but if no one makes an issue of it they'll let it
slide.
Jim
Berry
==================================================
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Original Message -----
From: Gross, Erik <
erik.gross@intel.com>
To: <
3sracers@speedtoys.com>; Team3S List
(E-mail) <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: Team3S: RE: Stillen Downpipe
Report
> > We finally put my Stillen downpipe on, after admiring it
for
> > a week. Like everyone says, it is a really tight fit. As in
> > VERY TIGHT. <...> If you are doing
> > this
on your garage floor, I highly recommend opening up the
> > rear
mounting holes a bit.
>
> So as for elongating those holes.... how
would one go about doing that? As
> in, what tool would you
use? It's stainless steel, so I don't think a
> Dremmel would do the
trick. I might be able to get it onto my drill press,
> but that
would be a PITA. Ideas anyone?
>
> --Erik
>
>
'95 VR-4 with Stillen downpipe installed in my garage without a lift.
Yes,
> it was a gigantic PITA. I'm a little nervous about the stress
on the O2
> housings/turbos/manifolds due to the tight fit. Probably
will take it back
> off and elongate holes if I can figure out
how...
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:18:15
-0400
From: "Paul Butkiewicz" <
Team3S@DiabloEnterprises.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Stillen Downpipe Report
Hey Erik, try a good metal
drill bit the exact same size as the hole with a regular high-speed
hand-drill. Pull the top of the
drill forward and backward.
That'll elongate the hole on the top and bottom of the flanges. Then use a
slightly larger bit (1/8"?)
to make the hole a little larger. (The
first part was just so you don't slip the drill and take out your leg)
After that, use a
good strong washer with the nut or a larger nut.
One
more thing: When I put my downpipe in, I found it went in much easier if you put
the front on first and only put it on half-way.
Probably the same way you did
it, but I'm just making sure...
Paul Butkiewicz
Diablo
Enterprises
Phone/Fax 781-769-4180
Norwood, MA 02062-4012
http://www.DiabloCarAudio.com/http://www.DiabloEnterprises.com/-
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From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
To: <
3sracers@speedtoys.com>; "Team3S
List (E-mail)" <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:54 PM
Subject: Team3S: RE: Stillen Downpipe
Report
> > We finally put my Stillen downpipe on, after admiring it
for
> > a week. Like everyone says, it is a really tight fit. As
in
> > VERY TIGHT. <...> If you are doing
> > this
on your garage floor, I highly recommend opening up the
> > rear
mounting holes a bit.
>
> So as for elongating those holes.... how
would one go about doing that? As
> in, what tool would you
use? It's stainless steel, so I don't think a
> Dremmel would do the
trick. I might be able to get it onto my drill press,
> but that
would be a PITA. Ideas anyone?
>
> --Erik
>
> '95
VR-4 with Stillen downpipe installed in my garage without a lift.
Yes,
> it was a gigantic PITA. I'm a little nervous about the stress
on the O2
> housings/turbos/manifolds due to the tight fit. Probably
will take it back
> off and elongate holes if I can figure out
how...
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:08:50
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: Stillen Downpipe Report
I used a cheap cone shaped
abrasive stone bit that came in a set for about
$10 from Autozone in my
air-die-grinder. I wore it completely away, but not
before I had
accomplished the task. I actually did this after installing
and
removing the pipe twice for emissions testing and it was such a headache
to
remove and install (more to remove) in my driveway on ramps, that I ended
up
grinding the holes about an 1/8" (diameter) more each so it would not be
a
hassle next time. I had actually hung my weight from the pipe with
the
bolts off with my arms and legs wrapped around this thing shaking it as
much
as I could and it wouldn't come off. I had to get a crow bar in
there and
force it off little by little. Thats why advise anyone doing
this to do it
before you ever try to put it on.
Sam
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Message-----
From: Gross, Erik <
erik.gross@intel.com>
To:
'3sracers@speedtoys.com' <
3sracers@speedtoys.com>; Team3S List
(E-mail)
<
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:04 PM
Subject: Team3S: RE: Stillen Downpipe
Report
>> We finally put my Stillen downpipe on, after admiring it
for
>> a week. Like everyone says, it is a really tight fit. As
in
>> VERY TIGHT. <...> If you are doing
>> this
on your garage floor, I highly recommend opening up the
>> rear
mounting holes a bit.
>
>So as for elongating those holes.... how
would one go about doing that? As
>in, what tool would you
use? It's stainless steel, so I don't think a
>Dremmel would do the
trick. I might be able to get it onto my drill press,
>but that
would be a PITA. Ideas anyone?
>
>--Erik
>
>'95
VR-4 with Stillen downpipe installed in my garage without a lift.
Yes,
>it was a gigantic PITA. I'm a little nervous about the stress
on the O2
>housings/turbos/manifolds due to the tight fit. Probably
will take it back
>off and elongate holes if I can figure out
how...
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:42:30
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
I'm wandering if the coolant reservoir operates
at the same temp and
pressure as the rest of the system. I've noticed
that if I can replace the
OEM unit with a small polypropylene bottle, it
leaves enough room to run a
cold air intake pipe from the front air dam up to
the intake. I'm just not
sure how much pressure and volume I will
need. Any thoughts or suggestions
would be
appreciated.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:06:25
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Coolant Reservoir
> I'm wandering if the coolant reservoir
operates at the
> same temp and pressure as the rest of the
system.
It stays cooler than the rest of the system, and there is no
pressure held
in the tank - only before the pressure cap on the filler neck
on the block.
Should be able to use most anything that can withstand engine
compartment
temperature.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:41:03
-0700
From: "noble" <
nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Question about a part
Hi everyone,
There's a purge
canister in our TT/VR4 cars that is fed by a pipe from the
intake
plenium,
around the firewall, and crossing close to the MAF intake.
What
exactly does this thing do, and if not working, what are the
side
effects?
(Ie. poor idle/vacuum, etc.)
Thanks in
advance,
Noble
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