Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Monday, August 13
2001 Volume 01 : Number
575
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Date:
Sun, 12 Aug 2001 06:50:18 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: H & R Wheel Spacers
Richard,
I'm not familiar with ET
(I'm assuming extended thread) lug nuts for our
cars. I'm still looking
at 1/2" of thread engagement with the spacers but
if someone makes and
extended lugnut I would be interested.
Thanks for the
reply.
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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From: "Richard" <
radanc@home.com>
To: "bdtrent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Sent: Saturday,
August 11, 2001 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: H & R Wheel
Spacers
> Depends on how much stud is showing. You could use ET
lugnuts if there
> is even 1/8-1/4 inch showing.
>
> bdtrent
wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if it's nessesary to replace
the factory wheel studs
when
> > using the H & R 5mm offset
wheel spacer? The big reds won't clear the
> > aftermarket 18"
wheels I'm using.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:05:24
-0500
From: "Turbo Driven" <
turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
Hey
Geoff,
Thanks for your feedback....I truly appreciate it. I just
want a Brake
Fluid that's cheaper & found almost everywhere (Wal-Mart,
K-Mart, Pep Boys,
Murray's, etc.)
I hope all is well with
everyone,
Ahmed "AL-CraZy"
>From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>To:
Turbo Driven <
turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
>CC:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug
2001 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I tried it..and I cooked it miserably
in my RX7..which has better brakes
>that the 3S.
>
>Motul..get
Motul.
>
>Dunno where to get it? Ask me..I gots
it.
>
>On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Turbo Driven wrote:
>
> >
Hello all,
> >
> > I'm curious if anyone has actually tried
the Valvoline SynPower
>Synthetic
> > Brake Fluid?? It's
DOT 3 and DOT 4 approved and has a 500+ degree
>boiling
> >
point. All my Turbo Toyota Supra friends love this SynPower
product.
> >
> > How's this Valvoline SynPower with our 3/S
cars??
> >
> > Feedback anyone??
> >
> >
Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Ahmed "AL-Crazy" '92 3000GT VR4
& '87 Buick GN (both highly modified)
>*New & Improved:
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:57:59
-0500
From: "Turbo Driven" <
turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
Well
Erik? Did you bleed out the entire old brake fluid and then replace
with the SynPower Synthetic stuff??
How'd the SynPower peform??
Did you cook 'em pretty good?? I'm planning on
bleeding my entire
brake fluid system and replacing with SynPower tomorrow
night (Monday
night).
Please let me know asap!!
Hope all is well with
everyone.
Ahmed "AL-CrazY"
>From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
>To:
"'Turbo Driven'" <
turbodrvn@hotmail.com>,
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
RE: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug
2001 14:00:15 -0700
>
> > I'm curious if anyone has actually
tried the Valvoline
> > SynPower Synthetic Brake
Fluid??
>
>Funny you should ask that...
>
>I just put
that in my VR-4 last night. I chose that fluid because I
needed
>something quick (unplanned DE at an airfield this Friday) and I
noticed
>that
>based on the specs, it looks decent. We'll
see. I should be hitting 100+
>on the straights (5/8mi) and having
to slow it down to 30-40 in the turns,
>so I'll have a chance to cook it
pretty good :-)
>
>--Erik
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:58:51
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Cool Air Intake
I haven't done much research on equipment, but the stuff
I have looked at is relatively
expensive. The thermocouples are probably $30
each and a simple hand held digital
readout is $60 and up into the hundreds.
There are companies that make digital
acquisition equipment that samples
multiple channels and interfaces with a computer
but that stuff probably
starts at $400. I was hoping to find someone who works in a
field where they
have access to this stuff and can just borrow it for some tests. A
college
engineering type would probably have access to all the junk necessary.
The
data is pretty straight forward ---- we should know what the underhood
temps are in
various spots and under various conditions eg. seal at the back
of the hood, does
removing it make a difference in temps ???
If
someone has the resources and the wherewithal to take on such a project
I'm
sure the group could come up with a series of tests and probe
locations.
Jim
Berry
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----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Garrott <
dgarrott@texas.net>
Jim:
I
am not any kind of a technical person, but I can usually read temps or
graphs. Have you a source for the parts you
mentioned? I might be
able to get some of them, and check my VR-4 then forward them to someone
else to get comparable
data.
Doug G
'93VR - 4
-----
Original Message -----
From: Jim Berry
To: Paul T. Golley ;
Team3S
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Cool Air Intake
I did some preliminary temperature
measurements about a year or so
ago, what I found using a fast acting
thermocouple was:
At idle the air temps [ at the K&N filter]
started to climb almost
instantly and peaked at about 150º [75º
ambient].
As soon as the car started to move the temp dropped to
about 10º
above ambient.
In third gear at about 30 mph
and going to WOT the temperature started
to climb to 125º and up --- I
had to back off because of traffic conditions
but the temperature was
still climbing. I repeated that portion a couple
of times and the
results were consistent.
My take on the minimal testing --- at
cruise no problem, at WOT there
is great room for improvement. I guess
I should set up a probe at the track
and see what the input temps do
under sustained load.
I wasn't able to get temps at the MAS
because I didn't have a thermocouple
that I could put in the Y pipe
with quick enough response to make any
useful readings. I wish someone
with additional resources would take
the project up and get full data.
You need several very small [ 4mil bead
or less ] thermocouples and a
switchable reader or better yet a multi
channel recorder. I'd love to
see ambiant, air filter, Y pipe and maybe
before and after IC's all
displayed at the same time
From: Paul T. Golley <
ptgolley@hiwaay.net>
To:
Team3S <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> I thought about trying to get direct outside air to my
>
intake, and after studying the stock configuration
> of the front
elements affecting this flow, I concluded
> that by and large, the
engine was already getting fresh
> air. Am I in error? Look at the
paths!
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:31:57
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
The problem with
what you want, and being "cheap and everywhere" are
mutually
exclusive.
Anyone racing with a "consumer" grade brake fluid is asking
for trouble.
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Turbo Driven wrote:
> Hey
Geoff,
>
> Thanks for your feedback....I truly appreciate it.
I just want a Brake
> Fluid that's cheaper & found almost everywhere
(Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Pep Boys,
> Murray's, etc.)
>
> I hope
all is well with everyone,
>
> Ahmed "AL-CraZy"
>
>
> >From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
>To: Turbo Driven <
turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
>
>CC:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
>
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I tried
it..and I cooked it miserably in my RX7..which has better brakes
>
>that the 3S.
> >
> >Motul..get Motul.
> >
>
>Dunno where to get it? Ask me..I gots it.
> >
> >On
Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Turbo Driven wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
all,
> > >
> > > I'm curious if anyone has actually
tried the Valvoline SynPower
> >Synthetic
> > > Brake
Fluid?? It's DOT 3 and DOT 4 approved and has a 500+ degree
>
>boiling
> > > point. All my Turbo Toyota Supra friends
love this SynPower product.
> > >
> > > How's this
Valvoline SynPower with our 3/S cars??
> > >
> > >
Feedback anyone??
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
>
> >
> > > Ahmed "AL-Crazy" '92 3000GT VR4 & '87 Buick GN
(both highly modified)
> >*New & Improved:
http://www.speedtoys.com *
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:59:26
-0500
From: "Oskar" <
osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Motul brake fluid
I've seen some posts lately wondering where to get
Motul, and sometimes a
comment from people not using it because of lack of
availability. Check
your Motorcycle shops. Most MC shops carry
it, and as a bonus, generally
charge slightly less that automotive
shops. Only catch is that they
sometimes have limited quantities as MC
owners rarely purchase in quantities
of 4-6 bottles at a time.
Just
wanted to mention this as it is real good stuff.
Oskar
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:19:05
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Motul brake fluid
Ive got it available at any time in bottle
& case quantities.
However, the savings in at the case level..it
stinks to buy 3 bottles at
$9/ea then add on shipping..etc.
On Sun, 12
Aug 2001, Oskar wrote:
> I've seen some posts lately wondering where
to get Motul, and sometimes a
> comment from people not using it because
of lack of availability. Check
> your Motorcycle shops. Most
MC shops carry it, and as a bonus, generally
> charge slightly less that
automotive shops. Only catch is that they
> sometimes have limited
quantities as MC owners rarely purchase in quantities
> of 4-6 bottles at
a time.
>
> Just wanted to mention this as it is real good
stuff.
>
> Oskar
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:20:43
-0500
From: Shane Thoms <
shanethoms@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Hood Scoop for TT
No no, you guys are missing it. The front
"grabber" is sealed to a intake
or stuffing box.
The rear would be
designed to evacuate the under hood air. AS far as
pressure...
dunno. Just
thought a double ended scoop would be
cool.
Shane
>But under the hood can not be both low
pressure AND high pressure at the
>same time. Your double-ended
scoop will not work. If you separate the in
>from the out by the
hood's length then maybe it could work. A double-ended
>scoop would
scoop air in the front and air in the back of it and no air
>would
escape.
>
>I thought his was already covered. I just know that
planes stay up in the
>air for a reason (air flowing over the wing and
under it are a different
>pressure which pushes the plane up into the
air). What you are saying is
>that the air going over the wing will
all of a sudden switch to an opposite
>pressure and then back
again.
>
>Air under the hood is always around the same pressure and
the air on the
>outside is always around the same pressure. You
can't really just switch
>this on or off -- it is there so you need to
work around it somehow.
>
>--Flash!
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
>Of Steven M.
>Sent:
Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:07 AM
>To:
dschilberg@pobox.com;
'Team3S'
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Hood Scoop for TT
>
>
>It
all depends on the way the air is flowing, you want your intake to be
>in
place with a large amount of pressure (front of hood where many
NACA
>ducting setups are), and the exhaust where the aerodynamics of the
car
>cause lower pressure than under the hood. Keep in mind the
entire
>engine bay is pretty much open from the bottom, and there will be
all
>sorts of turbulences from that, if you want to make our car.
Which
>direction the air flows depends on where the air is under less
pressure
>relative to the other side of your hole. If there is less
pressure
>under the hood, air goes in, less pressure outside, air goes
out.
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:11:04
-0700
From: "Ryan Peterson" <
ryanp@crcwnet.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Ground Control - how hard to install?
Anyone who has installed the Ground
Control system. How difficult of an
install is it. Just a matter of taking
out the struts, adding the sleeves
and springs and reinstalling? Or is that
vastly oversimplified? (I already
know how to take out the
struts)
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:38:00
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: I Wuz Wrong about Ford Fluid
Five VR4s ran at Heartland Park
(Topeka, KS) this weekend.
Four cars had Motul fluid.
One had Ford
High Performance fluid (me).
My car consistently boiled its fluid while the
others did not.
Flash and I (mostly Flash) bled out all the Ford fluid,
replaced it with
Motul, and the problem disappeared.
I am convinced.
All my air ducts, scoops and water injection were simply
delaying the
inevitable: e.g., when I ran out of cooling water, the Ford
fluid boiled.
Therefore, I take back all the wonderful things I said about Ford
fluid
being the best bargain in racing. It don't work!
With the
Motul, I could run hard for an entire session without having the
pedal go to
the floor by the 5th lap.
And, for the first time ever, I cooked a brand
new set of stock rear pads,
wearing them right down to the backing plates in
6 on-track sessions. I
don't know if the Motul helped me get the rear brakes
to activate (how
could that be?), but I had rear brakes for the first time
ever (I know, I
know, they always worked a little...but this time they
actually
participated!).
It is really nice to run with other cars,
compare notes, and figure out
what's wrong, instead of constantly
guessing.
We'll have a full report later.
Rich/thoroughly
chagrined
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:00:11
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: I Wuz Wrong about Ford Fluid
And for -one- week
only, the Merritt Special(tm) on Motul600 begins!
Just say "Merritt told
me so" and case quantities of Motul600 fluid will
be 100% -cost- of $80/case
+ shipping and handlin'.
Price resumes to $94/case as of Noon PST
Friday.
Retail on this is anywhere from $129-140/case. This is only
good for
Team3s and 3Sracers subscribers only. However any member is
welcome to
purcahse multiple cases for local distribution if they so wish.
(just tip
me a few bucks if ya do).
Valid only with payment via
PayPal.
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Merritt wrote:
> Five VR4s ran
at Heartland Park (Topeka, KS) this weekend.
> Four cars had Motul
fluid.
> One had Ford High Performance fluid (me).
> My car
consistently boiled its fluid while the others did not.
>
> Flash
and I (mostly Flash) bled out all the Ford fluid, replaced it with
>
Motul, and the problem disappeared.
>
> I am convinced. All my air
ducts, scoops and water injection were simply
> delaying the inevitable:
e.g., when I ran out of cooling water, the Ford
> fluid boiled.
>
> Therefore, I take back all the wonderful things I said about Ford
fluid
> being the best bargain in racing. It don't work!
>
>
With the Motul, I could run hard for an entire session without having
the
> pedal go to the floor by the 5th lap.
>
> And, for the
first time ever, I cooked a brand new set of stock rear pads,
> wearing
them right down to the backing plates in 6 on-track sessions. I
> don't
know if the Motul helped me get the rear brakes to activate (how
> could
that be?), but I had rear brakes for the first time ever (I know, I
>
know, they always worked a little...but this time they actually
>
participated!).
>
> It is really nice to run with other cars,
compare notes, and figure out
> what's wrong, instead of constantly
guessing.
> We'll have a full report later.
>
>
Rich/thoroughly chagrined
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:03:14
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?
Ryan,
I know you
know your car well, and as you assume, it is just that
easy.... I did
this to my friends MX-6 in a matter of about 6 hours
total, and his rear
strut towers were a pain to get to -no air tools
would fit :(
Regardless, remove struts, remove springs using
compressor, and install
ground controls....
- -Cody
- -----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Ryan Peterson
Sent: Monday,
August 13, 2001 12:11 AM
To: Stealth List
Subject: Team3S: Ground Control
- how hard to install?
Anyone who has installed the Ground Control
system. How difficult of an
install is it. Just a matter of taking out the
struts, adding the
sleeves
and springs and reinstalling? Or is that vastly
oversimplified? (I
already
know how to take out the
struts)
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:20:48
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?
Just dont forget the
-required- alignment soon afterwards.
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, cody
wrote:
> Ryan,
> I know you know your car well, and as you
assume, it is just that
> easy.... I did this to my friends MX-6 in
a matter of about 6 hours
> total, and his rear strut towers were a pain
to get to -no air tools
> would fit :( Regardless, remove struts,
remove springs using
> compressor, and install ground controls....
>
> -Cody
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
> Of Ryan Peterson
>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:11 AM
> To: Stealth List
> Subject:
Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?
>
> Anyone who has
installed the Ground Control system. How difficult of an
> install is it.
Just a matter of taking out the struts, adding the
> sleeves
> and
springs and reinstalling? Or is that vastly oversimplified? (I
>
already
> know how to take out the struts)
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 05:16:47
-0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <
jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: I Wuz Wrong about Ford Fluid
Hi Rich,
Ford HP has very
high BP. BUT it sucks up water
quickly. So you MUST change the
Ford fluid
frequently.
The key to using Ford HP is to flush the
entire system
of Ford fluid at least once per track season AND bleed
a
good quantity of fluid before each DE.
With the stock braking system
flushing wasn't that
important cause you always bled a good amount
every
time you had to change pads. Remember we had to
change pads
sometimes after two DE sessions.
Now with the BIG REDS we change pads
after many days
of Driving Events.
Fresh fluid means no
boiling.
Perhaps you had some air or bad fluid in the rear
sections
and total fluid replacement corrected the
situation.
Wish I could
have run with you guys at Heartland.
Be of good
cheer,
John
- --- Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
wrote:
> Five VR4s ran at Heartland Park (Topeka, KS) this
>
weekend.
> Four cars had Motul fluid.
> One had Ford High
Performance fluid (me).
> My car consistently boiled its fluid while
the
> others did not.
>
> Flash and I (mostly Flash) bled out
all the Ford
> fluid, replaced it with
> Motul, and the problem
disappeared.
>
> I am convinced. All my air ducts, scoops and
water
> injection were simply
> delaying the inevitable: e.g., when
I ran out of
> cooling water, the Ford
> fluid boiled.
>
> Therefore, I take back all the wonderful things I
> said about
Ford fluid
> being the best bargain in racing. It don't work!
>
> With the Motul, I could run hard for an entire
> session without
having the
> pedal go to the floor by the 5th lap.
>
> And,
for the first time ever, I cooked a brand new
> set of stock rear
pads,
> wearing them right down to the backing plates in 6
>
on-track sessions. I
> don't know if the Motul helped me get the
rear
> brakes to activate (how
> could that be?), but I had rear
brakes for the first
> time ever (I know, I
> know, they always
worked a little...but this time
> they actually
>
participated!).
>
> It is really nice to run with other cars,
compare
> notes, and figure out
> what's wrong, instead of
constantly guessing.
> We'll have a full report later.
>
>
Rich/thoroughly chagrined
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