Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Monday, August 13 2001    Volume 01 : Number 575




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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 06:50:18 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: H & R Wheel Spacers

Richard,

I'm not familiar with ET (I'm assuming extended thread) lug nuts for our
cars.  I'm still looking at 1/2" of thread engagement with the spacers but
if someone makes and extended lugnut I would be interested.
Thanks for the reply.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <radanc@home.com>
To: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: H & R Wheel Spacers


> Depends on how much stud is showing. You could use ET lugnuts if there
> is even 1/8-1/4 inch showing.
>
> bdtrent wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if it's nessesary to replace the factory wheel studs
when
> > using the H & R 5mm offset wheel spacer?  The big reds won't clear the
> > aftermarket 18" wheels I'm using.
> >
> > Regards,
> > DaveT/92TT

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:05:24 -0500
From: "Turbo Driven" <turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid

Hey Geoff,

Thanks for your feedback....I truly appreciate it.  I just want a Brake
Fluid that's cheaper & found almost everywhere (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Pep Boys,
Murray's, etc.)

I hope all is well with everyone,

Ahmed "AL-CraZy"


>From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>To: Turbo Driven <turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
>CC: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I tried it..and I cooked it miserably in my RX7..which has better brakes
>that the 3S.
>
>Motul..get Motul.
>
>Dunno where to get it?  Ask me..I gots it.
>
>On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Turbo Driven wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm curious if anyone has actually tried the Valvoline SynPower
>Synthetic
> > Brake Fluid??  It's DOT 3 and DOT 4 approved and has a 500+ degree
>boiling
> > point.  All my Turbo Toyota Supra friends love this SynPower product.
> >
> > How's this Valvoline SynPower with our 3/S cars??
> >
> > Feedback anyone??
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Ahmed "AL-Crazy" '92 3000GT VR4 & '87 Buick GN (both highly modified)
>*New & Improved: http://www.speedtoys.com *

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:57:59 -0500
From: "Turbo Driven" <turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid

Well Erik?   Did you bleed out the entire old brake fluid and then replace
with the SynPower Synthetic stuff??

How'd the SynPower peform??  Did you cook 'em pretty good??  I'm planning on
bleeding my entire brake fluid system and replacing with SynPower tomorrow
night (Monday night).

Please let me know asap!!

Hope all is well with everyone.

Ahmed "AL-CrazY"


>From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
>To: "'Turbo Driven'" <turbodrvn@hotmail.com>, team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:00:15 -0700
>
> > I'm curious if anyone has actually tried the Valvoline
> > SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid??
>
>Funny you should ask that...
>
>I just put that in my VR-4 last night.  I chose that fluid because I needed
>something quick (unplanned DE at an airfield this Friday) and I noticed
>that
>based on the specs, it looks decent.  We'll see.  I should be hitting 100+
>on the straights (5/8mi) and having to slow it down to 30-40 in the turns,
>so I'll have a chance to cook it pretty good :-)
>
>--Erik

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:58:51 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cool Air Intake

I haven't done much research on equipment, but the stuff I have looked at is relatively
expensive. The thermocouples are probably $30 each and a simple hand held digital
readout is $60 and up into the hundreds. There are companies that make digital
acquisition equipment that samples multiple channels and interfaces with a computer
but that stuff probably starts at $400. I was hoping to find someone who works in a
field where they have access to this stuff and can just borrow it for some tests. A
college engineering type would probably have access to all the junk necessary. The
data is pretty straight forward ---- we should know what the underhood temps are in
various spots and under various conditions eg. seal at the back of the hood, does
removing it make a difference in temps ???

If someone has the resources and the wherewithal to take on such a project I'm
sure the group could come up with a series of tests and probe locations.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Garrott <dgarrott@texas.net>

Jim:

I am not any kind of a technical person,  but I can usually read temps or graphs.  Have you a source for the parts you
mentioned?  I might be able to get some of them,  and check my VR-4 then forward them to someone else to get comparable
data.

Doug G
'93VR - 4
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Berry
  To: Paul T. Golley ; Team3S
  Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 10:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Team3S: Cool Air Intake


  I did some preliminary temperature measurements about a year or so
  ago, what I found using a fast acting thermocouple was:

  At idle the air temps [ at the K&N filter] started to climb almost
  instantly and peaked at about 150º  [75º ambient].

  As soon as the car started to move the temp dropped to about 10º
  above ambient.

  In third gear at about 30 mph and going to WOT the temperature started
  to climb to 125º and up --- I had to back off because of traffic conditions
  but the temperature was still climbing. I repeated that portion a couple
  of times and the results were consistent.

  My take on the minimal testing --- at cruise no problem, at WOT there
  is great room for improvement. I guess I should set up a probe at the track
  and see what the input temps do under sustained load.

  I wasn't able to get temps at the MAS because I didn't have a thermocouple
  that I could put in the Y pipe with quick enough response to make any
  useful readings. I wish someone with additional resources would take
  the project up and get full data. You need several very small [ 4mil bead
  or less ] thermocouples and a switchable reader or better yet a multi
  channel recorder. I'd love to see ambiant, air filter, Y pipe and maybe
  before and after IC's all displayed at the same time

From: Paul T. Golley <ptgolley@hiwaay.net>
  To: Team3S <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
  > I thought about trying to get direct outside air to my
  > intake, and after studying the stock configuration
  > of the front elements affecting this flow, I concluded
  > that by and large, the engine was already getting fresh
  > air. Am I in error? Look at the paths!

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:31:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid

The problem with what you want, and being "cheap and everywhere" are
mutually exclusive.

Anyone racing with a "consumer" grade brake fluid is asking for trouble.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Turbo Driven wrote:

> Hey Geoff,
>
> Thanks for your feedback....I truly appreciate it.  I just want a Brake
> Fluid that's cheaper & found almost everywhere (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Pep Boys,
> Murray's, etc.)
>
> I hope all is well with everyone,
>
> Ahmed "AL-CraZy"
>
>
> >From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> >To: Turbo Driven <turbodrvn@hotmail.com>
> >CC: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> >Subject: Re: Team3S: Valvoline SynPower Synthetic Brake Fluid
> >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I tried it..and I cooked it miserably in my RX7..which has better brakes
> >that the 3S.
> >
> >Motul..get Motul.
> >
> >Dunno where to get it?  Ask me..I gots it.
> >
> >On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Turbo Driven wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I'm curious if anyone has actually tried the Valvoline SynPower
> >Synthetic
> > > Brake Fluid??  It's DOT 3 and DOT 4 approved and has a 500+ degree
> >boiling
> > > point.  All my Turbo Toyota Supra friends love this SynPower product.
> > >
> > > How's this Valvoline SynPower with our 3/S cars??
> > >
> > > Feedback anyone??
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > Ahmed "AL-Crazy" '92 3000GT VR4 & '87 Buick GN (both highly modified)
> >*New & Improved: http://www.speedtoys.com *

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:59:26 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Motul brake fluid

I've seen some posts lately wondering where to get Motul, and sometimes a
comment from people not using it because of lack of availability.  Check
your Motorcycle shops.  Most MC shops carry it, and as a bonus, generally
charge slightly less that automotive shops.  Only catch is that they
sometimes have limited quantities as MC owners rarely purchase in quantities
of 4-6 bottles at a time.

Just wanted to mention this as it is real good stuff.

Oskar

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:19:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Motul brake fluid

Ive got it available at any time in bottle & case quantities.

However, the savings in at the case level..it stinks to buy 3 bottles at
$9/ea then add on shipping..etc.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Oskar wrote:

> I've seen some posts lately wondering where to get Motul, and sometimes a
> comment from people not using it because of lack of availability.  Check
> your Motorcycle shops.  Most MC shops carry it, and as a bonus, generally
> charge slightly less that automotive shops.  Only catch is that they
> sometimes have limited quantities as MC owners rarely purchase in quantities
> of 4-6 bottles at a time.
>
> Just wanted to mention this as it is real good stuff.
>
> Oskar
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:20:43 -0500
From: Shane Thoms <shanethoms@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hood Scoop for TT

No no, you guys are missing it.  The front "grabber" is sealed to a intake
or stuffing box.
The rear would be designed to evacuate the under hood air.  AS far as
pressure... dunno.  Just
thought a double ended scoop would be cool.

Shane


>But under the hood can not be both low pressure AND high pressure at the
>same time.  Your double-ended scoop will not work.  If you separate the in
>from the out by the hood's length then maybe it could work.  A double-ended
>scoop would scoop air in the front and air in the back of it and no air
>would escape.
>
>I thought his was already covered.  I just know that planes stay up in the
>air for a reason (air flowing over the wing and under it are a different
>pressure which pushes the plane up into the air).  What you are saying is
>that the air going over the wing will all of a sudden switch to an opposite
>pressure and then back again.
>
>Air under the hood is always around the same pressure and the air on the
>outside is always around the same pressure.  You can't really just switch
>this on or off -- it is there so you need to work around it somehow.
>
>--Flash!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
>Of Steven M.
>Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:07 AM
>To: dschilberg@pobox.com; 'Team3S'
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Hood Scoop for TT
>
>
>It all depends on the way the air is flowing, you want your intake to be
>in place with a large amount of pressure (front of hood where many NACA
>ducting setups are), and the exhaust where the aerodynamics of the car
>cause lower pressure than under the hood.  Keep in mind the entire
>engine bay is pretty much open from the bottom, and there will be all
>sorts of turbulences from that, if you want to make our car.  Which
>direction the air flows depends on where the air is under less pressure
>relative to the other side of your hole.  If there is less pressure
>under the hood, air goes in, less pressure outside, air goes out.

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:11:04 -0700
From: "Ryan Peterson" <ryanp@crcwnet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?

Anyone who has installed the Ground Control system. How difficult of an
install is it. Just a matter of taking out the struts, adding the sleeves
and springs and reinstalling? Or is that vastly oversimplified? (I already
know how to take out the struts)

Ryan Peterson
www.crcwnet.com/~ryanp


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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:38:00 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: I Wuz Wrong about Ford Fluid

Five VR4s ran at Heartland Park (Topeka, KS)  this weekend.
Four cars had Motul fluid.
One had Ford High Performance fluid (me).
My car consistently boiled its fluid while the others did not.

Flash and I (mostly Flash) bled out all the Ford fluid, replaced it with
Motul, and the problem disappeared.

I am convinced. All my air ducts, scoops and water injection were simply
delaying the inevitable: e.g., when I ran out of cooling water, the Ford
fluid boiled.

Therefore, I take back all the wonderful things I said about Ford fluid
being the best bargain in racing. It don't work!

With the Motul, I could run hard for an entire session without having the
pedal go to the floor by the 5th lap.

And, for the first time ever, I cooked a brand new set of stock rear pads,
wearing them right down to the backing plates in 6 on-track sessions. I
don't know if the Motul helped me get the rear brakes to activate (how
could that be?), but I had rear brakes for the first time ever (I know, I
know, they always worked a little...but this time they actually
participated!).

It is really nice to run with other cars, compare notes, and figure out
what's wrong, instead of constantly guessing.
We'll have a full report later.

Rich/thoroughly chagrined

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: I Wuz Wrong about Ford Fluid

And for -one- week only, the Merritt Special(tm) on Motul600 begins!

Just say "Merritt told me so" and case quantities of Motul600 fluid will
be 100% -cost- of $80/case + shipping and handlin'.

Price resumes to $94/case as of Noon PST Friday.

Retail on this is anywhere from $129-140/case.  This is only good for
Team3s and 3Sracers subscribers only.  However any member is welcome to
purcahse multiple cases for local distribution if they so wish. (just tip
me a few bucks if ya do).

Valid only with payment via PayPal.


On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Merritt wrote:

> Five VR4s ran at Heartland Park (Topeka, KS)  this weekend.
> Four cars had Motul fluid.
> One had Ford High Performance fluid (me).
> My car consistently boiled its fluid while the others did not.
>
> Flash and I (mostly Flash) bled out all the Ford fluid, replaced it with
> Motul, and the problem disappeared.
>
> I am convinced. All my air ducts, scoops and water injection were simply
> delaying the inevitable: e.g., when I ran out of cooling water, the Ford
> fluid boiled.
>
> Therefore, I take back all the wonderful things I said about Ford fluid
> being the best bargain in racing. It don't work!
>
> With the Motul, I could run hard for an entire session without having the
> pedal go to the floor by the 5th lap.
>
> And, for the first time ever, I cooked a brand new set of stock rear pads,
> wearing them right down to the backing plates in 6 on-track sessions. I
> don't know if the Motul helped me get the rear brakes to activate (how
> could that be?), but I had rear brakes for the first time ever (I know, I
> know, they always worked a little...but this time they actually
> participated!).
>
> It is really nice to run with other cars, compare notes, and figure out
> what's wrong, instead of constantly guessing.
> We'll have a full report later.
>
> Rich/thoroughly chagrined
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:03:14 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?

Ryan,
I know you know your car well, and as you assume, it is just that
easy....  I did this to my friends MX-6 in a matter of about 6 hours
total, and his rear strut towers were a pain to get to -no air tools
would fit :(  Regardless, remove struts, remove springs using
compressor, and install ground controls....

- -Cody 

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Ryan Peterson
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:11 AM
To: Stealth List
Subject: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?


Anyone who has installed the Ground Control system. How difficult of an
install is it. Just a matter of taking out the struts, adding the
sleeves
and springs and reinstalling? Or is that vastly oversimplified? (I
already
know how to take out the struts)

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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?

Just dont forget the -required- alignment soon afterwards.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, cody wrote:

> Ryan,
> I know you know your car well, and as you assume, it is just that
> easy....  I did this to my friends MX-6 in a matter of about 6 hours
> total, and his rear strut towers were a pain to get to -no air tools
> would fit :(  Regardless, remove struts, remove springs using
> compressor, and install ground controls....
>
> -Cody 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
> Of Ryan Peterson
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:11 AM
> To: Stealth List
> Subject: Team3S: Ground Control - how hard to install?
>
> Anyone who has installed the Ground Control system. How difficult of an
> install is it. Just a matter of taking out the struts, adding the
> sleeves
> and springs and reinstalling? Or is that vastly oversimplified? (I
> already
> know how to take out the struts)
*New & Improved: http://www.speedtoys.com *


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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 05:16:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: I Wuz Wrong about Ford Fluid

Hi Rich,

Ford HP has very high BP.  BUT it sucks up water
quickly.  So you MUST change the Ford fluid
frequently. 
The key to using Ford HP is to flush the entire system
of Ford fluid at least once per track season AND bleed
a good quantity of fluid before each DE.

With the stock braking system flushing wasn't that
important cause you always bled a good amount every
time you had to change pads.  Remember we had to
change pads sometimes after two DE sessions.

Now with the BIG REDS we change pads after many days
of Driving Events. 

Fresh fluid means no boiling.

Perhaps you had some air or bad fluid in the rear
sections and total fluid replacement corrected the
situation.


Wish I could have run with you guys at Heartland.

Be of good cheer,
John


- --- Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net> wrote:
> Five VR4s ran at Heartland Park (Topeka, KS)  this
> weekend.
> Four cars had Motul fluid.
> One had Ford High Performance fluid (me).
> My car consistently boiled its fluid while the
> others did not.
>
> Flash and I (mostly Flash) bled out all the Ford
> fluid, replaced it with
> Motul, and the problem disappeared.
>
> I am convinced. All my air ducts, scoops and water
> injection were simply
> delaying the inevitable: e.g., when I ran out of
> cooling water, the Ford
> fluid boiled.
>
> Therefore, I take back all the wonderful things I
> said about Ford fluid
> being the best bargain in racing. It don't work!
>
> With the Motul, I could run hard for an entire
> session without having the
> pedal go to the floor by the 5th lap.
>
> And, for the first time ever, I cooked a brand new
> set of stock rear pads,
> wearing them right down to the backing plates in 6
> on-track sessions. I
> don't know if the Motul helped me get the rear
> brakes to activate (how
> could that be?), but I had rear brakes for the first
> time ever (I know, I
> know, they always worked a little...but this time
> they actually
> participated!).
>
> It is really nice to run with other cars, compare
> notes, and figure out
> what's wrong, instead of constantly guessing.
> We'll have a full report later.
>
> Rich/thoroughly chagrined

=====
Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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