Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Saturday, August 4
2001 Volume 01 : Number
567
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Date:
Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:54:51 -0400
From: "WALTER D. BEST" <
WDBO39@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
3S-Racers: Brake questions
Very good information, thanks John
-
----- Original Message -----
From: "John T. Christian" <
JCZooM@iname.com>
Sent: Thursday,
August 02, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: 3S-Racers: Brake questions
(snip)
There doesn't seem to be any concern that the Big Reds were designed
for a
32mm thick rotor and we are using it with a whimpy 30mm thick rotor.
Pistons
have to
extend an additional 2mm. Hmmmmmm
(snip)
(snip) 2.) Was there any conclusion on the two-piece rotor
discussion we
had earlier? Porsche rotors? More offset?
Reusable hat? Lighter weight
rotor? Anybody? (snip)
I was
wondering the same thing, as it looks now the Big Red does extend past
the
stock rotor size by about .25 inch, 1/4 inch =~6.4 mm, the stock front
rotors
(1994+) are 314 mm x 30 mm.
And I understand it a custom rotor from KVR,
is 12.75 inch in diameter (1.25
thick) will take advantage of the Bid Red pad
coverage.
So has anyone spoken to Porterfield or Wilwood
http://www.wilwood.com/,
about making
something up for us that is either 321 mm x 32 mm or 320 mm x
32 mm disc with
a hat that matches our cars? I find it a bit hard to
believe that our
cars are so unique that there isn't a hat already made that
fits. I
recent found out that Mustang wheels will fit our cars and everyone
know how
many Mustangs are out there and the difference in cost of their
parts and
ours. Just might be worth it to contact one of these companies
and send
them an old rotor to see what they might have available for us. I
know
Wilwood does a lot with designing rotors for the guys who run in
SCCA.
Since KVR seems to be addressing the diameter issue think they can
give us
an additional 2 mm thickness too?
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:49:24
-0500
From:
kalla@tripoint.orgSubject: Re: Team3S:
changing 6th
> redline. If you had the power you could reach over 200
mph in 5th [ 5
> speed ], if you had the tires, if you had the suspension,
if you had
> the roll bars etc. etc. The top end is about 160 as is
so I'm not
> sure where you would use more speed.
I wonder if there
would also be a problem with the transaxle
overheating at speeds like this.
There is no transmission cooler on
our cars. The transaxle is pretty hot
after highway driving, and I'm
sure it's really hot after open track events.
I wonder if 180+ mph for
an extended period would cause it to fail.
Walton C. Gibson
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:40:21
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: changing 6th
Did you ever run out of pedal with the old
transmission in 6th gear?
Chuck Willis
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Alex Pedenko [SMTP:apedenko@mediaone.net]
>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:16 PM
> To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Team3S: changing 6th
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm getting my transmission replaced under the
extended warranty from
> mitsu, and I was wondering if there is any way to
change the gear ratio to
> allow for a higher top speed. My thinking is
that since they're gonna be
> in
> there, it might be cheaper to do
that now than later on. I have no idea
> what
> that would entail,
and would appreciate any input on this.
>
>
Alex Pedenko
>
> Green '95 VR4
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:49:14
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: FW: Used Race Tires
This is the same source that Jim Berry
mentioned. Chad has a Corvette that
he drives pretty aggressively at
the track. I rode with him at TWS and was
amazed at the amount of grip
the slicks provided. My recollection is that
they were
Hoosiers.
Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
cooper cw [SMTP:coopercw@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:35
AM
> To:
cewillis@texaschildrenshospital.org>
Subject:
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Hope your doing well. I
have that info for those tires I use.
>
> John Bergett Tires
> (262) 740-0180
>
> Just ask for John Bergett and you will
usually have to leave a message
> with his answering service but he is
really good at returning your calls.
>
> I hope he has some tire
sizes you can use, I know he is limited by what
> sizes others are using
at his local track. He may also have different
> compounds (softer or
harder) so you may want to ask about that as well.
> The tires are softer
than your Yokohamas but I've run my rear tires for 3
> events now and they
still have lots of tread on them. My front tires don't
> last as long
though.
>
> I hope this helps. Happy driving sir,
>
>
Chad
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 08:41:28
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Brake questions
> I recent found out that
Mustang wheels will fit our cars and everyone
>know how many Mustangs are
out there and the difference in cost of their
>parts and ours.
What? Please elaborate!
Rich
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:37:08
-0400
From: Jon Apostoles <
jon@ncfpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Strange
wiring..
Hello,
I've recently got my hands on (been given actually) a
'91 VR4 Twin Turbo
3000 GT. Everything runs well, and the engine has
been replaced ('94
engine). The strange thing is that all of the
wiring is messed up... well
not messed up in that it doesn't work (only a
few minor things electrically
don't work), but all of the connectors are
taped to the main wiring with
electrical tape. When I say all, I mean
ALL! Even behind the (stock) CD
player the wiring is all taped
together, the fuse panel (in the car and under
the hood), as well as all the
wiring for power, etc.. I have NO idea why it
is like this. I am faced
with a tough decision... I'm pressed for cash (a
few thousand dollars
I have to spend for some type of transportation) as I am
a full time
student. I need to either (a) use the GT and get it fixed up (b)
use
the GT and NOT get it fixed up ;-) (c) buy a few thosand-dollar car.
Does anyone know WHAT could cause this wiring technique? What possibly
could
have got the car in this position? How much would it be to get
the car
rewired, and is it worth it? Other than the electrical stuff,
the car runs
fine (although it seems to be a little slower than it should be
off the
line). The active-aero is destroyed... the motor that turns it
under the
hood is FUBAR. I had to disconnect it to get the AERO light
(annoying) to
turn off. Any ideas guys?
--
Jon
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:44:47
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Strange wiring..
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by taped,
but if you could take a
picture and send it, it would be helpful. In my
car, I just got done
stripping almost miles of electrical tape out of my
car. This is common
practice for car manufacturers to use electrical
tape and wire loom in
conjunction, and some places only electrical
tape. This is used merely
as a form to keep wiring looms together
though, not as an insulator.
- -Cody
- -----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jon Apostoles
Sent: Friday,
August 03, 2001 9:37 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Strange wiring..
Hello,
I've recently got my hands on
(been given actually) a '91 VR4
Twin Turbo
3000 GT. Everything runs
well, and the engine has been replaced ('94
engine). The strange thing
is that all of the wiring is messed up...
well
not messed up in that it
doesn't work (only a few minor things
electrically
don't work), but all
of the connectors are taped to the main wiring with
electrical
tape. When I say all, I mean ALL! Even behind the (stock)
CD
player the wiring is all taped together, the fuse panel (in the car
and
under
the hood), as well as all the wiring for power, etc.. I have NO
idea why
it
is like this. I am faced with a tough decision...
I'm pressed for cash
(a
few thousand dollars I have to spend for some
type of transportation) as
I am
a full time student. I need to
either (a) use the GT and get it fixed
up (b)
use the GT and NOT get it
fixed up ;-) (c) buy a few thosand-dollar
car.
Does anyone
know WHAT could cause this wiring technique? What possibly
could
have got the car in this position? How much would it be to get the car
rewired, and is it worth it? Other than the electrical stuff, the
car
runs
fine (although it seems to be a little slower than it should be
off the
line). The active-aero is destroyed... the motor that turns it
under
the
hood is FUBAR. I had to disconnect it to get the AERO
light (annoying)
to
turn off. Any ideas guys?
--
Jon
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:40:55
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
FW: Used Race Tires
Chuck
Thanks for the response.
I had
pretty much decided to give the Hoosiers a try, a $400 experiment, while
not
trivial in my current socioeconomic place in the cosmos, is not enough to
prevent me from trying to 'go faster' ----- this track stuff is sure
addicting. I guess
that my meager racing budget is part of the racing Gods
approach of keeping me
alive ---- if I had big bucks for big speed I could
kill myself in a much more
spectacular fashion [ sigh --- such is the life of
the working [almost] poor ].
Jim Berry
PS. I'll probably ask a few questions of Mr. Cooper
concerning the care and
breeding of the
Hoosiers on his Vette ---- I'll post back any detailed
info
for those who may be considering an
upgrade.
=======================================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: Willis, Charles E. <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>
This is the same source that Jim Berry mentioned. Chad has a Corvette
that
> he drives pretty aggressively at the track. I rode with him
at TWS and was
> amazed at the amount of grip the slicks provided.
My recollection is that
> they were Hoosiers.
>
>
Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cooper
cw [SMTP:coopercw@hotmail.com]
> > Hi Chuck,
> >
>
> Hope your doing well. I have that info for those tires I use.
> >
> > John Bergett Tires
> > (262) 740-0180
> >
> > Just ask for John Bergett and you will usually have to leave a
message
> > with his answering service but he is really good at
returning your calls.
> >
> > I hope he has some tire sizes
you can use, I know he is limited by what
> > sizes others are using at
his local track. He may also have different
> > compounds (softer or
harder) so you may want to ask about that as well.
> > The tires are
softer than your Yokohamas but I've run my rear tires for 3
> > events
now and they still have lots of tread on them. My front tires don't
> >
last as long though.
> >
> > I hope this helps. Happy driving
sir,
> >
> > Chad
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:16:34
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Strange wiring..
Where do you live?
1. I wonder
if the wiring harness is so different to accomodate a '94
engine in a '91
car?
2. The active aero can be fixed with some effort, my son just
rescued his
front air dam actuator system last weekend.
3. An
investment in a set of service manuals and Vinny's CD would be
in
order.
4. How mechanically inclined are you and what sort of
facilities do you
have at your disposal.
5. How about a bicycle to
get around campus until you get your triple
"diamond in the rough" all
polished.
6. Who GAVE you a VR4? Do they have another for
me?
Chuck Willis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon
Apostoles [SMTP:jon@ncfpc.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:37
AM
> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Team3S: Strange wiring..
>
> Hello,
> I've recently
got my hands on (been given actually) a '91 VR4 Twin
> Turbo
> 3000
GT. Everything runs well, and the engine has been replaced ('94
>
engine). The strange thing is that all of the wiring is messed up...
well
>
> not messed up in that it doesn't work (only a few minor
things
> electrically
> don't work), but all of the connectors are
taped to the main wiring with
> electrical tape. When I say all, I
mean ALL! Even behind the (stock) CD
> player the wiring is all
taped together, the fuse panel (in the car and
> under
> the hood),
as well as all the wiring for power, etc.. I have NO idea why
> it
> is like this. I am faced with a tough decision... I'm
pressed for cash
> (a
> few thousand dollars I have to spend for
some type of transportation) as I
> am
> a full time student.
I need to either (a) use the GT and get it fixed up
> (b)
> use the
GT and NOT get it fixed up ;-) (c) buy a few thosand-dollar car.
>
> Does anyone know WHAT could cause this wiring technique? What
possibly
> could
> have got the car in this position? How
much would it be to get the car
> rewired, and is it worth it?
Other than the electrical stuff, the car
> runs
> fine (although it
seems to be a little slower than it should be off the
> line). The
active-aero is destroyed... the motor that turns it under the
> hood is
FUBAR. I had to disconnect it to get the AERO light (annoying) to
>
> turn off. Any ideas guys?
>
> --
Jon
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:13:21
-0400
From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Adjust BOV
Hello all -
I'm in need of some help with adjusting
that little screw in the back of
my HKS SSBOV. I'm not sure if it needs
adjusting or not, I suspect it
may be leaking or holding to strong but am not
really sure. Any advice
on what to look for when screwing that in and
out?
Thanks
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White R/T TT
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:42:46
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Strange
wiring..
>
>
I've recently got my hands on (been given actually) a '91 VR4
> Twin
Turbo
>3000 GT. Everything runs well, and the engine has been
replaced ('94
>engine). The strange thing is that all of the wiring
is messed up...
Because 91 and 92 used different ECU and
harness.
>a full time student. I need to either (a) use the GT
and get it fixed up (b)
>use the GT and NOT get it fixed up
;-)
What should be fixed, I thought it runs fine ?
>(c) buy a
few thosand-dollar car.
Cheapest solution.
>line). The
active-aero is destroyed... the motor that turns it under the
>hood is
FUBAR. I had to disconnect it to get the AERO light (annoying)
to
>turn off. Any ideas guys?
Just eplace the motor (if it IS
the motor). Otherwise the switches are the
weak point in the AA
system.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:17:16
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Strange wiring..
> 1. I wonder if the wiring harness
is so different to
> accomodate a '94 engine in a '91 car?
There
are differences with the sensors between '91 and '94 and the '94 ECU
physical
connectors are different (as far as I know - I've only owned '94
and '95
VR4's) so if a '94 ECU was transplanted, maybe the patchwork is to
get the
old wiring harness to work with the newer ECU connectors.
Sounds like it
could be a real "interesting" project. If the wires are just
taped
together and not soldered then that could be a really large portion of
the
problems. Each and every single splice should be soldered
and
shrink-tubed to be done correctly. Anything else is a hack and
will
encourage the car to be unreliable.
First steps would be to get
the service manuals with electrical diagrams to
trace out the wires and make
sure everything is hooked up like it should be.
If it at least runs, that's a
good sign.
Jon, if you are looking to sell it I could really use a
racecar. ;-)
Good luck with it, it sounds like it could be a great
deal if given the
proper TLC.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:38:46
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Strange wiring..
There are a lot of opportunities for
mechanical interferences in the front
air dam system, especially if the car
has been run over a curb or two ...
Chuck
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Roger Gerl [SMTP:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
> Sent:
Friday, August 03, 2001 9:43 AM
> To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Strange wiring..
>
>
> Just eplace the
motor (if it IS the motor). Otherwise the switches are the
>
> weak
point in the AA system.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:29:42
-0500
From: Sean Winker <
sean.winker@chrobinson.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Strange wiring..
>Just eplace the motor (if it IS the
motor). Otherwise the switches are the
>weak point in the AA
system.
Fill me in on this technique. Does this mean it can be done
on-line?
(Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation)
Sean
'91 R/T
TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
[mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 09:43
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Strange
wiring..
> I've
recently got my hands on (been given actually) a '91 VR4
> Twin
Turbo
>3000 GT. Everything runs well, and the engine has been
replaced ('94
>engine). The strange thing is that all of the wiring
is messed up...
Because 91 and 92 used different ECU and
harness.
>a full time student. I need to either (a) use the GT
and get it fixed up
(b)
>use the GT and NOT get it fixed up
;-)
What should be fixed, I thought it runs fine ?
>(c) buy a
few thosand-dollar car.
Cheapest solution.
>line). The
active-aero is destroyed... the motor that turns it under the
>hood is
FUBAR. I had to disconnect it to get the AERO light (annoying)
to
>turn off. Any ideas guys?
Just eplace the motor (if it IS
the motor). Otherwise the switches are the
weak point in the AA
system.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:28:11
-0700
From: "Maupin, Justin" <
Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Brake questions
I have a 96 Mustang GT at home
as well as the RT/TT, this weekend I will
check and see if the wheels can be
switched between them.
Justin
>> I recent found out that
Mustang wheels will fit our cars and everyone
>>know how many Mustangs
are out there and the difference in cost of their
>>parts and
ours.
>What? Please
elaborate!
>Rich
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:47:03
-0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: changing 6th
They do have 1 mile speed runs out at El Mirage dry
lake in Calif.
If you are trying something like that, you may want to use
higher profile tires vs a gear change.
it would likely be less costly, even
if you had to buy extra rims too.
Sounds like a rally plan? Think it
costs about $30.
You'd be in extremely rare company saying, 'there I was
doing 205ish, when all of a sudden..blah blah blah'.
Kurt
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Matthews
[mailto:jim@the-matthews.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:45 AM
To:
Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: changing 6th
I've tried top speed runs on
the Autobahn four or five times, and it was
between 168 and 171 mph
(indicated) every attempt. Top speed in my '94 is
reached at the point
where RPMs in 5th are beyond my torque plateau and
where 6th offers
insufficient mechanical advantage. Had I the horsepower to
keep pulling
in 6th, top speed would be well over 200 mph. I assume that by
changing
the ratio of 6th you would want to shorten it to be more like 5th,
which
could conceivably give you a tad more speed by putting the RPMs in the
sweet
spot. But watch those EGTs when laying into the boost for
extensive
periods!
- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
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A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:46:37
-0500 (CDT)
From: David Littau <
littau@cs.umn.edu>
Subject: Team3S:
trans question
How much punishment can the stock TT transmissions
take? I know a lot of
people are really cranking up the boost, but I
don't hear from people who
are shredding gears. Are the synchros truly
the only weak point? Or is
it a "before turning up the boost, get a
backup transmission" kind of
thing?
david
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:38:48
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
changing 6th
I assume, that like the Silver State Classic and other speed
runs the requirements
for the high speed guys are very strict. I know the
Silver State requires full roll
cage, fire suppression systems, nomex suits,
special tires capable of speeds
over 200 and previous experience in the
lower speed classes etc.etc. About
the only folk who allow you to run what
you brung are the Germans on the
Autobahn and I'd venture to guess 200+ is
rare even there.
In the case of a high powered and otherwise stock 3000GT
I think it would be
the spectators saying --- there he was going 205ish when
····· we don't think
they'll ever find all the
pieces.
Jim
Berry
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Original Message -----
From: Zobel, Kurt <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
> They do
have 1 mile speed runs out at El Mirage dry lake in Calif.
> If you are
trying something like that, you may want to use higher profile tires vs a gear
change.
> it would likely be less costly, even if you had to buy extra
rims too.
>
> Sounds like a rally plan? Think it costs about
$30.
> You'd be in extremely rare company saying, 'there I was doing
205ish, when all of a sudden..blah blah blah'.
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:13:33
-0700
From: Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: changing 6th
Any,
Just so I don't have to see for
myself....what is the top speed anyone has
reached with an R/T non-turbo? I
have taken turn 1 at SIR at 110mph (no
fish story) and it just about made me
lose stool. The instructor was
yelling go-go-go and I was screaming "shut
up-sit down and hold on" I found
the limits of me, not my car. I drool over
the turbo stories about 160+. I
will never see it in my car nor will I see
it on our track (SIR) the
fastest they go into turn 1 is 150 as told by the
class I took out there.
Turn 2 is only about 600 ft away and if your going
over 90 your gonna get
some new tires on your car........that big wall of
used tires used to keep
you from going into the woods. These 150's were
being reached by vipers and
z06's......Just more of speed question so I can
sleep at night.
Bob K.
93 r/t non-turbo
FIPK KV85's....bla bla
bla
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry
[SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:39 AM
To: Zobel,
Kurt; Jim Matthews; Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: changing 6th
I assume,
that like the Silver State Classic and other speed runs the
requirements
for the high speed guys are very strict. I know the Silver
State requires
full roll
cage, fire suppression systems, nomex suits,
special tires capable of
speeds
over 200 and previous experience in
the lower speed classes etc.etc. About
the only folk who allow you to
run what you brung are the Germans on the
Autobahn and I'd venture to guess
200+ is rare even there.
In the case of a high powered and otherwise
stock 3000GT I think it would
be
the spectators saying --- there he was
going 205ish when ..... we don't
think
they'll ever find all the
pieces.
Jim
Berry
=======================================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: Zobel, Kurt <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
> They do
have 1 mile speed runs out at El Mirage dry lake in Calif.
> If you are
trying something like that, you may want to use higher profile
tires vs a
gear change.
> it would likely be less costly, even if you had to buy
extra rims too.
>
> Sounds like a rally plan? Think it costs about
$30.
> You'd be in extremely rare company saying, 'there I was doing
205ish,
when all of a sudden..blah blah blah'.
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:34:28
-0700
From: Bob Forrest <
bforrest@pacbell.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Top Speed on an NT (was: changing 6th)
- ----- Original From:
"Robert Koch" <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
>
Just so I don't have to see for myself....what is the top speed
anyone has
reached with an R/T non-turbo? I have taken turn 1 at SIR
at 110mph (no fish
story) and it just about made me lose stool. The
instructor was yelling
go-go-go and I was screaming "shut up-sit down
and hold on" I found the
limits of me, not my car. I drool over the
turbo stories about 160+.
--------snip------------
The "limits of me..." - yeah, I like that, and I
agree. I'd have to
guess that the limit of an NT would be around 140
(pure stock) and
around 150 (suspension/lowering mods, Z-rated tires).
The
aerodynamics of the car would probably be the limiting factor, from
my
experience. Up in your 'neck of the woods', (and when I was
still
stock), I used to travel I-5 for an hour or two at a time at
~120.
Close to 130 and the car would want to go airborne.
After the
mods (Eibachs lowered the car 1.3"), I've been up to 137
and it was no
prob. I didn't go faster only because of the tires I
was on, but the
car really didn't have too much more. Now, with
Z-rated rubber, when
we're on that road we run comfortably at 130, and
it's solid and still
responsive even on those long, sweeping curves.
(Even Eileen drives it at
that speed when she takes the helm). If we
had a rollbar and it weren't
for the chance of road hazards, we might
try 150, but like Eastwood said in
the movie, "A man's got to know
his
limitations...".
Best,
Forrest
'94 Stealth
NT
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:20:39
-0400
From: Curtis McConnel <
CMcConnel@Pulte.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Top Speed on an NT (was: changing 6th)
In my 96 stock non-turbo
3000GT (base 222hp) I got up to 142 in Wisconsin
(I'm guessing 800ft
evaluation or so) temp was about 70 degrees. Hope this
helps
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Forrest
[mailto:bforrest@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:34 PM
To:
Robert Koch; 'Jim Berry'; Zobel, Kurt; Jim Matthews; Team3S
Subject: Team3S:
Top Speed on an NT (was: changing 6th)
- ----- Original From: "Robert
Koch" <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
>
Just so I don't have to see for myself....what is the top speed
anyone has
reached with an R/T non-turbo? I have taken turn 1 at SIR
at 110mph (no fish
story) and it just about made me lose stool. The
instructor was yelling
go-go-go and I was screaming "shut up-sit down
and hold on" I found the
limits of me, not my car. I drool over the
turbo stories about 160+.
--------snip------------
The "limits of me..." - yeah, I like that, and I
agree. I'd have to
guess that the limit of an NT would be around 140
(pure stock) and
around 150 (suspension/lowering mods, Z-rated tires).
The
aerodynamics of the car would probably be the limiting factor, from
my
experience. Up in your 'neck of the woods', (and when I was
still
stock), I used to travel I-5 for an hour or two at a time at
~120.
Close to 130 and the car would want to go airborne.
After the
mods (Eibachs lowered the car 1.3"), I've been up to 137
and it was no
prob. I didn't go faster only because of the tires I
was on, but the
car really didn't have too much more. Now, with
Z-rated rubber, when
we're on that road we run comfortably at 130, and
it's solid and still
responsive even on those long, sweeping curves.
(Even Eileen drives it at
that speed when she takes the helm). If we
had a rollbar and it weren't
for the chance of road hazards, we might
try 150, but like Eastwood said in
the movie, "A man's got to know
his
limitations...".
Best,
Forrest
'94 Stealth
NT
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:09:23
-0700
From: "BlackLight" <
BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject:
Team3S: EGT's (Exhaust Gas Temperature) was: changing 6th
I have just a
few quick questions, first of all, is the EGT just another
way of measuring
how hot your engine is running (since the stock
thermostat doesn't tell you
too much) or is there more to it than that.
Are our cars (TT's and
VR4's) prone to overheating? If so what part of
the engine is it that tends
to over heat? The actual block, turbos,
manifolds (I had an Eclipse GSX that
the manifold was glowing bright
orange, it didn't survive), or
what???
And lastly, the reason I am asking is because I was wondering if
there
were any other good places to put temp readings at (for instance ON
a
turbo or manifold). Also where is the EGT sending unit placed
generally?
Thank you all for your help.
Matt Nelson
1994 RT
TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone
503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Netwww.BlackLight.5u.com-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Matthews
Sent: Friday,
August 03, 2001 3:45 AM
To: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: changing
6th
I've tried top speed runs on the Autobahn four or five times,
and
it was between 168 and 171 mph (indicated) every attempt. Top speed
in
my '94 is reached at the point where RPMs in 5th are beyond my torque
plateau
and where 6th offers insufficient mechanical advantage. Had I
the
horsepower to keep pulling in 6th, top speed would be well over
200
mph. I assume that by changing the ratio of 6th you would want
to
shorten it to be more like 5th, which could conceivably give you a
tad
more speed by putting the RPMs in the sweet spot. But watch those
EGTs
when laying into the boost for extensive periods!
- - --
Jim
Matthews - Munich, Germany
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:55:54
-0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: changing 6th
When my 3K base was bone-stock, I tried a speed run
going out to Willow Springs.
I hit 148 after about 3-4 miles. Took it
most of the way in 4th, then it creeped up veeerryyy slowly in 5th. Felt really
stable, but it was good freeway and dead straight.
Haven't seen much over 120
on the track or street since then.
Would not want to test cornering or
brakes at that speed.
Kurt / Skyrider
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Robert Koch [mailto:eK2mfg@foxinternet.com]
Sent:
Friday, August 03, 2001 11:14 AM
To: 'Jim Berry'; Zobel, Kurt; Jim Matthews;
Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: changing 6th
Any,
Just so I don't
have to see for myself....what is the top speed anyone has
reached with an
R/T non-turbo? I have taken turn 1 at SIR at 110mph (no
fish story) and it
just about made me lose stool. The instructor was
yelling go-go-go and I was
screaming "shut up-sit down and hold on" I found
the limits of me, not my
car. I drool over the turbo stories about 160+. I
will never see it in my
car nor will I see it on our track (SIR) the
fastest they go into turn 1 is
150 as told by the class I took out there.
Turn 2 is only about 600 ft away
and if your going over 90 your gonna get
some new tires on your
car........that big wall of used tires used to keep
you from going into the
woods. These 150's were being reached by vipers and
z06's......Just more of
speed question so I can sleep at night.
Bob K.
93 r/t
non-turbo
FIPK KV85's....bla bla bla
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Jim Berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Friday, August
03, 2001 10:39 AM
To: Zobel, Kurt; Jim Matthews; Team3S
Subject: Re:
Team3S: changing 6th
I assume, that like the Silver State Classic and
other speed runs the
requirements
for the high speed guys are very
strict. I know the Silver State requires
full roll
cage, fire suppression
systems, nomex suits, special tires capable of
speeds
over 200 and
previous experience in the lower speed classes etc.etc. About
the only
folk who allow you to run what you brung are the Germans on the
Autobahn and
I'd venture to guess 200+ is rare even there.
In the case of a high
powered and otherwise stock 3000GT I think it would
be
the spectators
saying --- there he was going 205ish when ..... we don't
think
they'll
ever find all the pieces.
Jim
Berry
=======================================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: Zobel, Kurt <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
> They do
have 1 mile speed runs out at El Mirage dry lake in Calif.
> If you are
trying something like that, you may want to use higher profile
tires vs a
gear change.
> it would likely be less costly, even if you had to buy
extra rims too.
>
> Sounds like a rally plan? Think it costs about
$30.
> You'd be in extremely rare company saying, 'there I was doing
205ish,
when all of a sudden..blah blah blah'.
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:03:20
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
changing 6th
One of the problems with the top end stories is the lack of
timing
equipment and two way runs. Lots of guy like to say they hit
185
with more to go, but those stories should be taken with a grain
of
salt. Most magazine articles give speeds in the 155 to 160 range,
I
would assume some of the heavily modded cars with the big
turbos,
intercoolers etc. etc would be in the 190+ range. 200 mph
requires some
special prep --- aero packages [ wheel covers and
the removal of mirrors for
example], special tires and lots of safety
equipment.
If you read the
shoot-out articles by the auto mags you'll see a
lot of breakdowns when
turning the big numbers.
I liked the comment of one of the editors of Motor
Trend when
referring to the dangers of speed runs when doing an article
on
performance cars ---- one pass haulin ass. They don't like risking
life
and limb either.
Jim
berry
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Koch <
eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
To:
'Jim Berry' <
fastmax@home.com>;
Zobel, Kurt <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>;
Jim Matthews <
jim@the-matthews.com>;
Team3S
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Friday, August 03, 2001 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: changing
6th
> Any,
> Just so I don't have to see for myself....what is
the top speed anyone has
> reached with an R/T non-turbo? I have taken
turn 1 at SIR at 110mph (no
> fish story) and it just about made me lose
stool. The instructor was
> yelling go-go-go and I was screaming "shut
up-sit down and hold on" I found
> the limits of me, not my car. I drool
over the turbo stories about 160+. I
> will never see it in my car nor
will I see it on our track (SIR) the
> fastest they go into turn 1 is 150
as told by the class I took out there.
> Turn 2 is only about 600 ft away
and if your going over 90 your gonna get
> some new tires on your
car........that big wall of used tires used to keep
> you from going into
the woods. These 150's were being reached by vipers and
> z06's......Just
more of speed question so I can sleep at night.
>
> Bob K.
>
93 r/t non-turbo
> FIPK KV85's....bla bla bla
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry
[SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:39 AM
>
To: Zobel, Kurt; Jim Matthews; Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: changing
6th
>
> I assume, that like the Silver State Classic and other speed
runs the
> requirements
> for the high speed guys are very strict. I
know the Silver State requires
> full roll
> cage, fire suppression
systems, nomex suits, special tires capable of
> speeds
> over 200
and previous experience in the lower speed classes etc.etc. About
>
the only folk who allow you to run what you brung are the Germans on the
>
Autobahn and I'd venture to guess 200+ is rare even there.
>
> In
the case of a high powered and otherwise stock 3000GT I think it would
>
be
> the spectators saying --- there he was going 205ish when ..... we
don't
> think
> they'll ever find all the
pieces.
> Jim
Berry
> =======================================================
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: Zobel, Kurt <
KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
>
> >
They do have 1 mile speed runs out at El Mirage dry lake in Calif.
> >
If you are trying something like that, you may want to use higher
profile
> tires vs a gear change.
> > it would likely be less
costly, even if you had to buy extra rims too.
> >
> > Sounds
like a rally plan? Think it costs about $30.
> > You'd be in extremely
rare company saying, 'there I was doing 205ish,
> when all of a
sudden..blah blah blah'.
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:44:36
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: changing 6th
>I would assume some of the heavily modded cars
with the big
>turbos, intercoolers etc. etc would be in the 190+
range. 200 mph
>requires some special prep --- aero packages [ wheel
covers and
>the removal of mirrors for example], special tires and lots of
safety
>equipment.
>
The twin turbo Ligenfelter vette did over
200mph on a super speedway type
track in stock body with some Penske race
shocks and better brakes. That
car did not even have a wing--looked
like a stock C5. Our cars are a little
aerodynamically
challenged
Sam
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:01:03
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
changing 6th
In one of the articles I read in the last 6 to 8 months they
changed the
gearing of the car when going from acceleration to top speed.
They
also put on narrower higher pressure tires to reduce rolling
resistance.
My point, I guess, is that 200+ is a much bigger bogy than 180+,
you
need a very special car to reach 200+ with ease --- ask
Mclaren.
Jim
berry
============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Sam Shelat <
sshelat@erols.com>
> >I
would assume some of the heavily modded cars with the big
> >turbos,
intercoolers etc. etc would be in the 190+ range. 200 mph
>
>requires some special prep --- aero packages [ wheel covers and
>
>the removal of mirrors for example], special tires and lots of
safety
> >equipment.
> >
> The twin turbo Ligenfelter
vette did over 200mph on a super speedway type
> track in stock body with
some Penske race shocks and better brakes. That
> car did not even
have a wing--looked like a stock C5. Our cars are a little
>
aerodynamically challenged
>
> Sam
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:29:01
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: changing 6th
This discussion reminds me of my old 1972 Datsun
510 rally car.
With its stock engine and stock rear end, it would go
nearly as fast in 3rd
as it would in 4th -- about 90 in 3rd and 95 mph in
4th. That's because it
could turn 7000 in 3rd, but only 5500 or so in
4th.
When we put in a 4:44 240Z limited slip to replace the old 3.X stock
diff,
it would do 100 mph, because we could now pull 7000 rpm in 4th
gear. With
the 4:44, it also LEAPED off the start line on stages.
Kinda weird that
lowering the rear axle ratio made it faster at both ends.
>
Only got it to 100 mph twice on a rally: once on the Sno*drift rally
in
Michican in February, on "Flying Volvo" stage, a paved road covered
with
snow and black ice (extra-long carbide studs on all four wheels
are
wonderful!); and once across a farmer's field in Alabama on the Rallye
du
Noir.
Yeah, we really buzzed that old stock 1600 cc Datsun engine.
As the night
wore on and we got about 300+ miles of WOT on it, the engine
would loosen
up and the rpm would start creeping up to nearly 8,000. I
suspect that we
gave Japanese engineers nightmares the way we abused that
poor engine.
Nevertheless, that was the most bulletproof engine ever built. I
never
heard of anyone breaking a 510 engine on a rally, and nearly 90% of
the
rally cars in those days were 510s. Man, what a great car!
Sigh.
Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.
Rich/old poop
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 19:39:15
-0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <
gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S:
Re: EGT's (Exhaust Gas Temperature) was: changing 6th
I know there is
some more to that. I know that if you are running on the
rich side your
engine is cooled by the evaporating fuel and this is very
good. If you are
running on the lean side, this does not happen and this is
bad. If you are
running lean, you are more prone to detonation. You can
burn a hole in a
piston if you run like this for long, I have done this on
my dirt bike. I am
not sure if you need to have detonation to burn a hole
or a just lean
mixture will do the job.
EGT sensors are installed before the turbos.
They will tell you if you are
running too lean or detonating. I do not think
that watching EGT is a sure
way of detecting detonation, but it will tell
you when your pistons are
about to melt.
I probably did not cover
everything, someone please add what I have missed.
Philip
At 02:09
PM 8/3/2001, BlackLight wrote:
>I have just a few quick questions, first
of all, is the EGT just another
>way of measuring how hot your engine is
running (since the stock
>thermostat doesn't tell you too much) or is
there more to it than that.
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Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:18:20
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Tuning a Blitz DSBC
My dad, Rich the "Old Poop," says that my 91
Stealth R/T TT is slower than
his 94 Mitsubishi VR4. He says that my boost
controller is turned down way
too much.
I have the warn limiter set
for 1 bar, and the ratio is at 49 and the gain
is set at 13. I do not have an
aftermarket boost guage so I don't know what
the PSI/boost pressure is. (The
boost guage WILL be here eventually...)
Can anyone give me some ratio
and gain settings that will give me some good
boost? At least up to stock so
I can beat the "Old Poop!"
I am just learning about this Blitz Boost
Controller, and I have read the
instructions that I downloaded from a
website. I don't fully understand
what I'm supposed to be looking for.
Help!
Cathi (the "beautiful daughter")
91 Stealth R/T Twin
Turbo
Blitz DSBC, Gutted Cats, Borla, Eibach springs, K&N
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