Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Monday, October 8
2001 Volume 01 : Number
640
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Date:
Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:18:25 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Death of a Car
> I loved my car, and now it's gone, in a
split second,
> due to mud.
I'd probably be blaming myself and not
the mud. Not meaning to be a jerk
(though I'm sure it seems that way),
but the driver has to be at least as
responsible for the accident as the
mud. Is there more to this story that
you forgot to
mention?
Most single-vehicle accidents are avoidable.
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 00:25:24
+0000
From: "Magnus3315 ." <
black_synn666@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Death of a Car
<html><div
style='background-color:'><DIV>
<P>I really don't know, I know
the steering whell sat low, and like I really wasn't going fast.., jus the car
like skid and my wheels turned weird, I was turning left, and my car crashed to
the right, i think out of reflex, I lost control going left and crashed right,
and in panic probably hit the gas instead of the break.,., Probably would have
bee avoided by more experience with a stick, new tires and
patience. <BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From:
"Jannusch, Matt" <
MJANNUSCH@MARKETWATCH.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: Team3S: Death of a Car
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:18:25 -0500
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> >
I loved my car, and now it's gone, in a split second,
<DIV></DIV>> > due to mud.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I'd
probably be blaming myself and not the mud. Not meaning to be a jerk
<DIV></DIV>>(though I'm sure it seems that way), but the
driver has to be at least as
<DIV></DIV>>responsible for
the accident as the mud. Is there more to this story that
<DIV></DIV>>you forgot to mention?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Most
single-vehicle accidents are avoidable.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>-Matt
<DIV></DIV>>'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
<DIV></DIV>>
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:05:00
-0400
From: "Omar Malik" <
ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Car
stil won't start, please help.
I've seen the same problem (well it sounds
exactly the same, but the cause
might not be) before on a friends car... the
crank angle sensor was shot.
You can create this problem on a perfectly
running car by pulling the crank
angle sensor. That's a good way to crank the
the engine over without it
firing up (for compression tests, pushing oil
after a rebuild, etc.) That's
the first thing i would check. There should be
a procedure in the manual to
test that it's working right.. checking voltage
and resistance, etc across
the pins. I'm pretty sure it doesnt throw a check
engine light.. but it
should throw an error code in the ECU.
Omar
Malik
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of
Sportsmobile101@aol.comSent:
Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:54 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
Hi everyone i wrote
about a month ago, because my car was not starting. I
finally got time
to check what i was told to check and that is the spark
plugs, they are fine,
i have good spark, took the injectors out and they are
fine there is plenty
of gas squirting out, so obiously the fuel pump is also
right.
Compression its fine, i took the spark plug out and just inserted
the
end
of the spark cable in the hole so that it was airtight and the
thing
came
out like a bullet when i cranked the engine, so i got
everything to make the
engine work, spark, compression and gas. Now my
buddy is 80 percent sure
that it is a sensor problem? Would the MAS sensor
stop the car from
starting?
Please advice, thanks in
advance.
Christian
92 SL
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:05:41
-0400
From: "Omar Malik" <
ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Car
stil won't start, please help.
There is no distributor in these cars
(except the SOHC models, they have
them. Only an electronic ignition with a
crank angle sensor to tell it when
to spark. I would check the crank angle
sensor first.
Omar
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Andrew Woll
Sent: Sunday,
October 07, 2001 3:40 PM
To:
Sportsmobile101@aol.com;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
Are you sure your gas is
good? If so, the spark must explode at the right
time so timing could be
it.
ARE YOU SURE THE PLUG WIRES GO TO THE RIGHT TERMINALS ON THE
DISTRIBUTOR?
WERE THEY OFF FOR ANY REASON? If so, this will cause a no
start every time.
Is there a rotor in the distributor. If you changed
parts it is possible to
forget to put it back in? Just some
thoughts.
Andy
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Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 20:44:01
-0700
From: Andrew Woll <
awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
The crank angle sensor sounds
like a good place to look. What model do you
have? (I forgot to ask
before).
Andy
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Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 20:43:04
-0700
From: Andrew Woll <
awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Death of a Car
Regardless of who is to blame you now have a peice
of scrap metal (from the
sound of your email - mixed metaphor but you get the
point). This same thing
happened to me when I was demonstrating my Porshe
356a speedster. I was so
mad at myself I just gave the car away to my
roommate at the time. I still
don't regret it. Good
luck.
Andy
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:51:49
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
> The crank angle
sensor sounds like a good place to look.
> What model do you have? (I
forgot to ask before).
If its the CAS, I thought there wouldn't be any
spark since the ECU doesn't
have any idea of when to fire off a spark.
I think the original poster said
that his car had good spark
verified.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 08:49:52
-0400
From: Marc Jonathan Jacobs <
Marc.Jacobs@usa.alcatel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Dead Transfer Case
Well, the rear seal on the transfer case came
out on a 2 hour trip, all
the fluid drained out, and the bearings have welded
themselves to the
races. The races have welded themselves to the
shafts. All the gears
are fine (relatively). They have some
excessive wear. The local
machine shop is trying to get the bearings
off, and the surfaces
repaired. I doubt any of it will work after it is
all done. Next call
is to Kormex and some local junkyards. Anyone
have a transfer case for
sale for a '94 VR-4?
input shaft spline count =
25. Output shaft spline count = 26.
- --
Marc J. Jacobs '94 Blue
VR-4 (on jackstands)
xDSL Hardware Development
Alcatel,
USA (919) 850-6386
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:52:25
EDT
From:
NETM1NDER@aol.comSubject: Team3S: Re:
FW: Front strut tower brace
offer.
> UPPER FRONT STRUT TOWER BRACE
<
You have the
opportunity to get a front strut tower brace for your
3000GT, SL or
VR4-1st or 2nd generation. (1991 to 1999)
Benefits of a front strut
tower brace can be seen at the site below.
http://e30m3performance.com/myths/Strutbar_Theory/strut_bar_theory.htm
The address above must all be one line.
If it isn't, then
copy it to your browser as one line to make it work.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Colors available are in stock:
*
Chrome
<- These are Powder Coating Colors
* Blue
* Red
Colors that are not stock are available for an extra
$60.00.
If at least 5 people sign up for the same special
color then there will be
no extra charge.
Strut tower brace with battery hold down is
$350.00.
Strut tower brace without battery hold down
is $310.00.
The strut tower brace is
machined from 6061-T6 Aluminum and uses a solid
brace of . 625 inches
x 1.5 inches that connects to the two strut mounts.
A picture of the
prototype bar can be seen at:
http://pws.ihpc.net/erikgross/3000GT/FrontStrutTowerBar/FrontStrutTowerBar.h
tml
The address above must all be one
line.
If it isn't, then copy it to your browser as
one line to make it work.
The prototype you see in the pictures was strengthened at the bend
angles
with "gussets" to eliminate any possibility of flexing.
There will be pictures of the actual bar coming soon.
A battery hold down is required because the stock battery
& stock hold
down cannot be used due to
clearance.
A battery like the Optima or one with
dimensions of
H= 6.75" x W= 6.813" x L= 9.75" or smaller
can be used.
(H, W, & L can be +or-
.125")
Another option is to relocate your battery to the
back so no hold down is
required
Payment checks will go
to:
Chris
thorne
Apt.
212
1404 East Schulkill
Road
Pottstown, PA 19465
Shipments are
made by UPS ground and will be insured
NETM1NDER@aol.com is the E-mail address for
Chris Throne.
He can be contacted if you have technical
questions.
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:05:09
-0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: Team3S: CAPS
updates?
Has anyone got any recent updates to the US Market CAPS
database? The most
recent version I've seen is 2.66. I'd like to
get a newer one to keep
abrest of any parts discontinuations or
replacements.
Also, has anyone had any success in getting copies of the
Japanese and
European databases? It would be very useful to see what
was available to
the world markets for comparison purposes.
Jeff
VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:19:59
-0400
From: "Omar Malik" <
ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Car
stil won't start, please help.
I've seen the CAS go south on a friends
car, yet he would get spark and
fuel, seen it with me own two eyes :) it just
wouldnt crank over when you
try and start it.
i think the problem may
be the CAS is still "working" as far as the ECU is
concerned, but it's not
feeding it the right info... so it wont spark at the
right
time.
Omar
92 r/t
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Jannusch, Matt
Sent: Sunday,
October 07, 2001 11:52 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
> The crank angle
sensor sounds like a good place to look.
> What model do you have? (I
forgot to ask before).
If its the CAS, I thought there wouldn't be any
spark since the ECU doesn't
have any idea of when to fire off a spark.
I think the original poster said
that his car had good spark
verified.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:38:46
+0300
From: "Oleg Reznik" <
oleg@3000gt.lv>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS
updates?
Hi,
I have both - Japan and European CAPS. For US
version... I don't remember
but I think I have version 2001 year beginning...
I will look tomorrow.
Regards,
Oleg Reznik
3SI#0441
www.3000gt.lv> Has anyone got any
recent updates to the US Market CAPS database? The
most
> recent
version I've seen is 2.66. I'd like to get a newer one to keep
>
abrest of any parts discontinuations or replacements.
>
> Also, has
anyone had any success in getting copies of the Japanese and
> European
databases? It would be very useful to see what was available to
>
the world markets for comparison purposes.
>
> Jeff
VanOrsdal
> 1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:54:57
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: CAPS updates?
Dont be afraid to ask to put em up on Speedtoys
with the older versions as
well. *g*
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oleg Reznik
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have both - Japan and European CAPS.
For US version... I don't remember
> but I think I have version 2001 year
beginning... I will look tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
>
>
Oleg Reznik
> 3SI#0441
>
www.3000gt.lv>
>
>
>
> Has anyone got any recent updates to the US Market CAPS database?
The
> most
> > recent version I've seen is 2.66. I'd like
to get a newer one to keep
> > abrest of any parts discontinuations or
replacements.
> >
> > Also, has anyone had any success in
getting copies of the Japanese and
> > European databases? It
would be very useful to see what was available to
> > the world markets
for comparison purposes.
> >
> > Jeff VanOrsdal
> >
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
> >
jeffv@1nce.comGeoff
Mohler
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:58:55
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Track Day Reminder
..time is runinng out to register for the
Team3s Track-Day at Sears Point
Raceway!
Details at:
http://www.speedtoys.net/sp102728.htmGeoff
Mohler
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 12:44:05
EDT
From:
Sportsmobile101@aol.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
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Date:
Mon, 8 Oct 2001 01:19:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car stil won't start,
please help.
To:
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Yes Paul, the engine is turning
over. I can't smell anything, but there
is no leaking of any
kind. I tested the spark plugs simply by having someone
crank the car
while having the spark plugs touching metal and there was
plenty of spark
coming out. The same with the fuel, i took the injectors out
and had
someone crank the car and sure enough there were streams of gas
coming out
like they should.
Another thing that was brought
up was timing, i was told timing will
most likely make the car run like
crap, but it would at least start and
probably idle ok, but i don't really
know. Please advice.
The crank angle is
another scenerio that came up, am not sure where that
sensor is, i have a 92
SL, please let me know where and how i can check that.
Once again thanx
for your responses, hopefully i'll be able to determine the
problem and fix
it myself before i give up and end up paying the dealer to
find a small
problem and charge me tons of
money.
Truly,
Christian.
92 SL.
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 12:42:39
EDT
From:
Sportsmobile101@aol.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
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Date:
Mon, 8 Oct 2001 01:19:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car stil won't start,
please help.
To:
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Yes Paul, the engine is turning
over. I can't smell anything, but there
is no leaking of any
kind. I tested the spark plugs simply by having someone
crank the car
while having the spark plugs touching metal and there was
plenty of spark
coming out. The same with the fuel, i took the injectors out
and had
someone crank the car and sure enough there were streams of gas
coming out
like they should.
Another thing that was brought
up was timing, i was told timing will
most likely make the car run like
crap, but it would at least start and
probably idle ok, but i don't really
know. Please advice.
The crank angle is
another scenerio that came up, am not sure where that
sensor is, i have a 92
SL, please let me know where and how i can check that.
Once again thanx
for your responses, hopefully i'll be able to determine the
problem and fix
it myself before i give up and end up paying the dealer to
find a small
problem and charge me tons of
money.
Truly,
Christian.
92 SL.
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:58:12
-0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Re: C5: More Power
Jim,
Don't forget, the Z06 was on
street tires. The driver was quite experienced though.
I have a high
regard for your driving experience too, and I think that is why you could keep
up with him. However, on track tires, he would be 3-5 seconds faster.
Kurt
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry
[mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:40 AM
To:
bdtrent; Team 3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: C5: More Power
- -----
Original Message -----
From: bdtrent <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
> C5's
are great cars. Win the lottery or put your ego to rest, you will
need
> many mods including upgraded turbos before a first gen TT will run
with a
> C5. For bang for the buck, nothing comes close
My
last outing at Willow Springs I pulled over on the front straight to allow
a
Z06 with an experianced driver past so I could tail him ---- he picked
up
about 1 second on me in one 2½ mile lap. Comparing times later his
fastest
lap was about a second better than mine --- 1:39+ to my
1:40+.
I have suspension and brake mods with a filter and stock turbos
with the
boost controller set at 15 PSI --- most of the the Vipers are
running about
the same times as I am. The C5 while a nice car, is not as fast
as mine ---
I'm sure if Michael Schumacher drove the C5 he'd hand me my
head.
Jim
Berry
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:34:36
-0700
From: "noble" <
nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S:
Fw: high end knock
Hi Everyone,
Datalogging my car the other day,
I noticed high end knock with 720cc
injectors
on 15g turbos.
It clearly
appeared on 1 bar of boost above 6000 rpm steady to redline,
around 15 knock
sum.
However, lowering the "HIGH" setting on my ARC controller seemed to get
rid
of it.
Have any of you guys noticed high end knock by running too
rich? Any ideas
why running
leaner on the high end would produce
less knock? I always assumed
richer=cooler=less knock.
(I can currently
run 16.5psi to redline by dropping the "High" ARC setting
by -2 clicks from
0)
Thanks in advance,
Noble
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:46:05
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fw: high end knock
> Have any of you guys noticed high end
knock by running too
> rich? Any ideas why running leaner on the
high end would
> produce less knock? I always assumed richer=cooler=less
> knock. (I can currently run 16.5psi to redline by dropping
> the
"High" ARC setting by -2 clicks from 0)
Seems a little strange, but maybe
you were rich enough to where the fuel was
washing the oil film off the
bores. Not sure how that would make the ECU
think there was knock
though. I dunno...
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:00:53
-0500
From: "Oskar" <
osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
What is the fastest time anyone has run
a 3/S on stock turbos? Anyone in
the 11's? I am not concerned
about other mods, just the fact that there are
still 9Bs on the
car.
Oskar
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:24:51
-0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: For Sale: HKS Sequential Blow-off Valve
HKS Sequential
Blow-off Valve
Gets rid of the owl hoot or goose honk that occurs with
the stock bypass
valve after you install a K&N FIPK.
Adjustable valve spring.
Doesn't leak at higher boost
levels.
Nice loud whoosh sound.
Shiny, sparkly, and
pretty.
Includes flange/pipe for direct bolt-in to
3000GTs/Stealths.
*** First $175 takes it - Ready to ship now.
***
- --Erik
'95 VR-4
Pictures of the BOV that's for
sale:
http://www.speedtoys.com/~egross/3000GT/HKSBOV/Image07.jpghttp://www.speedtoys.com/~egross/3000GT/HKSBOV/Image08.jpghttp://www.speedtoys.com/~egross/3000GT/HKSBOV/Image09.jpgInstallation
Instructions:
http://www.speedtoys.com/~egross/3000GT/HKSBOV/HKSBOV.htmlIf
you don't already know about it...
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The Sequential BOV is a pull type
relief valve, unlike other BOV's which are
push type. The SBOV is actuated by
pressure alterations only, ensuring quick
valve response & complete
closure during idle. Standard BOV's must utilize
large valves in order to
accommodate high boost/power application. However,
these large valves react
slowly & require high activation pressure to open.
Smaller, fast reacting
valves, do not permit the air flow required for high
horsepower. The SSBOV
incorporates both for maximum performance. It is
engineered utilizing a small
primary valve for ultra quick activation along
with a secondary valve for
additional relief capacity. This unit is known
for its loud sound and great
looks.
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:40:53
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: C5: More Power
Kurt
That's true, but keep in mind that the
stock Z06 is running a max performance tire
[Goodyear F1 SC] with 295 X 18's
on the back --- not quite like a 245 series Sears
best. While R compound
would surely make a difference but I don't know about
5 sec.
My
experience when going from the A032's to the Hoosiers was, yeah they're
a
stickier tire, but I didn't see big lap time changes. Although I had both
tires on the
car at Willow I didn't get a time on the A032's. Another reason
for that is, I'm not
pushing hard enough in the high speed corners --- I can
slide it around a bit in
the slow twisties but survival instinct takes over
in turn 8 and 9. I need more
track time on the Hoosiers, although I'm not
sure what I'll end up with at Sears
Point. I might have ½ a set of Hoosiers,
a set of Goodyear GSCS [not the GS-C]
and a set of
Kumho's.
Jim
Berry
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- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Zobel, Kurt <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
>
Jim,
>
> Don't forget, the Z06 was on street tires. The driver
was quite experienced though.
> I have a high regard for your driving
experience too, and I think that is why you could keep up with him. However, on
track tires,
he would be 3-5 seconds faster.
>
>
Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry
[mailto:fastmax@home.com]
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: bdtrent <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
>
>
> C5's are great cars. Win the lottery or put your ego to rest, you
will need
> > many mods including upgraded turbos before a first gen TT
will run with a
> > C5. For bang for the buck, nothing comes
close
>
>
> My last outing at Willow Springs I pulled over on
the front straight to allow
> a Z06 with an experianced driver past so I
could tail him ---- he picked up
> about 1 second on me in one 2½ mile
lap. Comparing times later his fastest
> lap was about a second better
than mine --- 1:39+ to my 1:40+.
>
> I have suspension and brake
mods with a filter and stock turbos with the
> boost controller set
at 15 PSI --- most of the the Vipers are running about
> the same
times as I am. The C5 while a nice car, is not as fast as mine ---
> I'm
sure if Michael Schumacher drove the C5 he'd hand me my
head.
>
> Jim
Berry
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:23:52
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
You -should- be concerned
about other mods, because things like NOS make
turbo size almore
irrelevant...so your data would be unreliable.
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar
wrote:
> What is the fastest time anyone has run a 3/S on stock
turbos? Anyone in
> the 11's? I am not concerned about other
mods, just the fact that there are
> still 9Bs on the car.
>
> Oskar
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 17:03:39
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From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: C5: More Power
At 02:40 PM 10/8/01 -0700, Jim Berry
wrote:
>Kurt
>
>That's true, but keep in mind that the stock
Z06 is running a max
performance tire
>[Goodyear F1 SC] with 295 X 18's
on the back --- not quite like a 245
series Sears
>best. While R
compound would surely make a difference but I don't know about
>5
sec.
>
My ROWG buddy put sticky BFG tires on (forget which one) his
Z06, and the
car was actually SLOWER on race tires. It really pissed him off
that I
could dog him all the way around the Marshalltown track, even though
he
could pull me down the straights. So Jim is right -- the "street"
tires
that come with a Z06 are formidable. I think my ROWG buddy is on
Hoosiers
now.
Someday, I'll post a copy of the video we shot from my
front seat, pointing
at the back end of the ZOG as I harassed him at
Marshalltown. It may be the
only time I'll ever get that close to him
again.
Rich/old poop
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:30:27
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: C5: More Power
Ahh..bullocks. Maybe he just didnt
know how to drive a _complete_
differnt tire.
Street to race rubber
should be worth 2-5 seconds easy.
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Merritt
wrote:
> At 02:40 PM 10/8/01 -0700, Jim Berry wrote:
>
>Kurt
> >
> >That's true, but keep in mind that the stock
Z06 is running a max
> performance tire
> >[Goodyear F1 SC] with
295 X 18's on the back --- not quite like a 245
> series Sears
>
>best. While R compound would surely make a difference but I don't know
about
> >5 sec.
> >
> My ROWG buddy put sticky BFG tires
on (forget which one) his Z06, and the
> car was actually SLOWER on race
tires. It really pissed him off that I
> could dog him all the way around
the Marshalltown track, even though he
> could pull me down the straights.
So Jim is right -- the "street" tires
> that come with a Z06 are
formidable. I think my ROWG buddy is on Hoosiers
> now.
>
>
Someday, I'll post a copy of the video we shot from my front seat,
pointing
> at the back end of the ZOG as I harassed him at Marshalltown.
It may be the
> only time I'll ever get that close to him again.
>
> Rich/old poop
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:20:46
-0500
From: "Oskar" <
osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
What data?? I just want to know if
anyone has gone in the 11's with the
stock turbos.
> "Geoff
Mohler" stated:
> You -should- be concerned about other mods, because
things like NOS make
> turbo size almore irrelevant...so your data would
be unreliable.
>
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar wrote:
>
>
> What is the fastest time anyone has run a 3/S on stock turbos?
Anyone
in
> > the 11's? I am not concerned about other mods,
just the fact that there
are
> > still 9Bs on the car.
>
>
> > Oskar
>
> Geoff
Mohler
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:41:09
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
So..what do stock turbos
have to do with someone running an insane amount
of NOS?
Thats what im
getting at..the comparison about "stock turbos and E/Ts" is
moot when you
dont disallow certain modifications..like NOS.
Example: I made mid
12s in my Supra on its stock turbo, but that wasnt
possible without a 40mph
head-start before I put a 120Hp NOS shot on it.
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar
wrote:
> What data?? I just want to know if anyone has gone in
the 11's with the
> stock turbos.
>
> > "Geoff Mohler"
stated:
> > You -should- be concerned about other mods, because things
like NOS make
> > turbo size almore irrelevant...so your data would be
unreliable.
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar wrote:
>
>
> > > What is the fastest time anyone has run a 3/S on stock
turbos? Anyone
> in
> > > the 11's? I am not
concerned about other mods, just the fact that there
> are
> >
> still 9Bs on the car.
> > >
> > >
Oskar
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:20:00
-0400
From: Curtis McConnel <
CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
If your talking 9b turbos and a
100hp shot of NOS I'm sure it would be easy
to hit 11's. If your talking no
NOS I don't think that would be possible.
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Oskar [mailto:osk@mediaone.net]
Sent: Monday, October
08, 2001 4:21 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock
turbos
What data?? I just want to know if anyone has gone in
the 11's with the
stock turbos.
> "Geoff Mohler" stated:
>
You -should- be concerned about other mods, because things like NOS make
>
turbo size almore irrelevant...so your data would be unreliable.
>
>
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar wrote:
>
> > What is the fastest time
anyone has run a 3/S on stock turbos? Anyone
in
> > the
11's? I am not concerned about other mods, just the fact that
there
are
> > still 9Bs on the car.
> >
> >
Oskar
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:55:28
-0500
From: "Oskar" <
osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
oh man... funny how things
work.
I just asked a question
It is a valid question.
I'm
not sure how you know what I am going to use this information for... and
if
it will be valuable to me or not
Anyway - I'm not here to argue with
anyone. If I get an answer then great -
otherwise I'll have to
reactivate my Starnet account. I'm sure I'll get
more than one answer
over there...
Oskar
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff
Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To:
"Oskar" <
osk@mediaone.net>
Cc:
"Team3S" <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, October 08, 2001 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w.
stock turbos
> So..what do stock turbos have to do with someone
running an insane amount
> of NOS?
>
> Thats what im getting
at..the comparison about "stock turbos and E/Ts" is
> moot when you dont
disallow certain modifications..like NOS.
>
> Example: I made
mid 12s in my Supra on its stock turbo, but that wasnt
> possible without
a 40mph head-start before I put a 120Hp NOS shot on
it.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar
wrote:
>
> > What data?? I just want to know if anyone has
gone in the 11's with the
> > stock turbos.
> >
>
>
> > > "Geoff Mohler" stated:
> > > You -should- be
concerned about other mods, because things like NOS
make
> > >
turbo size almore irrelevant...so your data would be unreliable.
> >
>
> > > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar wrote:
> >
>
> > > > What is the fastest time anyone has run a 3/S on
stock turbos?
Anyone
> > in
> > > > the 11's? I
am not concerned about other mods, just the fact that
there
> >
are
> > > > still 9Bs on the car.
> > > >
>
> > > Oskar
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:14:25
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
I never said it wasnt a
valid question, just that when you allow the
addition of any modifications,
the question itself becomes invalid as
stock turbos are no longer part of the
question.
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Oskar wrote:
> oh man...
funny how things work.
>
> I just asked a question
>
>
It is a valid question.
>
> I'm not sure how you know what I am
going to use this information for... and
> if it will be valuable to me or
not
>
> Anyway - I'm not here to argue with anyone. If I get
an answer then great -
> otherwise I'll have to reactivate my Starnet
account. I'm sure I'll get
> more than one answer over
there...
>
> Oskar
Geoff Mohler
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:55:49
-0400
From: Curtis McConnel <
CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
We are not trying to be
critical. The way to answer your question is:
No one has run an 11 sec. 1/4
on stock turbos that I know of. Is it
possible? With NOS, yes it can be done
(you could run about as fast as you
want, not sure how long your car would
run though). Without I don't think
it's possible. So considering "any
modifications on a car equipped with
9b's" yes you could run
11's.
Curtis
1995 Vr-4 Spyder
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Oskar [mailto:osk@mediaone.net]
Sent: Monday, October
08, 2001 4:55 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock
turbos
oh man... funny how things
work.
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:00:02
-0700
From: Rick <
melvin@gamewood.net>
Subject:
Team3S: 70w80 Redline ????
Guys I'm gonna go with 70W80 Red Line
MTL in the trany/ transfer.I
think it will shift better and should give no
problems.I have run Red
Line MT 90 in all my cars,and it worked fine,but I
remember,putting auto
trans fluid in Harley Sportsters trany's,as they were
hard to shift,and
it worked great,and gave no problems.They are suppose to
use 90 wt.,and
now Harley is useing it,so guess I was right about that!Anyone
think
this will cause me trouble?
RICK
'92 R/T TT
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:05:29
-0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <
jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
I'm pretty sure the record for stock
turbos, no N2O is 12.2 seconds. I'll
see if I can get the details on
it. This was Rich Bauer's old 1g Stealth.
Jeff V.
1991 Stealth
ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com-
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From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Oskar
Sent: Monday, October
08, 2001 6:55 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock
turbos
oh man... funny how things
work.
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:59:15
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
FWIW ---- the following web site shows
some of the fastest 3S cars,
to my knowledge none of them has stock turbos.
I'd say a 13G is
required at a minimum. Matt Monet probably does the most
with the
least hardware --- but he launches at 8000 and probably power
shifts
and probably is a hell of a good driver. I could probably turn a
12.5
to his 11.5.
I have no idea if anybody runs NOS on a regular
basis but it should
be noted on their list of mods.
http://www.mn3s.org/fastest3s.html
Jim Berry
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:17:56
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
When we tried to put a
manual boost controller on my stock 94 VR4, we
couldn't make it work. It shot
up to 21 psi boost (as high as the gauge
would go) and took off like a rocket
ship until the Y-pipe blew off. I have
never been in any car that accelerated
like that -- including a 427
Corvette. My mechanic, who was an
experienced Porsche wrench, said it was
the fastest thing he had ever been
in, including modded TT AWD Porsches.
I suspect that if we tied the
Y-pipe on somehow and the engine stayed
together long enough with all that
boost, it mighta turned in the 11s. It
turns 13.5 now, so 11s are
certainly within reach. I don't know what yer up
to Oskar, but I bet you can
do it with stock turbos.
Rich
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:17:52
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Fastest 1/4 mile w. stock turbos
The problem with the stock turbos is
they start to run out of steam
up above 5500 rpm, just when you need the
power to turn a good
¼
time.
Jim
Berry
==============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
When we tried to put a manual boost controller on my stock 94 VR4, we
>
couldn't make it work. It shot up to 21 psi boost (as high as the gauge
>
would go) and took off like a rocket ship until the Y-pipe blew off. I
have
> never been in any car that accelerated like that -- including a
427
> Corvette. My mechanic, who was an experienced Porsche wrench,
said it was
> the fastest thing he had ever been in, including modded TT
AWD Porsches.
>
> I suspect that if we tied the Y-pipe on somehow
and the engine stayed
> together long enough with all that boost, it
mighta turned in the 11s. It
> turns 13.5 now, so 11s are certainly
within reach. I don't know what yer up
> to Oskar, but I bet you can do it
with stock turbos.
>
> Rich
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:41:20
-0400
From: "Omar Malik" <
ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Car
stil won't start, please help.
The crank angle sensor on the 91-93.5 cars
is located by the throttle body,
if you look at the throttle body from the
passenger side of the car, you
will see the TPS sensor attached to the right
side of the TB.., and then to
the right of that, behind the spark plug wires
running to the rear, the
crank angle sensor is the cylindrical looking object
attached to the rear
valve cover.
refer to these pages out of the 91
manual for more info and troubleshooting
tips:
http://www.groundzeroperformance.com/omar/cas001.gifhttp://www.groundzeroperformance.com/omar/cas002.gifhttp://www.groundzeroperformance.com/omar/cas003.gifIf
timing were even a little off, the car would at least still run, if it
were
WAY off, you would have bent valves and scarred pistons
Omar
Malik
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From:
Sportsmobile101@aol.com
[mailto:Sportsmobile101@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:19
AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.sSubject:
Re: Team3S: Car stil won't start, please help.
Yes Paul,
the engine is turning over. I can't smell anything, but there
is no
leaking of any kind. I tested the spark plugs simply by
having
someone
crank the car while having the spark plugs touching metal
and there was
plenty of spark coming out. The same with the fuel, i
took the injectors
out
and had someone crank the car and sure enough there
were streams of gas
coming out like they
should.
Another thing that was brought up was
timing, i was told timing will
most likely make the car run like crap, but it
would at least start and
probably idle ok, but i don't really know.
Please advice.
The crank angle is another
scenerio that came up, am not sure where
that
sensor is, i have a 92 SL,
please let me know where and how i can check
that.
Once again thanx
for your responses, hopefully i'll be able to determine the
problem and fix
it myself before i give up and end up paying the dealer to
find a small
problem and charge me tons of
money.
Truly,
Christian.
92 SL.
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:11:27
-0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Re: C5: More Power
Darn! Do I have to go buy a Z06 to settle
this?
Very tempting..
Kurt
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent:
Monday, October 08, 2001 3:30 PM
To: Merritt
Cc: Jim Berry; Zobel, Kurt;
Team 3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: C5: More
Power
Ahh..bullocks. Maybe he just didnt know how to drive a
_complete_
differnt tire.
Street to race rubber should be worth 2-5
seconds easy.
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Merritt wrote:
> At 02:40 PM
10/8/01 -0700, Jim Berry wrote:
> >Kurt
> >
> >That's
true, but keep in mind that the stock Z06 is running a max
> performance
tire
> >[Goodyear F1 SC] with 295 X 18's on the back --- not quite like
a 245
> series Sears
> >best. While R compound would surely make
a difference but I don't know about
> >5 sec.
> >
> My
ROWG buddy put sticky BFG tires on (forget which one) his Z06, and the
>
car was actually SLOWER on race tires. It really pissed him off that I
>
could dog him all the way around the Marshalltown track, even though he
>
could pull me down the straights. So Jim is right -- the "street" tires
>
that come with a Z06 are formidable. I think my ROWG buddy is on
Hoosiers
> now.
>
> Someday, I'll post a copy of the video
we shot from my front seat, pointing
> at the back end of the ZOG as I
harassed him at Marshalltown. It may be the
> only time I'll ever get that
close to him again.
>
> Rich/old poop
Geoff
Mohler
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