Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Wednesday, July 18 2001   Volume 01 : Number 550




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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:32:10 -0600
From: "dollen@mac.com" <dollen@mac.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hired Guns

At some point in my meager little life I will put together enough money to
my 3000GT. When I do I would be willing to pay some one to check it out
for me before I hand over the money for it.

Thus, I thought it may be worth while to have a listing of people, by
location who are both able and willing.

In the event that I am alone on this I would like to put out a call for
3000GT knowledgeable people in Colorado who are for hire in the
aforementioned regard.

Cameron

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:29:49 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tires

My 94 VR4 runs 245/45-17 Kuhmo race tires/Michelin Pilot street tires.
I have Eibach springs and the Ground Control adjustable suspension, and my
car is lowered as much as feasible.
I note that the tires barely clear the front struts when lowered. If the
tire was any wider, it would hit the lower spring perch.
I don't recall any clearance problems in the rear.

My advice to you is NOT to go to a wider tire if you are planning to lower
the car.

Possibilities:
If you install spacers to push the front wheels out a half-inch, you'd have
a better chance of clearing the strut.
Or, you could cut the lower spring perch off (you don't need them with
Eibachs).

Maybe you should install the Eibach kit first, before you order tires, and
see how much clearance you have.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4


At 04:21 PM 7/17/01 -0500, Hawkinson's wrote:
>I was looking at plus sizing my stock tires.  I know that I want 17" rims,
>but that is all I know.  I have read the FAQ page at least 5 times, but I am
>still in need of some advise.  I am getting an Eibach pro-kit suspension
>upgrade, and I was wondering what the best size tire is????
>I looked at a 245/45-17, but I don't know if this is the best wheel for my
>car.  Would a 245/40-17 be better??  I would REALLY like some advise on what
>size to consider.Thanks A lot.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tires

> Possibilities:
> If you install spacers to push the front wheels out a half-inch, you'd have
> a better chance of clearing the strut.
> Or, you could cut the lower spring perch off (you don't need them with
> Eibachs).
- ---
I'll also be impossible to install yer lug nuts as well.  You'll have to
replace the studs with longer ones with ANY spacer to be safe.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:46:58 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tires

But of course.
Spacer and longer studs all come in a kit.
At least mine did.
Rich

At 02:56 PM 7/17/01 -0700, Geoff Mohler wrote:
>> Possibilities:
>> If you install spacers to push the front wheels out a half-inch, you'd have
>> a better chance of clearing the strut.
>> Or, you could cut the lower spring perch off (you don't need them with
>> Eibachs).
>---
>I'll also be impossible to install yer lug nuts as well.  You'll have to
>replace the studs with longer ones with ANY spacer to be safe.
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:54:45 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU upgrade

AAM seems to be the ones making all the fuel component kits for our car.  Or
you could just get a aircraft style plumbing and make your own and get the
rail ported (or AAM makes an upgraded one)

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
To: Roger Gerl (RTEC) <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU upgrade


>Regarding fuel system upgrades, were is everyone getting larger rails,
>regulators, and larger feed and return lines? Has anyone used the K&N
>high flow filter?
>
>Rich
>92 Stealth TT
>
>"Roger Gerl (RTEC)" wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah, Brian wasn't too positive about the Haltech. He said it only
works
>> > in batch fire mode for the 6 cyclinder engine and limits injector
>> > selection.
>>
>> Hmm, I doubt this as it is a tuning problem for sure. It definitely isn't
>> easy at all !
>>
>> > Injector limitations with the G-Force too.
>>
>> No, they aren't a limiting factor as the G-Force EPROMS are fully
>> programmable. But this is also the weak point as to find the correct
>> map-values you have to tune it in on a dyno or so and this is complicated
>> for many people. Therefore a self-tuning tool is more interesting.
>>
>> Roger
>> 93'3000GT TT
>> www.rtec.ch

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:20:46 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel system modifications

> AAM seems to be the ones making all the fuel component kits
> for our car.  Or you could just get a aircraft style plumbing
> and make your own and get the rail ported (or AAM makes an
> upgraded one)

I'm redoing mine and following the template from the DSM guys...

http://www.stevetek.com/R-FuelSys.html

I'm debating on whether or not I should try to use AN10 from the fuel pump
or if AN06 is sufficient.  I haven't even bothered to look at the stock line
sizes yet though, since my motor has kept me busy to this point.  Figured
I'd do the fuel stuff while I'm waiting for the motor parts.

I'd guess that the line is the same as the DSM stuff (3/16" ID) since the
filter on the 3/S is virtually the same as the DSM fuel filter (2 lpm - WAY
low).

Modifications to the DSM design that I'm considering would be to do:

10AN line from fuel pump to filter
10AN line fomr filter to a "Y"
06AN lines from "Y" to each rail
06AN lines from rail ends to a "Y"
10AN line from "Y" to fuel pressure sender adaptor Tee
10AN line from adaptor to adjustable FPR
10AN line return to fuel tank

I'm not sure though if all the 10AN would help more than 06AN - it'd
certainly be easier to stick with 06AN all the way through.  You could also
loop the ends of the fuel rails together with 06AN and even still use the
stock FPR, but I want to use an aftermarket FPR so I can put my fuel
pressure sender after the rails.

That little wimpy piece of tubing between the rails can't be good for high
flow rates though.

To do the "whole shootin' match" the DSM way with 06AN from the pump and
flow through the rails sequentially and use the stock FPR its about $225
through Jeg's for the parts.  To just do the weak rail loop is $52.

I dunno...  Thoughts or ideas?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:33:44 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: Team3S: DSM Shootout Rules/Info

Here's some last-minute info for anyone going to the Shootout.  There are
now two classes for 3/S - 3000GT/Stealth and 3000GT/Stealth Quick-8.  Very
sweet!

Make sure you thank David for letting us run at the Shootout!

Oh, and I'll pay for copies of any video you guys shoot there of 3/S classes
and DSM Q8 and DSM Powered classes.  :-)

Best of luck to anyone who is going!  Make us look good!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
"Wish I was there..."


Subject: IMPORTANT RULE CHANGES!!!!!! READ READ READ
From:    The4Bangr <The4Bangr@aol.com>
Date:    17 Jul 2001 11:06:40
- ----------------------------------------------------

Hi guys,

I have made quite a few changes to the Shootout rules.  They should be
better
for everyone.  We will be handing out papers at the gate.  MAKE SURE YOU
READ
THE ENTIRE PAPER.  Below you will find the largest changes I have made.  You
will also get a run down of what is happening for the weekend.  Sorry this
came so late.  I am just swamped with life and work.  Sorry.

Gates open at 8 am on Friday.  Close at 5 pm.  We must leave the track right
at 5 pm.

You can only compete in ONE class at the shootout.

If you qualify for a Q8 class YOU MUST compete in the Q8.

QUICK 8 CLASSES, BRACKET CLASSES AND DSM POWERED are the only classes that
do
not have to have a complete factory interior.  They are also the only
classes
that do not have to have exhaust or factory windows.

STOCK APPEARING.  This class is only open to the 1G cars.  Must have a FULL
factory interior.  Any fuel management is allowed as long as you retain the
factory airbox with two mounting points.  NO Front mounts or externals, no
aftermarket fuel pressure regulators.

NON TURBO.  Any and all mods allowed EXCEPT FOR THE ADDITION OF A TURBO.

DS ELIMINATOR.  Open to all Elicpses, Talons and Lasers.

2nd Generation.  This is now the 2G version of STOCK APPEARING.  2G cars
only.  NO 1g head swaps, intake swaps or 1G engine swaps.

FRONT WHEEL DRIVE.  This is the FWD version of DS Eliminator.

3000GT/STEALTH.  Any mods allowed.

3000GT/STEALTH QUICK 8.  Quickest 8 cars qualify.

There is no longer any minimum weights since we never have weighed a car.
BUT THE CARS MUST meet the rules as to appearance.  So if you have a car
that
looks complete but weighs 1,000 pounds that is fine with me.

Immediately following the Shootout there will be awards given out, technical
questions answered and the dyno will be available for $25 per pull all at
Buschur Racing.  We are located on Route 20, about 10 miles east of the
racetrack.  There will be cold pop/soda free.  We will also be selling parts
if anyone needs something.

SATURDAY is also full of things to do.  The gates open at the SOUTH end of
the track on Rt. 18 at 8 am.  The autocross and car show will go on all day
long.  Following the show/autocross is the infamous BONFIRE.  It is open to
anyone with a GOOD and FUN attitude.  IF you don't have that DON'T show up!
It is held in an open field in Wakeman.  To get there take Rt. 20 east from
the track.  Turn right (south) on Rt. 60.  Follow it out of town, you will
cross Rt. 303.  After crossing Rt. 303 at the edge of town go to the next
road and go left.  The road is Chenango Rd. and it only goes to the left.
Continue down Chenango for about 2 miles.  The field is on the left, you
will
see a fairly large garden right next to the road RIGHT before where you have
to turn into the field.  The party starts at 7 pm.  Its a good time.  DO NOT
PARK IN THE GARDEN, DO NOT TURF MY GRASS, DO NOT PARK TO CLOSE TO THE FIRE.
Also, Chenango is a very hilly, narrow road.  I live on this road.  DO NOT
DRIVE LIKE ASSHOLES.  I would prefer to keep the Sheriff's away so we can
drink and have fun.

That's about it guys.  Thanks alot, hope to see a record turn out this year
and a record amount of FUN.

David Buschur
Buschur Racing, Inc.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:27:59 -0400
From: "Dennis and Anita Moore" <stealth@quixnet.net>
Subject: Team3S: Fredericksburg anyone?

Hi folks,

Any of you live near Fredericksburg, VA?  I'd like to hear some suggestions
on where to take my 93 Stealth ES for its 60K maintenance and a clutch
replacement.  Perhaps more importantly, some suggestions on places NOT to
take it...

So as not to clog the list, please reply to me privately.

Thanks.

Dennis Moore
93 Stealth ES

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:45:21 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tires

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>

> My 94 VR4 runs 245/45-17 Kuhmo race tires/Michelin Pilot street tires.
> I have Eibach springs and the Ground Control adjustable suspension, and my
> car is lowered as much as feasible.
> I note that the tires barely clear the front struts when lowered. If the
> tire was any wider, it would hit the lower spring perch.

I thought you had the GC camber plates --- if so you can adjust the stock camber
setting to max positive, which should give you increased clearance at the tire/strut
area and then set your GC camber plate to your desired negative camber. I'm not
sure what the maximum tire size would be, but I'm running 255 with no problems.

        Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:16:58 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: I am in BIG trouble now

My baby girl and her husband flew down to Miami and drove back an
absolutely cherry, tomato red 91 Stealth TT. It has only 41,000 miles and
all the goodies -- Blitz DSBC, Borla, 17 in. wheels, lowered suspension and
gutted cats.  She bought it to be her open track car, because her husband
was getting downright protective about his 99 Mustang SVT Cobra.

I tried to convince her to join Flash, Mike, Chuck and me at Heartland Park
in August, but she says she wants to get used to the car first. So it looks
like we'll be running together at OktoberFast at Road America in October,
unless we can find a suitable event before that.

In any case, the ranks of our Stealth/VR4 road racers has been increased by
one very fast little girl.

Rich/old poop/proud papa

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:35:32 -0500
From: "Brady" <HOSTILE@apex2000.net>
Subject: Team3S: Mods for a stock es?

What is the first mod I should put on a stock es with 99k?

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:17:10 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: I am in BIG trouble now

Hey Rich,

off topic, but do you know the stock proportional settings for the
brake bias in these cars. I'm thinking its 80% front, 20% rear based on
brake wear etc.?

Rich
92 Stealth TT

Merritt wrote:
>
> My baby girl and her husband flew down to Miami and drove back an
> absolutely cherry, tomato red 91 Stealth TT. It has only 41,000 miles and
> all the goodies -- Blitz DSBC, Borla, 17 in. wheels, lowered suspension and
> gutted cats.  She bought it to be her open track car, because her husband
> was getting downright protective about his 99 Mustang SVT Cobra.
>
> I tried to convince her to join Flash, Mike, Chuck and me at Heartland Park
> in August, but she says she wants to get used to the car first. So it looks
> like we'll be running together at OktoberFast at Road America in October,
> unless we can find a suitable event before that.
>
> In any case, the ranks of our Stealth/VR4 road racers has been increased by
> one very fast little girl.
>
> Rich/old poop/proud papa

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:25:46 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: I am in BIG trouble now

I don't think it is that much.  Nobody would make that much of a difference.
It must be more like 65/35.  The fronts wear more because the car pitches
forward throwing some 3,000 pounds toward the front and the rear experiences
nearly nothing.  Just drive down the street in reverse at 80 mph and slam on
the brakes.  Then the rears will wear down as badly as the fronts.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

P.S. DO not attempt to drive down the road -- it was hypothetical

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:17 PM
To: Merritt
Cc: 3sracers@speedtoys.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: I am in BIG trouble now

Hey Rich,

off topic, but do you know the stock proportional settings for the
brake bias in these cars. I'm thinking its 80% front, 20% rear based on
brake wear etc.?

Rich
92 Stealth TT

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:36:48 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods for a stock es?

Technically it depends on what you are doing (drag race, open track,
touring, show car, etc.).

Regardless it should probably be the air filter (K&N).

For drag cars it will be a front-mounted intercooler (since you don't have
turbos which would call for a boost controller).
For open track road racing it should be Big Red brakes.
For touring it should be a compliment of CDs and a recharge on the A/C unit.
For show car it should be car detailing every week.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 being setup for the open track
www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Brady
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:36 PM

What is the first mod I should put on a stock es with 99k?

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:11:03 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Twin Turbo Stealth w. Auto trans.

I have no idea of this post qualifies for this list, but here it is anyway.

In my quest to find an R/T TT I ran across this ad.  According to the ad It
is a 1994 Twin Turbo Stealth equipped with an automatic transmission.

According to legend a few of these were produced for Chrysler execs, or
something like that.  I don't think I've ever seen this substantiated.
Maybe this is true.  Below is a link to the ad.  Remember that you have to
cut and paste all the lines together.  I have not called on this ad to
verify if it is indeed true.

Oskar

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=69114592&dealer_id=&
certified=n&max_price=&start_year=1994&end_year=1994&address=55442&search_ty
pe=used&make=DODGE&model=STEAL&distance=&car_year=1994&ac_afflt=none&borscht
id=14719006980144904311

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: race videos

http://www.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/Thill-6-30-01/

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jim Berry wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
> > My Thill videos are going online in about 10 minutes...
> >
>
> Well where are they ??????
>
>         Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:26:53 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Twin Turbo Stealth w. Auto trans.

Nowhere in the ad does it actually state that the car has an automatic
transmission.  It says "rare auto" which could easily be construed to mean
it is a rare autombile.  In the context of the ad where it states it has a 6
speed well before the "rare auto" blurb, I would presume that statement does
not refer to the transmission.  I can see the confusion, but it doesn't make
sense in my opinion.

Although an automatic may be possible, I rather doubt this is anything other
than a TT with a six speed transmission.  I had not heard the lore regarding
automatics in TTs and I highly doubt it would have been a six speed in any
case since I do not believe Chrysler makes (or has available) one from which
to choose.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> I have no idea of this post qualifies for this list, but here it
> is anyway.
>
> In my quest to find an R/T TT I ran across this ad.  According to
> the ad It
> is a 1994 Twin Turbo Stealth equipped with an automatic transmission.
>
> According to legend a few of these were produced for Chrysler execs, or
> something like that.  I don't think I've ever seen this substantiated.
> Maybe this is true.  Below is a link to the ad.  Remember that you have to
> cut and paste all the lines together.  I have not called on this ad to
> verify if it is indeed true.
>
> Oskar
>
> http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=69114592&d
> ealer_id=&
> certified=n&max_price=&start_year=1994&end_year=1994&address=55442
> &search_ty
> pe=used&make=DODGE&model=STEAL&distance=&car_year=1994&ac_afflt=no
> ne&borscht
> id=14719006980144904311

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:31:00 -0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Twin Turbo Stealth w. Auto trans.

Here is the text of the ad for anyone who has problems with that massive
link:

1994 DODGE STEALTH RT, TWIN TURBO, 6spd, all wheel drive, 64000 miles, nice
& fast, rare auto, $13000

Am I the only one who sees the problem with this?

Jeff V.
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Oskar
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:11 AM
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Twin Turbo Stealth w. Auto trans.

I have no idea of this post qualifies for this list, but here it is anyway.

In my quest to find an R/T TT I ran across this ad.  According to the ad It
is a 1994 Twin Turbo Stealth equipped with an automatic transmission.

According to legend a few of these were produced for Chrysler execs, or
something like that.  I don't think I've ever seen this substantiated.
Maybe this is true.  Below is a link to the ad.  Remember that you have to
cut and paste all the lines together.  I have not called on this ad to
verify if it is indeed true.

Oskar

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=69114592&dealer_id=&
certified=n&max_price=&start_year=1994&end_year=1994&address=55442&search_ty
pe=used&make=DODGE&model=STEAL&distance=&car_year=1994&ac_afflt=none&borscht
id=14719006980144904311

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:36:33 -0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: Team3S: Automatic AWD transmissions

There were two Stealth turbos produced with "W" code transmissions.  One had
Federal emissions, the other had California.  No one knows for sure, but the
speculation is that these were prototypes for the never-sold-in-North
America automatic AWD.  Mitsubishi does indeed have an automatic AWD
gearbox.  It was found in the Japanese market GTO SR model.  AWD, non turbo.
5 spd trans standard, 4 spd auto optional.

Jeff V.
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com


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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:43:34 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Twin Turbo Stealth w. Auto trans.

Oops - my bad.  For some reason I failed to see the 6-spd.  Please don't
slap my hand - I'll do it myself.
Oskar


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
To: "Team3S" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Twin Turbo Stealth w. Auto trans.


> Nowhere in the ad does it actually state that the car has an automatic
> transmission.  It says "rare auto" which could easily be construed to mean
> it is a rare autombile.  In the context of the ad where it states it has a
6
> speed well before the "rare auto" blurb, I would presume that statement
does
> not refer to the transmission.  I can see the confusion, but it doesn't
make
> sense in my opinion.
>
> Although an automatic may be possible, I rather doubt this is anything
other
> than a TT with a six speed transmission.  I had not heard the lore
regarding
> automatics in TTs and I highly doubt it would have been a six speed in any
> case since I do not believe Chrysler makes (or has available) one from
which
> to choose.
>
>
> Barry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I have no idea of this post qualifies for this list, but here it
> > is anyway.
> >
> > In my quest to find an R/T TT I ran across this ad.  According to
> > the ad It
> > is a 1994 Twin Turbo Stealth equipped with an automatic transmission.
> >
> > According to legend a few of these were produced for Chrysler execs, or
> > something like that.  I don't think I've ever seen this substantiated.
> > Maybe this is true.  Below is a link to the ad.  Remember that you have
to
> > cut and paste all the lines together.  I have not called on this ad to
> > verify if it is indeed true.
> >
> > Oskar
> >
> > http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=69114592&d
> > ealer_id=&
> > certified=n&max_price=&start_year=1994&end_year=1994&address=55442
> > &search_ty
> > pe=used&make=DODGE&model=STEAL&distance=&car_year=1994&ac_afflt=no
> > ne&borscht
> > id=14719006980144904311

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:50:10 -0700
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Motor pictures

OUCH!  Did I miss it, or did you ever tell us "what" or "how" this happened?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:08 PM
Subject: Team3S: Motor pictures


> For those of you that were interested in seeing pictures of the damage to
my
> motor, here's the first batch of the internals...  Ugh.  This is not going
> to be a fun project...
>
> http://people.mn.mediaone.net/mjannusch/index.htm
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:15:25 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods for a stock es?

> Regardless it should probably be the air filter (K&N).

Agreed...  Also if it contains the resonator on the intake pipe that can be
removed to possibly give a few more ponies on the top-end.

> For drag cars it will be a front-mounted intercooler
> (since you don't have turbos which would call for a
> boost controller).

No turbos means no intercooler.  Perhaps some form of cold-air intake would
help, but an intercooler would be overkill and probably provide more
restriction in the intake than its worth on a naturally-aspirated car.

> For open track road racing it should be Big Red brakes.

....or on a ES you could upgrade to VR4/TT brakes and have sufficient
braking since there's quite a bit less weight to slow down.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:21:13 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods for a stock es?

Thanks, Matt.

> No turbos means no intercooler.

Sorry - I meant a radiator that will cool the car and create good cold air
or combine that with a cold air intake.


>....or on a ES you could upgrade to VR4/TT brakes and have sufficient
> braking since there's quite a bit less weight to slow down.

I think we've discovered that ALL levels of 3/S cars can benefit from Big
Reds and not the second gen VR-4 brakes.  Or better cooling rotors
(directionally veined perhaps like Supra or Porsche rotors).

- --Flash!

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:28:10 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures

> OUCH!  Did I miss it, or did you ever tell us "what"
> or "how" this happened?

I thought I posted something on it before, but maybe that was just to the
local Minnesota list.

Basically a couple months ago I had HKS intercoolers put on, and the 60K
service done.  The shop that put the intercoolers on didn't notice that the
couple extra mounting holes in the intercoolers went all the way through the
endtanks so they didn't put bolts in the holes since there was no bracket to
bolt them to on my car.  My car was sucking in dirt, sand, etc. whenever not
on boost (and I was having a hell of a time adjusting my ARC-2).

At one of the MN 3/S gatherings I took Oskar for a ride in the car to let
him feel the 15G's and went down an entrance ramp, through 2nd gear to
redline and through 3rd to redline.  At the top of 3rd I let off the gas and
the car bucked a little bit and then the motor just plain quit.  We coasted
off to the shoulder and the car wouldn't start.  I thought maybe the Y-pipe
popped off (never happened to me, but there's always a first time).  We
looked there first and the Y-pipe was still fine.  Checked the visible
joints on the HKS pipe kit - that looked okay.  Tried to start the car and
it actually did start, but was only running on four cylinders (or so).
Drove it a short distance to Oskar's house and pulled the plugs.  Two of the
plugs' electrodes were smashed into the ceramic insulator.

We looked into the bores with a small flashlight and the piston crowns
themselves looked perfect, so I decided to just try putting new plugs in.
Put them in and the car worked perfectly.  Took the car home and re-pulled
the plugs and performed compression tests on all six cylinders.  All were
between 145 and 150 psi - no problems there.  While I was working on it, I
decided to do an intake leak test so I built one of Vineet's pressure
testers and hooked it up.  Putting 20 psi of pressure into the intake
resulted in 0 psi in the intake - that's how I discovered the open bolt
holes in the intercoolers.  Plugged those holes with appropriate
bolts/lockwashers/loctite so that's fixed.  The shop said HKS made a change
to the intercooler design and didn't tell them.  Bummer for me.

So I drove the car for a couple months with no problems, when I did the same
thing as when the initial trouble occured...  Same set of circumstances and
this time the car did the same things, but a knocking sound accompanied the
rest of the bad things.  I stopped the car and got it home.  Did the same
set of diagnostic steps and when I tested compression the rear bank was down
substantially (I don't have the figures in front of me, but the #4 cylinder
was 115 psi and was the worst of the six).

At that point I decided to tear down the motor and find out what's going on
and that's what resulted in the pictures on my website.  Both times it
happened I was seeing high O2 voltages (above .95v) and was spraying water
injection with boost at about 17 psi.  The strange thing is that it ran
great while on the gas, it was just after letting off the throttle when the
problems happened both times.  I think the initial incident caused the
problem and the second time is when the problem spread enough to actually
break apart the pistons.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: 17 Jul 2001 22:47:38 -0700
From: kristie1@thesimpsons.com
Subject: Team3S: NOS System Setup

Does anyone know about where we could get the best price on a NOS setup for our cars?
Kristie

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:12:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NOS System Setup

NOS isnt something youbuy like spark plugs for the best price.

Find local shop that knows this stuff, and work -with- them on the kit,
what you want out of it, and to learn from.

its a whole new ball game.

On 17 Jul 2001 kristie1@thesimpsons.com wrote:

> Does anyone know about where we could get the best price on a NOS setup for our cars?
> Kristie

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Date: 18 Jul 2001 06:18:09 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: supra fuel pump on Ebay current $128 ends today

I found a supra twint turbo fuel pump(toyota #23221-46110, = denso #195130-1020) on e-bay that ends today for $128.  It is new, and being sold by a guy who was going to install it in his MR-2.

Below is the link,  I was going to buy it because it was a great deal but my modifications don't need it yet...

http://mail.altavista.com//jump/http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593362377

Are there any side effects to installing a high flow pump?  I was thinking of installing this pump with stock injectors.
Jeff Lucius' site listed that this pump was as quiet as stock.  The fuel economy shouldn't change unless my stock fuel pump was leaning out the engine.

John Monnin
jkmonnin@altavista.com


Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
http://www.shopping.altavista.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:46:54 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures

Please tell me this shop is taking some responsibility, and paying for
part of your piston damage.  It sounds like it may have been a major
factor.  The engine would never have known the correct amount of air in
the system, and there's no telling what effect it would have had on your
pistons...

- -Cody 

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jannusch, Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:28 AM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures


> OUCH!  Did I miss it, or did you ever tell us "what"
> or "how" this happened?

I thought I posted something on it before, but maybe that was just to
the
local Minnesota list.

Basically a couple months ago I had HKS intercoolers put on, and the 60K
service done.  The shop that put the intercoolers on didn't notice that
the
couple extra mounting holes in the intercoolers went all the way through
the
endtanks so they didn't put bolts in the holes since there was no
bracket to
bolt them to on my car.  My car was sucking in dirt, sand, etc. whenever
not
on boost (and I was having a hell of a time adjusting my ARC-2).

At one of the MN 3/S gatherings I took Oskar for a ride in the car to
let
him feel the 15G's and went down an entrance ramp, through 2nd gear to
redline and through 3rd to redline.  At the top of 3rd I let off the gas
and
the car bucked a little bit and then the motor just plain quit.  We
coasted
off to the shoulder and the car wouldn't start.  I thought maybe the
Y-pipe
popped off (never happened to me, but there's always a first time).  We
looked there first and the Y-pipe was still fine.  Checked the visible
joints on the HKS pipe kit - that looked okay.  Tried to start the car
and
it actually did start, but was only running on four cylinders (or so).
Drove it a short distance to Oskar's house and pulled the plugs.  Two of
the
plugs' electrodes were smashed into the ceramic insulator.

We looked into the bores with a small flashlight and the piston crowns
themselves looked perfect, so I decided to just try putting new plugs
in.
Put them in and the car worked perfectly.  Took the car home and
re-pulled
the plugs and performed compression tests on all six cylinders.  All
were
between 145 and 150 psi - no problems there.  While I was working on it,
I
decided to do an intake leak test so I built one of Vineet's pressure
testers and hooked it up.  Putting 20 psi of pressure into the intake
resulted in 0 psi in the intake - that's how I discovered the open bolt
holes in the intercoolers.  Plugged those holes with appropriate
bolts/lockwashers/loctite so that's fixed.  The shop said HKS made a
change
to the intercooler design and didn't tell them.  Bummer for me.

So I drove the car for a couple months with no problems, when I did the
same
thing as when the initial trouble occured...  Same set of circumstances
and
this time the car did the same things, but a knocking sound accompanied
the
rest of the bad things.  I stopped the car and got it home.  Did the
same
set of diagnostic steps and when I tested compression the rear bank was
down
substantially (I don't have the figures in front of me, but the #4
cylinder
was 115 psi and was the worst of the six).

At that point I decided to tear down the motor and find out what's going
on
and that's what resulted in the pictures on my website.  Both times it
happened I was seeing high O2 voltages (above .95v) and was spraying
water
injection with boost at about 17 psi.  The strange thing is that it ran
great while on the gas, it was just after letting off the throttle when
the
problems happened both times.  I think the initial incident caused the
problem and the second time is when the problem spread enough to
actually
break apart the pistons.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:57:07 -0700
From: Robert Koch <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures

As god as my witness ....... I will never let a "Dealer" touch my car. Even
with the drive thru oil changing places I find myself upset with the sloppy
work of those guys as well. Loose oil drain plugs, too much oil...not
enough oil. "hey your car is done....1,200.00 please and here is a small
box of left over bolts that you get as a "bonus"............now will that
be cash or charge?"

My recent episode with a Dodge dealer that wanted me to replace my master
cylinder for 450.00 only to stumble across the fusible link for a whopping
$9.28. (god bless this board)
I have been seriously considering painting my hood to remove a bad rock
chip problem and will turn my garage into a booth.........My mistakes don't
upset me, they teach me. It would push me over the edge to pay a shop
400.00 to paint my hood and have sags in the clear coat or orange peel.

In short, I find the information on this board both educational to
entertaining. Kudo's for all who help.

JMHO....I'm off the box now

Bob K.
93' R/T
FIPK KV85's
Bradi cross drilled and slotted rotors
New 17" wheels and 245/45's by Monday
.......to be continued
Supporting wife.....:)

- -----Original Message-----
From: cody [SMTP:overclck@starband.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:47 PM
To: 'Jannusch, Matt'; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures

Please tell me this shop is taking some responsibility, and paying for
part of your piston damage.  It sounds like it may have been a major
factor.  The engine would never have known the correct amount of air in
the system, and there's no telling what effect it would have had on your
pistons...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jannusch, Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:28 AM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures


> OUCH!  Did I miss it, or did you ever tell us "what"
> or "how" this happened?

I thought I posted something on it before, but maybe that was just to
the
local Minnesota list.

Basically a couple months ago I had HKS intercoolers put on, and the 60K
service done.  The shop that put the intercoolers on didn't notice that
the
couple extra mounting holes in the intercoolers went all the way through
the
endtanks so they didn't put bolts in the holes since there was no
bracket to
bolt them to on my car.  My car was sucking in dirt, sand, etc. whenever
not
on boost (and I was having a hell of a time adjusting my ARC-2).

At one of the MN 3/S gatherings I took Oskar for a ride in the car to
let
him feel the 15G's and went down an entrance ramp, through 2nd gear to
redline and through 3rd to redline.  At the top of 3rd I let off the gas
and
the car bucked a little bit and then the motor just plain quit.  We
coasted
off to the shoulder and the car wouldn't start.  I thought maybe the
Y-pipe
popped off (never happened to me, but there's always a first time).  We
looked there first and the Y-pipe was still fine.  Checked the visible
joints on the HKS pipe kit - that looked okay.  Tried to start the car
and
it actually did start, but was only running on four cylinders (or so).
Drove it a short distance to Oskar's house and pulled the plugs.  Two of
the
plugs' electrodes were smashed into the ceramic insulator.

We looked into the bores with a small flashlight and the piston crowns
themselves looked perfect, so I decided to just try putting new plugs
in.
Put them in and the car worked perfectly.  Took the car home and
re-pulled
the plugs and performed compression tests on all six cylinders.  All
were
between 145 and 150 psi - no problems there.  While I was working on it,
I
decided to do an intake leak test so I built one of Vineet's pressure
testers and hooked it up.  Putting 20 psi of pressure into the intake
resulted in 0 psi in the intake - that's how I discovered the open bolt
holes in the intercoolers.  Plugged those holes with appropriate
bolts/lockwashers/loctite so that's fixed.  The shop said HKS made a
change
to the intercooler design and didn't tell them.  Bummer for me.

So I drove the car for a couple months with no problems, when I did the
same
thing as when the initial trouble occured...  Same set of circumstances
and
this time the car did the same things, but a knocking sound accompanied
the
rest of the bad things.  I stopped the car and got it home.  Did the
same
set of diagnostic steps and when I tested compression the rear bank was
down
substantially (I don't have the figures in front of me, but the #4
cylinder
was 115 psi and was the worst of the six).

At that point I decided to tear down the motor and find out what's going
on
and that's what resulted in the pictures on my website.  Both times it
happened I was seeing high O2 voltages (above .95v) and was spraying
water
injection with boost at about 17 psi.  The strange thing is that it ran
great while on the gas, it was just after letting off the throttle when
the
problems happened both times.  I think the initial incident caused the
problem and the second time is when the problem spread enough to
actually
break apart the pistons.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:05:54 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures

> As god as my witness ....... I will never let a "Dealer"
> touch my car.

Unfortunately, in my case it was one of the very well-known 3/S shops who
did the work.  On a brighter note though, they did the timing belt
replacement perfectly.  I'm not going to name names until there's either a
positive resolution or a negative one though.  Gotta give them a chance to
"make things right", so I'm hopeful on getting the positive resolution.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:10:45 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures

I hope they are reading this - but I would hate to see another 3/S
shop's name go in my "never call or buy from them list"  as I already
have two of them...  I hop they realize how much of an opportunity they
have to either make ~real~ good, or ~real~ bad on what they have done...
Wonder if the shops know how much we rely on each others experiences on
here....

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Jannusch, Matt
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:06 AM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Motor pictures


> As god as my witness ....... I will never let a "Dealer"
> touch my car.

Unfortunately, in my case it was one of the very well-known 3/S shops
who
did the work.  On a brighter note though, they did the timing belt
replacement perfectly.  I'm not going to name names until there's either
a
positive resolution or a negative one though.  Gotta give them a chance
to
"make things right", so I'm hopeful on getting the positive resolution.


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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:56:32 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Skip Barber Racing/Driving School?

Dave,

I had a friend go to either a Skip Barber school or something similar where
they used Formula Ford or Formula Mazda.  Regardless they were the small
miniature F1 cars and open cockpit.  He said those taught you more because
you could see the suspension, wheels, tires, etc. in real time when a car
does not show this.

The problem is for a DE you need to have your own car and Dave's is in the
shop now.  That also means a driving school supplies their own cars and you
are more prone to spin them off the track since it is not your car.

What these driving events do teach though is how to set the car up properly
(or how not to set it up) but bleeding brakes, flushing radiators,
suspension, tires, wheels, etc.  I learn just as much about driving at these
things than I do on maintenance on the car, how to set it up better next
time and things like that.

I do agree though that seat time is better.  I have been to two driving
events with the Porsche club and would love to have more and more available.
However, it is hard sometimes to get into the local Porsche, BMW, Audi, etc.
club for these and you might have an easier time getting into TrackTime,
Driving Ambitions, etc. driving schools.

The last instructor I had teaches in one of these if you would like his name
(email me privately).

- --Flash!
dschlberg@pobox.com
www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-3sracers@speedtoys.com
[mailto:owner-3sracers@speedtoys.com]On Behalf Of Willis, Charles E.
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:34 PM

The Skip Barber School has a good reputation.  However, I still say that you
take the $4000, divide it into $200 increments and you attend 20 of the
two-day Drivers Education events at your local Porsche Club and you are
getting a better experience than five days in someone else's car.

Chuck Willis

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:13:15 -0400
From: Michael Reid <mreid@magma.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Right Front Tire Squeals

Thanks Chuck,

>How fast are you cornering on the street?  You can wear out the outer edges
>by aggressive driving, even if your alignment is correct.

Like a senior citizen most of the time... :) It appears only the right front
outside edge has a bit of extra wear.

>Of the four VR4's we've owned ALL had the right front wheel hanging down
>lower than the left front.
>
>My cars always squeal tires in the parking garages.

So this is a common problem ? From the factory or is something breaking in
a lot of TT's/VR-4's ?

Strangely, I tried to reproduce this problem with cold tires today and
couldn't.

I had a private email saying the lower control arm bushings might be shot.
I looked at the bushings as best I could and tried wiggling the tires/wheels
but no clues there.

I took a closer look at the sway bar links and noted that, with the car at
rest,
the drivers side link is tilted somewhat at the top to the center of the car,
while the passenger side link looks almost straight vertical.

Thanks,
Mike.

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:15:31 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Skip Barber Racing/Driving School?

> Anyone ever attend either Skip Barber Racing or Driving School?  I have
the chance to go to one of my choice within reason (probably under $4000)
and I'm not sure which one I should look into.  If anyone has any personal
experience with any of these, please let me know as I need to make the
decision by the end of the week.  Mucho Gracias!
> Dave '95 VR-4
> (Check out the ULTIMATE 3000GT/Stealth Resource at
> <http://www.daveblack.net>)
- ---------------------------

I did the driving school (ancient history - before it was a major industry),
but now you have to use some POS mid-size Mitsu or Dodge instead of your own
car.  It's pricey, but if you want a school, they are the best.  I
personally think that since you've got some track experience, you'd be
better off with running at every NASA event you can get to, and running with
one of the clubs who allow 'foreigners' (BMWCC, PACA, Vette club).  Get a
'mentor' (personal instructor - info on the NASA website) and work with them
about learning how to drive/race in *your* car.  {What Rich Merritt has been
doing for a couple of years at various tracks and with " 'ol farmer dude
Jeff Lacina" (a 'stanger') is a great model about learning how to race your
car}.  See our Team3S "Race Reports" Pages.  JMHO...

Best,

Forrest

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:01:06 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Right Front Tire Squeals

I don't think the right front tire hanging down lower is a problem, just a
"feature".

If only the right front tire has outer edge wear, I can't believe your
alignment is correct for that wheel.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Reid [SMTP:mreid@magma.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:13 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Cc: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org
> Subject: Right Front Tire Squeals
>
> Thanks Chuck,
>
> >How fast are you cornering on the street?  You can wear out the outer
> edges
> >by aggressive driving, even if your alignment is correct.
>
> Like a senior citizen most of the time... :) It appears only the right
> front
> outside edge has a bit of extra wear.
>
> >Of the four VR4's we've owned ALL had the right front wheel hanging down
> >lower than the left front.
> >
> >My cars always squeal tires in the parking garages.
>
> So this is a common problem ? From the factory or is something breaking in
> a lot of TT's/VR-4's ?
>
> Strangely, I tried to reproduce this problem with cold tires today and
> couldn't.
>
> I had a private email saying the lower control arm bushings might be shot.
> I looked at the bushings as best I could and tried wiggling the
> tires/wheels
> but no clues there.
>
> I took a closer look at the sway bar links and noted that, with the car at
> rest,
> the drivers side link is tilted somewhat at the top to the center of the
> car,
> while the passenger side link looks almost straight vertical.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike.

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