team3s             Wednesday, May 16 2001             Volume 01 : Number 494




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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mopar Lube cross-reference

Grease..is grease.

www.redlineoil.com has a good match of the specific motor and tranny oils
you usually need..

Generally theyre only picky on thier automatic tranny fluids tho.

On Tue, 15 May 2001 ThorHolth@aol.com wrote:

> Is there a chart available that I could find on the 'net or that some of you
> might have that would cross-reference Mopar-compatible greases and other
> lubes.  I am sick of dealing with the local dodge dealer every time I need
> some type of grease specified in the repair manual.
>
> Thor Holth (1991 Stealth R/T Turbo)

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com> 
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:27:43 -0700
From: "Nickolaos M. Sgouros" <atenag@coqui.net>
Subject: Team3S: Did your A/C compressor goes  on/off?

Dear friends
Only for the cars with climate control.
Just I need to determine if this is normal or not. Please observe you're A/C
compressor after 4-5 min of operation @ 65 decrees to the set point. Reply
to me personally and tell me if your compressor goes in/out with 15sec
frequency. I checked the gas and the pressure sw. Are fine. I'm really
confused if  this  is normal or no...PLEASE HELP!

Nikos the Greek
92' RT TT
Puerto Rico

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:29:13 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: OEM alarm

I was under the impression that when the OEM alarm goes off you just put
your key in the ignition (or start the car) and the alarm stops.  Are you
supposed to put the key in the driver's door and lock/unlock the door to
shut off the alarm?

I hit the unlock button on the key fob, got in, started the car, and
listened to the alarm still going off.  Luckily I had my tools with me so I
popped the hood, popped the trunk, took out a 12 mm socket and disconnected
the cable to the battery which stopped the horn from honking.

What is the real fix to the OEM alarm going off or what other method works.

(It was activated because the windows were down but the car was locked and
my wife reached inside to unlock the door.)

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

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Date: 15 May 2001 14:30:08 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: CAPS question Outer tierod part number?

I am going to post this again because I seem to never get answers on weekends.

What is the part number of the front axle outer tie rod end for a 1991 VR4?

I downloaded CAPS but I can't find this part anywhere except as part of a large rack and pinion assembly.  I have ordered and returned parts twice because the dealer got the number wrong.

Another question:   How do I search for parts for a year other than the model year tied to my VIN.  When I use CAPS I can't tell which model year I am looking at unless I enter my VIN nuber.  I am completing my 4-bolt main conversion and I want to double check to make sure which part numbers change from year to year.

John Monnin
jkmonnin@altavista.com
1991 VR4 (new 4-bolt shortblock in the garage but not the car)


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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:30:42 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Did your A/C compressor goes  on/off?

Is the air coming out of the vents cold or not ---- if a compressor is low
on freon it will cycle on and off like that.

        Jim Berry
=================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Nickolaos M. Sgouros <atenag@coqui.net>
To: Team3s <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Team3S: Did your A/C compressor goes on/off?


> Dear friends
> Only for the cars with climate control.
> Just I need to determine if this is normal or not. Please observe you're A/C
> compressor after 4-5 min of operation @ 65 decrees to the set point. Reply
> to me personally and tell me if your compressor goes in/out with 15sec
> frequency. I checked the gas and the pressure sw. Are fine. I'm really
> confused if  this  is normal or no...PLEASE HELP!
>
> Nikos the Greek
> 92' RT TT
> Puerto Rico

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:45:38 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: CAPS question Outer tierod part number?

> What is the part number of the front axle outer tie rod end
> for a 1991 VR4?

If you are in CAPS and type in "END" it comes up with "END ASSY, TIE ROD" in
Group 37-050 which is the front steering rack, however the part doesn't have
a link in that diagram.  The MB part number I'm getting for that part is:

MB864164 (original part)
MB527650 (replacement part) (Part Name Code 47310A)

I'm assuming that you want the MB527650 which would be the "newer" version.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:03:18 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

> What is the real fix to the OEM alarm going off or what other
> method works.

Once it's going off, the only ways I know to turn it off are to insert the
key into the driver's door and operate the lock or to disconnect the
battery.  The first time I tried everything before disconnecting the
negative termainal of the battery and nothing worked (didn't know about the
driver's door thing then...)

- --Erik

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:57:48 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

Thanks Jim F., Paul T., Gabriel E., Troy B., Bart K., Erik G., and Greg G
for the speedy reply.

Key in the closed door and locking then unlocking appears to be the answer.

However, if the person reaches inside the door, unlocks the car from the
inside, then opens the door (she opened the passenger door) I don't think it
would work.  I got in and closed the driver door and started the car and
then reached across and shut the passenger door.  Then shut off the car and
started it again.  Still was going off.  I got out the driver door and shut
it and tried the key fob again.  No good.

I think all doors must be shut and THEN do the key in the driver's door
trick (or perhaps the passenger door might work).

I'll practice all techniques this week when I can go to the local mall at 2
A.M. so as not to annoy anybody.  Better yet ... I'm off to the Upper
Midwest Gathering in Wisconsin this weekend.  There should be plenty of open
space up that way for testing.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:27:38 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

Bingo!

My brain had forgotten that I had the trunk open to load the bags then I
locked the doors and closed the hatch but did not latch it.  Therefore
opening and closing the doors didn't matter since the hatch was still open.

Mind if I ask if the hood has to be closed too since that also has a trip on
it?

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:26 PM
To: 'Schilberg, Darren'; Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

> I think all doors must be shut and THEN do the key in
> the driver's door trick (or perhaps the passenger
> door might work).

Doors and rear hatch closed, then unlock from driver's door with key should
take care of it regardless of how it was tripped initially.  Once the alarm
is tripped the keyless entry fob is worthless until the alarm is turned off
with the key.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:36:20 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

And dare I ask about the Spyder and what if the top is down does it have to
be raised?  <grin>  Thank god I don't have to worry about that.

I believe the explanation in the book is not description or else I would
have remembered it.  It usually says something like, "For model: VR-4;
anti-theft alarm; an alarm will sound (horn will sound and lights will
blink) for a period of two minutes if triggered."

If it says more then I forgot about it and admit defeat.

I know our contact in Ireland will have the answer since he installs the
bonnet-system (basically makes it impossible to steal the car whereas our
cars can be broken into and alarms shut off within 40 seconds by a trained
person).

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:32 PM
To: 'Schilberg, Darren'; Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

> Mind if I ask if the hood has to be closed too since
> that also has a trip on it?

Probably, but the liklihood of setting it off with the hood open is lower.
:-)  When I still had a coupe, I set off the alarm a couple times with the
trunk open so I'm familiar with the alarm traps with that.

I'm pretty sure there is a detailed explanation in the owner's manual, but
I'm too lazy to go outside and look at it...  ;-)

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:27:34 -0700
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Oil type for transmission

Hi all,

can anyone tell me what type of oil I should be using in my transmission -5
speed 92 VR4. Also where do i put the oil in! do i need a pump or can i pour
directly into the transmission?
thanks
Ian
92 VR4

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:12:36 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Moving batteries--shocking news

Here is a picture of a car from East Coast with the external battery cutoff.
This car was on a lift at Altered Atmosphere.  The battery is in the trunk
or that area.

http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/imagepages/image69.htm
<http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/imagepages/image69.htm>
http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/imagepages/image70.htm
<http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/imagepages/image70.htm>
http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/imagepages/image71.htm
<http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/imagepages/image71.htm>

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm


- -----Original Message-----
From: Schilberg, Darren
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Moving batteries--shocking news

Note also that some of those at the East Coast Gathering also had external
battery emergency cutoff switches (as seen on race cars) in case the car is
flipped over or wrecked.  I can send a picture of one of them.


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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:28:42 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: CB antenna

Darren,

Cool to see that you liked your CB.  I have been interested in getting a CB
mounted into my VR4, however haven't been able to come up with a good
looking/normal looking antenna solution.  After talking to many CB salesmen,
they all say that the little cellular looking antenna's are worthless and
that reception is not going to be good.  Everyone says I need one of those 6
foot (?) whips with a big base.

I am curious to know about your solution and how inconspicuous and GOOD your
setup is.  What is your predicted range (listen/talk)?  Certaily would love
to hear the truckies warn me of the radar/laser units up ahead.  Or maybe I
should just get some police/judge friends to get me out of the tickets
(knock on wood, clear driving record so far).

Also, where did you mount your CB unit?  I had in mind a small unit ($100),
so I may not have any space issues.  The biggest issue is reception and the
big ugly antenna.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4

From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: CB antenna

For the trip to the East Coast Gathering I now have my very own CB.  I used
it this last weekend on a trip through Virginia (where radar detectors are
illegal).  Boy are these truckers nice folks once they know you are on their
side.  It was like some clips from "Smokey and the Bandit" as my little
black "four wheeler" darted around them sometimes.
- - --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:45:30 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Moving batteries--shocking news

If you're serious about a battery in the back get the Optima type gel cell
battery ---- they can be mounted in any orientation and they don't leak
acid. You can also get bulkhead feed-throughs for the cable so you're
not running it through holes subject to chafing and other bad stuff.

    Jim Berry
==============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
> I forgot one thing:  In the rally car, we always installed the battery in a
> marine battery box, which we bolted down to the floor of the trunk. This
> kept it from flying around the car and spilling acid all over the place (it
> gets pretty rough out there sometimes).

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:25:59 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

> I think all doors must be shut and THEN do the key in
> the driver's door trick (or perhaps the passenger
> door might work).

Doors and rear hatch closed, then unlock from driver's door with key should
take care of it regardless of how it was tripped initially.  Once the alarm
is tripped the keyless entry fob is worthless until the alarm is turned off
with the key.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Moving batteries--shocking news

Image of the gel battery & tray here:
http://www.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/celicas/mods1/

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Jim Berry wrote:

> If you're serious about a battery in the back get the Optima type gel cell
> battery ---- they can be mounted in any orientation and they don't leak
> acid. You can also get bulkhead feed-throughs for the cable so you're
> not running it through holes subject to chafing and other bad stuff.
>
>     Jim Berry
> ==============================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
> >
> > I forgot one thing:  In the rally car, we always installed the battery in a
> > marine battery box, which we bolted down to the floor of the trunk. This
> > kept it from flying around the car and spilling acid all over the place (it
> > gets pretty rough out there sometimes).

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com> 
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:36:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Moving batteries--shocking news

Image of battery & tray here:

www.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/celicas/mods1/

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Jim Berry wrote:

> If you're serious about a battery in the back get the Optima type gel cell
> battery ---- they can be mounted in any orientation and they don't leak
> acid. You can also get bulkhead feed-throughs for the cable so you're
> not running it through holes subject to chafing and other bad stuff.
>
>     Jim Berry
> ==============================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
> >
> > I forgot one thing:  In the rally car, we always installed the battery in a
> > marine battery box, which we bolted down to the floor of the trunk. This
> > kept it from flying around the car and spilling acid all over the place (it
> > gets pretty rough out there sometimes).

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com> 
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:11:39 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CB antenna

(long post on CB stuff - sorry)

Note: I know I left something out so feel free to ask more questions
privately.  Please don't copy this entire text back to the list or those
Digest subscribers will hate you.

Mike,

   I do not encourage speeding (disclaimer for all the legal folk).  I do
however feel that a radar detector and CB make for safer travel.  The radar
detector points out those construction signs that are sometimes nice enough
to confirm that your speedometer is working properly (your speed is 65 mph,
63, 62, 60, etc.).  Anyone ever get these to read triple digits yet?  But
they do give you ample warning to slow down.  Radar detectors are good so
you do not slam on your brakes when you see them causing a chain reaction
accident on the highway but allow you to slow down gradually.
   Now then ... I put in the post last time that I was not thinking and did
not even mount the magnet to the sunroof.  I was keeping in mind that I
wanted full access of the power sunroof so I mounted the base out of the
way.  Today after work I re-mounted it to the rear center of the power
sunroof top.  It stuck.  I was so happy.  Then I fed out enough cable so
that at full open nothing gets pulled out of place.  Now I am happy with the
look of it AND it is firmly mounted to the roof (before there was a gap a
few thickness of paper under one third of the base and this helped it fly
off before).
   Everyone follow that?  There are no glass windows in our sunroof opening
so mount to the center if at all possible.  Running the cable through the
sunroof opening is optional but I recommend the trunk since there is some
gap there and rain channels and such.  Around the car and between the window
and roof is okay too but this creates just enough of an opening to be
annoying to a person whose ear is close by.
   The CBE was from Radio Shack (model TRC-504,
http://support.tandy.com/support_electronics/48056.HTM and about a 3'
fiberglass whip antenna with magnet base).  About $100 for everything.  The
CB can be a base mount or car (mobile) CB so that was a good feature.  All
you need is enough to communicate with the traffic just ahead and just
behind you.  Longer is better but parking garages are often 8 feet so you
don't want a 30-foot antenna in those places.
   I am fortunate to have installed a race seat in my car so there is a
wider-than-stock gap between the front right of the seat and the center
console.  The CB fits perfectly in here.  Here is a pic where you can kind
of see what I have but it is a big picture so be careful and ignore the
laptop sitting in the middle (thanks for the pix Allan Bautista)
(http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/imagepages/image27.htm).  The CB is set
vertically between the seat and the console giving me fingertip access to
all the knobs (Squelch is your friend).  It also has an RF Gain knob to
filter in/out those really strong signals that interfere with the wiring and
the car as a ground.  In this pic you can also see the base mounted near the
back corner of the sunroof and the sunroof is fully deployed.  With the
stock seat installed I think the CB would be farther back toward the
seatbelt.  I put a towel underneath it so it wouldn't crimp the power or
antenna cables.  This boosts it up about two inches and gets it flush with
the center console.
   The booklet says most CBs reach "to within the line of sight" but there
were times that I would be on the highway and nobody within 2 miles for or
aft and I was still able to hear them ... a little static ... but I could
get them.  It is all in the Squelch control really.  Learn how to use it and
it is real nice.  You can get 12 conversations at once or narrow it down to
just one by using this one control.
   Traveling with trucks is nice as they spot out the hazards (cops,
construction, accidents, etc.) for you or get them relayed from the trucks
on the other side going the other way who just passed through the rain,
deer, construction, etc.  It really makes it nice for traveling.  Keeps you
awake, chat with people from across the US, etc.  Just read the book about
CB etiquette.  Like anything - there is an unwritten Code of Ethics.  Be
short and to the point.  Avoid long spats of babble on there if someone is
trying to get through.  Learn some of the jargon (10-4 for understood; 10-33
for an accident; etc.).
   Some of these are in the booklet I got (look at the link above for a PDF
of the booklet with all the 10-codes).  Tell a trucker when they are clear
to pull in or out of their lane and thank them if they let you into their
"train" or convoy.  You are more nimble than them so don't cut in front of
them.  Be nice to them and they will treat you with respect.  Piss them off
and they will box you in and make your life rough.  They can give directions
if you are lost too and appreciate when you return the favor.
   I know I left something out so feel free to ask more questions privately.
Please don't copy this entire text back to the list or those Digest
subscribers will hate you.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mihai Raicu [mailto:aa2345@wayne.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:29 PM
To: Darren Schilberg
Cc: Team3S
Subject: CB antenna

Darren,

Cool to see that you liked your CB.  I have been interested in getting a CB
mounted into my VR4, however haven't been able to come up with a good
looking/normal looking antenna solution.  After talking to many CB salesmen,
they all say that the little cellular looking antenna's are worthless and
that reception is not going to be good.  Everyone says I need one of those 6
foot (?) whips with a big base.

I am curious to know about your solution and how inconspicuous and GOOD your
setup is.  What is your predicted range (listen/talk)?  Certaily would love
to hear the truckies warn me of the radar/laser units up ahead.  Or maybe I
should just get some police/judge friends to get me out of the tickets
(knock on wood, clear driving record so far).

Also, where did you mount your CB unit?  I had in mind a small unit ($100),
so I may not have any space issues.  The biggest issue is reception and the
big ugly antenna.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:42:14 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CB antenna

>   Traveling with trucks is nice as they spot out the hazards (cops,
>construction, accidents, etc.) for you or get them relayed from the trucks
>on the other side going the other way who just passed through the rain,
>deer, construction, etc.  It really makes it nice for traveling.  Keeps you
>awake, chat with people from across the US, etc. 

I hope CB has changed. Back in its heyday, it was a good way to find radar
traps, but the good ol' boys drove me absolutely nuts with their endless
drivel. Being forced to listen to infantile babble with a phony southern
accent was its own punishment for speeding.

CB was the beginning of America's downward slide toward mediocity, and ever
since we have been "dumbing down" everything we do to find the lowest
common denominator in everything. Sheesh. I read today that California no
longer teaches handwriting in the public schools. CB was the beginning of
America's "let's all get stupid and turn over everything important to the
Japanese and Germans" trend.

Here's a typical dialogue from the CB days. Picture two truckers screaming
into their mikes with the world's worst southern accents.
"Y'all gotcher ears awn?"
"Yeah, good buddy. Did y'all see the beaver in that thar Cadylac?
Whooooodoggies!"
"Shore did! Hey, where y'all from?"
"Boston, good buddy.  Howboutchoo?" 
"New York City"

Yeah right.

Our Yurpean friends were spared the idiocy of the CB craze, and it seems to
have finally died here. Good riddance.


Oops. I think I may have gone off topic there.

Gotta get back on topic. OK, try this: When we caravan to an OPEN TRACK
EVENT in my MITSUBISHI VR4 (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), we use little $39
handheld Motorola two-way radios. They have a two-mile range, and everybody
in the caravan can talk to one another without worrying about civilians
listening in. Whew! How about a big 10-4 on that, good buddy?

Rich/old poop/Got my radio on. It fits good, too.

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CB antenna

It can be an extremely effective tool..

..if one knows how to use it.

Its a tool meant for listeners.  Every 50 miles when you see a line of
trucks pass each other on the highway..you tune in for a minute or 2 to
get the speeding 'weather report' for the next 50-100 miles.

In open areas its 1000X more effective than a detector when youre the ONLY
car to detect.

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Merritt wrote:

> >   Traveling with trucks is nice as they spot out the hazards (cops,
> >construction, accidents, etc.) for you or get them relayed from the trucks
> >on the other side going the other way who just passed through the rain,
> >deer, construction, etc.  It really makes it nice for traveling.  Keeps you
> >awake, chat with people from across the US, etc. 
>
> I hope CB has changed. Back in its heyday, it was a good way to find radar
> traps, but the good ol' boys drove me absolutely nuts with their endless
> drivel. Being forced to listen to infantile babble with a phony southern
> accent was its own punishment for speeding.
>
> CB was the beginning of America's downward slide toward mediocity, and ever
> since we have been "dumbing down" everything we do to find the lowest
> common denominator in everything. Sheesh. I read today that California no
> longer teaches handwriting in the public schools. CB was the beginning of
> America's "let's all get stupid and turn over everything important to the
> Japanese and Germans" trend.
>
> Here's a typical dialogue from the CB days. Picture two truckers screaming
> into their mikes with the world's worst southern accents.
> "Y'all gotcher ears awn?"
> "Yeah, good buddy. Did y'all see the beaver in that thar Cadylac?
> Whooooodoggies!"
> "Shore did! Hey, where y'all from?"
> "Boston, good buddy.  Howboutchoo?" 
> "New York City"
>
> Yeah right.
>
> Our Yurpean friends were spared the idiocy of the CB craze, and it seems to
> have finally died here. Good riddance.
>
>
> Oops. I think I may have gone off topic there.
>
> Gotta get back on topic. OK, try this: When we caravan to an OPEN TRACK
> EVENT in my MITSUBISHI VR4 (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), we use little $39
> handheld Motorola two-way radios. They have a two-mile range, and everybody
> in the caravan can talk to one another without worrying about civilians
> listening in. Whew! How about a big 10-4 on that, good buddy?
>
> Rich/old poop/Got my radio on. It fits good, too.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com> 
California, USA
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:57:27 -0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: CB antenna

I used a hand-held 40 channel Best Buy CB on the way to the 3SI East Coast
gathering in Ocean City.  It has a 7 inch fixed antenna, and the range is
awful.  I'm betting a magnetic external antenna will solve that problem.
(There's your on-topic, "technical" content)

Saying that CB radio is the reason for the downfall of America is about as
asinine as blaming the internet for school shootings. How ignorant can you
get?  This is especially appalling given that it was said by someone who
would present himself as an enlightened, educated gentleman.  CB, ham radio,
the internet....all of these are (or were) great liberating forms of
communication.  Modern advertising media has done a LOT more damage to
America than ANY CB user could ever dream of.

> Our Yurpean friends were spared the idiocy of the CB craze, and it seems
to
> have finally died here. Good riddance.

Yeah, now we have bubble brained yuppies in titanic SUVs jabbering on their
cell phones and doing their makeup.  The "Yurpeans" have people who are
wrecking their cars due to an overuse of text message paging.  Some
improvement.

>Being forced to listen to infantile babble with a phony southern
> accent was its own punishment for speeding.

At least those truckers give an honest presentation of themselves rather
than hiding behind some BS facade of class and poise.  I don't know what
makes you so much better than anyone else, but you need to get over the ego
trip soon.

>CB was the beginning of
> America's "let's all get stupid and turn over everything important to the
> Japanese and Germans" trend.

I don't see how CB radio has anything to do with Japan or Germany (unless
that's where a particular unit was built) but it must be nice to live in
such a delusory world.

Jeff V.
jeffv@1nce.com



On Tue, 15 May 2001, Merritt wrote:

> >   Traveling with trucks is nice as they spot out the hazards (cops,
> >construction, accidents, etc.) for you or get them relayed from the
trucks
> >on the other side going the other way who just passed through the rain,
> >deer, construction, etc.  It really makes it nice for traveling.  Keeps
you
> >awake, chat with people from across the US, etc.
>
-----------snip--------------

>
> Gotta get back on topic. OK, try this: When we caravan to an OPEN TRACK
> EVENT in my MITSUBISHI VR4 (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), we use little $39
> handheld Motorola two-way radios. They have a two-mile range, and
everybody
> in the caravan can talk to one another without worrying about civilians
> listening in. Whew! How about a big 10-4 on that, good buddy?
>
> Rich/old poop/Got my radio on. It fits good, too.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com>
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:03:06 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: CB antenna

Darren,

Thanks for the extensive reply.  I saw the picture of the antenna on your
car, and the looks still are not as inconspicuous as I would like them to
be.  I may have to buy a CB with a 1.5 ft. cellular lookalike antenna, and
if that doesn't give adequate reception, I would take a loss ($20-30) and
get a 3' antenna like yours.  By the way, are there any replacement
antenna's for the stock power one (without the big heavy base)?  Or maybe
the base can be hidden out of sight inside the trunk.

The small CB I was intrested in is caled COBRA 75 WX ST ($100).
http://www.wirelesspro.com/75wxst.html  It's a really tiny unit.  All the
controlls are on the talking microphone you hold in your hand.  Any of the
buttons will be easily accessible, but maybe I should rethink it and get a
unit that is stationary in the car.  I have 2 little 15 channel talking
radios (2 mile range) for use between caravanning cars and I hate holding it
in my hand while driving.  I'm going to get an earpiece and microphone combo
one of these days to free up my shifting hand.  However, the difference
between the CB and the little family talking radios is that on the CB I'll
be doing mostly listening, while on the little radio's I do 1/2 listening
ans 1/2 talking.

However, that still leaves me with the squelch controll button that I need
to play with.  How often do you tune the squelch?  What do you think about
the above option or any of the options below?

Other completely handheld units I just found:

Family CB Radios HH 37 ST http://www.wirelesspro.com/cobrahh37st.html
Family CB Radios Handheld HH 38 WX ST
http://www.wirelesspro.com/weatherradio1.html

Bonuses: NO ANTENNA
Drawbacks: range, unit has to be in line of sight and controlling the
squelch would probably be cumbersome.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:15:46 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: CB antenna

This is getting out of hand and definitely off topic.
I replied personally to Jeff off list.
If anybody else wants to insult me, defend truckers and teachers, and say
more stupid stuff like Jeff did, please contact me off list.
I am certain the listkeepers will have something smart to say if you don't
(good thing they are all asleep)

Rich

>Saying that CB radio is the reason for the downfall of America is about as
>asinine as blaming the internet for school shootings...

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:42:45 -0500
From: "Doug Garrott" <dgarrott@texas.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CB antenna

I have used a magnetic CB antenna off and on for over 20 years.  It has a
range of 3 - 5  miles depending on terrain.  I do use an SWR meter to tune
it whenever I stick it on a new car.  I use a cigarette lighter plug and
throw the CB on the floor behind my seat,  with the antenna cable running
out through the hatch.

Doug G
'93 VR4
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
To: "Darren Schilberg" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Cc: "Team3S" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Team3S: CB antenna


> Darren,
>
> Cool to see that you liked your CB.  I have been interested in getting a
CB
> mounted into my VR4, however haven't been able to come up with a good
> looking/normal looking antenna solution.  After talking to many CB
salesmen,
> they all say that the little cellular looking antenna's are worthless and
> that reception is not going to be good.  Everyone says I need one of those
6
> foot (?) whips with a big base.
>
> I am curious to know about your solution and how inconspicuous and GOOD
your
> setup is.  What is your predicted range (listen/talk)?  Certaily would
love
> to hear the truckies warn me of the radar/laser units up ahead.  Or maybe
I
> should just get some police/judge friends to get me out of the tickets
> (knock on wood, clear driving record so far).
>
> Also, where did you mount your CB unit?  I had in mind a small unit
($100),
> so I may not have any space issues.  The biggest issue is reception and
the
> big ugly antenna.
>
> -MIKE-
> 95 Red VR4
>
> From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
> Subject: Team3S: CB antenna
>
> For the trip to the East Coast Gathering I now have my very own CB.  I
used
> it this last weekend on a trip through Virginia (where radar detectors are
> illegal).  Boy are these truckers nice folks once they know you are on
their
> side.  It was like some clips from "Smokey and the Bandit" as my little
> black "four wheeler" darted around them sometimes.
> - --Flash!
> dschilberg@pobox.com
>
> 3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
> Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
> http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:31:42 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: CB antenna

Mike,

Glad to see you are researching this.  Let me point out a few things.

> Thanks for the extensive reply.  I saw the picture of the antenna on your
> car, and the looks still are not as inconspicuous as I would like them to
> be.

I put this on the trunk of the car (right in front of the wing in the middle
of the flat part) and it looks nice.  You will not get away from the antenna
being hidden.  Actually, I preferred it to be open where Trucks could see
it.  Then they knew they could talk to me and say "Thanks."


> The small CB I was intrested in is caled COBRA 75 WX ST ($100).
> http://www.wirelesspro.com/75wxst.html  It's a really tiny unit.  All the
> controlls are on the talking microphone you hold in your hand.

Handheld is not the way to go.  You can not look at the road and adjust the
buttons.  You are not shifting and talking on the CB.  I rarely shift out of
6th when cruising on the road and if I am then talking on the CB is not a
priority.


> However, that still leaves me with the squelch controll button that I need
> to play with.  How often do you tune the squelch?

I tune the squelch about four times a minute in high traffic conversation or
once every twenty minutes in long open stretches of silence.  I just keep my
hand on it and tune until static then back off a hair to adjust the
sensitivity.  It was busy on Friday on the Interstate so maybe that has
something to do with it.  My wife was sleeping so I didn't want all that
static cluttering up the space.

- --Flash!

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:32:29 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OEM alarm

> Mind if I ask if the hood has to be closed too since
> that also has a trip on it?

Probably, but the liklihood of setting it off with the hood open is lower.
:-)  When I still had a coupe, I set off the alarm a couple times with the
trunk open so I'm familiar with the alarm traps with that.

I'm pretty sure there is a detailed explanation in the owner's manual, but
I'm too lazy to go outside and look at it...  ;-)

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:12:57 -0400
From: "Donnelly, Michael" <DonnellM@ctc.com>
Subject: Team3S: tapping??

I have a question concerning a reoccurring tapping (almost sounds like
clicking) sound coming from my '94 TT.  It almost sounds like a lifter or
maybe the valve lash (but that can't be)?  It's usually audible at lower
speeds during downshifting.  Probable because of the lower road nose.  The
tapping is definitely RPM dependent and it seems like it's almost coming
from the timing belt area?  It has also been getting louder.

As an aside, I have a question about running a diagnostic to check my 'check
engine' light.  I have just bought the manual but I can't seem to find the
procedure of using a voltmeter to determine the cause of the 'check engine'
light coming on.  I believe it is because of the removal of the EGR valve
but I would like to make sure.

Thanks,
Mike Donnelly
'94 R/T TT
63,000 miles
Replaced timing belt at 61,000
Had a boost controller installed and usually run the car at 1 bar of boost
Removed EGR valve and had a K&N air filter installed

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:21:57 -0700
From: "Nickolaos M. Sgouros" <atenag@coqui.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Did your A/C compressor goes  on/off?

Hey  Daren
Thank you for your reply
Just set the A/C control to 65 Auto (not economy) and forget what is
happening inside the  car. Go open your  trunk and  listen the clutch of the
compressor; if after 5 mins of constant operation starts cycling  (on/ off)
with frequency aprox 15 sec. You can even have the cars doors open in order
the worm ambient to ask for full compressors operation. Mine is doing that
and from the dealer they told me that is normal. Personally I don't thing is
normal because our cars are having a circuit  named belt control  and many
sensors can cut the compressor. To my opinion if the compressor goes off
from the logic  unit (ex economy) the screen will show that the compressor
if off. But if the compressor goes out for any other reason then the red dot
of malfunction (alarm) has to appear on the screen. This is my confusion and
I cannot determine if is normal or not!


Nikos the Greek
92' RT TT
Puerto Rico

- -----Original Message-----
From: Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:01 PM
To: 'atenag@coqui.net'; 'Jim Berry'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Did your A/C compressor goes on/off?

I can set mine at 66 and it is on a setting speed of 1.  If I set it to 65
the speed comes on full bore and blows me back into the seat.  Even if it is
20 degrees outside or 100 degrees.  Eventually it figures out the difference
and slows down the speed.

However, under normal operating, I set it to either Auto or Econ and down to
65 and the fan comes on full bore and ice nearly starts to form (I had a
recharge of Freon in March with all the belts of the 60k tune-up).  This
could run for an hour I imagine like this.  No cycling.

Before, I would get warm air or lukewarm cold air (or in the winter it would
be cold to lukewarm air) because I had a leaking water pump that was losing
antifreeze and not keeping temperature even though the thermostat was good.

Maybe the belt on the AC compressor is slipping.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From:   Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent:   Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:31 PM
To:     Nickolaos M. Sgouros; Team3s
Subject:        Re: Team3S: Did your A/C compressor goes  on/off?

Is the air coming out of the vents cold or not ---- if a compressor is low
on freon it will cycle on and off like that.

        Jim Berry
=================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Nickolaos M. Sgouros <atenag@coqui.net>
To: Team3s <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Team3S: Did your A/C compressor goes on/off?


> Dear friends
> Only for the cars with climate control.
> Just I need to determine if this is normal or not. Please observe you're
A/C
> compressor after 4-5 min of operation @ 65 decrees to the set point. Reply
> to me personally and tell me if your compressor goes in/out with 15sec
> frequency. I checked the gas and the pressure sw. Are fine. I'm really
> confused if  this  is normal or no...PLEASE HELP!
>
> Nikos the Greek
> 92' RT TT
> Puerto Rico

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:23:18 EDT
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: CB antenna

Mike:

    If you look hard at radio shack, they may have an antenna that would suit
your needs.  years ago, I remember a "splitter" that would allow you to use
the stock car radio antenna as a FM feed to the stereo, and a CB antenna.
Though not as good as a full whip, it did work quite well.

Thor Holth (1991 R/T Turbo)

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:36:14 EDT
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: CB antenna

Mike:
    I apologize for the repetitive post. Check out the following links:

http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/am-fm-cb.htm
http://www.firestik.com/CatalogFrame.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Catalog/AR-1A.htm

This may be good reading, as it explains the difficulties with using hidden
antennas.  Personally, I would replace the stock AM/FM antenna with a slim
whip antenna mast and add the splitter.

Thor Holth  (1991 Stealth)

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:58:30 EDT
From: DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Iridium Spark Plugs?

Where can I get iridium spark plugs?  Also, what's the part number?
Thanks,
Paul
92RT
92RT/TT
3Si1127

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:00:59 -0400
From: Mark Creekmore <mcreekmore@usa.net>
Subject: Team3S: Pocketlogger (sort of off topic)

Hi all,

I have noticed that more people are starting to use the pocketlogger, I
have one myself. I wrote a program called DragStats that I use to keep
track of all of my racing statistics. You can download a demo at:
http://home.att.net/~palmstuff

If you want it, I'll give the full version to any member of Team3S for
free. Just email me privately.

Also, let me know if there is any other Team3S related palm app that I
can help out with.

Thanks,

Mark
92 Stealth R/T TT

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