Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Monday, October 15 2001   Volume 01 : Number 646




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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:27:00 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Watkins Glen??

Hey, my brother was out by the Glen today, and said there were a whole
bunch of Stealth's there.. anyone we know??

Ken

- --
Ken Stanton
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
'91 Pearl White R/T TwinTurbo
Super Snoopy - Plates 007KEN
FIPK, HKS Exhaust, APEXi AVC-R, Improved Precats
Bozzspeed Lightweight Flywheel, RPS Stage II
6-speed transmission  (5-6 speed conversion)
Aiwa MP3 Stereo

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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:17:53 -0400
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Team3S: Stereo Volume Fluctuations

The stereo on my 93 Stealth ES has recently begun acting oddly.
Periodically, while driving merrily along, the volume will arbitrarily
increase or decrease on its own.  It goes from "listenable to annoyingly
loud" or "listenable to barely audible".  Sometimes it happens while sitting
at a stop light.

Any of you had this happen before, or have any ideas on what's going on or
where to begin troubleshooting?

It's a stock head unit, with cassette, 9-band EQ, and CD-changer controls.

Thanks.

Dennis
93 Stealth ES

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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:50:15 -0500
From: "Kyle" <Celica@speed-racer.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Strength / Seats

Hi all,
   I was wondering if the tranny for a '93 SL is as strong as a '93 VR4. Is
it the same tranny, only set up for a FWD rather than a 4WD. If not, what
is the maximum safe HP for an SL transmission?

   Also, if you recall, I switched out my cloth seats for leather last
week. It took only half an hour to hook them up. They work great, and add a
lot to my interior.
  
   When I went to Salt Lake City and met the guy I bought them from, he
told me his VR4 was stolen, and had the engine ripped out. The insurance
company didnt give him what he wanted for the car, so he took everything he
could off the car (body panels, interior panels, seats, etc.) before the
insurance company took it away... does this sound a little bit fishy, or is
it just me? Could these seats be hot? This guy is in college and drives a
BMW Convertible?!?

Kyle Call
'93 SL

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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:24:02 -0700
From: "Watkins, Jim" <jim.watkins@terayon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel Guage

I have determined the source of my fuel gauge problem.  It is probably
unique, but I will share it with the list just the same.  First of all,
Jeff's information was very helpful in getting the pump/gauge out of the
car.  The critical thing for me was buying the 14mm flare nut wrench.
Without it, there is an excellent chance of stripping the soft metal nut or
bending the tube.  Even with it, there is a lot of force required to break
the nut loose and you still have to worry about bending the tube.  I did,
but only a small amount.

For pics of the assemblies:
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius8/j8-2-fuelpumps.htm

For pump removal:
http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius/2-fuelpump.htm

After removal I verified the electrical connections which are listed below:

On a VR-4 or Stealth TT they are:
Black/red   = ground
Black       = ground on pump assembly frame
Black/blue  = power to pump (pump is grounded to assembly frame)
Yellow      = fuel gauge
Yellow/blue = low fuel warning light

My problem was the gauge didn't work.  The way it works is the float arm
position determines how much resistance is between the Yellow and Black/Red
connections.  The resistor network is inside the plastic housing.  The float
arm pivots and wipes across the resistor network.  In my unit, the plastic
housing was not completely snapped together which caused an intermittant
connection for the wiper.  I simply snapped the housing tight and measured
the resistance.  On my car, the resistance between Yellow and Black/Red
varies from about 10 ohms to 110 ohms.  Plugging in the electrical
connection and turning the key to ACC showed a normal gauge, so I
reassembled everything and it seems fine now.

Jim
95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:08:01 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: coilovers

I'm running the Ground Control setup --- I have the coilovers, camber plates and
GAB struts. I like the setup and with the Eibach springs I can get almost any
spring rate that I want. I've read threads where folk have trouble with the
stiffer coilovers and stock struts ---- you should check into possible problems
there. [ pictures available]

The Tien HA setup which includes the struts is considered by some to be
superior ---- I don't know I've never seen or used one. When I checked into
buying a set I was disappointed in the spring choices --- I think there were
only three or four, and the fact that the rebuildable shock has to be sent back to
Japan for rebuild --- yeah like that's going to happen. You can get front
camber plates and rear pillowball mounts [not rear camber plates] .
The price of the Tien setup is a little more than the GC setup with a quality
strut.

As to handling --- mine is much better, however, I have 900# springs on the
front and 650's on the rear with the struts set to a very firm ride. I also run
- -3º camber in the front for race or -1½º front and rear for day to day
operations. It is not a daily driver although I drive it on the street regularly.

Southern California is pretty easy on equipment so the stiff and lowered ride
is not a big problem.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: <M.Korsinczky@mailbox.uq.edu.au>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>

> Hey all
>
> Is anyone running coilovers?
>
> If so, which brand?  What sort of improvement in handling did you notice?
>
> Does the front of the car feel any lighter?
>
> Michael

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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:49:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: coilovers

Jim's coilover setup is 'Mohler Approved' as well.

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Ok..done beat me up for a C5 post..but..

Heres a site I fell into that covers *albeit remotely* some of the
drivetrain loss debates.

It doesnt say how/why, but was an interesting study in what fluids do
what.

Some other neat data points on various manuf. fluids were discovered as
well.

Ya..were not C5s, but oil is oil..and so far its about the best
apples-apples comparison I saw.

The drivetrain loss chart was cool..I thought.

- ---
Geoff Mohler


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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:44:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: A URL might help eh?

http://www.c5-corvette.com/redline.htm

- ---
Geoff Mohler


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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:44:50 -0700
From: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Subject: Team3S: Water level switch

Anyone who is parting out and has a water level switch from the bottom of
either windshield washer bottle, please contact me privately. That's the
plug cum switch. Thanks

Darc

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:03:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: A URL might help eh?

Done

Forwarded post for the listss.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Steve Lasher wrote:

> Geoff,
> What's the difference in your post with the URL below, and mine:
>
> http://www.taxila.com/DSers/snaps/videos/ra062301/The_DSers_RA_chase_video.mov
>
> If mine just won't format right, can you forward the address to the
> list?  I think it's prety good (and fast) footage at RA - albeit large
> at 35 Meg.  Or do you think no one would be interested in it?
>
> -Steve
>
> Geoff Mohler wrote:
> >
> > http://www.c5-corvette.com/redline.htm
> > ---
> > Geoff Mohler
> >
- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:58:35 -0400
From: Patrick Smyth <smythpal@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: srs light question

I've been lurking for quite some time. What a great source of info!!!

My srs light has been on for 3 years, just as battery died. With knowledge
from this post, I sent it in to the dealer to be reset. The light
immediately came back on with the same error code - low voltage. I had the
complete electrical system checked - no discharging, battery fine, etc.
Does this mean my ECU could be bad?? Or is there another problem/solution?

Thanks for the help.

Pat Smyth, 92 Stealth RT/TT

Patrick Smyth CCDA, BCom, MBA
President
Octane Systems Inc.
816 Tavistock Rd.,
Ottawa K2B 5N4
613-794-6090 Fax 613-829-9512
smythpal@sympatico.ca

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:20:38 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: srs and octane

Pat:

Where you been, bro?  We've had zillions of questions here about octane
boosters, race gas, what octane does and so on, and there you are -- a true
expert on the subject -- just a-lurkin' out there. Don't be so shy. Jump in
next time an octane question comes around on the guitar (as Arlo Guthrie
might say).

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your SRS question.

Rich

At 11:58 AM 10/15/01 -0400, Patrick Smyth wrote:
>I've been lurking for quite some time. What a great source of info!!!
>My srs light has been on for 3 years <snip>
>Pat Smyth, 92 Stealth RT/TT
President
Octane Systems Inc.
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:24:09 -0700
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stereo Volume Fluctuations

Hi Dennis and Anita:  It sounds like a component in the volume control
circuits of your radio unit is starting to go bad or is coming loose. These
are pretty good units, sound great, and fit perfectly in the car. It will
probably not be possible to fix on your own without very special test
equipment. I would suggest taking the car to a stereo specialist. I say this
as a former electronics engineer in a prior life. These things are complex
in ways that cannot be repaired by just looking at them.

Andy

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:27:40 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1st vs 2nd Gen climate control - differences?

All -

Are there any differences between the 1st and 2nd gen climate control
panels?  Could I put the climate control panel from a 1st gen into my '94
VR-4?  Mine's on the fritz, and there a used one on ebay, but before I bid
on it I'd like to make sure it'll work. 

I haven't taken mine out to check, but are the button backlights on the
climate panel replacable?  The right side backlight is burned out on mine
and I'd rather replace the light than the whole panel.

Thanks!
- - Brian

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:42:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1st vs 2nd Gen climate control - differences?

What are people asking for the 2nd gen display?

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Geddes, Brian J wrote:

> All -
>
> Are there any differences between the 1st and 2nd gen climate control
> panels?  Could I put the climate control panel from a 1st gen into my '94
> VR-4?  Mine's on the fritz, and there a used one on ebay, but before I bid
> on it I'd like to make sure it'll work. 
>
> I haven't taken mine out to check, but are the button backlights on the
> climate panel replacable?  The right side backlight is burned out on mine
> and I'd rather replace the light than the whole panel.
>
> Thanks!
> - Brian

Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:35:25 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: srs light question

Hey, Pat,

There's a TSB for all 91-94 Stealths on the topic.  Hopefully, your dealer
used it when diagnosing the problem...(?)  :-)  Look on our Team3S FAQ pages
(Basics Section) for the Recalls & TSBs page to get the whole procedure
www.Team3S.com/FAQ.htm .  In short, step 1:  With a fully charged battery
(and after verifying that good contact is made on the battery hookups), turn
the key on and off 10 times in succession.  It works sometimes, but not
always, and I've never seen an explanation why.

Another note in the TSB said, "1991 and early built 1992 Models: Look for
signs of electrical corrosion between the terminal and the bracket on the
impact sensors. Moisture entering through the terminal cavity could be the
cause. Vehicles built after June 1992 are sealed with resin to eliminate the
possibility of moisture entry."  The rest of it is on the Recalls/TSB
page...

Since one of our new 'rules' appears to be sharing chat with people in 33
countries about what we were doing 30 years ago, I'll chime in - I drove to
Woodstock in a beat up Nash (something or other) but got a ride home with
some fine officers from the NYS Police.  ;-)  It was an easy ride with the
NYS Thruway closed!

Later,

Forrest

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Smyth" <smythpal@sympatico.ca>
> I've been lurking for quite some time. What a great source of info!!!
> My srs light has been on for 3 years, just as battery died. With knowledge
from this post, I sent it in to the dealer to be reset. The light
immediately came back on with the same error code - low voltage. I had the
complete electrical system checked - no discharging, battery fine, etc.
Does this mean my ECU could be bad?? Or is there another problem/solution?
Thanks for the help.
> Pat Smyth, 92 Stealth RT/TT

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:34:35 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: 350 HP  (crank) on N/A

Yes, if the car is older than 3-4 years, selling it and buying the turbo is the way to go.
But it is fun to tinker with the NT while you have it.

The weight penalty is definitely a factor on the track, but sort of evens out with the AWD and better brakes.

The insurance is not much of an issue, from quite a few prior posts I've seen.
Virtually no difference in insurance or extended warranty coverage. 

Regards,
Kurt  96 NT

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:34 PM
To: Alex Pedenko; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A

on the plus side --- the NA is several hundred pounds lighter and the
insurance has to be considerably less.

        Jim Berry
===========================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Pedenko <apedenko@home.com>

> JMHO,
>
>     Isn't it cheaper (and better in the long run) to take the money from
> those mods, plus sell the NA car, and buy a vr4? I mean 125 + the stock 216
> (?) puts you just above the 320 mark of a stock vr4/rt tt? Plus aren't there
> more mods available for the tt cars? Plus set aside $500, get a Blitz DSBC
> and put yerself up past the 350 mark...
>
>     Don't mean to offend anybody,  just a thought.
>
> Alex
>
> '95 VR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: <stealth@starnet.net>
> Cc: "Starnet" <stealth@stls.verio.net>; "'Team3S'"
> <team3s@mail.speedtoys.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:46 PM
> Subject: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A
>
>
> > You for got timing..you -have- to tune timing to really achieve good
> > power.
> >
> > Apexi ITC.
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, cody wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone think this is possible without Nitrous.  It would be roughly
> > > a 125 HP jump on a N/A car.
> > >
> > > Here are my plans (should things with the money situation go smoothly):
> > >
> > > Forged Pistons
> > > Forged Rods
> > > Knife-Edged Crank
> > > (.050 overbore)
> > > (possible stroke conversion)
> > > (probable 12:1 CR)
> > > Rebuilt upper end (reworked heads, possible ti valve springs)
> > > Throttle Body
> > > Port-matched intake and exhaust
> > > 550 CC injectors
> > > Fuel Pump
> > > Extrude honed intake
> > > Fuel Management (still need some help on this one)
> > >
> > > Any other suggestions???
> > >
> > > Of course, when this is done, I plan on also installing the already
> > > planned 100 - 200 shot nitrous system, with pistons that can seriously
> > > handle it.
> > >
> > > -Cody

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:59:07 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: 350 HP  (crank) on N/A

Well, if you're just interested in Drag power, then Nitrous is the only sane way to go.

Still, I haven't seen any nitrous times lower than 14.x, usually only in mid 14s.
So it still makes more sense to swap for the TT, and lighten and mod from there.
 
The only reason I haven't done this yet is I really had my mind set on adding electirc power to the rear wheels, and I was thinking it would be easier to just replace the whole rear suspension and wheels with an already existing electric setup. Haven't found that setup, so I'm thinking I will get a TT, and then can just swap in an electric motor on the rear. I'll then just have to experiment with motor control to co-ordinate the front and rear drive.

Of course, I will do this after my last tinkering with the NA, to add a second throttle body setup and 360 injectors, along with my existing leafblower mod.

I will certainly keep the list informed on progress.

Kurt / Skyrider  

- -----Original Message-----
From: cody [mailto:overclck@starband.net]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:51 PM
To: 'Alex Pedenko'
Cc: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A

Oh yah - I know...  but.... 

My car is in so many pieces no one would ever buy it...  and...
everyone has a fast TT...  no one has a real fast NT...  not to mention,
the NT starts out 600 pounds lighter...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Pedenko
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:20 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A

JMHO,

    Isn't it cheaper (and better in the long run) to take the money from
those mods, plus sell the NA car, and buy a vr4? I mean 125 + the stock
216
(?) puts you just above the 320 mark of a stock vr4/rt tt? Plus aren't
there
more mods available for the tt cars? Plus set aside $500, get a Blitz
DSBC
and put yerself up past the 350 mark...

    Don't mean to offend anybody,  just a thought.

Alex

'95 VR4

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: <stealth@starnet.net>
Cc: "Starnet" <stealth@stls.verio.net>; "'Team3S'"
<team3s@mail.speedtoys.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:46 PM
Subject: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A


> You for got timing..you -have- to tune timing to really achieve good
> power.
>
> Apexi ITC.
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, cody wrote:
>
> > Does anyone think this is possible without Nitrous.  It would be
roughly
> > a 125 HP jump on a N/A car.
> >
> > Here are my plans (should things with the money situation go
smoothly):
---snip---
> ---
> Geoff Mohler

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:07:02 -0500
From: daedel@mac.com
Subject: Team3S: Insurance

My 92 3000GT just died on me and I'm looking to pick up a 94 SL or VR4.
Anyone around 19 have one with a good driving record so I can kinda see
how my premiums will jump.

- -David

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:15:10 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Insurance

Depends on the insurance company. Some insurance companies rate the SL's
and VR4's in the same category so the rates are the same. Others (like
progressive) rate them differently. But just because they rate them the
same does NOT mean it is less expensive to insure through them
necessarily!!! Your best bet is to always call around and do some
comparison shopping. Make sure you know you're driving history exactly
for the previous 3 years.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of daedel@mac.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:07 AM
To: team3s@team3s.com
Subject: Team3S: Insurance

My 92 3000GT just died on me and I'm looking to pick up a 94 SL or VR4.
Anyone around 19 have one with a good driving record so I can kinda see
how my premiums will jump.

- -David

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:22:13 -0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: 350 HP  (crank) on N/A

The best FWD nitrous times are around 13.8 right now.  The best FWD turbo
time is about 13.2.  One of the Florida guys just ran a 14.7@93 in a stock
94 R/T NA with street tires. Speaking from experience, I'd say trade up to
the AWD car.  Getting traction on a boosted FWD is an exercise in futility.
For the money you're going to spend beefing up the suspension and building a
forced induction or high output all-motor powerplant, you could have a great
AWD car.   If you want to say you can't afford the insurance on the AWD car,
then you can't afford the buildup and maintenance on the high power FWD car
either.

I'm selling out to AWD as soon as possible.  Driving my car is more work
than fun and it's depressing to have a motor that's capable of so much power
and not being able to DO anything with it. If the car was RWD I'd keep
working on it, but FWD is just too limiting IMHO.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Zobel, Kurt
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:59 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A

Well, if you're just interested in Drag power, then Nitrous is the only sane
way to go.

Still, I haven't seen any nitrous times lower than 14.x, usually only in mid
14s.
So it still makes more sense to swap for the TT, and lighten and mod from
there.

The only reason I haven't done this yet is I really had my mind set on
adding electirc power to the rear wheels, and I was thinking it would be
easier to just replace the whole rear suspension and wheels with an already
existing electric setup. Haven't found that setup, so I'm thinking I will
get a TT, and then can just swap in an electric motor on the rear. I'll then
just have to experiment with motor control to co-ordinate the front and rear
drive.

Of course, I will do this after my last tinkering with the NA, to add a
second throttle body setup and 360 injectors, along with my existing
leafblower mod.

I will certainly keep the list informed on progress.

Kurt / Skyrider

- -----Original Message-----
From: cody [mailto:overclck@starband.net]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:51 PM
To: 'Alex Pedenko'
Cc: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A

Oh yah - I know...  but....

My car is in so many pieces no one would ever buy it...  and...
everyone has a fast TT...  no one has a real fast NT...  not to mention,
the NT starts out 600 pounds lighter...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Pedenko
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:20 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: 350 HP (crank) on N/A

JMHO,

    Isn't it cheaper (and better in the long run) to take the money from
those mods, plus sell the NA car, and buy a vr4? I mean 125 + the stock
216
(?) puts you just above the 320 mark of a stock vr4/rt tt? Plus aren't
there
more mods available for the tt cars? Plus set aside $500, get a Blitz
DSBC
and put yerself up past the 350 mark...

    Don't mean to offend anybody,  just a thought.

Alex

'95 VR4

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:24:37 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: 350 HP  (crank) on N/A

> I'm selling out to AWD as soon as possible.  Driving my car
> is more work than fun and it's depressing to have a motor
> that's capable of so much power and not being able to DO
> anything with it. If the car was RWD I'd keep working on it,
> but FWD is just too limiting IMHO.

Have you tried any sort of limited-slip front diff?  The DSM guys are using
the Phantom Grip which is sort of a pseudo-limited-slip setup.  Without
limited slip I could see it being just plain nasty to get traction.  The DSM
guys have a FWD deep in the 10's so its possible with the right setup to go
quick.  Even the Honda guys do it, but I have no idea how streetable their
setups are.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:08:31 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ATTN Racers:  Hawk Blue Pads for sale

Cyrus,

This was a terrific find for Hawk pad users, however, I was wondering if
these were Hawk Blue MT4 or Hawk Blue 9012 compound.  The boxes should be
marked.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NassiriC@aol.com [SMTP:NassiriC@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:42 AM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: ATTN Racers:  Hawk Blue Pads for sale
>
> Racers, this is your lucky day!
> Some of you may remember that I lucked onto a case of Hawk Blue Racing
> pads. 
> I have 6 brand new (still wrapped) front sets that I am selling.  Retail
> they
> go for $90 to $120 for the set. 

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:15:41 -0400
From: "Andie W. Lin" <andiewlin@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ATTN Racers:  Hawk Blue Pads for sale

AFAIK, Chuck, the MT4 has been discontinued, so I imagine it is probably the
9012.

Andie

andie w lin
vp marketing and product r&d
carbotech engineering
http://www.carbotecheng.com
tel: 877.899.5024 | fax: 954.493.9669

::-----Original Message-----
::From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
::Of Willis, Charles E.
::Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:09 PM
::To: 'NassiriC@aol.com'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
::Subject: RE: Team3S: ATTN Racers: Hawk Blue Pads for sale
::
::
::Cyrus,
::
::This was a terrific find for Hawk pad users, however, I was wondering if
::these were Hawk Blue MT4 or Hawk Blue 9012 compound.  The boxes should be
::marked.
::
::Chuck
::
::> -----Original Message-----
::> From: NassiriC@aol.com [SMTP:NassiriC@aol.com]
::> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:42 AM
::> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
::> Subject: Team3S: ATTN Racers:  Hawk Blue Pads for sale
::>
::> Racers, this is your lucky day!
::> Some of you may remember that I lucked onto a case of Hawk Blue Racing
::> pads.
::> I have 6 brand new (still wrapped) front sets that I am selling.  Retail
::> they
::> go for $90 to $120 for the set.

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:24:39 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ATTN Racers:  Hawk Blue Pads for sale

don't really know how long the pads have been sitting in trunk of the VR4 he
got at auction ...

WTF is AFAIK?

> AFAIK, Chuck, the MT4 has been discontinued, so I imagine it is probably
> the
> 9012.
>
> Andie

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:25:24 -0500
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ATTN Racers:  Hawk Blue Pads for sale

(A)s (F)ar (A)s (I) (K)now

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:25 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: ATTN Racers: Hawk Blue Pads for sale

don't really know how long the pads have been sitting in trunk of the VR4 he
got at auction ...

WTF is AFAIK?

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:38:32 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: A.F.A.I.K. and other acronyms...

Lots of general Acronyms and separate page for 3S Acronyms are on our FAQ
pages in the Basics Section.  www.Team3S.com/FAQ.htm

F


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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:35:44 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: RE: A.F.A.I.K. and other acronyms...

Okay, but I didn't find BOHICA on the general acronym list ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Forrest [SMTP:bf@bobforrest.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:39 PM
> To: Morice, Francis; 'Willis, Charles E.'; Team3S (E-mail)
> Subject: A.F.A.I.K. and other acronyms...
>
> Lots of general Acronyms and separate page for 3S Acronyms are on our FAQ
> pages in the Basics Section.  www.Team3S.com/FAQ.htm
>
> F

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:48:27 -0700
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Insurance

For whatever good it will do for you, I am 54 with a clean record. State
farm charges me 362 every 6 months for 100/300k, um 30/60; 0 deductible for
collision and comphrehensive.

Andy

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: A.F.A.I.K. and other acronyms...

http://www.linuxguruz.org/foldoc/foldoc.php?BOHICA

Very suprising how many BOHICA Teams there are searching with
google.com. :)

Some more for the 3S-specific page.
BPV - By-Pass Valve (the actual name Mitsu gives the device most
incorrectly call a BOV)
IPW - Injector Pulse Width (dataloggers report this, in milliseconds)
MHI - Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (manufacturer of our turbos)

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:31:51 -0600
From: "Thomas Jeys" <tj@jeys.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Insurance

I am 19 and I pay 216 a month with progressive.  I do get their discount for
a (so far) perfect driving record, good student, and defensive driving
course.

T.J.
1992 3000GT VR-4

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