Team3S             Wednesday, July 4 2001             Volume 01 : Number 538




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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:50:03 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need Help - Hesitation problem

>Reducing the boost levels seems to help, I turned my DSBC off and almost all
>of the hesitation went away.

Sounds like fouled spark plugs !

>I always run octane booster  - the kind you get at the auto parts store in
>the can.

Immediatly stop using them on a regular basis. They are know to do bad
sometimes as well as the this can be the cause for fouling plugs pretty
quick !

>Could this be detonation?

No, I doubt. It sounds more like an ignition problem. Check the plugs !

>Is there a site that will give me info on
>setting up the TMO data logger for my car?

No don't work on your car !

>knock count, but it would at least be nice to see if the timing is getting
>retarded.

Then get another OBDII tool, but I doubt that this is the problem.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:50:11 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: How to: Bad ball joint(s) diagnosis (part 2)

Hello again!

I've had many many people ask good questions about this issue, so I will
include my original, and add in the answers.  Thanks everyone for your
replies!

I recently replaced 2 bad ball joints on my '91 Stealth TT.  Mind you,
this car JUST turned over 30k original miles.  The ball joints are
replaceable ONLY by replacing the entire control arm that houses them.
I got mine for $208 each from my man John at Conicelli Mitsubishi in PA
(1-610-272-9319).  I replaced them myself also, with standard tools plus
a 'ball-joint removal tool' ($15) from Craftsman, which looks like a
giant tuning fork.  Real easy to use, the job took me about an hour each
arm (FYI, I am very versed on working on these cars, but it still wasn't
a bad job at all).  Be sure to have your car's production date and/or
VIN number when ordering, there are many different control arms!!!

The car was pulling really badly going down the road, especially on the
highway.  I found myself fighting the steering constantly, especially
when the roadway was very sunk in from cars/trucks driving on them. AND,
the front tires wore down from 90% to 25% in about 3k miles - no joke.
Another sign that the tires gave was the infamous 'feathering' of the
inside edge of the tires.  Rub your hand back and forth on this edge...
if one tread catches your hand and the next doesn't (you'll know what I
mean) then you surely have at least an alignment problem, ___possibly___
ball joints.

My Diagnosis:  Bad ball joints.  The play in the joints was checked, and
both were unacceptable.  This is best tested by a mechanic, but
basically involves trying to push the joint around in any direction to
see if it has any play in it.  They have been replaced, and I no longer
have to fight the car going down the road.  And I haven't had an
alignment done yet to finish up the job either, which will probably help
even more.

Hope this helps, please shoot me up with any more questions!

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White Stealth R/T TT

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:51:57 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clear Coat

Was this on the bumper or on the car itself?  I've seen it many times on the blue bumpers..

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White R/T TT

The68th@aol.com wrote:

> THe paint on my 92 Stealth ES looked like it was oxidized or something, it was a light blue instead of the normal dark blue.  When I touched it, it chipped off.  It's almost like the clear coat is chipping off.  What could cause this, and is there anything tha I can do about it?
> Chris

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:03:06 -0500
From: Sean Winker <sean.winker@chrobinson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....

What they gave me is 'SUPER DOT 4 MOTOR VEHICLE BRAKE FLUID' for use with
ford focus.  Meets super dot 4 minimum wet boiling point of 356 F.  It was
$10.31 for 16oz (pint).  Anyone know anything about this stuff?  Should I
take it back and get the DOT 3 stuff??

Sean
'91 R/T TT, FIPK, Porterfield R4-S and boiled brake fluid.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 09:16
To: Sean Winker
Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....


At 08:33 AM 7/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Some good info, a couple questions/comments.  I just purchased 2 pints of
>Ford Brake Fluid (Heavy Duty or High Performance can't remember I'll have
to
>look at the bottle again) it was over $10 a pint.  Did I get the wrong
>stuff? 

Reading the label off a can of it:
Ford High Performance DOT 3 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid
16 fl oz
Minimum dry boiling point of 550 F.
Prices reported here on the list are $3-4 per pint.

Maybe they raised the price or maybe you got screwed.
For $10 a pint, you could buy Motul 600.

>
>Regarding turning the car off to park rather than using the brakes.  Do you
>then restart it so it cools down with the engine running?  If not don't you
>worry about damage to the turbo bearings?

Drive around on a cooldown lap or around the paddock for five minutes or
so. This cools down the brakes AND the turbos at the same time. If you
drive so as to NOT use the brakes for the cooldown period, I trust you will
not be using the turbos as well.

Rich


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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 06:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....

Hi Sean,

Whatever you do,  DO NOT mix DOT 3 & 4.

I use the Ford DOT 3 cause its the highest rated and
least espensive and I bleed and change fluid regularly
because of driving schools.

Never tried the DOT 4.

BTW I usually drive around the parking lot or
surrounding roads after comming off of the track.
That gives our pads/rotors and our turbos additional
time to cool off.
 Otherwise do as Flash suggests:...  when you park you
can block the wheels with wood and leave the car
running and in Neutral and then in a few minutes roll
the car back a few inches so the pads do not create
"hot spots" on the rotors.


Be of good cheer,
John
- --- Sean Winker <sean.winker@chrobinson.com> wrote:
> What they gave me is 'SUPER DOT 4 MOTOR VEHICLE
> BRAKE FLUID' for use with
> ford focus.  Meets super dot 4 minimum wet boiling
> point of 356 F.  It was
> $10.31 for 16oz (pint).  Anyone know anything about
> this stuff?  Should I
> take it back and get the DOT 3 stuff??
>
> Sean
> '91 R/T TT, FIPK, Porterfield R4-S and boiled brake
> fluid.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 09:16
> To: Sean Winker
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....
>
>
> At 08:33 AM 7/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Some good info, a couple questions/comments.  I
> just purchased 2 pints of
> >Ford Brake Fluid (Heavy Duty or High Performance
> can't remember I'll have
> to
> >look at the bottle again) it was over $10 a pint.
> Did I get the wrong
> >stuff? 
>
> Reading the label off a can of it:
> Ford High Performance DOT 3 Motor Vehicle Brake
> Fluid
> 16 fl oz
> Minimum dry boiling point of 550 F.
> Prices reported here on the list are $3-4 per pint.
>
> Maybe they raised the price or maybe you got
> screwed.
> For $10 a pint, you could buy Motul 600.
>
> >
> >Regarding turning the car off to park rather than
> using the brakes.  Do you
> >then restart it so it cools down with the engine
> running?  If not don't you
> >worry about damage to the turbo bearings?
>
> Drive around on a cooldown lap or around the paddock
> for five minutes or
> so. This cools down the brakes AND the turbos at the
> same time. If you
> drive so as to NOT use the brakes for the cooldown
> period, I trust you will
> not be using the turbos as well.
>
> Rich

=====
Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Any advice would help....

>> Whatever you do,  DO NOT mix DOT 3 & 4.

DOT 3, DOT 4, and DOT 5.1 can all be mixed (even though DOT 5.1 is
based on a different chemical). It is DOT 5 that must not be mixed
with any other brake fluid.

More detail on brake fluid at my web page below.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-brakeupgrade.htm

Here is the official word on brake fluid standards (be sure to get
all the characters on both lines).

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=49&PART=571&SECTION=116&TYPE=TEXT

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Christian" <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
To: "Sean Winker" <sean.winker@chrobinson.com>; "'Merritt'"
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>; "'Team 3S'" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....


Hi Sean,

Whatever you do,  DO NOT mix DOT 3 & 4.

<snip>

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:00:51 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....

At 08:03 AM 7/3/01 -0500, Sean Winker wrote:
>What they gave me is 'SUPER DOT 4 MOTOR VEHICLE BRAKE FLUID' for use with
>ford focus.  Meets super dot 4 minimum wet boiling point of 356 F.  It was
>$10.31 for 16oz (pint).  Anyone know anything about this stuff?  Should I
>take it back and get the DOT 3 stuff??
>
Yes.

Rich

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:11:14 -0700
From: Robert Koch <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Any advice would help....Brakes

I will be bleeding some ford brake fluid into the system sometime this
week. I just snagged some new Bradi zinc plated rotors from Italy for
275.00 off of E-bay but won't install them till the braided lines and pads
come in. I have heard about cross drilled rotors on the track breaking but
for 275.00 for the set of 4 who could beat that?

Bob K.
93 R/T non-turbo :(
FIPK KV85's
Bradi Drilled and slotted rotors

I will be setting up a website with pics of my car as well as a section for
buying the machined products to go into production this week/month.

Spark plug cover plate - stealth / 3000gt / VR4 with triangle
Injector wire loom for front 3 cylinders
Radiator Brackets w/neoprene bushings
Oil cap - that don't leak

Prices and delivery TBA but rest assured this board will get first orders
filled before the masses @ E-bay

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:17:49 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....

You know, Motul only costs about $10 per liter.  In fact, I just bought some
at the track for about $7 per liter.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Winker [SMTP:sean.winker@chrobinson.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:03 AM
> To: 'Merritt'; 'Team 3S'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....
>
> What they gave me is 'SUPER DOT 4 MOTOR VEHICLE BRAKE FLUID' for use with
> ford focus.  Meets super dot 4 minimum wet boiling point of 356 F.  It was
> $10.31 for 16oz (pint).  Anyone know anything about this stuff?  Should I
> take it back and get the DOT 3 stuff??
>
> Sean
> '91 R/T TT, FIPK, Porterfield R4-S and boiled brake fluid.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 09:16
> To: Sean Winker
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....
>
>
> At 08:33 AM 7/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Some good info, a couple questions/comments.  I just purchased 2 pints of
> >Ford Brake Fluid (Heavy Duty or High Performance can't remember I'll have
> to
> >look at the bottle again) it was over $10 a pint.  Did I get the wrong
> >stuff? 
>
> Reading the label off a can of it:
> Ford High Performance DOT 3 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid
> 16 fl oz
> Minimum dry boiling point of 550 F.
> Prices reported here on the list are $3-4 per pint.
>
> Maybe they raised the price or maybe you got screwed.
> For $10 a pint, you could buy Motul 600.
>
> >
> >Regarding turning the car off to park rather than using the brakes.  Do
> you
> >then restart it so it cools down with the engine running?  If not don't
> you
> >worry about damage to the turbo bearings?
>
> Drive around on a cooldown lap or around the paddock for five minutes or
> so. This cools down the brakes AND the turbos at the same time. If you
> drive so as to NOT use the brakes for the cooldown period, I trust you
> will
> not be using the turbos as well.
>
> Rich

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:03:51 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: 18" Chrome Rim for sale

What happened to the old rim?  You might be able to get it straightened for
$125 and rechromed for another $150 or so.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mihai Raicu [SMTP:aa2345@wayne.edu]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:23 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: RE: 18" Chrome Rim for sale
>
> Everyone,
>
> Well, maybe you remember the story of me having some different 18" chrome
> rims than everyone else on this list for my 95 Red VR-4.  I had bought a
> brand new rim from a Mitsu dealer and it turned out being different,
> however
> I only noticed after I drove on it for 2 months.  I tracked the rim down
> and
> it turns out I have the Japan GTO rims on my car instead of the US
> counterparts.  My rim # is MR297592 (Topy 18x8 Chrome rim MAD-SD3HD) not
> MR
> 197761.
>
> As you can notice, my rims are 18x8 inch rims not 18x8.5 inch rims.
> That's
> what is offered in Japan on all the GTO's.  So, for those of you that
> offered to take this rim off my hands, I would like to know, who would
> like
> to do so?  The new rim from Japan will cost me $720 (ouch), and it's not
> available in the US.  So, the bottom line is, how much can somebody give
> me
> so that I minimise my losses (I already paid money on one rim, argh)?
> Make
> me an offer on this almost brand new rim so that I can consider whether I
> will get the correct rim from Japan.
>
> If anybody has any suggestions on how I can order this Mitsu rim from US
> at
> a discount, I will gladly take your advice.
>
> -MIKE-
> 95 Red VR-4, keeping it

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Custom rotors anyone??

My porterfield connection has extended me the offer that some of us cant
refuse.

Custom hats/rotor combinations for the fronts of our cars. (maybe rears,
dunno yet)

Any interest?  Rotors could cost as much as $250/ea, but would be a
lighter 2pc design, where the disc will be interchangable, and would be a
heavy-duty directional vane rotor as well.  (Winston cup type).

?

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA

You must be fast, coz I was haulin' ass when I passed you..


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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:31:57 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Custom rotors anyone??

1st or 2nd generation rotors?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: 3S-Racers: Custom rotors anyone??
>
> My porterfield connection has extended me the offer that some of us cant
> refuse.
>
> Custom hats/rotor combinations for the fronts of our cars. (maybe rears,
> dunno yet)
>
> Any interest?  Rotors could cost as much as $250/ea, but would be a
> lighter 2pc design, where the disc will be interchangable, and would be a
> heavy-duty directional vane rotor as well.  (Winston cup type).
>
> ?
>
> ---
> Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
> California, USA
>
> You must be fast, coz I was haulin' ass when I passed you..

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: Custom rotors anyone??

Either I guess.

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Willis, Charles E. wrote:

> 1st or 2nd generation rotors?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:32 AM
> > To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> > Subject: 3S-Racers: Custom rotors anyone??
> >
> > My porterfield connection has extended me the offer that some of us cant
> > refuse.
> >
> > Custom hats/rotor combinations for the fronts of our cars. (maybe rears,
> > dunno yet)
> >
> > Any interest?  Rotors could cost as much as $250/ea, but would be a
> > lighter 2pc design, where the disc will be interchangable, and would be a
> > heavy-duty directional vane rotor as well.  (Winston cup type).
> >
> > ?

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA

You must be fast, coz I was haulin' ass when I passed you..


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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:40:20 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Custom rotors anyone??

> Any interest?  Rotors could cost as much as $250/ea, but would be a
> lighter 2pc design, where the disc will be interchangable,
> and would be a heavy-duty directional vane rotor as well.

So "how much" lighter would they be?  If dropped correctly, the stock ones
easily solve that annoying small feline animal problem.  

Also, what are the benefits?  By heavy-duty, I assume better resistance to
warping and maybe structurally stronger.  Directional vanes would provide
better cooling, right? 

What are the advantages of a 2-piece design?  Does that mean that you could
keep the same hat when replacing the rotors, thereby saving money?

Thanks!
- --Erik


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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Custom rotors anyone??

> So "how much" lighter would they be?  If dropped correctly, the stock ones
> easily solve that annoying small feline animal problem.  
- ---
You would have a LOT less cast iron where the hat meets the disc, and the
hat would be (at this time, it might change) aluminum.  The rotor would
have less metal in it as well, and the vanes inside it would be curved and
directional..they would move a LOT more air thru them, and the Winston Cup
design would be able to absorb much more heat internally to pull it away
from the rotor surface.
 
> What are the advantages of a 2-piece design?  Does that mean that you could
> keep the same hat when replacing the rotors, thereby saving money?
- ---
Yep, when you need new rotors, you just order up a disk, and bolt it to
your fancy lightweight, non-cracking, hat.

For those with wheel fitment issues, the hats can be made thicker..the
- -perfect- wheel spacer.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA

You must be fast, coz I was haulin' ass when I passed you..


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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:09:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Custom rotors - Big Reds ?

I will have a rotor dropped via FedEx today to the fab shop, and they will
look it over.  Now..if anyone wants 1st gen ones, you'll have to donate a
rotor as well..but not yet.  Lets see what a 2nd gen would cost first.


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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:57:16 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: 18" Chrome Rim for sale

Charles,

I was told the damaged rim can't be fixed.  I'll keep it and maybe I'll fix
it down the line and keep it as a full size spare.

- -MIHAI-

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
>
> What happened to the old rim?  You might be able to get it
> straightened for
> $125 and rechromed for another $150 or so.

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:31:06 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Problem with coolant.

Check (or just replace) your radiator cap. if it's not sealing properly you will overflow constantly until you have a heating problem.

Kurt

- -----Original Message-----
From: profilevr4@3000gtvr4.net [mailto:profilevr4@3000gtvr4.net]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:53 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Problem with coolant.


Actually I just changed the pump last week. Do you think it's possible that
I may have installed it incorrectly somehow?


Also I'm almost certain it's coming out of the dump tube from the coolant
resevoir because the puddle is always by the passenger side front wheel and
when I check the dump tube, it is wet. However, I'll inspect the water pump
area for coolant just to be sure.


> Your water pump may be going bad and leaking coolant as you drive around.
> This happened to me before it left a puddle in the driveway.  This would
> cause coolant level to be low and also without any smoke.  Check under the
> engine (near timing belt)on the driver's side for coolant.
>
> Mark

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:23:10 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: 18" Chrome Rim for sale

Yeah, I was told one of my 1st gen chrome rims "couldn't be repaired", but
they straightened it and it is better balanced than the other three.  My
wife won't let me use it on the car, so it's going to be a shop stool like
the guys on NASCAR garage have!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mihai Raicu [SMTP:aa2345@wayne.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:57 AM
> To: Willis, Charles E.; Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: 18" Chrome Rim for sale
>
> Charles,
>
> I was told the damaged rim can't be fixed.  I'll keep it and maybe I'll
> fix
> it down the line and keep it as a full size spare.
>
> -MIHAI-
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> >
> > What happened to the old rim?  You might be able to get it
> > straightened for
> > $125 and rechromed for another $150 or so.

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:30:11 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Hi PerformanceThrottle body 4 sale

My 91 VR-4 Throttle is for sale. I'm not using it.
It has already been bored out by RC Engineering and has NEVER been used
since it was bored out by RC. I'll take an even exchange for a core plus
$225.00 for the RC work that was done. Its available to ship immediately. If
you want an outright sale Email me for a price. BTW, I have two (2) of these.

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:10:48 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Any advice would help....

... and my prices before were for a half liter and not pints or quarts.  The
Motul 600 was about $18 a half liter which is about $17 a pint I think.



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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:12:26 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Any advice would help....

Sorry ... still mixed up on english and metric.  Correct prices here.
Thanks, Chuck.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To: "'Sean Winker'" <sean.winker@chrobinson.com>; "'Merritt'"
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>; "'Team 3S'" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Any advice would help....


You know, Motul only costs about $10 per liter.  In fact, I just bought some
at the track for about $7 per liter.

Chuck



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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:53:29 -0500
From: kalla@tripoint.org
Subject: Team3S: bizzare knock

I have been driving to and from work for a few weeks carrying the
pocketlogger along. On trips like this I generally have the blitz set
to exceed no more than 1.0 kg/cm2 of boost.

Keeping my eye on the knock reading I've noticed some strange
behavior. For example, a couple fo times I have started off at a
traffic light I tach up to about 4,500 in 1st gear with no knock, and
then upon shifting to second and pressing the gas the boost begins
to build and the knock sum starts to go nuts. I can feel the timing
being retarded by the ECU and I get off the gas immediately.
However the boost never built up past around 0.6-0.7 kg/cm2 in
these cases so it's not an issue with overboost. Most of the time
the car does not exhibit this behavior rolling off from a stop and
accelerating through the gears.

I've also noticed that when I am cruising along on the parkway or
the interstate, say in third gear, with the throttle position such that
the car maintains speed but isn't under boost (0 kg/cm2) it will
start to knock. I was on the interstate this afternoon in 5th gear
cruising at about 80 mph under no boost at all and I look down and
there was a couple seconds where the knock went from zero to 20-
30 and then back down again (under no boost!). I haven't been able
to get the car to do this while I had the logging enabled or I would
make some images for you guys to see.

The car does NOT do this very much, but did it once during lunch
today and once on the drive home.

What is the car doing? Is there an issue with the fuel system
(clogged filter or injectors, maybe), or something else a little more
involved going on? 

If I manage to get a log of this I'll post it ..

Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:04:48 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: MSD, Gap & boost question?

Anyone using the MSD-DIS4 along with a boost of at least 20lb or more please
tell me if you can run a stock plug gap? My old setup without the MSD
Ignition system I needed to gap down to .028 to keep a spark. I'm not going
to have any tune time & need to know about where to start plug gaps.
Arty 91 VR-4

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:24:23 -0700
From: "noble" <nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Launching knock counts

Hi everyone,

Walton had touched on this subject, but I've noticed the same
thing happening with my pocketlogger, 15gs, and stock injectors (stock boost
for now); knock counts at part throttle.

I usually get some knock taking off the line in first and part of second at
part throttle building a little boost.
I have NO knock at all under full boost conditions; pulls strong..
Is there an adjustment(s) on the ARC to compensate for this?
Any ideas how to cure this?

Thanks in advance,
Noble




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From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: Team3S <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1. Damage to engine from driving without oil? 2.
Opinion on partial vs full pait job and price?


>
> >1. Drove with lowering oil level (full to empty) for 3-4 miles.
>
> Well, the engine was propbably not fully out of oil as the cams and cranks
> had still some oil on them. When the car has not been pushed hard I don't
> think that this already caused some damage. Besides of this I'd inform the
> insurance company and let the shop sign a letter or statement about their
> fault. I don't know how good this will work but at least the insurance
> should know in case of any later damage.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> www.rtec.ch

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:31:59 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: MSD, Gap & boost question?

I think there may be a simple, obvious answer, but how does one know when they
aren't getting spark under high boost conditions?

Ken
'91 Stealth TT

Aso8@aol.com wrote:

> Anyone using the MSD-DIS4 along with a boost of at least 20lb or more please
> tell me if you can run a stock plug gap? My old setup without the MSD
> Ignition system I needed to gap down to .028 to keep a spark. I'm not going
> to have any tune time & need to know about where to start plug gaps.
> Arty 91 VR-4

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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:01:15 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: MSD, Gap & boost question?

>Anyone using the MSD-DIS4 along with a boost of at least 20lb or more please
>tell me if you can run a stock plug gap? My old setup without the MSD
>Ignition system I needed to gap down to .028 to keep a spark. I'm not going
>to have any tune time & need to know about where to start plug gaps.
>Arty 91 VR-4

Arty, as the current discussion on this subject goes it is almost 100% that
an ignition system alone doesn't help at all (see the posts on the message
board) Still the stock coils are the weak points and some testings are
going on. I have the Acell coils on their way over the ocean and will test
them too while they have already been tested successfully together with the
MSD box. But at the end the DIS4 would not be of use if the same coils for
a non-CD ignition (like our cars) do their job. But it's also possible that
only a combination of a system that delivers more energy as well as the
coils do the job to prevent spark blow out.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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