Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Friday, July 13
2001 Volume 01 : Number
546
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Date:
Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:04:45 -0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Flashing Tour/Sport light cure
My Tour/Sport light started
flashing on a trip to Chicago, so I checked it
out at a fuel stop.
Since I
have camber plates, I had removed the rubber covers over the
struts, so it
was easy to see the problem: The shock rod in the strut had
been rotating,
and it wrapped itself with the wires to the electronic
suspension.
Apparently, it had pulled the wires so tight that a connection
came loose.
I took a wrench and unwound the shock rod a half-turn, enough to loosen
the
wires and unwrap them. That solved the flashing light problem. If
anyone
else has a flashing light, you may want to look under the rubber
covers for
a similar problem.
Which brings up the question: Why
is my shock rod rotating? Do they all
spin around? Or is it because I have
camber plates and now nothing is
keeping the rod from rotating?
Rich/old poop
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:55:16
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject:
Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
Does anyone know which way the
tread is supposed to go on these tires?
I will have pictures later
tonight of them mounted on my wheels. I think
all four of them are
going the same way which means that two of them are
mounted backwards or
TireRack sent me four rights instead of two right and
two left.
-
--Flash!
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:03:23
-0400
From: Steve Lasher <
s_lasher@bellsouth.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Big reds & wheel clearance
For those of us with big reds, I
was under the impression that the stock
1st gen 17" VR-4 wheels would
fit. Veeeeery tight fit, but would fit
nonetheless - albeit for streeet
use only. Well, I tried putting on my
17" stockers (I used a set of 18"
2nd gen at the track - no prob) and
the right (passenger) side does not
clear. Weird because the left side
apparently clears.
The wheel
spun fine with the car up on all 4's, but on the road I heard
a
tump-thump-thump from the right side when turning left or
under
braking. I took off the wheel and saw there were some
irregularities, I
guess from manufacturing, on the inside of the rim. I
grinded them down
as smooth as I could and now it's a little better. No
more thump when
turning or light braking, but it's there with moderate or
heavy
braking. The interference is radially, not laterally (the spokes
clear
fine). Is this common, or do I just have a bad set of wheels? Are
there
any 17" aftermarket wheels known to clear? Clear enough for track
use?
- -Steve
'92 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:17:21
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Center Diff - Racing question
I think he just wants to go
straight! (full drag car)
Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From:
StevePKT77@aol.com <
StevePKT77@aol.com>
To:
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Center Diff - Racing
question
>Are you talking about completely eliminating the
function of the center
diff? I hope you're only driving around in slick
weather. I have an '88
Subaru XT6 full-time 4wd which has a center diff
lock, and when the center
diff is locked it drives around like a tank (severe
braking effect when
turning) - not to mention any turns cause great stress to
the drivetrain,
since your wheels will naturally want to move at different
speeds (but
cannot since the center differential is locked up). Again,
this works fine
in slick road conditions (ice, snow, gravel, dirt) but on dry
pavement it's
not very fun for you or your car while
turning.
>-Steve
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:19:43
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Center Diff - Racing question
I agree Jeff, but I have found my
car at the drag strip (with much less
power then Arty) will spin the back
tires first, then as the car is moving
forward, I can feel the fronts draging
the spinning back tires until its all
moving the same speed.
Sam
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To:
Aso8@aol.com <
Aso8@aol.com>;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Center Diff - Racing
question
>Arty,
>I don't now anything about welding or
pinning our center diffs. But
>the torque split is already 50/50 the best
I can determine. My
>reasoning can be found on my web page below. Let me
know what you
>think. Remember the torque split only applies when traction
is equal
>to *all* tires. If traction is less for one or more tires then
more
>torque goes to the tire(s) with better traction (or at least will
try
>to).
>
>http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius/2-AWD3.htm
>
>Jeff
Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
>-----
Original Message -----
>From: <
Aso8@aol.com>
>To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>; <
stealth@starnet.net>
>Cc: <
Aso8@aol.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11,
2001 12:36 PM
>Subject: Team3S: Center Diff - Racing
question
>
>I'm trying to have my Center Diff Welded but it looks
like the casing
>weld won't hold a real hard launch. Nor, does welding the
spyder
>gears look like a good idea? Does anyone know how this is done or
if
>it has ever been done on a VR-4?My objective is to have the
torque
>split 50/50 so only half the HP reaches each set of wheels. Maybe
the
>drive train will hold? It will be a shame to break on launch
:(
>Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:45:59
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Big reds & wheel clearance
I have the big reds and a set of Einkei
RP01's and have no problem,
before that I had the 94 mitsu 17" rims on my 93
and had no problems.
Anything that fits a 2nd generation Mitsu should fit
over the big reds.
Jim
Berry
=============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Steve Lasher <
s_lasher@bellsouth.net>
>
For those of us with big reds, I was under the impression that the stock
>
1st gen 17" VR-4 wheels would fit. Veeeeery tight fit, but would
fit
> nonetheless - albeit for streeet use only. Well, I tried
putting on my
> 17" stockers (I used a set of 18" 2nd gen at the track -
no prob) and
> the right (passenger) side does not clear. Weird
because the left side
> apparently clears.
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:47:29
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
There should be an arrow on the tire
showing the direction of
rotation.
Jim
berry
=================================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Darren Schilberg <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
To: Team3S
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:55 PM
Subject: Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire
tread
> Does anyone know which way the tread is supposed to go on
these tires?
>
> I will have pictures later tonight of them mounted
on my wheels. I think
> all four of them are going the same way
which means that two of them are
> mounted backwards or TireRack sent me
four rights instead of two right and
> two left.
>
>
--Flash!
>
dschilberg@pobox.com>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:18:26
-0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <
jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Big reds & wheel clearance
Hi Steve,
Yes, my Centra
17" from Tire Rack cleared the stock
rotors and also the Supra rotors which
are larger dia
(both with the Big Reds), Unfortunately Tire
Rack
only carried the Centra rims about 5 years ago.
Whatever Mitsu
chrome 17" I have now fit and clear
fine.
Be of good
cheer,
John
- --- Steve Lasher <
s_lasher@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> For those of us with big reds, I was under the
> impression
that the stock
> 1st gen 17" VR-4 wheels would fit. Veeeeery
tight
> fit, but would fit
> nonetheless - albeit for streeet use
only. Well, I
> tried putting on my
> 17" stockers (I used a
set of 18" 2nd gen at the
> track - no prob) and
> the right
(passenger) side does not clear. Weird
> because the left
side
> apparently clears.
>
> The wheel spun fine with the
car up on all 4's, but
> on the road I heard
> a tump-thump-thump
from the right side when turning
> left or under
> braking. I
took off the wheel and saw there were
> some irregularities, I
>
guess from manufacturing, on the inside of the rim.
> I grinded them
down
> as smooth as I could and now it's a little better.
> No more
thump when
> turning or light braking, but it's there with
>
moderate or heavy
> braking. The interference is radially,
not
> laterally (the spokes clear
> fine). Is this common, or do I
just have a bad set
> of wheels? Are there
> any 17"
aftermarket wheels known to clear? Clear
> enough for track
use?
> -Steve
> '92 VR-4
=====
Please respond to
jczoom@iname.com'93 TT with Porsche
brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH
5/97 almost stock
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:44:31
-0700
From: Richard <
radanc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: ECU
upgrades
Anyone have experience with the G-Force ECU upgrade or Haltech
E6K. I
want to upgrade, but fear I don't know the intricacies of
differences
between the options. Any other ideas would be appreciated. I know
the
Haltech requires more programming and is more precise for tuning,
but
has anyone used them got any opinions.
Rich
92 Stealth
TT
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:54:56
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
I see no arrow. Here are pix
of the overall tread on the tires (see how
when all the outsides of the tires
are going the same way that the tread on
all four are going the same
way? Two of them should have the tread going
the other way?
Look
at this page for the pix
http://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/cars/tires-wheels/P-Zero_tread.jpgBut
regardless of which way they should go ... which ones are the right side
and
which ones are the left side? Any help?
My own thought was that (on
the right side of these tires) the "V-shaped"
tread is supposed to channel
the water away and not toward itself. That is
why is confusing me
here. Are these correct? Did TireRack send me four of
the same
side tires instead of two right and two left?
- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.comhttp://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg -----Original
Message-----
From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Thursday,
July 12, 2001 9:47 PM
There should be an arrow on the tire showing the
direction of rotation.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:35:07
-0000
From: "glynn birds" <
glynn_birds@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Coolant Query
I have just got a 94 GTO NA Auto.
I'm not
sure if this is a problem, but here is my query.
I noticed some coolant
loss from the expansion tank after a run. When I
later checked it out, I
noticed that the coolant level rises in the
expansion tank as soon as the
thermostat opens. It rises to the top of the
expansion tank and that seems
to be the limit. This is only at idle, I
haven't taken it out on the road
since I noticed it. I changed the pressure
cap but still did the same thing.
Is this normal? Was the expansion tank
overfull to start
with?
regards
Glynn - UK
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:06:47
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
Curt,
That is
exactly the answer I was looking for so THANK you for the
response. Yes
the V-groove section goes on the inside. I guess I send this
picture to
TireRack along with a copy of the original shipping receipt
(although that
will not show what type of tire was sent).
There are NO arrows
that I can see on the sidewalls of the tires. I had
some P6000 and
those clearly had an arrow on them. I can take pictures of
the
sidewalls if needed.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com -----Original
Message-----
From: Curt Gendron [mailto:curt_gendron@hotmail.com]
Sent:
Friday, July 13, 2001 9:01 AM
There ~should~ be an arrow somewhere on the
sidewall of each tire showing
the direction the tire should go. But
looking at the tread, I can tell you
that all these tires are mounted as
left-hand tires. If you stand to the
side of the rim, or in front of
the chrome, the tire will need to rotate
clockwise to channel water through
those V-grooves.
I'm guessing all these tires are left hand Asemetrical
tires too, because
since negative camber is encourged on sports car, that
would make the V part
of the tire have the most downforce on it. That
means the inside part of
the tread.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:31:18
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Flashing Tour/Sport light cure
Whenever the car
body bounces up to full travel, it takes the load off the
front strut at
which time the rod can rotate. We've seen this happen with
my son's car
occassionally, but never to the extent that the ECS wires get
wound up.
When we installed the GC suspension, we found that we needed to
leave the
stock upper spring perch on the strut. It has a D-shaped hole in
it, that I
think helps to discourage rotation of the shock rod. Also, you
can do a
visual check from the wheel well to see if the holes in the upper
and lower
spring perches are aligned.
Chuck
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Merritt [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent:
Thursday, July 12, 2001 6:05 PM
> To:
3sracers@speedtoys.com;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: 3S-Racers: Flashing Tour/Sport light cure
>
> My
Tour/Sport light started flashing on a trip to Chicago, so I checked it
>
out at a fuel stop.
> Since I have camber plates, I had removed the rubber
covers over the
> struts, so it was easy to see the problem: The shock rod
in the strut had
> been rotating, and it wrapped itself with the wires to
the electronic
> suspension. Apparently, it had pulled the wires so tight
that a connection
> came loose.
>
> I took a wrench and
unwound the shock rod a half-turn, enough to loosen
> the
> wires
and unwrap them. That solved the flashing light problem. If anyone
> else
has a flashing light, you may want to look under the rubber covers
>
for
> a similar problem.
>
> Which brings up the
question: Why is my shock rod rotating? Do they all
> spin around?
Or is it because I have camber plates and now nothing is
> keeping the rod
from rotating?
>
> Rich/old poop
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:36:21
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
arrow should be on the
sidewall ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry
[SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:47 PM
>
To: Darren Schilberg; Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical
tire tread
>
> There should be an arrow on the tire showing the
direction of rotation.
>
> Jim berry
>
=================================================
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: Darren Schilberg <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
> To:
Team3S <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:55 PM
> Subject: Team3S: P-Zero
Asymmetrical tire tread
>
>
> > Does anyone know which
way the tread is supposed to go on these tires?
> >
> > I
will have pictures later tonight of them mounted on my wheels. I
>
think
> > all four of them are going the same way which means that two
of them are
> > mounted backwards or TireRack sent me four rights
instead of two right
> and
> > two left.
> >
>
> --Flash!
> >
dschilberg@pobox.com> >
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:40:25
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
You should just be able to reverse the
tire on the rim ---- put the inside sidewall
on the outside ---- I doubt that
they make a left/right side tire. Of course tire rack
should know that and
mount them correctly.
Jim
berry
================================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Darren Schilberg <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
To: Team3S
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical
tire tread
> I see no arrow. Here are pix of the overall
tread on the tires (see how
> when all the outsides of the tires are going
the same way that the tread on
> all four are going the same way?
Two of them should have the tread going
> the other way?
>
>
Look at this page for the pix
>
http://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/cars/tires-wheels/P-Zero_tread.jpg>
> But regardless of which way they should go ... which ones are the right
side
> and which ones are the left side? Any help?
>
>
My own thought was that (on the right side of these tires) the
"V-shaped"
> tread is supposed to channel the water away and not toward
itself. That is
> why is confusing me here. Are these
correct? Did TireRack send me four of
> the same side tires instead
of two right and two left?
>
> --Flash!
>
dschilberg@pobox.com>
http://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry
[mailto:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:47 PM
>
> There should be an arrow on the tire showing the direction of
rotation.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:50:31
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
I can not do that because (I will
post pictures soon) the inside says
"INNER" and the outside says "OUTER" and
these can not be mounted around the
other way. That is what the tread
is for so the inside has a different
traction than the outside and the middle
as well.
- --Flash!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim
Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:40
AM
You should just be able to reverse the tire on the rim ---- put the
inside
sidewall
on the outside ---- I doubt that they make a left/right
side tire. Of course
tire rack
should know that and mount them
correctly.
Jim
berry
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:16:03
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
Here is a page of pictures of the
tires (an overall view of all four with
close-up pictures of the outside and
inside of the sidewalls.
http://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/cars//tires-wheels/P-Zero.html-
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:22:08
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
There should not have been two
slashes in that address but it might work.
http://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/cars/tires-wheels/P-Zero.html -----Original
Message-----
From: Darren Schilberg [mailto:dschilberg@pobox.com]
Sent:
Friday, July 13, 2001 10:16 AM
To: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: P-Zero
Asymmetrical tire tread
Here is a page of pictures of the tires (an
overall view of all four with
close-up pictures of the outside and inside of
the sidewalls.
http://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/cars//tires-wheels/P-Zero.html-
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:01:50
-0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
Well the problem has been
solved. The TireRack just called and confirmed
that this is a common
misconception with this tire. They are Asymmetrical
but not
Directional. There is another brand that is Directional and
not
Asymmetrical.
The V-grooves are not really a V but something
between a V and an M and a W.
It does channel the water either toward the
center of the tire or toward the
outside but since the contact patch is so
small on the inside of the tire
when it is turning then, he claims, it does
not really make that much of a
difference.
It was nice of them to call
back and clarify that via live human
conversation. It was only about
two hours after my email so they were right
on top of it.
Now my only
decision is whether I want the groove to look correct on the
right or the
left side.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 with tires that are all happy
now
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:59:25
-0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: P-Zero Asymmetrical tire tread
Yoko's asymetric tread
patterns (i.e Parada) seem to all have the water
groove on the OUTBOARD side
of the tire, if that helps any.
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Darren Schilberg [SMTP:dschilberg@pobox.com]
> Sent: Friday, July
13, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: P-Zero
Asymmetrical tire tread
>
> Well the problem has been solved.
The TireRack just called and confirmed
> that this is a common
misconception with this tire. They are Asymmetrical
> but not
Directional. There is another brand that is Directional and not
>
Asymmetrical.
>
> The V-grooves are not really a V but something
between a V and an M and a
> W.
> It does channel the water either
toward the center of the tire or toward
> the
> outside but since
the contact patch is so small on the inside of the tire
> when it is
turning then, he claims, it does not really make that much of a
>
difference.
>
> It was nice of them to call back and clarify that
via live human
> conversation. It was only about two hours after my
email so they were
> right
> on top of it.
>
> Now my
only decision is whether I want the groove to look correct on the
> right
or the left side.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4 with tires that
are all happy now
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:44:04
-0700
From: Richard <
radanc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: ECU
upgrade
Hi All,
Didn't here back from anyone here on this issue
from my last post, but I
did receive a response back from Brian at GTPro. He
is about 1.5 months
away from a complete ECU upgrade for our cars that is in
his words for
the hardcore only. I am assuming this will address some of the
tuning
issues that the ARC-2 dosn't. I may wait a bit to see the output of
this
new product.
Rich
92 Stealth TT
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