Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Monday, August 27 2001    Volume 01 : Number 590




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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:59:16 -0700
From: "Watkins, Jim" <jim.watkins@terayon.com>
Subject: Team3S: Spyder Radio System

 
Recently the amplifier in my Spyder has developed a bad left front channel.
A search in the CAPS program for the amplifier shows PNC 85301 but there is
no information on the proper part number for the amplifier.  I believe these
amplifiers are modified from the standard VR4 configuration for better bass
response.  Does anyone have the correct part number to order?

Jim
95 Spyder VR4

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:15:24 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Spyder Radio System

> Recently the amplifier in my Spyder has developed a bad left
> front channel.  A search in the CAPS program for the amplifier
> shows PNC 85301 but there is no information on the proper part
> number for the amplifier.  I believe these amplifiers are
> modified from the standard VR4 configuration for better bass
> response.  Does anyone have the correct part number to order?

I don't have the part number for you - my CAPS shows the same information -
no data for a part number.  I think you are correct that they tweaked the
amp some for Spyder duty to make up for the lack of bass when the top is
down.  You could probably use a regular 3/S amp and just pump more bass with
the EQ on the headunit to make up for it.

Sorry I don't have any more info than that...  Your dealer might be able to
ask the right people the right questions and get a part number.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:16:46 -0500
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Downpipes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gross, Erik <erik.gross@intel.com>
To: Team3S List (E-mail) <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Downpipes

>So with all these posts about downpipes...
>
>Is it imperative that you have equal backpressure on both banks' exhaust?
>For example if you used a downpipe that removes the front and main cat and
>you *don't* gut your rear pre-cat...  It makes sense that for optimal
power,
>you'd want the backpressures to be as close as possible.  I'm wondering if
>you had significantly more restriction on one bank, would it cause problems
>(I don't know - vibrations, engine rocking, etc)?  OTOH, the stock downpipe
>presents significantly more resistance to smooth airflow by the 90 degree
>bend as the banks' exhaust merge.   Anyone have a definitive answer?
>
>--Erik
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Strange you should ask since it so happens I recently had this setup by
accident.

In short:  I personally gutted both precats serveral (4 or 5?) years ago.
A month ago I was down at my tuner's shop and we had to pull the
downpipe for an unrelated job we were doing.

Lo and behold I had "grown" a rear precat!

Apparently I had ended up with someone elses precat during my last rebuild.
(only the rear)
I have been running about a year (2 or 3K miles) with one rear precat and no
other cats.

There are spare 3000/Stealth parts running all over the shop and it was a
simple mistake.

I never had any idea nor experienced any noticable problems.
In other words I had no clue one rear precat was still there.

The car felt a little better after we once again gutted my new found rear
cat but that may have just been me knowing we had just done it.

I'm sure it help power-wise but it usually takes a bit more of an increase
before
I *really* notice a good seat of the pants difference.

I would have to believe it would be ideal to have equalized flow on each
bank but I can
say that I couldn't tell the difference in my case of less than ideal
balance.

- - tds

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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:54:34 +1200
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Spyder Radio System

Subject: RE: Team3S: Spyder Radio System

Why dont you just get it repaired?

Steve

Recently the amplifier in my Spyder has developed a bad left
front channel.  A search in the CAPS program for the amplifier
shows PNC 85301 but there is no information on the proper part
number for the amplifier.  I believe these amplifiers are
modified from the standard VR4 configuration for better bass
response.  Does anyone have the correct part number to order?

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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:06:26 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Downpipes

> Is it imperative that you have equal backpressure on both banks' exhaust?

Backpressure against what ?? Usually, backpressure against the exhaust ports
of the heads is good in the low rpm area and results in more torque. But the
turbo is already a restriction (a big one !) and therefore the whole stuff
must be looked at a different angle.

A turbine turns due to the pressure difference between before and after the
turbine wheel. The more restrictive the exhaust after the turbine wheel the
less the pressure difference that keeps the wheel turned. In this case, the
pressure before the turbo must be higher to achieve the same difference what
finally results in higher EGTs and unwanted backpressure what results in
lean spots in the cylinder.

Not gutting the rear-precat against an empty front pre-cat therefore may
result in a less pressure-differential compared to the front one. This may
result in different turbo load and therefore the rear turbo doesn't work as
good as the front one.

This is the theory ... and in practical ? Nobody really knows ! EGT
differences from front to rear may be signs but this is difficult to
interpret due to the design and the heat problems of the rear bank.
Therefore, only pressure sensors infront and after the turbos could tell but
nobody has them installed.

Under the line, I'd say no problem if one pre-cat is not gutted. But the
higher the boost is turned up the more it starts to count and the more the
difference between front and rear will be. In the 1 bar region, there seems
not to be a problem at all.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:07:20 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS

If anyone ever has a problem with german just drop me an email ... German is
my first language.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

> Ack.  Was supposed to be "verstande" as in "to understand" and the
> smellchecker didn't care how is was smelled.  Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:29:28 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Spyder Radio System

Have you checked the connections in the rear of the head unit?  I think this
is a FAQ symptom.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Watkins, Jim [SMTP:jim.watkins@terayon.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 3:59 PM
> To: 'Team3S List (E-mail) '
> Subject: Team3S: Spyder Radio System
>

> Recently the amplifier in my Spyder has developed a bad left front
> channel.
> A search in the CAPS program for the amplifier shows PNC 85301 but there
> is
> no information on the proper part number for the amplifier.  I believe
> these
> amplifiers are modified from the standard VR4 configuration for better
> bass
> response.  Does anyone have the correct part number to order?
>
> Jim
> 95 Spyder VR4

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