Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Wednesday, August 29 2001
Volume 01 : Number
593
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Date:
Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:03:21 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
Does anyone know
the vertical position of the Center Of Gravity for a stock
VR4? The
horizontal positions are indicated in the Service Manual.
Chuck
(inquiring minds want to know) Willis
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:00:53
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Downpipes
Never gutted my rear pre-cat for the last two years of
owning the Stillen
DP. No noticeable problems. I speculated that
perhaps my overboost
characteristics have something to do with the AVCr
trying to hold boost at
15psi, but since the rear is choked off compared to
the front, but they both
get the same wastegate signal, that the front one is
forced to work a little
harder, and its surging. Thats just an
opinion. It will never be tested
though, cause when the GT357s go in, I
will have a pre-cat eliminator for
the back turbo.
Sam
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd D.Shelton <
tds@brightok.net>
To: Team3S List
(E-mail) <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Downpipes
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gross, Erik <
erik.gross@intel.com>
>To:
Team3S List (E-mail) <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Date:
Friday, August 24, 2001 5:20 PM
>Subject: RE: Team3S:
Downpipes
>
>>So with all these posts about
downpipes...
>>
>>Is it imperative that you have equal
backpressure on both banks' exhaust?
>>For example if you used a
downpipe that removes the front and main cat and
>>you *don't* gut your
rear pre-cat... It makes sense that for
optimal
>power,
>>you'd want the backpressures to be as close as
possible. I'm wondering if
>>you had significantly more
restriction on one bank, would it cause
problems
>>(I don't know -
vibrations, engine rocking, etc)? OTOH, the
stock
downpipe
>>presents significantly more resistance to smooth
airflow by the 90 degree
>>bend as the banks' exhaust
merge. Anyone have a definitive
answer?
>>
>>--Erik
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:00:29
-0700
From: "Michael Hahn" <
mmhahn@mindspring.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Stealth R/T Turbo - For Sale
92 Stealth R/T Turbo for
sale: Location: Seattle, WA - Description:
Dark Green w/ tan
leather interior, fully loaded, AWD, 77,000 miles, all
records since new, oil
changes every 3500 miles, beautiful condition in/out,
$11,000 Contact
Michael, e-mail -
mmhahn@mindspring.com or
call
206-300-1894
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:22:05
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
> Does anyone
know the vertical position of the Center Of Gravity for a
stock VR4?
The horizontal positions are indicated in the Service Manual.
> Chuck
(inquiring minds want to know) Willis
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John Monnin posted something along
these lines a few months ago... You have
to weigh the car (both sides
separately, or at each wheel) somehow, and then
plug it into some formula
(that he offered). Get in touch with him and
share it with us,
SVP. I've copied him...
Best,
Forrest
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:31:51
-0600
From: "Moe Prasad" <
mprasad01@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wheel Spacer Dilema
Dave,
I have two 3mm spacers from
H&R sitting in my garage. I have a 92 VR4 so
they should fit
without any problem. Send my your address and you can have
them until
you get yours from H&R. When ever you get yours, just ship
them
back. I am in no hurry to get them back. I do not need
them.
Rgds
Moe
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
"bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
To: "Team 3S"
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, August 27, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: Team3S: Wheel Spacer
Dilema
> I've been told by a number of H&R vendors that it's a
6 wk. lead time for
> wheel spacers. Evidently the entire country of
Germany is on vacation
> during August. As a temporary measure, I've
installed 5 flat washers
ground
> to .100 thk. in order to get the
caliper clearance I need on the big reds
to
> drive my car. I'm
wandering if it's safe to continue to use this
> arrangement for an
upcoming track event. Can anyone think of a reason why
> using
precision flat washers is unacceptable compared to a single H&R
>
spacer?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> DaveT/92TT
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:27:37
EDT
From:
RDO26@aol.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: Help Needed (Fuel and Ignition)
Is it an older (91-93) model? Do
you live in a hot climate?
It sounds to me like the classic symptoms of a bad
ECU, usually caused by bad capacitors. It will be a $5 to $350 fix depending on
how badly the circuit board got "burned" up and how willing you are to mess with
it yourself.
Ron
In a message dated Tue, 28 Aug 2001 1:06:34
PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Willard R. Semple" <
beowulf@del.net> writes:
> Hello
All,
>
> My Stealth TT has had Starting problems for several weeks.
It would not
> start easily when sitting in the sun for a few hours. And
when it did
> start, it would cut off several times before it would run
normally.
> Yesterday, it would not start at all
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:45:48
-0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Wheel Spacers
Wow, what a generous response! I love this
list. For those who were
wandering, the .1 washers still maintain the
hub-centric condition.
Thanks again,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:36:18
-0700
From: "Steven M." <
nws3@winisp.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Pulling Left at High Speeds
Check with local autocrossers, ask them who
they use for alignment, when
you hear about 5 people swear by the same shop,
take it to them. They
can probably diagnose your problem even if it's
not alignment related.
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Payne, Scott
Sent: Tuesday,
August 28, 2001 9:49 AM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Pulling Left
at High Speeds
1994 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo with 71K miles.
Symptoms- After EVERY
4
wheel alignment within a week the car is out of
align. Almost always
pulling
left. At 65 MPH car will "float". Sometimes
middle, sometimes pulls left
and
sometimes pulls right. This behavior
changes every few miles. At 80 MPH
and
above car consistently pulls left.
Faster I go harder it pulls. I'm
taking
it to a mechanic very soon and
just wanted some ideas as to what the
problem
may be.
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Date: 28 Aug 2001 20:02:14
-0700
From: John Monnin <
jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
Someone asked
me for details on how to find vertical center of gravity for a car.
I
posted the information on the 3si board.
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=fff156a75186f8b5a56fbd5f22af42a4&threadid=43186John
Monnin
jkmonnin@altavista.com1991 VR4 with
4-bolt main conversion almost done.
I got the transmission back in
today!
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:32:24
EDT
From:
The68th@aol.comSubject:
Team3S: 92 Stealth ES - For Sale
I have a blue, 5 speed, 1992 Dodge
Stealth ES with 82,000 miles. I'm looking for $7,200. It needs the
front left ball joint replaced. I'm just going off to college, have no
place for it, and need some money. Just give me an e-mail if anyone is
interested.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:24:47
-0400
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <
stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Brake Rotor Question
I checked the FAQ, didn't see this
mentioned:
I seem to recall earlier discussions about the potential
problems of turning
the rotors, something about a step or chamfer on the
rotor surface that had
to be maintained. Am I mis-remembering or is
there something to it?
Thanks.
Dennis
93 Stealth
ES
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:06:11
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Pulling Left at High Speeds
Most AutoX racers are not AWD people
and only need a 2-wheel alignment and
not the "special" 4-wheel thrust
alignment that we need. I was at Sears for
mine and they said,
"Hmmm. I don't see it here. Oh wait. Here it is.
It
is listed as a 'difficult alignment procedure' and is $90 instead of
the
normal price." My performance shop does it also (to ANY angle
specified)
but was booked for two weeks.
I also have some wandering of
my car and on some roads (those in Iowa were
nice) the car is perfectly
straight for a half mile. A few miles later it
will steer from the left
lane to the right lane in under an 1/8 or 1/4 mile
(maybe that was in
Missouri though). Point is ... the road has something to
do with the
feeling. Steering wheel wobble when the car pulls but perfectly
normal
when it goes straight.
Alignment is done so that is not the
problem. Tires are wearing on mine so
it might be a belt starting to
show and pull or push to one side. Also,
under braking it wobbles more
than a warped rotor does since it pulls to the
side when braking.
-
--Flash!
1995 VR-4
Pittsburgh, PA but put 30k miles on the car with the
same tires from
Wisconsin to Iowa to Ocean City to Cape Cod.
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven M.
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001
10:36 PM
Check with local autocrossers, ask them who they use for
alignment, when
you hear about 5 people swear by the same shop, take it to
them. They
can probably diagnose your problem even if it's not
alignment related.
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:09:25
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: For Sale: 1995 3000GT Caracas Red Base Model
Manual or
automatic?
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Adam Kuhn
Sent: Tuesday,
August 28, 2001 3:40 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: For Sale: 1995 3000GT Caracas Red Base Model
Hello All,
Well,
I have finally decided to do it...due to the recent purchase of my new
2001
Nissan Pathfinder SE, I have decided to sell my 1995 3000GT Caracas Red
Base
Model. I plan to save up my money and purchase a 1994 Dodge Stealth
R/T
Twin Turbo Black on Black when I find it. Basically it comes down
to
this...before I bought my Pathfinder, the 3000GT was the only reliable car
I
had (also had a Minivan) but now that I have the truck, the car just sits
in
my garage under the car cover...basically wasting my money because I
was
planning on selling it when I found the Stealth TT I wanted anyway...so
here
is the info on it (as if you all don't know it
anyway;):
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:13:19
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Bad ISC question....?
Since I have changed the idle a few times
(via the idle screw) then how do I
know if it is normally at 1,500 rpm but I
have turned it down to 750 rpm?
Can someone tell me how many turns from all
the way closed or open the idle
screw is supposed to be? I think I
turned mine all the way shut and then
backed out one or two full turns to get
to 750 rpm. Anyone?
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
You are right to be suspicious
of the ISC, but before you invest in a new
one, check for leaks in the intake
system. A leak to ambient air will
simulate the same symptoms, lack of
power, hunting for idl (real idle speed
with ac off is 750 rpm +/- 50,
default idle speed if the ECU can't get a
stable idle is 1500 rpm)
Check for loose hoses, deteriorated vacuum lines,
and holes in the
intercoolers, which someone else described as a cause of
similar
problems.
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:35:02
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
This is
terrific, but how about sharing the results of your measurements and
the
condition of the car you measured it on (like gas tank full or empty,
driver
in the driver seat, stock suspension setup or lowered, stock or
aftermarket
wheels). I'm guessing in stock condition there isn't a big
difference
from one VR4 to another, with the possible exception of 1st gen 5
speed vs.
2nd generation 6 speed.
I think your number would be a useful reference
value for the rest of us,
just like the number in the service manual for the
horizontal position.
Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: John Monnin [SMTP:jkmonnin@altavista.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August
28, 2001 10:02 PM
> To:
bf@bobforrest.com> Cc:
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Re: Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
>
> Someone asked me for details on how to find vertical center of gravity
for
> a car.
>
> I posted the information on the 3si
board.
>
>
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=fff156a75186f8b5a56fbd5f22af42a4&t>
hreadid=43186
>
> John Monnin
>
jkmonnin@altavista.com> 1991 VR4
with 4-bolt main conversion almost done.
> I got the transmission back in
today!
>
>
> Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista
Shopping!
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:37:46
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
Don't forget about
ECS, Active Exhaust, Power/Manual sunroof (and sunroof
installed or removed
or stored in trunk), spare tire, CD player in or out,
oil level full,
etc.
I know that some things should not affect the vertical center of
gravity
(like wheels that are symmetrical in width and height to stock
wheels).
See, it doesn't matter how heavy a wheel is as long as there are
four of
them the car is in balance but if it is shorter or taller then the
vertical
CG will change.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 with nearly the
highest racing center of gravity possible
(245x40x17 tires, 17" wheels, stock
suspension)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles
E.
This is terrific, but how about sharing the results of your
measurements and
the condition of the car you measured it on (like gas tank
full or empty,
driver in the driver seat, stock suspension setup or lowered,
stock or
aftermarket wheels). I'm guessing in stock condition there
isn't a big
difference from one VR4 to another, with the possible exception
of 1st gen 5
speed vs. 2nd generation 6 speed.
I think your number
would be a useful reference value for the rest of us,
just like the number in
the service manual for the horizontal position.
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:14:15
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
no, heavier
wheels will lower the car's CG if the CG is higher than the
centerline of the
hubs as shown in the figure.
Also a full tank of gas will probably lower
the CG, because the center of
mass of the tank when full is already lower
than the car's CG. As you
empoty the tank the car's CG probably get
higher, because there is less mass
from fuel even though it is acting at a
lower center of mass than the full
tank. I'm thinking the CG
measurement should be done with a full tank, else
you get redistribution of
the fuel in the tank.
Point is, there are big things that affect CG and
small things. A number
based on a real measurement with a real car
would be helpful to the rest of
us who are satisfied with the error involved
in approximations.
Chuck
> I know that some things
should not affect the vertical center of gravity
> (like wheels that are
symmetrical in width and height to stock wheels).
> See, it doesn't matter
how heavy a wheel is as long as there are four of
> them the car is in
balance but if it is shorter or taller then the
> vertical
> CG will
change.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4 with nearly the highest
racing center of gravity possible
> (245x40x17 tires, 17" wheels, stock
suspension)
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:11:10
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
Good point.
I was picturing it as the car sitting level instead of on an
incline as in
the picture and then the CG might have been closer to the
centerline of the
wheel center. It's all good.
- --Flash!
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001
10:14 AM
no, heavier wheels will lower the car's CG if the CG is higher
than the
centerline of the hubs as shown in the figure.
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:48:10
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: VR4 stock front caliper repair kit (seals and dust boots)
Anybody
have a good source besides the dealer for a caliper repair kit for
the VR4
stock front brake calipers (MB857261 Seal Kit)?
My source (O-Reilly's)
just dried up. The smart kid who got the last kit
for me took a job
wioth an accounting firm uptown, and no one else can break
the secret
code. They special ordered a kit that turned out to contain 4
dust
boots for the 1st gen stock single piston rear calipers, four seals for
the
larger diameter pair of front pistons, four boots for the pins on the
1st gen
rear floating caliper, and two rubber bushings of the wrong diameter
for the
same pins. The computer listed the kit as "one per car". Last
time
I bought the seal kit from them, there was stuff to rebuild two
front
calipers in one kit for $25.
I think the price of the kit at the
dealer is about $40 - $50 per caliper.
Chuck
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:42:31
-0700
From: "Darc" <
wce@telus.net>
Subject: Team3S: Clutch
survey
Yo group;
My recent thumb nail survey of RPS users
indicates that their Stage2 and
Stage 3 clutches are holding up well. This
includes both at the drag strip
and on road courses. Only 2 out of 12 people
contacted or who replied, were
unhappy with the product. This may (or may
not) have to do with heavy
modifications to their engines or other unknown
factors. Others, with
similar mods, including arguably the fastest
strip 3S man around, find no
probs with the product. My survey was based on a
need to know if the product
was suffering from the delamination that
occurred with the precursor to the
turbo carbon units now available. No such
problem exists and users are happy
with the exception of
2.
Best
Darc
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:33:47
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brake Rotor Question
You're probably thinking of the flywheel which is
stepped and requires that
both surfaces be ground in order to maintain
the proper distances.
Jim
Berry
==============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Dennis and Anita Moore <
stealth@quixnet.net>
> I seem
to recall earlier discussions about the potential problems of turning
>
the rotors, something about a step or chamfer on the rotor surface that
had
> to be maintained. Am I mis-remembering or is there something
to it?
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:13:14
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
There is one
thing I would caution you and anyone else about when making
this
measurement. There is a "departure angle" which is the angle from
the
bottom of the rear tire to the lower extremity of the rear end of the
car
(exhaust pipe or towing points). Although you get a more
accurate
measurement the higher you lift the front of the car, you can't
raise is so
high that you exceed the departure angle unless the scales at the
rear are
raise above ground level or are on the edge of a dropoff. From
what I've
read, if you can raise the car about 12", you will get a good
determination.
Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: John Monnin [SMTP:jkmonnin@altavista.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August
29, 2001 9:58 AM
> To:
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: trivia question of the day - vertical CG stock
>
> Unfortunately I have not done this on a 3000gt Yet, Since there
is
> interest I might borrow the scales from work and give it a try, after
I
> finish rebuilding my car.
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:00:30
-0700
From: Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: spark plug cover plates
I will have about 210 of these ready at
the end of the three day.
Stealth
3000gt
vr4
price is still 45.00
shipped to your door with bolts. (48 states) I have
made improvements that
would interest others to upgrade. The rear of the
plate is cut-out to clear
the plug wires.....this is good because:
1) it's lighter and thinner
2)
clears 8.5's without a problem
3) won't retain heat as long
4) bolts are
shorter so not to bottom out in the valve cover
if you want your plate
you already have cut out on the back I can do that
too.
Here is the
deal.........you send me your plate after email confirmation
with me to
schedule this. Stick $10.00 in the box (check is ok) for
shipping and
machining.
I will have some team3s plates as soon as I get one to bob
forrest (next
week) for our board as well.
As soon as my site gets
transferred check out eK2mfg.com (tomorrow) for
other stuff.
Email me
at
ek2mfg@foxinternet.com for orders
or info.
Bob K.
93 R/T
FIPK KV85's
Bradi cross drilled
rotors
ADR Enigma 17 w/245-45's
Way too much to keep listing
now..........
Anyone know about a header set-up for a
non-turbo?
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:19:26
-0700
From: Daniel Jett <
djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Clutch survey
Darc,
That's still 16.6% of customers
who are unsatisfied with the product. Almost 1 in 5. Can you imagine if Intel or
IBM, or even McDonalds (okay, that one might not be too unbelievable!) had that
type of quality feedback?
I thought of getting an RPS stage 3, but with
all the mess flying around a few months back, I decided the odds were just not
in my favor for getting a good clutch from RPS.
I have had a number of
Centerforce clutches, and have had good luck with all, or at least just a
quality product that is capable of handling my basic
mods.
Regards,
Dan Jett
94 Stealth RT/TT
San Jose,
Ca
>>> "Darc" <
wce@telus.net> - 8/29/01 7:42 AM
>>>
Yo group;
My recent thumb nail survey of RPS users
indicates that their Stage2 and
Stage 3 clutches are holding up well. This
includes both at the drag strip
and on road courses. Only 2 out of 12 people
contacted or who replied, were
unhappy with the product. This may (or may
not) have to do with heavy
modifications to their engines or other unknown
factors. Others, with
similar mods, including arguably the fastest
strip 3S man around, find no
probs with the product. My survey was based on a
need to know if the product
was suffering from the delamination that
occurred with the precursor to the
turbo carbon units now available. No such
problem exists and users are happy
with the exception of
2.
Best
Darc
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:48:04
-0400
From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Clutch survey
Darc -
Sorry I missed the survey, I have a
Stage II and am very happy with it. I had
one of the bad ones back last
year, they replaced all of it under warranty and I
am pleased now.
Ken
Stanton
'91 Pearl White R/T TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
Darc
wrote:
> Yo group;
>
> My recent thumb nail survey of RPS
users indicates that their Stage2 and
> Stage 3 clutches are holding up
well. This includes both at the drag strip
> and on road courses. Only 2
out of 12 people contacted or who replied, were
> unhappy with the
product. This may (or may not) have to do with heavy
> modifications to
their engines or other unknown factors. Others, with
> similar mods,
including arguably the fastest strip 3S man around, find no
> probs
with the product. My survey was based on a need to know if the product
>
was suffering from the delamination that occurred with the precursor to
the
> turbo carbon units now available. No such problem exists and users
are happy
> with the exception of 2.
>
> Best
>
>
Darc
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:28:02
-0400
From: "Jason Barnhart" <
phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Clutch survey
In my opinion, the Centerforce Dual Friction clutch
is a joke for our cars.
It's way too expensive, it has a full face disk with
no option for a 6 puck,
and you can't simply buy a new friction disk when
yours starts slipping a
few thousand miles down the road. Be prepared
to buy a whole new clutch
assembly. I think a satisfaction survey on
Centerforce clutches would be
way worse, most DSM guys hate them
too.
Jason
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Jett"
<
djett@corp.ultratech.com>
To:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
<
wce@telus.net>
Sent: Wednesday,
August 29, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch survey
>
Darc,
>
> That's still 16.6% of customers who are unsatisfied with
the product.
Almost 1 in 5. Can you imagine if Intel or IBM, or even
McDonalds (okay,
that one might not be too unbelievable!) had that type of
quality feedback?
>
> I thought of getting an RPS stage 3, but with
all the mess flying around a
few months back, I decided the odds were just
not in my favor for getting a
good clutch from RPS.
>
> I have
had a number of Centerforce clutches, and have had good luck with
all, or at
least just a quality product that is capable of handling my
basic
mods.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Jett
> 94
Stealth RT/TT
> San Jose, Ca
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:42:04
-0700 (PDT)
From: AmkreadGTO <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: spark plug cover plates (GTO)
Thanks,
Robert.
Team3S,
Would anyone else be interested in a "GTO"
cover
instead of the "Stealth", "3000GT", "VR4"?? Please
email
Robert about it.. I want one! =)
Hope to get 4 more
interested..
/George
- --- Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
wrote:
> Do you really think GTO would be in high demand? I
> can
surely draw one up
> and cut it.
> I will have pictures of
everything on my site but
> you can look at one on a
> car
at
>
>
http://members.home.com/anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm>
>
> these are by far the best plates I've
>
seen............If you want to set up
> a group buy for GTO then we can
talk about that too.
> Say 5 plates ordered
> and I'll draw
it up and cut it. Same price as listed
> before but I need at
>
least 5 to keep the price the same.
>
>
> From: AmkreadGTO
[SMTP:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:16
AM
> To: Robert Koch
> Subject: Re: Team3S: spark plug cover
plates
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Can you make "GTO" plates as
well? I think many
> would
> be interested too.. and do u have pix
online to show
> ur work?
>
> /George
> --- Robert Koch
<
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
wrote:
> > I will have about 210 of these ready at the end of
>
> the three day.
> > Stealth
> > 3000gt
> >
vr4
> > price is still 45.00 shipped to your door with
> >
bolts. (48 states) I have
> > made improvements that would interest
others to
> > upgrade. The rear of the
> > plate is cut-out to
clear the plug wires.....this
> is
> > good because:
> >
1) it's lighter and thinner
> > 2) clears 8.5's without a
problem
> > 3) won't retain heat as long
> > 4) bolts are
shorter so not to bottom out in the
> > valve cover
>
>
> > if you want your plate you already have cut out on
>
> the back I can do that
> > too.
> > Here is the
deal.........you send me your plate
> > after email
confirmation
> > with me to schedule this. Stick $10.00 in the
box
> > (check is ok) for
> > shipping and machining.
>
>
> > I will have some team3s plates as soon as I get
>
one
> > to bob forrest (next
> > week) for our board as
well.
> >
> > As soon as my site gets transferred check
out
> > eK2mfg.com (tomorrow) for
> > other stuff.
>
>
> > Email me at
ek2mfg@foxinternet.com for orders
or
> > info.
> >
> > Bob K.
> > 93
R/T
> > FIPK KV85's
> > Bradi cross drilled rotors
>
> ADR Enigma 17 w/245-45's
> > Way too much to keep listing
now..........
> >
> > Anyone know about a header set-up for a
non-turbo?
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:55:25
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: VR4 stock front caliper repair kit (seals and dust
boots)
found a web site "AllOEM parts" that you can do searches on by
Mitsubishi
part number - then the order gets filled by a Mitsubishi dealer in
Sherman,
Texas. They listed three different cross index numbers for the
kit, and a
list price of $31.98 with an extended price of $27.82.
http://www.oem-car-parts.com/?mitsubishi-accessories.com1Anybody
have a better site, maybe for aftermarket parts?
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E.
> Sent: Wednesday, August
29, 2001 9:48 AM
> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: VR4 stock front caliper repair kit (seals and dust boots)
>
> Anybody have a good source besides the dealer for a caliper repair kit
for
> the VR4 stock front brake calipers (MB857261 Seal Kit)?
>
> My source (O-Reilly's) just dried up. The smart kid who got the
last kit
> for me took a job wioth an accounting firm uptown, and no one
else can
> break the secret code. They special ordered a kit that
turned out to
> contain 4 dust boots for the 1st gen stock single piston
rear calipers,
> four seals for the larger diameter pair of front pistons,
four boots for
> the pins on the 1st gen rear floating caliper, and two
rubber bushings of
> the wrong diameter for the same pins. The
computer listed the kit as "one
> per car". Last time I bought the
seal kit from them, there was stuff to
> rebuild two front calipers in one
kit for $25.
>
> I think the price of the kit at the dealer is
about $40 - $50 per caliper.
>
> Chuck
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:56:17
-0700
From: Daniel Jett <
djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Clutch survey
Jason,
Ever had one?
I have never
had a problem with the Centerforce, used them in my DSM days as well.
Furthermore, you CAN buy a disk without the pressure plate, as I have done this
in the past. Please post facts when you make such a statement. Nothing personal!
; )
What would the benefit be by having a puck style disk over a full
face disk? Many clutches are full face, including the stock clutch, which by
most accounts is more than ample for light tuning and modifications.
Longevity wise, I have had no problem with the service life of
Centerforce clutches either. All of my clutches have lasted in excess of 40k
miles, and that's with some pretty hard launches along the way.
As far as
cost is concerned, I get two Centerforces for the price of one stock clutch,
when you take into account that I can use my pressure plate twice. Last time I
checked, the cost from Capitol Mitsubishi, (local dealership, wouldn't endorse
them for a million bucks!) for a stock clutch replacement was in excess of $900.
I can definitely get a better deal with the Centerforce clutch than even
stock!
I am not trying to sell these clutches, only offering my
experiences for the benefit of the list.
Regards,
Dan
J
>>> "Jason Barnhart" <
phnxgld@erols.com> - 8/29/01 10:28 AM
>>>
In my opinion, the Centerforce Dual Friction clutch is a joke
for our cars.
It's way too expensive, it has a full face disk with no option
for a 6 puck,
and you can't simply buy a new friction disk when yours starts
slipping a
few thousand miles down the road. Be prepared to buy a whole
new clutch
assembly. I think a satisfaction survey on Centerforce
clutches would be
way worse, most DSM guys hate them too.
Jason
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Jett" <
djett@corp.ultratech.com>
To:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
<
wce@telus.net>
Sent: Wednesday,
August 29, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch survey
>
Darc,
>
> That's still 16.6% of customers who are unsatisfied with
the product.
Almost 1 in 5. Can you imagine if Intel or IBM, or even
McDonalds (okay,
that one might not be too unbelievable!) had that type of
quality feedback?
>
> I thought of getting an RPS stage 3, but with
all the mess flying around a
few months back, I decided the odds were just
not in my favor for getting a
good clutch from RPS.
>
> I have
had a number of Centerforce clutches, and have had good luck with
all, or at
least just a quality product that is capable of handling my
basic
mods.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Jett
> 94
Stealth RT/TT
> San Jose, Ca
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:02:10
-0700
From: Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: spark plug cover plates (GTO)
If any one wants a plate that
deviates from the big three I have....get 5
or more to order and I'll go for
the same price......got a small club and
want a plate for it?......what
about a "twin turbo" for those stealth's
that are cooler than me? I can even
put your girlfriend's name on it but
you'll need 4 ex-boyfriends to buy the
other plates.
- -----Original Message-----
From: AmkreadGTO
[SMTP:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:42 AM
To:
Robert Koch
Cc: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: spark plug cover plates
(GTO)
Thanks, Robert.
Team3S,
Would anyone else be
interested in a "GTO" cover
instead of the "Stealth", "3000GT", "VR4"??
Please
email Robert about it.. I want one! =)
Hope to get 4 more
interested..
/George
- --- Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
wrote:
> Do you really think GTO would be in high demand? I
> can
surely draw one up
> and cut it.
> I will have pictures of
everything on my site but
> you can look at one on a
> car
at
>
>
http://members.home.com/anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm>
>
these are by far the best plates I've
> seen............If you want to set
up
> a group buy for GTO then we can talk about that too.
>
Say 5 plates ordered
> and I'll draw it up and cut it. Same price as
listed
> before but I need at
> least 5 to keep the price the
same.
>
> From: AmkreadGTO [SMTP:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
> Sent:
Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:16 AM
> To: Robert Koch
> Subject: Re:
Team3S: spark plug cover plates
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Can
you make "GTO" plates as well? I think many
> would
> be interested
too.. and do u have pix online to show
> ur work?
>
>
/George
> --- Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
wrote:
> > I will have about 210 of these ready at the end of
>
> the three day.
> > Stealth
> > 3000gt
> >
vr4
> > price is still 45.00 shipped to your door with
> >
bolts. (48 states) I have
> > made improvements that would interest
others to
> > upgrade. The rear of the
> > plate is cut-out to
clear the plug wires.....this
> is
> > good because:
> >
1) it's lighter and thinner
> > 2) clears 8.5's without a
problem
> > 3) won't retain heat as long
> > 4) bolts are
shorter so not to bottom out in the
> > valve cover
>
>
> > if you want your plate you already have cut out on
>
> the back I can do that
> > too.
> > Here is the
deal.........you send me your plate
> > after email
confirmation
> > with me to schedule this. Stick $10.00 in the
box
> > (check is ok) for
> > shipping and machining.
>
>
> > I will have some team3s plates as soon as I get
>
one
> > to bob forrest (next
> > week) for our board as
well.
> >
> > As soon as my site gets transferred check
out
> > eK2mfg.com (tomorrow) for
> > other stuff.
>
>
> > Email me at
ek2mfg@foxinternet.com for orders
or
> > info.
> >
> > Bob K.
> > 93
R/T
> > FIPK KV85's
> > Bradi cross drilled rotors
>
> ADR Enigma 17 w/245-45's
> > Way too much to keep listing
now..........
> >
> > Anyone know about a header set-up for a
non-turbo?
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:58:33
-0400
From:
JCourcelle@NerveWire.comSubject:
Team3S: Turbo in an R/T
Greetings.
I have a 1991 Stealth R/T. I
was wondering if any of you have had any
experience with installing turbos on
this model. Also, if it is possible,
what are some of the risks/drawbacks
associated with such a modification
(such as problems with the front assembly
dealing with the added torque). I
am in the process of restoring the car and
I am looking to increase the HP.
Jeff Courcelle
91 Stealth
R/T
Boston, MA
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:12:49
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: VR4 stock front caliper repair kit (seals and dust
boots)
Okay, okay, answered my own question
-
CARPARTS.COM
Beck Arnley #071-7888 $23.92
Bendix #66146
$32.89
RAYBESTOS #WK2114 = $30.84, but
RAYBESTOS #WK2116 =
$18.05
> They listed three different cross index numbers for the kit,
and a list
> price of $31.98 with an extended price of $27.82.
>
> Anybody have a better site, maybe for aftermarket
parts?
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:42:22
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Clutch survey
The Centerforce DF clutch has served me well
with my mild level of
mods and is used by a fellow VR4 owner with extensive
mods for three
years of operation including many hard launches at the local
strip
(times in mid to upper 12s here at 5800' ASL). I'm not selling
this
clutch (in fact I'll use something else when I need to replace
it)
just saying that calling it a "joke" is not fair at all.
As far
as the matter of 6-pucks being better than full-face consider
this. The
amount of force "transferred" between surfaces depends on
the surface area
times the coefficient of friction - just like brake
pads and rotors. More
surface, then more force. Higher coef. of
friction, then more force. Reduce
the surface area - pucks vs.
full-face - then the coef. of friction and/or
pressure plate force
must increase to offset this (any coincidence the RPS PP
has higher
force than the stock?). Not that this is bad or good, just
a
different way of achieving the same goal. I would guess that RPS
wanted
to use a certain material for whatever reason (perhaps
superior friction
qualities over a broad temperature range) and its
high coef. of friction
required the surface area to be reduced to
make the clutch "grab" at a
certain level.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Jason Barnhart" <
phnxgld@erols.com>
To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch
survey
In my opinion, the Centerforce Dual Friction clutch is a joke for
our
cars. It's way too expensive, it has a full face disk with no
option
for a 6 puck, and you can't simply buy a new friction disk when
yours
starts slipping a few thousand miles down the road. Be prepared
to
buy a whole new clutch assembly. I think a satisfaction survey
on
Centerforce clutches would be way worse, most DSM guys hate them
too.
Jason
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:18:21
-0400
From: Curtis McConnel <
CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Modifications
I am looking into purchasing: Gt Pro 357 mag.
turbos, ARC II Fuel
controller, RC 550cc injectors, Denso Fuel Pump, HKS EVC
IV, Alcohol
injection and RPS Stage III Clutch. My question is I've been
getting package
price quotes from $5200-$6000. Does any one know of other
dealer maybe
offering better pricing? If I can afford everything at once it
would
probably be the Alcohol I'd leave out. Can I run 18psi without it? Also
is
there anyone in Colorado that maybe able to help with installation?
Sorry
about the long post just trying to get some good advise.
1995
Vr-4 Spyder
Curtis
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