Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Saturday, August 25 2001   Volume 01 : Number 589




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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:15:11 +0300
From: "Oleg Reznik" <oleg@3000gt.lv>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Transfer Case Confusion

  In Europe all trannies are 5-speed from 92.06 till 94.06. There are both
variants from 94.06 till 96.05

Regards,

Oleg Reznik
www.3000gt.lv

> How are there 5-speed VR-4 trannies in Europe?  I know they ONLY imported
> the VR-4 (from what I have heard) but aren't all VR-4s after, what is it,
> 1993 the 6-speed variety?
>
> And Chuck you will notice that 94.06 is actually 06/1994 in America.
>
> --Flash!
> dschilberg@pobox.com
> www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]  On Behalf
> Of Oleg Reznik
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:33 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Transfer Case Confusion
>
> In USA CAPS programm I see 3 numbers of transfer case:
> 1. 1990-91.11.1 MB811033(MR165234) The same transfer, old and new numbers.
> 2. 91.11.2-93.05.3 MB936389
> 3. 93.06.1 - 2000  MB896326
>
> In Europe CAPS:
> For all 5-speed MB936389
> For all 6 speed MB896326
>
> Japan CAPS will be in my hand after 1 week, I'll see what they have.
>
> Interesting thing - there are 5-speed VR4 in Europe from 94.06 till
> 96.05!!!!! The CAPS show 5 and 6 speed cars at the same period till may
> 1996.
>
> Regards,
>
> Oleg Reznik
> www.3000gt.lv

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:19:08 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: CAM upgrade

> Stock springs are ok with the regrind?
> Does anyone have any measured test performance figures?
>
> I looked for a few months several years ago and gave up on
> CAM upgrades, could not find anything.

Dynamic Racing offers a cam regrind for $800, but there are no specs on
their website for them.  $849 additional for adjustable cam gears.

Prices are a little insane, but at least someone stuck their neck out and is
selling product.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:57:58 -0700
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise

Sankar,
This sounds like a classic case of compressor surge. It happens when you
either don't have a BOV, or the one you have is not working properly.

Wayne


At 09:06 AM 8/24/01 , Yoss wrote:
>Folks:
>
>         Lately, I've been hearing a short burst of high-pitch whistle noise
>         whenever I get out of sustained boost.  I would appreciate any
> help in
>         diagnosing the problem.
>
>Thanks
>-sankar

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Date: 24 Aug 2001 10:08:50 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: Downpipes and double posting

I appologize if I am still double posting emails.  I am trying something to stop this but if this gets double posted again I won't post until the issue is resolved.

Now for technical issues:

Extreme Motorsports also makes a performance down pipe but you have to use a shorter main cat or a test pipe. this sounds identicle to ATR   It Runs $350
 
http://www.extrememotorsports.com/gscat/down.htm
 
DN Performance also has a polished stainless downpipe for $269.  It doesn't have a flex section. You might want to call and check pipe diameter
becasue it is not listed on web page. 
 
http://66.24.81.222/exhaust.html
 
DN also has pre-cat eliminators but I think you would have to be crazy and/or rich to buy them for $499 when it is so easy to gut your pre-cats yourself.

As for Bob Meltons down pipe.
I am expecting some performance gain.
 
The connections to each pre-cat is 2 1/2" dia verses 2" dia stock.
The main pipe is 3" instead of 2 1/4" stock.
The flex section is 3" same as stock (I think)
 
The 2 1/2" pipe into the elbow of a 3" pipe looks a little odd to me but it does
look like it will flow better than stock.
 
The older one I have actually looks alot like a ATR except it is aluminized. 

John Monnin
Portion of Original message below

> Thanks John.
> Looks perfect if I wanted to replace the stock downpipe.
> But I am looking for performance, so I like the Stillen.
> Rich

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:33:51 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise

For other dumb Americans, a "compressor" is European terminology for a
"turbocharger".

YOU GUYS ARE TORTURING ME TODAY!

Chuck

P.S.

I bet you have the infamous "honking goose" or "owl hoot".  Do you, by
chance, have an FIPK or K&N filter?

I have a wav file that you can listen to to see if this is the noise.

www.speedtoys.com/~cewillis/goose2.wav

the fix is found here - a DSM BOV with adapter

http://www.buschurracing.com/buschur/BRwebsite.nsf/Catalog?OpenFrameSet
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne [SMTP:whietala@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:58 AM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise
>
> Sankar,
> This sounds like a classic case of compressor surge. It happens when you
> either don't have a BOV, or the one you have is not working properly.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> At 09:06 AM 8/24/01 , Yoss wrote:
> >Folks:
> >
> >         Lately, I've been hearing a short burst of high-pitch whistle
> noise
> >         whenever I get out of sustained boost.  I would appreciate any
> > help in
> >         diagnosing the problem.
> >
> >Thanks
> >-sankar

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:29:57 -0400
From: "lisa buccela" <buccela_lisa@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Teams 3s RE: Car lost Acceleration

The car had just over 105000 kilometers (kms) on it when the timing belt
went.

Lisa

>so back to the original question - Lisa, what was the mileage, er,
>kilometerage on your car at this unfortunate event?
>
>eh? (specific Canadian content)
>
>Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darc [SMTP:wce@telus.net]
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:46 AM
> > To: Willis, Charles E.; 'lisa buccela'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> > Subject: Re: Team3S: Teams 3s RE: Car lost Acceleration
> >
> > Hi Chuck;
> >
> > Living in Canada, I recognized the 100,000kms Lisa spoke of, as reading
> > kilometers, not miles. That translates into 60,000 miles which is the
> > service increment required. There is sometimes some confusion when K's
>are
> > used with miles (i.e. 60 k as opposed to 60 kms means 60,000 miles  as
> > opposed to 60 kilometers) . We switched to metric up here years ago, but
> > as
> > a mouse  living next to an elephant, we have continued to use both
>systems
> > out of necessity. Our Canadian 3S cars have both kilometers and miles on
> > the
> > speedometers, but interestingly enough, have F instead of C on the
>climate
> > controls. Call us hybrids ;-))
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Darc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
> > To: "'lisa buccela'" <buccela_lisa@hotmail.com>;
> > <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:37 AM
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: Teams 3s RE: Car lost Acceleration
> >
> >
> > > Sorry to hear about your problem, Lisa.  I think the majority of the
> > readers
> > > already know that the timing belt should be replaced at the 60K mile
> > mark,
> > > well before 100K, and again at 120K.  Your unhappy experience should
> > drive
> > > that message home.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: lisa buccela [SMTP:buccela_lisa@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:41 AM
> > > > To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> > > > Subject: Team3S: Teams 3s RE: Car lost Acceleration
> > > >
> > > > Hi Team 3s, I wrote last week complaining of a Stealth R/T
>(non-turbo)
> > > > that
> > > > lost acceleration and then would not re-start.  It turned out to be
> > the
> > > > timing belt, which caused damage to the valves, which means the
> > Stealth
> > is
> > > >
> > > > still at the shop and it is going to cost a lot of money to fix.
> > > >
> > > > So to all the Stealth and 3000 GT enthusiasts, please make sure to
> > change
> > > > your timing belt before 100000 km, otherwise it is going to cost you
>a
> > > > bundle of money to fix all the other problems that occur if it snaps
> > while
> > > >
> > > > driving.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the advice, Team 3s
> > > >
> > > > Lisa

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:45:07 -0700
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise

I hate to get technical, but a turbocharger consists of a compressor
(housing and impeller), cartridge (bearings/shaft/housing/etc), and turbine
(housing/wheel/wastegate valve)

Just keeping you honest, Chuck
Wayne

At 10:33 AM 8/24/01 , Willis, Charles E. wrote:
>For other dumb Americans, a "compressor" is European terminology for a
>"turbocharger".
>
>YOU GUYS ARE TORTURING ME TODAY!
>
>Chuck

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:42:09 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise

Chuck ......... honest............... ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne [mailto:whietala@prodigy.net]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:45 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise


I hate to get technical, but a turbocharger consists of a compressor
(housing and impeller), cartridge (bearings/shaft/housing/etc), and turbine
(housing/wheel/wastegate valve)

Just keeping you honest, Chuck
Wayne


At 10:33 AM 8/24/01 , Willis, Charles E. wrote:
>For other dumb Americans, a "compressor" is European terminology for a
>"turbocharger".
>
>YOU GUYS ARE TORTURING ME TODAY!
>
>Chuck

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:46:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS

What language do you suppose the Japan CAPS will be in? The Euro
CAPS? What is the official language of the Euro Union anyway?

Has anyone figured out a way to make CAPS interactive online?

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- --- Oleg Reznik <oleg@3000gt.lv> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> The Japan CAPS include 5 cd, the European 1-2cd (different
> versions). I
> can't post it in the net by myself, but I can make a copies and
> send it to
> US.
>
> Regards,
> Oleg Reznik
> www.3000gt.lv

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:50:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?

I have re-installed the GC kit (this like the 6th time!). The ride is
much improved. Before (bump stops on top of springs, wrong), I had to
switch to Sport ECS mode as soon as leaving my house. Now (bump stops
inside of springs, correct) I made it all the way to work and never
felt compelled to switch from Tour ECS mode. The ride is a little
more bouncy than stock, but not embarrassingly so. Overall I would
rate the GC kit a 7 out of 10. I can imagine better. However, I don't
think I want to spend another $1500-2000 for the Teins. Sorry for my
rather harsh criticism of the GC kit before. Maybe if they had been a
little more explicit in their instructions or I had been a little
smarter ....

[500 lb/in front; 250 lb/in rear]

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?

I have the GC kit installed wrong and that is why the ride is so bad
for me.

A fellow Team3S member (thanks Tom) informed me I installed the GC
kit incorrectly. I just called GC and confirmed this. I have the bump
stops on top of the spring top hats. They go inside the springs! I
will correct this soon and let the list know the difference in ride.
Sorry guys.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:51:47 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS

Not so sure the language will be real necessary.  Numbers are the same the
world over except for Romans.  All you need is the picture of the part and
the part numbers, right?  Sometimes you need the name but at that point you
can ask the list for a translation rather than doing the whole program.

- --Flash!
Ich vestande Deutsch nur wenn ich spreche.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Jeff Lucius
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 1:46 PM
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS


What language do you suppose the Japan CAPS will be in? The Euro
CAPS? What is the official language of the Euro Union anyway?

Has anyone figured out a way to make CAPS interactive online?


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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:43:03 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise

Keeping me honest is a full time job for you and the rest of the list!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne [SMTP:whietala@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:45 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: High-pitch whistle noise
>
> I hate to get technical, but a turbocharger consists of a compressor
> (housing and impeller), cartridge (bearings/shaft/housing/etc), and
> turbine
> (housing/wheel/wastegate valve)
>
> Just keeping you honest, Chuck
> Wayne
>
>
> At 10:33 AM 8/24/01 , Willis, Charles E. wrote:
> >For other dumb Americans, a "compressor" is European terminology for a
> >"turbocharger".
> >
> >YOU GUYS ARE TORTURING ME TODAY!
> >
> >Chuck

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:46:18 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?

I agree with Jeff.  We had the same comments when we first installed the GC
kit - the instructions need to be more explicit (and I don't mean like that
track babe on Jeff's Website).  A diagram showing the completed assemblies
would have gone a long way to accomplishing this,as would use of
nomenclature for components that was identical to that used in the Service
Manual.

70% is still passing!

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Lucius [SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:51 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?
>
> I have re-installed the GC kit (this like the 6th time!). The ride is
> much improved. Before (bump stops on top of springs, wrong), I had to
> switch to Sport ECS mode as soon as leaving my house. Now (bump stops
> inside of springs, correct) I made it all the way to work and never
> felt compelled to switch from Tour ECS mode. The ride is a little
> more bouncy than stock, but not embarrassingly so. Overall I would
> rate the GC kit a 7 out of 10. I can imagine better. However, I don't
> think I want to spend another $1500-2000 for the Teins. Sorry for my
> rather harsh criticism of the GC kit before. Maybe if they had been a
> little more explicit in their instructions or I had been a little
> smarter ....
>
> [500 lb/in front; 250 lb/in rear]
>
> Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
> To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?
>
> I have the GC kit installed wrong and that is why the ride is so bad
> for me.
>
> A fellow Team3S member (thanks Tom) informed me I installed the GC
> kit incorrectly. I just called GC and confirmed this. I have the bump
> stops on top of the spring top hats. They go inside the springs! I
> will correct this soon and let the list know the difference in ride.
> Sorry guys.
>
> Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:47:44 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS

verstehe oder vestande?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:52 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS
>
> Not so sure the language will be real necessary.  Numbers are the same the
> world over except for Romans.  All you need is the picture of the part and
> the part numbers, right?  Sometimes you need the name but at that point
> you
> can ask the list for a translation rather than doing the whole program.
>
> --Flash!
> Ich vestande Deutsch nur wenn ich spreche.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of Jeff Lucius
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 1:46 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS
>
>
> What language do you suppose the Japan CAPS will be in? The Euro
> CAPS? What is the official language of the Euro Union anyway?
>
> Has anyone figured out a way to make CAPS interactive online?

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:52:43 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS

Ack.  Was supposed to be "verstande" as in "to understand" and the
smellchecker didn't care how is was smelled.  Thanks.

Of course, on Jeff L's site he has had it translated into other languages so
either someone can volunteer or we can have pages translated or something
like that.  Thanks.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:48 PM
To: 'dschilberg@pobox.com'; Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS

verstehe oder vestande?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
>
> --Flash!
> Ich vestande Deutsch nur wenn ich spreche.

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:18:37 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Downpipes

So with all these posts about downpipes...

Is it imperative that you have equal backpressure on both banks' exhaust?
For example if you used a downpipe that removes the front and main cat and
you *don't* gut your rear pre-cat...  It makes sense that for optimal power,
you'd want the backpressures to be as close as possible.  I'm wondering if
you had significantly more restriction on one bank, would it cause problems
(I don't know - vibrations, engine rocking, etc)?  OTOH, the stock downpipe
presents significantly more resistance to smooth airflow by the 90 degree
bend as the banks' exhaust merge.   Anyone have a definitive answer?

- --Erik

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:28:34 +0300
From: "Oleg Reznik" <Oleg@3000gt.lv>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Euro CAPS and JDM CAPS

Hello Jeff,

Both CAPS are in english, it looks the same as USA CAPS.

Oleg

> What language do you suppose the Japan CAPS will be in? The Euro
> CAPS? What is the official language of the Euro Union anyway?
>
> Has anyone figured out a way to make CAPS interactive online?
>
> Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com
>
> --- Oleg Reznik <oleg@3000gt.lv> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > The Japan CAPS include 5 cd, the European 1-2cd (different
> > versions). I
> > can't post it in the net by myself, but I can make a copies and
> > send it to
> > US.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Oleg Reznik
> > www.3000gt.lv

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:32:43 -0500
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:  New road course

Roadcourse meet--sounds great to me!
I plan to have one or 2 cars running next year (of course I _PLAN_ alot of
things ;)  so hope to get to alot of racing...roadcourse and a few drags.
Once again, I am really happy about of ALL the MANY 3000GT/Stealth people
and cars coming out for roadcourse racing/battles/keeping the Nonbelievers
honest!

Kirk:  "Now, if I only had some phasers..."
Scotty:  "You've got 'em!  I've got one bank recharged!"

Jack T.
Der SchnellBrokenShitMeister

From: "Merritt" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net
> There is a new MidAmerica Motorplex road course being built just south of
> Omaha.
> We should plan 3000GT/Stealth racer's gathering 2002,
> within easier reach Chicago, Milwaukee (SJ
> and Jack T) and Minneapolis (Oskar and Curt), plus Colorado
> (Jim), Omaha (Mike), and Cedar Rapids (Cathy, my daughter, and me).
> Chuck in Houston gives him excuse to visit his
> son, Mike in Omaha. Flash from Pittsburgh,
> same distance as Topeka.
>  Maybe we can expand Fabulous Heartland Park Five to Tremendous Ten
> Can you imagine TEN of us out there, harassing the M3s, 911s and NSXes?
Whoa!

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