team3s
Monday, May 14
2001
Volume 01 : Number
492
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Date:
Sun, 13 May 2001 19:06:52 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: intercooler water spray
> I'm currently running about 0.9
bar and getting about 320kW out of my
> VR4.
Dyno sheet available
?
> I've heard that water spray in the intercooler allows an extra 5-6
lb of
> boost.
In teh intercooler ? Not on our engines ! After the
intercooler is right but
then 15psi is still the limit due to the lack of
fuel the system is able to
deliver. You can inject water to increase octane
rating and cool the
chamber. In fact I was able to crunk up nosot to 1.18
kg/cm2 but onyl with
additional fuel.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:14:39
EDT
From:
GTOTLR@cs.comSubject:
Team3S: EGTs once again
I have been reading some of the archives on EGT
pyrometer locations and
actual EGT temperatures and have come up with
absolutely nothing. There have
been so many different opinions given
and it makes a decision hard to make.
So where is the best location to
tap the pyrometers in for both front and
rear turbos/banks/manifolds and
what types of temperatures can I expect at
idle/cruising/WOT running the
following mods:
15Gs, Denso fuel pump, 550cc injectors Apexi Super AFC,
ATR downpipe, ATR
high-flow cat, FIPK, Blitz DSBC, Magnecor 8.5mm wires,
etc.
Thanks in advance........
Royal K. Watkins
III
Senior Programmer
Analyst
T |SYS| Inc.
1995 Black 3000GT VR-4 (3SI
#210)
2000 Yellow TL1000R
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:28:19
-0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
PMS and InterACQ for 3000 GT VR4
Matt,
The following e-mail is a
bit long and it covers some the research I did in
fuel management
alternatives to the ARC-2 setup. These systems also happen
to be
replacemet ECUs. However, I am by no means expert in this field.
I
give you guys this info, so that someone with more knowledge can look
more
into it and report back to the list on their opinion.
>Is the
SMC a piggyback setup like the PMS, or does it completely
replace
the
>stock ECU?
The Autronics SMC or SM2 ECU is a complete
replacement for the stock ECU.
>What does it use to measure intake
airflow?
The ECU has Manifold Air Pressure (Internal to ECU) and Intake Air
Temp
Input.
>Seems like the Autronic has better tuning software,
including "automatic"
>tuning. Wonder how it knows what to tune
towards though (ie: what A/F
ratio
>to target at various boost
levels/loads, etc.).
User choice of manifold absolute pressure or throttle
position as engine
load input. Internal absolute pressure sensor for
simplified installation 0
to 200 kpa (0 to 29.4 PSI) and 0 to 300 kpa (0 to
44.1 PSI) available from
stock. 0 to 450 kpa (0 to 66.1 PSI) available on
request.
Closed loop (feedback) boost pressure control for turbocharged
engines with
multiple calibration curves selectable by switch input or road
speed (eg:-
lower boost curve for use in low gear).
Exhaust oxygen
sensor input for sensing air/fuel ratio. Connect either a
Bosch narrow band
O2 sensor or for more demanding applications a Bosch wide
band O2 sensor
($172) and Autronic Analyzer($925). The low cost narrow band
sensor requires
no interface adapters or expensive air/fuel ratio meters,
and offers moderate
accuracy and tolerance to leaded fuels. This function
can be used to monitor
air/fuel ratio during engine tuning or can be used
for feedback control of
air/fuel ratio for applications requiring exhaust
catalytic conversion
(feature available on request)......Keep in mind that
the Automatic tuning
function only works if you can provide the ECU with an
accurate O2 reading
(meaning you need a wideband 02 sensor and an Autronic
Analizer which has a
corrected O2 output connected to the ECU while tuning.
This must be a 0 to 1
volt with the 0v = 30:1 air fuel ratio and 1v = 10:1.
- -- Water
injection control is via one of the PWM (pulse width modulation)
output
tables or on/off tables depending on the method of water injection
control
required. It is up to you as to the way the water injection is
controlled as
both tables can be setup as 2D or 3D, with RPM, Load, TP as
the X and Y
axis. The ERL WI System 2c ($580) from UK (Roger Gerl has the
ERL
System 2s installed) can be used and controlled directly by the SM2
ECU.
$581.26 USD (PN: 806 008) WI system2c complete kit + HS valve (race
pump)
$395.50 USD (PN: 806 002) WI system1s complete kit – from
Boris
[smii@mediaone.net]
$695.50 USD (PN: 806 005) WI system2s complete
kit – from Boris
[smii@mediaone.net]
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INPUTS
Sensors
1. Ignition input Hall effect, (Also available for
direct
connection to magnetic reluctor type
pickups).
2. No. 1 cylinder reference. (Also available for
direct
connection to magnetic reluctor type
pickups).
3. Road speed input. Hall effect (Also available for
direct
connection to magnetic reluctor type
pickups).
4. Turbo speed input. Magnetic Reluctor (must use
optional
interface
adapter).
5. Barometric pressure. (Internal to
ECU).
6. Manifold pressure. (Internal to
ECU).
7. Throttle
position.
8. Intake air
temperature.
9. Engine coolant
temperature.
10. Exhaust back pressure
(optional).
11. Exhaust oxygen. (or optional Wide Range Air/Fuel
Ratio
Sensor).
Auxiliary
1. Air conditioner
request.
2. Boost curve
select.
Adjustments
1. Idle mixture trim. (Internal to ECU and screwdriver
adjustable
from outside).
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OUTPUTS
Main
1. 8 off injector driver. (Optional 2 injectors per
driver).
2. Ignition
output.
Open collector output to any of the
following:
1. Single coil high energy ignitions: Bosch 7 pin,
Mitsubishi 3
pin.
2. Autronic Capacitor Discharge
Ignition.
3. MSD 6A
etc..
(4 outputs are available allowing multi coil
distrubtor-less ignition for
applications on engines up to 8
cylinders).
Auxiliary
1. Fuel pump/injector fuel shut off safety
relay.
2. Air conditioner clutch
relay.
3. Engine/Air conditioner cooling fan
relay.
4. Engine cooling fan
relay.
5. Idle speed actuator. (Variable duty cycle single pole
type,
eg:- Bosch).
6. Turbocharger wastegate control valve. (SEM, most OEM
types
or Autronic low or high
capacity).
7. Turbocharger auxiliary butterfly control
motor.
8. Spare duty cycle output with user define
characteristic.
9. Fuel used pulse output. (for trip computer
function).
SERIAL
I/O
1. Communications with "IBM" compatible computer
for
calibration, fault diagnosis.
-
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I know this was a long e-mail. By
going to the Autronics and the EFI
Websites you can conpare the 2
systems.
http://www.turbofast.com.au/autronic/autronic.html
-- Autronics ECU and
Soft.
http://www.efisystems.com/ -- PMS
ECU and software
http://sun.science.wayne.edu/~mraicu/SM2_and_SMC_description.xls
-- a little
writeup I did on the SMC and the SM2 ECUs.
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Finally, if you want the full functionallity of
the ECU like listed above,
you will ned to spend:
$1,265.76
SM2
$146.05 Autotune Software
$924.98 Autronic A Model Analizer
$172.83
Bosch Wideband O2 Sensor
$48.68 Shipping SM2
$2,558.30
Total
You can come out much cheaper if you do not need the Autotune Soft,
Model A
annalizer, and Wideband O2 sensor (hmm...only $1300). Many of
the 3S owners
are getting by with the O2 readings from the stock O2
sensors. Maybe we can
still trick the Autotune function to work, but
then again, maybe not.
- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:51:11
-0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
PMS and InterACQ for 3000 GT VR4
Matt,
In an effort to be fair, I
tracked down the EFI PMS ECU and here is a direct
link to 2 *.PDF files that
cover all that you need to know about the PMS
system.
http://www.efisystems.com/manuals/mitsubishi/Mitsuins.pdfhttp://www.efisystems.com/interacq.htmhttp://www.efisystems.com/manuals/intacq/User's_Guide1.pdfPMS
System $999.00
3 bar map sensor $63.99 Optional
Windows software $299.00
Optional
Shipping ????
$1362 Total
- -MIKE-
95 Red
VR4
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:49:09
-0400
From: Rick <
melvin@gamewood.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: tire wear
If it's the inside on both tires,you need to
set the toe as it is toed
out.You might wanna check the tie rod's for play
also, as you won't be
able to get it set true if they're
loose.Luck,
RICK
Mark Hindelang wrote:
> my driver side
inside of the tire is starting to show some threads
> some strings are
already hanging out of it
>
> the tire over all seems to be strong,
and tight... the string threaded
> worn
> area seems to be tight as
well...
>
> why is this happening on just one side, why not the
other.
>
> the other side is wearing a little bit, but not
much...
>
> i used to have a major neg camber prob in the
front, the guy
> got it to within .6 degrees in spec. thats all he could
do with my RSR
> springs.
>
> any suggestions?? i
need to find some new rims and tires.. yuck.
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:25:22
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Yellow turn lights
That would depend on what your local
ordinance says. Can they be yellow?
On Sun, 13 May 2001, Andrzej
Artymowicz wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I live in Europe, Poland.
>
How can I get rear yellow turn lamps for my 3000GT?
> Any ideas?
>
> regards
>
> Andrzej Artymowicz
>
andrzej.artymowicz@wp.pl>
Poland
> tel. +48 601 250368 C
> tel. +48 22 6715375 H
>
> '95 Pearl Green 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed) 40000mi
-
---
Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@speedtoys.com>
California, USA
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:08:44
-0400
From: <
logic316@technologist.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Freewheeling or non-freewheeling?
Hi. I'm interested in
knowing if the engine for my particular car (base
model 1994 Dodge Stealth,
3.0L SOHC non-turbo) would sustain any valve
damage if the timing belt broke
or became stripped. I prefer not to go by
the 60,000 mile rule since I
can just look under the top timing belt cover
now and then and I'm certain I
can tell if the belt is deteriorating or not.
Still, I would like to know all
the risks involved (I really wonder why
nobody manufactures cars with a good
old fashioned timing chain anymore).
Thanks in advance.
- -
Frank
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:55:23
-0500
From: "cody" <
overclck@starband.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Freewheeling or non-freewheeling?
Should the timing belt
break - you risk the need for 6 new pistons, and 12
new valves (on the SOHC
engine you mentioned you had).
The condition of the timing belt is not
something you can just look at.
When I "looked" at mine while it was on the
car, it looked beautiful, no bad
markings, etc. etc... When I got it
off the car, its deteriorated condition
kinda scared me even. It was 5K
miles past due when I changed it. The
timing belt condition is not
always the source of failure though.
Generally, the tensioner goes bad, or
the belt stretches so much so that the
tensioner no longer keeps proper
tension on the belt, thus causing slippage,
thus causing interference, thus
causing serious damage.
Change it....
- -Cody
-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of
logic316@technologist.comSent:
Sunday, May 13, 2001 10:09 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Freewheeling or non-freewheeling?
Hi. I'm
interested in knowing if the engine for my particular car (base
model 1994
Dodge Stealth, 3.0L SOHC non-turbo) would sustain any valve
damage if the
timing belt broke or became stripped. I prefer not to go by
the 60,000
mile rule since I can just look under the top timing belt cover
now and then
and I'm certain I can tell if the belt is deteriorating or not.
Still, I
would like to know all the risks involved (I really wonder why
nobody
manufactures cars with a good old fashioned timing chain anymore).
Thanks in
advance.
- - Frank
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:49:05
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Freewheeling or non-freewheeling?
We have what's called an
interference engine. If the timing belt breaks, it
lunches the motor big
time. Pistons eat valves, rivers of molten lava flow
from the exhaust, dogs
live with cats, and other horrid things happen.
Change the belt.
Rich
I made up the part about the dogs and cats.
At 11:08
PM 5/13/01 -0400,
logic316@technologist.com
wrote:
>
>Hi. I'm interested in knowing if the engine for my
particular car (base
>model 1994 Dodge Stealth, 3.0L SOHC non-turbo) would
sustain any valve
>damage if the timing belt broke or became stripped.
*** Info:
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:11:10
-0500
From: "john adams" <
johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Freewheeling or non-freewheeling?
as for the timing belt, i
suppose the largest factor is
that it is lighter and better suited for
wrapping up into the
higher rpms range. though that isn't to say there
aren't tweaked
V8's getting up to the 10,000's with all metal, double
rollers
for instance, chains.
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
"Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To:
<
logic316@technologist.com>;
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Freewheeling or
non-freewheeling?
> We have what's called an interference engine.
If the timing belt breaks, it
> lunches the motor big time. Pistons eat
valves, rivers of molten lava flow
> from the exhaust, dogs live with
cats, and other horrid things happen.
> Change the belt.
>
>
Rich
>
> I made up the part about the dogs and cats.
>
> At 11:08 PM 5/13/01 -0400,
logic316@technologist.com
wrote:
> >
> >Hi. I'm interested in knowing if the
engine for my particular car (base
> >model 1994 Dodge Stealth, 3.0L
SOHC non-turbo) would sustain any valve
> >damage if the timing belt
broke or became stripped.
*** Info:
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:08:51
-0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Freewheeling or non-freewheeling?
We have what's called an
interference engine. If the timing belt breaks, it
lunches the motor big
time. Pistons eat valves, rivers of molten lava flow
from the exhaust, dogs
live with cats, and other horrid things happen.
Change the belt.
Rich
I made up the part about the dogs and cats.
At 11:08
PM 5/13/01 -0400,
logic316@technologist.com
wrote:
>
>Hi. I'm interested in knowing if the engine for my
particular car (base
>model 1994 Dodge Stealth, 3.0L SOHC non-turbo) would
sustain any valve
>damage if the timing belt broke or became stripped.
*** Info:
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:27:20
-0500
From: "Kunal S." <
WatsDaDeliO@msn.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: Ceiling Cleaning
they make a upholstry cleaner for cars just
get that and use it. it works
wonders. you can use it to clean
carpets, seats, floormats, etc...
kunal s.
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Mark Hindelang" <
hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
To:
<
BaDSeRb83@aol.com>; "Stealth Net"
<
stealth@starnet.net>;
"Team3S"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:51 PM
Subject: Team3S: Re: Ceiling
Cleaning
> ahaha..
> well before any of you start calling
the police and turning me in i
> thought i better post
this.
>
> no i wasn't murdering.. i mean working on the car
you cut your finger
> type of blood stains.
> hahah. . only 2 to be
exact, and they are quite mild. hehe...
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:57:23
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Yellow turn lights
>That would depend on what your local
ordinance says. Can they be yellow?
In fact all turn lights should
be yellow/amber here in Europe ! Only
imports are allowed to have red
ones.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:46:02
-0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Ceiling Cleaning
Honestly the best stuff I have found is
a product I saw on TV (yes I fell
for the ad). It is called Quick 'n
Brite and it DOES work well. Use it
with a stiff nail brush (the kind
you use on nail after working in grease
and dirt) and goop it on then take a
clean terry cloth towel and wipe it
off.
A smoker owned the car before
me and I can tell which part I have cleaned
the nicotine out of and which
part I have not.
Note: This also makes good glass cleaner, tile cleaner,
carpet cleaner, etc.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race
seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm-
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal S.
[mailto:WatsDaDeliO@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:27 AM
To:
Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Ceiling Cleaning
they make a upholstry
cleaner for cars just get that and use it. it works
wonders. you
can use it to clean carpets, seats, floormats, etc...
kunal
s.
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