Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Saturday, September 1 2001  Volume 01 : Number 596




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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:45:00 -0700
From: "Andrew D. Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: All season tires TT/VR-4?

Hi Sam:  I have sport 5000 tires on all four wheels in stock size. I love
them. I was pushing them really hard the other day. I live in the Sierras
and have lots of mountain roads to play with. The other day these tires took
me through a curve at 65 that maxes out my bmw at 55. They did not even emit
a squeal. I don't do anything on the track, and generally I drive pretty
conservatively, but when you need to stick, these tires seem to stick quite
nicely.

Andy Woll
93 AWD Stealth TT


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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:25:39 -0400
From: "Brian Collins" <bcturbo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch survey/friction

Jeff,

You are getting a little closer but still not quite correct.  The web page
you found probably did more to confuse the situation than explain it.  The
reason they used surface area in their calculations is because they are
using a normal PRESSURE and not a normal force.  In this case, the normal
force, and thus the friction force, will depend on the area times the
pressure.

The torque that you mention is still not dependant on surface area if you
have a given normal force.  The torque is simply the resultant friction
force multiplied by the perpendicular distance to the axis of rotation.
Consider the case of a single brake pad and rotor.  If the normal force
between the two surfaces is 100 lbs and the coefficient of friction is 0.4,
the friction force will be 100 x 0.4 = 40 lbs.  If the center of the pad
area is 5 inches from the center of the rotor,  the torque will be 5 x 40 =
200 in*lbs.  This is why is it better to get the pad as far away from the
center of the rotor as possible- more torque.  Now if we were to add more
pistons and thus more piston surface area, the normal force would be larger
since the normal force is the total piston area times the hydraulic
pressure.  In this case, more surface area makes a difference for the
better.

I think the main reasons that brake pads and clutches don't have surface
areas the size of quarters is because of wear, heat dissipation, and
structural rigidity (you don't want a tiny brake pad being ripped off the
caliper when you hit the brake).  The web page I presented in my earlier
post explains one of many reasons why larger tire contact patches are
better.  Hope this helps to clear things up a little.

Brian Collins


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:11:14 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Updated www.rtec.ch wit Turbo Timer manual

Dear members, I just updated my site htttp://www.rtec.ch and included a
direct link to my Blitz DSBC manual as well as I uploaded the many times
asked scans of the English version of Blitz Turbo Timer manual (DTT)

Also the RTEC online shop is in test mode so if you are living outside the
US please do not order something as they will not be processed. It will go
live soon when my db problem is solved (argh !)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:19:24 EDT
From: Sportsmobile101@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Car won't start update. Please help.

Hi team,
            I wrote to the list the other day, because my car didn't start. 
I thought it was the fuel pump and i was adviced to take the filter out and
check to see if the pump worked, i did and it does work, i replaced the
filter just in case that was clogged, but still the car didn't start.  I
Checked the engine fuse and it is good, i've also checked the front spark
plugs to see if they fire and they do.  I made sure the mas sensor was
plugged.  Please advice on what i should check next, the starter sounds ok,
but just in case i also tried to pop start the car and it didn't.  Please let
me know what you think. Thanks in advace.
Christian, 92 SL. 
  
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:40:41 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Fw: Team3S: Clutch survey/friction

 I've yet to do any digging on the topic but you get my 2¢ anyway --- the
 reason area is left out of the friction force equation is because two mating
 materials will only be in contact at a few square micro inches because of
 surface irregularities. I'm not sure that same reasoning applies to devices
 that are bedded in like brakes and clutches --- they require the surfaces to
 rub together to form a better mating surface than would otherwise be
 available to the materials [ maybe many more square micro inches of
 contact ??? ] --- donno, but, in the case of clutches and brakes  it seem
 like it has to be more than just force perpendicular to the direction of motion.

 Jim Berry   [ any responses to this missive should be directed at Jeff Lucius ]
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Collins <bcturbo@hotmail.com>
>
> > Jeff,
> >
> > You are getting a little closer but still not quite correct.  The web page
> > you found probably did more to confuse the situation than explain it.  The
> > reason they used surface area in their calculations is because they are
> > using a normal PRESSURE and not a normal force.  In this case, the normal
> > force, and thus the friction force, will depend on the area times the
> > pressure.

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:05:32 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation...again

Yup, O2 is a big suspect.  That was the case on my '91 TT.  It was most evident
under vacuum conditions (as opposed to boost) and was NOT noticeable under WOT
(ECU ignores O2).  Hooking the car to a scantool (Snap-On I have used) will
reveal the answer pretty quickly.  Mine had part of the sensor element broken,
when replaced, the car ran like a charm. BOL.

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White R/T TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)

"Michael D. Crose" wrote:

> My car is still experiencing hesitation between 2-3,000 rpm.  I have looked
> through quite a few of the archived posts and most of the hesitation
> problems were diagnosed as TPS sensor failure.  I finally got around to
> checking my TPS sensor and it was in spec.
>
> The hesitation is most evident when the motor is still warming up, so I
> think that rules out fuel problems (doesn't it run full rich during warm
> up?).  It only happens when I am lightly accelerating, so it probably isn't
> clutch related.  I just replaced my plugs and wires 6,000 miles ago, most
> likely not the problem.  The problem started about four weeks ago and I had
> not done anything to the car around that time.
>
> What else can I check, O2 sensors?  I am running an FIPK and test pipe, the
> boost has never been raised and these are the only modifications that the
> car has ever had.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael D. Crose

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:32:59 -0400
From: "Katrikh, Robert" <robert.katrikh@mssm.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Problems after installing new MOds

I was driving back from Altered Atmosphere after they installed their
custom exhaust starting from the down pipe all the way to the tips. And
also got the Apex'i AFC Fuel Computer installed... 
They Dyno'd the car and everything was fine(tough test, meaning the car
was running fine). I was running 300hp to the wheels. After they were
done i get on the i95 to go home and after about driving for 2hrs and a
couple of hard accelerations later... i try to accelerate again and i
hear that when the turbos try to spool up they let the air out and i
cant get any boost. It happens simultaneously the harder i press the gas
the more air gets released and the car hesitates to accelerate. Do you
think the turbo might have went... Or can it be that one of the
connections are loose. They also tapped the EGT guage into the header by
drilling a hole... Maybe that could be letting the air out.... Please
help... I need your oppinion... My mods are below... By the way i turned
of the boost controller just in case and the problem still presisted... 

92 3000GT VR4

HKS ECV IV

HKS TURBO TIMER-1

HKS Blow off VAlve

No Cats --  AAM Exhaust --  Downpipe

Apexi AFC

K&N Intake

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:34:51 -0500
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Problems after installing new MOds

- -----Original Message-----
From: Katrikh, Robert <robert.katrikh@mssm.edu>
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:51 AM
Subject: Team3S: Problems after installing new MOds

>I was driving back from Altered Atmosphere after they installed their
>custom exhaust starting from the down pipe all the way to the tips. And
>also got the Apex'i AFC Fuel Computer installed...
>They Dyno'd the car and everything was fine(tough test, meaning the car
>was running fine). I was running 300hp to the wheels. After they were
>done i get on the i95 to go home and after about driving for 2hrs and a
>couple of hard accelerations later... i try to accelerate again and i
>hear that when the turbos try to spool up they let the air out and i
>cant get any boost. It happens simultaneously the harder i press the gas
>the more air gets released and the car hesitates to accelerate. Do you
>think the turbo might have went... Or can it be that one of the
>connections are loose. They also tapped the EGT guage into the header by
>drilling a hole... Maybe that could be letting the air out.... Please
>help... I need your oppinion... My mods are below... By the way i turned
>of the boost controller just in case and the problem still presisted...
- -------

Sounds like you may have blown off an
intercooler hose or the Y-pipe.

It's happened to most of us at one time or another.

(some of us several times)

- - tds

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:27:18 -0400
From: "Boris" <BPeguero@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: car for ale

Hello everybody,

I out of all people, never thought it would come to this, but unfortunately
it is hard for me to justify keeping a car that I love so much and put so
much time, energy, and money into when it has spun a connecting rod bearing
on me for the second time.  It is just getting too expensive and I can't
generate $7,000 every time I spin a connecting rod bearing to get it fixed.

My car is being sold as is.  It is a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo.  The
following is a list of the modifications I have added to the car.  A lot of
the work for which has been done by two very reputable companies, Primespeed
Motorsports and Altered Atmosphere Motorsports.  It's well worth the mods
alone.  If you choose to re-build the motor, you will have a car that
screams.  I hate to part with it.  It has been my greatest passion and has
received tremendous amount of care and maintenance over the past few years.

The mods on this vehicle are as follows:

BRAND NEW AAM Y-Pipe
AAM aluminum spark plug cover
BRAND NEW  AAM spec 15G turbos  (only 500 miles on the turbos)
BRAND NEW  HKS intercoolers (only 500 miles with intercoolers installed)
HKS Vein Pressure Converter with HKS 550cc chip
HKS Super Power Mega Flow Intake
HKS upgraded fuel pump
BRAND NEW  Apexi Super AFC (only 500 miles since installed)
Blitz Dual Solenoid Boost Controller
Blitz Super Sound Blow Off Valve
Greddy 550cc fuel injectors
Greddy Turbo Timer
Greddy air/fuel ratio meter
2 Greddy exhaust temperature gauges with tripod
PowerStop cross-drilled brake rotors
RPS stage III carbon clutch  and throwout bearing (only 500 miles--just
breaking in)
ATR downpipe
ATR high flow catalytic converter
Gutted pre-cats
Borla catback exhaust
Goodridge braided stainless steel brake lines
MSD-4 Ignition System
Denzo Irridium spark plugs
8.5mm Magnecore spark plug wires
Freshly re-built transfer case by Altered Atmosphere
Eibach Pro-Kit springs
Razo shift knob
BRAND NEW Viper 600 series security system
White face gauges
GTR Combat Spoiler
Currently on 255/40/ZR17's BF Goodridge G Force KD tires
Alpine 12 disc CD changer w/ removable face head unit & remote control
Alpine V12 400 watt amplifier
JL Audio 6" door speakers with tweeters
Included is BRAND NEW synchros--- first, second, third, fourth, fifth and
reverse!!!  I purchased these a while ago with Jack Tertadian's one time
only opportunity that he got through a Mitsu rep.  Never installed.
Packaged away for a rainy day if they were needed.  When at AAM recently, I
had the ones in the car now checked and I was told that they were in great
condition and that I wouldn't have to worry about using the brand new ones
for a while.

If you are interested in making an offer to purchase my car, please e-mail
me privately at BPeguero@mediaone.net.

I've very much enjoyed owning this car.  It has by far been the most
exhilarating and pleasurable vehicle I've ever owned and driven.  If you
choose to rebuild the engine, know that this car has had excellent care and
the mods that were installed have all been installed and tuned properly.
Or, if you choose to purchase the automobile just for the mods alone, it
would be well worth it just in the products I've listed.  The names and
reputations of the quality parts installed on this car speak for themselves.

Serious inquiries only.

Very sincerely,

Boris

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