Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Friday, August 31
2001 Volume 01 : Number
595
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Date:
Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:17:30 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: potential transfer case problem
My fault. Case of the
Mondays. I forgot it was a ratio (hence the name)
instead of a true
measurement like the width and diameter.
For all you non-AWD guys don't
forget about plus sizing. I have 245/40/18
(street) and 245/40/17 tires
(track) and when I jack up the car I have to
get it another inch higher since
the 17s are the same ratio (therefore
lower) instead of a plus size which
would be 245/45/17 I believe.
Thanks.
- --Flash!
-
-----Original Message-----
From: cody [mailto:overclck@starband.net]
Sent:
Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:12 PM
Flash - maybe ya need to read up on our
FAQ about tire diameters and
plus sizing.
The second part of a tire
size is it's aspect ratio, or the height of
the tire, which is a percentage
of the width of the tire. The basic
"radius" is half the wheel size
plus a percentage of the width on tires.
http://www.team3s.com/FAQplussizing.htm***
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:17:01
-0700
From: Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Start a gathering or group road trip in the NW.
NW club
members,
Is anyone in the Northwest area that would want to get an annual
gathering
together for a road trip?
I can't get to Texas or the East
Coast and Calif. Is still far away for a
weekend run. I want to feel like I
have friends.......:). Lets get
something going before the summer ends.
I
am thinking about maybe a car show / cruise thing
Any input?
Bob
K.
93 R/T
FIPK KV85's
Bradi cross drilled and slotted rotors
ADR
Enigma 17's 245/45
The web site will be up and going by 9pm pacific time
tonight.
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:20:58
-0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Radiator, custom ?
Anyone know a source for an "improved"
radiator for our cars ?
The stock one isn't cooling good enough and it's
brand new.
Jim
*** Info:
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:00:41
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Radiator, custom ?
Generally our radiators work pretty well,
even for the high-output
crowd. However, if there's nothing wrong with yours
or the thermostat
(right?), then there are some aluminum radiators out there.
Talk to
the speed shops that specialize in our cars like GT PRO and
Dynamic
Racing. My info is out of date from 3 years ago when I rebuilt
my
engine, but at the time shops were offering "upgrades".
Now that I
think of it, my coolant temps hit 209-215 at Norwalk (DSM
shootout) but my
car idled a lot while waiting for practice runs (no
battery in the portable
for the TMO datalogger; now I have
PocketLOGGER) and it was over 90ºF out.
Would an aluminum radiator
keep temps down in the 180's in a situation like
that?
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: "'Team
3S'" <
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: Team3S: Radiator, custom
?
Anyone know a source for an "improved" radiator for our cars ?
The
stock one isn't cooling good enough and it's brand
new.
Jim
*** Info:
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:02:39
-0400
From: Marc Jonathan Jacobs <
Marc.Jacobs@usa.alcatel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: potential transfer case problem
Yes, 1991.702 vs 2048.222 may
sound like a problem, but if it was just
one tire, then one axle averages
1991.702 per tire, but the other axle
only 2019.962. If it was 2 tires
on opposite axles, then there is no
problem.
Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com> wrote:
>
>I believe that the tire size is as follows:
245 = distance in mm
for width
>45 = % of width from rim area to tread---or
profile
>
>so a 225/45 tire is 634.3 mm high or 1991.702 in
circumference and 652.3 x 2048.222
>respectively. I think you may have a
problem.........
- --
Marc J. Jacobs '94 Blue VR-4
xDSL Hardware
Development
Alcatel, USA (919)
850-6386
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:13:19
-0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Radiator, custom ?
Jeff,
I have tried 5 different thermostats
of various temperature ranges,
new hoses and a new radiator.
Prior to the
new radiator we back flushed the cooling system 5 or 6
times.
I don't know
if you remember but I am the one who has vapor locking
during the
Summer.
I see Bozz Speed has a $1,250 + but the guy I talk to says is
only
.25 inch thicker than stock.
GT Pro is developing one with better
capacity but it is probably
going to have to wait until after their move, the
CF hood and the ECU
replacement projects.
Dynamic Racing hasn't returned
my call yet.
Jim
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius
[mailto:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:01
PM
To:
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Radiator, custom ?
Generally our radiators work pretty
well, even for the high-output
crowd. However, if there's nothing wrong with
yours or the thermostat
(right?), then there are some aluminum radiators out
there. Talk to
the speed shops that specialize in our cars like GT PRO and
Dynamic
Racing. My info is out of date from 3 years ago when I rebuilt
my
engine, but at the time shops were offering "upgrades".
Now that I
think of it, my coolant temps hit 209-215 at Norwalk (DSM
shootout) but my
car idled a lot while waiting for practice runs (no
battery in the portable
for the TMO datalogger; now I have
PocketLOGGER) and it was over 90ºF out.
Would an aluminum radiator
keep temps down in the 180's in a situation like
that?
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com***
Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:29:37
-0700
From: "nwlink" <
vlsgto@nwlink.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Clutch survey
Steve,
This is my second RPS Clutch and it
is junk. The first one got blown to
shreds when I did only three runs at the
track. This current RPS in my
car...I have not even launched with it and
haven't even gone to the track
and it already feels mushy when hot and
doesn't feel good at all. As a side
note, I don't ride my clutch and so, it
is the clutch and not me. :)
No more RPS for me....Hau use to say the
stock clutch was the best, I now
see why. I don't mind changing stock
clutches every 6 months if I race
often...at least I can do a full dump of
the clutch rather than slipping the
RPS.
My take.
Julian
Huang
94 Mitsubishi Veilside Tein TEC GTO tt
Team 3S
Seattle,
Washington
vlsgto@nwlink.com"Caution: You are about
to enter a NO SPIN ZONE!"
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Steve Cooper
Sent: Wednesday,
August 29, 2001 11:42 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch
survey
Hi
I missed the survey too. I had RPS turbo clutch, lasted
only one year, cost
me a small fortune with our exchange rate. Absolute
crap.I now have an OS
Giken. Heaps better.
Steve
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Info:
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:28:47
-0400
From: MIHAI RAICU <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Clutch survey
Hello all,
I recently (~2000 miles ago or ~1 month)
installed an RPS
stage 3. So far I have no complaints, except that the
brake
in period is HELL!!! It was very hard to start nicely
because of the chattering, I was stalling the engine left and
right
because I wasn't giving it enough gas, etc... (I also
was not stopping at
stop signs for the same reasons).
Anyways, 2000 miles later, it feels
very similar to my stock
clutch in terms of how smooth I can make
engagements. About
holding power, so far it has been great with the
exception of
a few instances, which I still am not sure what exactly they
were. On 2 or 3 ocassions, it seemed that it was starting to
slip,
and therefore I stepped off the gas, so I don't know if
it was just my
impression, or if it was real. I was trying
to baby the clutch BIG
TIME right after the brake in period.
The truth is that after I found
some courage to really be
aggressive with it (3500~4000 RPM) slipping
launches, it is
working awesome. I manage to chirp the tires just
about
every time I do an aggressive launch. I guess only time will
tell, but so far so good.
By the way, current relevant mods:
Boost
controller (set @ .9 bar), K&N, Stillen downpipe, no
front pre cat and
no main cat, Greddy Type-S BOV.
John Raicu
94 Yellow
TT.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:33:34
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Radiator, custom ?
I don't think you need a thicker radiator.
The advantage of the
aluminum (besides saving some weight) is that the tubes
can be larger
(brass is too soft to do this). This increases the
efficiency.
Griffin talks about this a little at their web page
below.
http://griffinrad.com/whyaluminum.htmAnd
another little piece:
http://www.liquidcooledairpower.com/lc-radiatortech.shtmlJeff
Lucius,
www.stealth316.com-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: <
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Radiator, custom
?
Jeff,
I have tried 5 different thermostats of various temperature
ranges,
new hoses and a new radiator. Prior to the new radiator we
back
flushed the cooling system 5 or 6 times. I don't know if you
remember
but I am the one who has vapor locking during the Summer. I see
Bozz
Speed has a $1,250 + but the guy I talk to says is only .25
inch
thicker than stock. GT Pro is developing one with better capacity
but
it is probably going to have to wait until after their move, the
CF
hood and the ECU replacement projects. Dynamic Racing hasn't
returned
my call yet.
Jim
*** Info:
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:35:26
-0400
From: MIHAI RAICU <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: bad
gas mileage
Hello,
Before I installed the downpipe and new RPS
stage 3 clutch, I
tought I was getting something around 15~16 miles a gallon
in
half/half city/highway driving. For the last 3~4 gas tanks,
I
have been getting about 11~13 miles a gallon with the same
style of
driving. Could the downpipe do this, or is it just
a
coincidence. Another factor which might have affected this
is
switching from Michigan 94 octane gas to California 91
octane gas. I
changed the downpipe at about the same time,
so I don't remember what I was
getting right when I got
here. And the funny thing is I even lowered
my boost to .9
instead of 1.0 bar for the reason of the lower octane.
One
more thing: when I upgraded my BOV (2 weeks ago), I found the
original BOV was really dirty of oil on the inside. Any
ideas?
John Raicu
94 Yellow TT
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:23:02
-0700
From: Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: GTO fonts
I lost the pics of the GTO fonts that was sent to
me.....could the person that sent them resend them to:
Ek2mfg@foxinternet.comI am dead
in the water with this plate till I get it.
They will all be done by
Sunday. Will have pics on my web site for your review by Sunday as
well.
Enjoy the weekend I'm off to the shop.
Bob
k.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:47:11
-0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Radiator, custom ?
Also, aluminum has the highest heat
conductance of just about anything!
Not heat capacity, but conductance, so
it will flow the heat away (TO AIR) BETTER.
Kurt
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius [mailto:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
Sent:
Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:34 PM
To:
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Radiator, custom ?
I don't think you need a thicker radiator.
The advantage of the
aluminum (besides saving some weight) is that the tubes
can be larger
(brass is too soft to do this). This increases the
efficiency.
Griffin talks about this a little at their web page
below.
http://griffinrad.com/whyaluminum.htmAnd
another little piece:
http://www.liquidcooledairpower.com/lc-radiatortech.shtmlJeff
Lucius,
www.stealth316.com-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <
Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: <
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Radiator, custom
?
Jeff,
I have tried 5 different thermostats of various temperature
ranges,
new hoses and a new radiator. Prior to the new radiator we
back
flushed the cooling system 5 or 6 times. I don't know if you
remember
but I am the one who has vapor locking during the Summer. I see
Bozz
Speed has a $1,250 + but the guy I talk to says is only .25
inch
thicker than stock. GT Pro is developing one with better capacity
but
it is probably going to have to wait until after their move, the
CF
hood and the ECU replacement projects. Dynamic Racing hasn't
returned
my call yet.
Jim
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:39:32
-0700
From: "BlackLight" <
BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Start a gathering or group road trip in the NW.
For those
that are unaware, there is a NW group, called PNWS3, the
website is
http://www.nws3.com/ . We have picts up from the
Mt. St.
Helens meet this month. Pretty good turnout for us, 13 cars (would
have
been 14 if I could have found the group >:( ). There is also a
Portland
lunch group that gets together every now and then for lunch. I have
some
picts on my website (which needs to be finished) at
www.blacklight.5u.com . As for a huge
annual meet, I would definitely
(thanks Bob :) love to see it!
Matt
Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem
OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Netwww.BlackLight.5u.com-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Koch
Sent: Thursday,
August 30, 2001 1:17 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Start a
gathering or group road trip in the NW.
NW club members,
Is anyone in
the Northwest area that would want to get an annual
gathering
together
for a road trip?
I can't get to Texas or the East Coast and Calif. Is still
far away for
a
weekend run. I want to feel like I have friends.......:).
Lets get
something going before the summer ends.
I am thinking about
maybe a car show / cruise thing
Any input?
Bob K.
93
R/T
FIPK KV85's
Bradi cross drilled and slotted rotors
ADR Enigma 17's
245/45
The web site will be up and going by 9pm pacific time
tonight.
*** Info:
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:16:37
-0400
From: "Brian Collins" <
bcturbo@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch survey/friction
Jeff,
I agree with
Jason on this one. Friction force is definitely not
proportional to
surface area. From physics:
Friction Force = Normal Force X
Coefficient of Friction
Surface area is not mentioned anywhere in this
equation. The reason that
larger tires grip better has to do with
TRACTION which is a little different
than simple friction. A quick
google search produced a web page that helps
explain this somewhat complex
issue:
http://www.cosm.sc.edu/~phys153/tirefriction.htmlThus,
theoretically, the surface area of the clutch should not have much
affect on
the friction force givin that the normal forces between the
surfaces is the
same.
Brian Collins
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:29:41
-0400
From: "Geordon Portice" <
geordon@voyager.net>
Subject:
Team3S: All season tires TT/VR-4?
I have a '92 R/T TT which I drive year
round in Michigan.
At 40,000mi I replaced the OEM Gaterbacks with
Pirelli
P7000 Supersports. They looked cool, and performed
well, but have worn out
very fast. I am currently nursing them
to almost 60,000mi on the odo while I
figure out what to
replace them with. I plan on staying with stock 245/45R17
size.
Based on price, tests, and reviews at TireRack, it seems the
Dunlop SP Sport 5000 are the way to go for an all season
high
performance tire, but I have not seen a single mention
of this tire on the
this list or the archives.
Has anyone had any experience with this tires
in winter
driving? How are they for summer versus the SP8000 and
SP9000,
which gets a lot of mention?
I know Michelin has a nice all season
performance tire in the
Pilot XGT Z4, and may be a little better in dry
conditions, but
the cost differential is significant ($134 vs $195), and the
Dunlop supposedly has better ride and noise comfort and
road rating,
though not quite as good in responsiveness.
Any feedback would be
welcome.
Thanks,
Geordon
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin
Turbo
Original owner
Stock, but expecing a K&N FIPK soon, and doing
hard
research on a Boost Controller
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:15:16
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: OEM tires - All season tires TT/VR-4?
Gatorbacks as the
OEM tire. I was under the impression all VR-4's, and
maybe SL's came
with Yokohama tires from the factory. I guess / assume
Dodge was a
little different in tire choices from the factory. Any
other info, like
original tires on cars. I am pretty sure the 18" VR-4
tire of choice
were the Yokohama A-028 in 245/40-18 size. Just a
curiousity I
guess...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Geordon Portice
Sent:
Friday, August 31, 2001 12:30 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: All season tires TT/VR-4?
I have a '92 R/T TT which I drive year
round in Michigan.
At 40,000mi I replaced the OEM Gaterbacks with
Pirelli
P7000 Supersports. They looked cool, and performed
well, but have worn out
very fast. I am currently nursing them
to almost 60,000mi on the odo while I
figure out what to
replace them with. I plan on staying with stock 245/45R17
size.
Based on price, tests, and reviews at TireRack, it seems the
Dunlop SP Sport 5000 are the way to go for an all season
high
performance tire, but I have not seen a single mention
of this tire on the
this list or the archives.
Has anyone had any experience with this tires
in winter
driving? How are they for summer versus the SP8000 and
SP9000,
which gets a lot of mention?
I know Michelin has a nice all season
performance tire in the
Pilot XGT Z4, and may be a little better in dry
conditions, but
the cost differential is significant ($134 vs $195), and the
Dunlop supposedly has better ride and noise comfort and
road rating,
though not quite as good in responsiveness.
Any feedback would be
welcome.
Thanks,
Geordon
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin
Turbo
Original owner
Stock, but expecing a K&N FIPK soon, and doing
hard
research on a Boost Controller
*** Info:
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:15:37
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: OEM tires - All season tires TT/VR-4?
Gatorbacks as the
OEM tire. I was under the impression all VR-4's, and
maybe SL's came
with Yokohama tires from the factory. I guess / assume
Dodge was a
little different in tire choices from the factory. Any
other info, like
original tires on cars. I am pretty sure the 18" VR-4
tire of choice
were the Yokohama A-028 in 245/40-18 size. Just a
curiousity I
guess...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Geordon Portice
Sent:
Friday, August 31, 2001 12:30 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: All season tires TT/VR-4?
I have a '92 R/T TT which I drive year
round in Michigan.
At 40,000mi I replaced the OEM Gaterbacks with
Pirelli
P7000 Supersports. They looked cool, and performed
well, but have worn out
very fast. I am currently nursing them
to almost 60,000mi on the odo while I
figure out what to
replace them with. I plan on staying with stock 245/45R17
size.
Based on price, tests, and reviews at TireRack, it seems the
Dunlop SP Sport 5000 are the way to go for an all season
high
performance tire, but I have not seen a single mention
of this tire on the
this list or the archives.
Has anyone had any experience with this tires
in winter
driving? How are they for summer versus the SP8000 and
SP9000,
which gets a lot of mention?
I know Michelin has a nice all season
performance tire in the
Pilot XGT Z4, and may be a little better in dry
conditions, but
the cost differential is significant ($134 vs $195), and the
Dunlop supposedly has better ride and noise comfort and
road rating,
though not quite as good in responsiveness.
Any feedback would be
welcome.
Thanks,
Geordon
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin
Turbo
Original owner
Stock, but expecing a K&N FIPK soon, and doing
hard
research on a Boost Controller
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:13:42
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Clutch survey/friction
Yep. I got it wrong, at least
theoretically. :)
I'm sure surface area has something to do with it.
Maybe it's the
heat aspect? I mean according to the theory, we could have a
clutch
with only one square inch of surface area and get the same
"friction"
as 100 square inches (normal force and coef. of friction being
the
same).
So why are brake pads, clutches, and tire contact patches
not the
size of quarters? :)
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- --- Brian
Collins <
bcturbo@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> I agree with Jason on this one.
Friction force is definitely not
> proportional to surface area.
From physics:
>
> Friction Force = Normal Force X Coefficient of
Friction
>
> Surface area is not mentioned anywhere in this
equation. The
> reason that
> larger tires grip better has to
do with TRACTION which is a little
> different
> than simple
friction. A quick google search produced a web page
> that
helps
> explain this somewhat complex issue:
>
http://www.cosm.sc.edu/~phys153/tirefriction.html>
> Thus, theoretically, the surface area of the clutch should not
have
> much
> affect on the friction force givin that the normal
forces between
> the
> surfaces is the same.
>
> Brian
Collins
*** Info:
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:00:57
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Clutch survey/friction
Hmmm, replying to my own post - almost
like talking to myself. :)
After a little more searching on the web (just
takes the right combo
of words with google.com) I found the following page
that supplies
the term I am looking for and the "force" that we need to
be
concerned with as far as our clutches go.
Clutch torque, or more
correctly, torque tramsmitted by the clutch.
http://www.tech.plym.ac.uk/sme/desnotes/desclut.htmIf
engine torque exceeds clutch torque, the clutch "slips". If clutch
"torque"
exceeds engine torque it "grabs". Clutch "torque" is a
function of the force
exerted by the pressure plate, the coefficient
of friction of the two mated
surfaces, and the surface area of all
mated surfaces (that is, both sides of
the clutch) - just as I first
described but incorrectly called
friction.
So I guess we are back to pucks vs full face. Pucks reduce
the
surface area. So the pressure plate force or coefficient of
friction
must increase to compensate, assuming you want equal or
greater
torque transmitting ability compared to the stock clutch.
Jeff
Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ---
Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Yep. I got it wrong, at least theoretically. :)
>
>
I'm sure surface area has something to do with it. Maybe it's the
> heat
aspect? I mean according to the theory, we could have a clutch
> with only
one square inch of surface area and get the same
> "friction"
> as
100 square inches (normal force and coef. of friction being the
> same).
>
> So why are brake pads, clutches, and tire contact patches not
the
> size of quarters? :)
>
> Jeff Lucius,
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:09:28
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: All season tires TT/VR-4?
Expect an Sp9000 to last about 30,000
miles give or take depending on how
you feel about driving on really low
tread. I used to drive my T/A on
BFGoodrich Comp T/As till they looked
like slicks. Will not do it with this
car cause its an all-season
car. I replaced mine at 25,000 miles cause I
bought a new set of chrome
rims/tires with better tread. I replaced these
with Sp9000 again, and I
put almost 27,000 on those when I hit a curb last
winter and bought a new set
of RPO1 rims (on sale by the way at $200
each -tire rack) and Nitto 555
Extreme tires which are wearing much more
slowly then the SP9000, but are
lousy in the snow and rain. Car hydroplanes
at speeds at or above
75mph. I used to drive the car at 80+ with the
SP9000s.
Sam
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Geordon Portice <
geordon@voyager.net>
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 AM
Subject: Team3S: All season tires
TT/VR-4?
>I have a '92 R/T TT which I drive year round in
Michigan.
>At 40,000mi I replaced the OEM Gaterbacks with
>Pirelli
P7000 Supersports. They looked cool, and performed
>well, but have worn
out very fast. I am currently nursing them
>to almost 60,000mi on the odo
while I figure out what to
>replace them with. I plan on staying with
stock 245/45R17 size.
>
>Based on price, tests, and reviews at
TireRack, it seems the
>Dunlop SP Sport 5000 are the way to go for an all
season
>high performance tire, but I have not seen a single
mention
>of this tire on the this list or the archives.
>
>Has
anyone had any experience with this tires in winter
>driving? How are they
for summer versus the SP8000 and
>SP9000, which gets a lot of
mention?
>
>I know Michelin has a nice all season performance tire
in the
>Pilot XGT Z4, and may be a little better in dry conditions,
but
>the cost differential is significant ($134 vs $195), and
the
>Dunlop supposedly has better ride and noise comfort and
>road
rating, though not quite as good in responsiveness.
>
>Any feedback
would be welcome.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Geordon
>1992
Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo
>Original owner
>Stock, but expecing a
K&N FIPK soon, and doing hard
>research on a Boost
Controller
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:30:01
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: OEM tires - All season tires TT/VR-4?
All-season tires,
IMHO, are not recommended for our cars. Get yourself a
good set of
summer tires and a good set of winter tires. My Pirelli P-Zero
tires
are currently on their 32,000th mile and are just starting to lose
their
traction in hard turns.
I don't stick with the OEM tires since those are
always all-season and are
not the best performance tire for the car but when
nothing else works they
do well all year in most conditions but cars are not
shipped with different
OEM tires to Michigan than they are to
Florida.
I will also get a set of Blizzak tires this winter which are
hands-down the
best snow tire (there are better for ice I believe but I don't
get that
here). One small hill of snow on the Pirelli summer tires
showed me how
much they suck on slick services and I will definitely get
winter tires this
year.
For as little as tires cost I would rather be
sure-footed out there than the
one who is sliding into everyone
else.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
Pittsburgh, PA
- -----Original
Message-----
From: cody
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:15
AM
Gatorbacks as the OEM tire. I was under the impression all
VR-4's, and
maybe SL's came with Yokohama tires from the factory. I
guess / assume
Dodge was a little different in tire choices from the
factory. Any
other info, like original tires on cars. I am pretty
sure the 18" VR-4
tire of choice were the Yokohama A-028 in 245/40-18
size. Just a
curiousity I guess...
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:34:59
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: All season tires TT/VR-4?
Again, anyone who drives 75+ in the
rain or snow deserves to be shot. I
don't care how good the traction
is. Just slowing down to 55 mph from 65
mph will cost you 10 mph so if
you drive for an entire hour at that speed
you will be 10 miles farther from
your goal.
How many times to rainstorms last an hour when driving?
Usually never.
They are 10-30 minutes at most (yes there are times when it is
4 hours but
not on average). Slow down, save a life, and worry about
car control
instead of being the fastest car on the road.
Empty
semi-trucks might go faster but they have 18 tires and we have 4.
They are
18,000 pounds and we are 4,000. That is 1,000 pounds per
tire
average. Since their tire patch is larger they have more
traction. Don't
think you can keep up with other cars since you don't
know what they have
under their corners.
- --Flash!
1995
VR-4
(am I related to Ralph Nader?)
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Sam Shelat
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:09
AM
and Nitto 555 Extreme tires which are wearing much more
slowly then
the SP9000, but are lousy in the snow and rain. Car hydroplanes
at
speeds at or above 75mph. I used to drive the car at 80+ with
the
SP9000s.
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:08:30
-0700
From: "Darc" <
wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OEM
tires - All season tires TT/VR-4?
Goodyear Eagles ZR45's were the
OEM's for Western Canada in the 92 Stealth
TT production year. I
suspect OEM's were different in different production
years and possibly
different for different geographical areas.
Darc
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
To:
"Team3S" <
team3s@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Sent:
Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM tires - All
season tires TT/VR-4?
> Gatorbacks as the OEM tire. I was under
the impression all VR-4's, and
> maybe SL's came with Yokohama tires from
the factory. I guess / assume
> Dodge was a little different in tire
choices from the factory. Any
> other info, like original tires on
cars. I am pretty sure the 18" VR-4
> tire of choice were the
Yokohama A-028 in 245/40-18 size. Just a
> curiousity I
guess...
>
> -Cody
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:22:59
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: OEM tires - All season tires TT/VR-4?
We got the Dunlop
SP8080 (225/50-17) here in Switzerland and Michelins in
Germany (in the last
years SP8000). They are Summer-tires while cars sold
in winter got Dunlop
Winter-tires. Mitsu did not approve All-Seasons for
the 3k in Europe
!
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 07:08 31.08.2001 -0700, Darc
wrote:
>Goodyear Eagles ZR45's were the OEM's for Western Canada in
the 92 Stealth
>TT production year. I suspect OEM's were
different in different production
>years and possibly different for
different geographical areas.
>
>Darc
>
>----- Original
Message -----
>From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
>To:
"Team3S" <
team3s@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
>Sent:
Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:15 PM
>Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM tires - All
season tires TT/VR-4?
>
> > Gatorbacks as the OEM tire. I
was under the impression all VR-4's, and
> > maybe SL's came with
Yokohama tires from the factory. I guess / assume
> > Dodge was a
little different in tire choices from the factory. Any
> > other
info, like original tires on cars. I am pretty sure the 18" VR-4
>
> tire of choice were the Yokohama A-028 in 245/40-18 size. Just
a
> > curiousity I guess...
> >
> >
-Cody
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:27:19
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: OEM tires - All season tires TT/VR-4?
At 09:30 AM
8/31/01 -0400, Darren Schilberg wrote:
>All-season tires, IMHO, are not
recommended for our cars. Get yourself a
>good set of summer tires
and a good set of winter tires.
Better you should garage the
TT/VR4 for the winter and buy a winter rat.
That way, you can protect it from
the ravages of winter plus put it up on
jackstands to install mods.
I
recommend an Eagle Talon AWD as the perfect winter car -- it's like
the
"little brother" to the TT, cuz everything is very familiar,
similar,
almost the same, and works the same way. (not only am I redundant, I
say
the same thing in two or more ways, and I repeat myself. But I
digress).
Love my Talon. Someday I hope to turn it into a pro rally car
or even a
track car. At 3000 lb or so, it has a lot of
potential.
Rich
94 VR4
92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:58:51
-0400
From: "Willard R. Semple" <
beowulf@del.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Help Needed (Fuel and Ignition)
Thanks for the help that I've received so
far, but I believe that
problem goes deeper than that. The fuel pump is fine.
It works when
bypassed. Maybe it would help if I would list the
mods.
K&N FIPK
AAM aluminum Y-Pipe
APEXi AVC-r Boost
Controller
Borla cat back exhaust
AAM SS Down pipe
Greddy
BOV
Goodridge SS brake lines
RPS turbo clutch
Autometer boost
gauge
HKS H/V fuel pump
R&S Kustumz front race motor mount
R&s
Kustumz short shifter
gutted pre cats
Hope this will help others to
further aid me in diagnosing this problem.
Thanks again,
Will, and his
ailing Stealth
Ken Middaugh wrote:
>
> I had very similar
problems. My engine would not start, or it would start
> and run for
30 seconds after sitting in the hot sun.
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:51:07
-0400
From: "Payne, Scott" <
SPayne@hunton.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Boost Controller
I'm finally ready to buy a boost controller for my 94
stealth r/t twin
turbo. I need one that a novice like me can install. I am
seriously
considering the Blitz DSBC. Who sells these things the cheapest?
Which one
is the easiest to install and use? Should I get the BOV with it?
I've seen a
lot of emails about BOV's that do NOT fit our cars properly. Who
sells a
perfect fit?
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:54:18
-0400
From: "Kevin Schappell" <
kevin@schappell.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Boost Controller
I have the TurboXS BOV and it is a direct fit,
price is around $175.
http://www.turboxs.com For a BC I would
suggest a manual boost controller
like TurboXS offers or make one
yourself. I did my own for $8 and it only
overboosts a little bit
(1-2psi) in 1st gear and holds boost very well in
all other gears. In
theory it should spool up quicker than an EBC and is
safer than a bleeder
type valve.
Take care,
Kevin Schappell
http://kevin.schappell.comSave money
on all of your speed parts.
http://www.SpeedShoppers.com>
-----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Payne, Scott
> Sent:
Friday, August 31, 2001 1:51 PM
> To: Team3S (E-mail)
> Subject:
Team3S: Boost Controller
>
>
> I'm finally ready to buy a
boost controller for my 94 stealth r/t twin
> turbo. I need one that a
novice like me can install. I am seriously
> considering the Blitz DSBC.
Who sells these things the cheapest? Which one
> is the easiest to install
and use? Should I get the BOV with it?
> I've seen a
> lot of emails
about BOV's that do NOT fit our cars properly. Who sells a
> perfect
fit?
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:16:30
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Boost Controller
I recently tried to find one, and was told
they are out of production.
Rich
At 01:51 PM 8/31/01 -0400, Payne, Scott
wrote:
>I'm finally ready to buy a boost controller for my 94 stealth r/t
twin
>turbo. I need one that a novice like me can install. I am
seriously
>considering the Blitz DSBC. Who sells these things the
cheapest? Which one
>is the easiest to install and use? Should I get the
BOV with it? I've seen a
>lot of emails about BOV's that do NOT fit our
cars properly. Who sells a
>perfect fit?
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:21:58
-0400
From: "Michael D. Crose" <
ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Hesitation...again
My car is still experiencing hesitation
between 2-3,000 rpm. I have looked
through quite a few of the archived
posts and most of the hesitation
problems were diagnosed as TPS sensor
failure. I finally got around to
checking my TPS sensor and it was in
spec.
The hesitation is most evident when the motor is still warming up,
so I
think that rules out fuel problems (doesn't it run full rich during
warm
up?). It only happens when I am lightly accelerating, so it
probably isn't
clutch related. I just replaced my plugs and wires
6,000 miles ago, most
likely not the problem. The problem started
about four weeks ago and I had
not done anything to the car around that
time.
What else can I check, O2 sensors? I am running an FIPK and
test pipe, the
boost has never been raised and these are the only
modifications that the
car has ever had.
Thanks,
Michael D.
Crose
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:32:35
-0700 (PDT)
From: AmkreadGTO <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Hesitation...again
A fellow 3S'er is also experiencing the exact
same
problem.. low RPM hessitation during warm ups.. i also
suggested
might be o2 going bad.. but i dont know what
im talking about most of the
time.. =)
he has intake, exhaust, and BC..
please keep all ur
inputs/suggestions public.. Thanks!
/George
- --- "Michael D. Crose"
<
ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> My car is still experiencing hesitation between
> 2-3,000
rpm. I have looked
> through quite a few of the archived posts and
most
> of the hesitation
> problems were diagnosed as TPS sensor
failure. I
> finally got around to
> checking my TPS sensor
and it was in spec.
>
> The hesitation is most evident when the
motor is
> still warming up, so I
> think that rules out fuel
problems (doesn't it run
> full rich during warm
> up?). It
only happens when I am lightly
> accelerating, so it probably isn't
> clutch related. I just replaced my plugs and wires
> 6,000
miles ago, most
> likely not the problem. The problem started
about
> four weeks ago and I had
> not done anything to the car
around that time.
>
> What else can I check, O2 sensors? I am
running an
> FIPK and test pipe, the
> boost has never been raised
and these are the only
> modifications that the
> car has ever
had.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael D. Crose
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:39:14
-0500
From: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Boost Controller
The Blitz DSBC? That doesn't sound
right. They just came out with the
silver one this year. I'm sure
you can still find them even if they did go
out of production because it must
have just happened.
Christopher
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To:
"Payne, Scott" <
SPayne@hunton.com>;
"Team3S (E-mail)"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, August 31, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost
Controller
> I recently tried to find one, and was told they are out
of production.
> Rich
> At 01:51 PM 8/31/01 -0400, Payne, Scott
wrote:
> >I'm finally ready to buy a boost controller for my 94 stealth
r/t twin
> >turbo. I need one that a novice like me can install. I am
seriously
> >considering the Blitz DSBC. Who sells these things the
cheapest? Which
one
> >is the easiest to install and use? Should I
get the BOV with it? I've
seen a
> >lot of emails about BOV's that
do NOT fit our cars properly. Who sells a
> >perfect
fit?
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:32:37
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Boost Controller
Blitz has the DSBC in Black, Silver and the
new SBC-iD in production.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch- -----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----
Von: "Christopher Deutsch" <
crdeutsch@mn.mediaone.net>
An:
"Team3S (E-mail)" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Gesendet:
Freitag, 31. August 2001 20:39
Betreff: Re: Team3S: Boost
Controller
> The Blitz DSBC? That doesn't sound right.
They just came out with the
> silver one this year. I'm sure you can
still find them even if they did
go
> out of production because it must
have just happened.
> Christopher
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