team3s             Thursday, May 10 2001             Volume 01 : Number 488




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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:04:35 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: leaking lubricant

I have a similar leak in my '93 3K base.
It was power steering fluid.

Victor

- -----Original Message-----
From: Berrios, Victor L [mailto:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:02 PM
To: 'team3s@stealth-3000gt.st'
Subject: RE: Team3S: leaking lubricant


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:47 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: leaking lubricant

> It is a golden, amber color on the car in drip form, but
> nearly clear on my finger tip. It is all over the
> front of the transmission, and has blown across the
> bottom.

Sounds like tranny fluid to me.  There's a little rubber breather on top of
the tranny - see if the fluid trail leads you there.  Most likely that's
your culprit.  My car does it also after high-speed runs.  I guess the gears
just whip around enough tranny fluid that some of it makes its way through
the breather.  I've considered it "normal" for my car and haven't personally
found a fix.

> It tastes horrible (yes, I utilize all my senses
> to try to discover what something is.)

Gack!  Not sure how tasting it helps - I'd think most all the fluids would
taste awful.  Much easier (and safer) to just follow the trail.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:02:01 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: leaking lubricant

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:47 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: leaking lubricant


> It is a golden, amber color on the car in drip form, but
> nearly clear on my finger tip. It is all over the
> front of the transmission, and has blown across the
> bottom.

Sounds like tranny fluid to me.  There's a little rubber breather on top of
the tranny - see if the fluid trail leads you there.  Most likely that's
your culprit.  My car does it also after high-speed runs.  I guess the gears
just whip around enough tranny fluid that some of it makes its way through
the breather.  I've considered it "normal" for my car and haven't personally
found a fix.

> It tastes horrible (yes, I utilize all my senses
> to try to discover what something is.)

Gack!  Not sure how tasting it helps - I'd think most all the fluids would
taste awful.  Much easier (and safer) to just follow the trail.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:23:33 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)

> Add about 3k to the Hennessey model (parts and scarcity), and that brings
> the other to about 18k retail.
[Willis, Charles E.]  In my limited experience, the presence of
modifications does not (should not) increase the monetary value of these
cars.  The buyer may not know the condition of the mods, the buyer may not
desire these mods enough to go out and do them himself, and the mods may be
a liability in terms of any extended service warranty that the buyer may
want, especially on a low mileage car.

> The following is my opinion:
>    If you are looking for Pearl Yellow, it was a specially requested
> color,
> so add about $1k to each (that is, if you are explicitly looking for pearl
>
> yellow).
[Willis, Charles E.] Conversely, the color being what the color is,
you may want to deduct the cost of a visit to Earl Scheib!

> Also, low mileage is really underrated in terms of value, in my opinion
> (very hard to find mileage this low).  Add another $1500 to each.
[Willis, Charles E.] 
Substantiated low mileage is indeed a good thing.  You should ask
WHY the mileage is so low - the chassis may have spent a good deal of time
sitting in a wrecking yard.  Age is STILL a factor.  Non-metallic materials
(belts, hoses, and tires) continue to age (oxidize and embrittle) even when
properly garaged.

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:24:39 EDT
From: MerisaPDX@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: SS lines

I would like a set for my 1991 Stealth RT 24 Valve non-turbo if they are
available

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:47:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: SS lines

They are, please send Email to the listed address everyone..please.  I
cant catch all the requests that dont funnel to the right place the right
way.

Thanks!

Merisa:  Gotcha!  Email me personally...your shipping address with a
subject as [SS lines] and I will get you the data.

On Wed, 9 May 2001 MerisaPDX@aol.com wrote:

> I would like a set for my 1991 Stealth RT 24 Valve non-turbo if they are
> available

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:54:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: SS Final Final price

$144+shipping/taxes/beer

Just nailed it down completely.

Those of you with requests in..will get replies and instructions.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:48:58 EDT
From: DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Coolant Flush?

Hi everyone, Summer is finally upon us here in the northeast and I'd like to
flush my coolant so I won't have any over-heating problems.  I bought
Prestone Coolant flush and 3 gallons of coolant for my 92RT/TT.  The problem
is I can't find the drain for the coolant in the radiator.  Also, I don't
want to just drain the coolant, but flush it out.  I use presurized water to
force all the coolant out of the engine, right?  After that how do I amke
sure that I got most of the water out and replaced it with coolant?  I have
done it to a small block 350, but japanese engines have too many hoses for me
to see what hose would be the optimal place to drain.flush through.  =)  I'm
sure I could figure it out if stared at it for a while, but I don't want to
mess anything up.  Also, what is the exact amount of coolant that goes in our
cars?  I'm sure it's on Jeff's website somewhere, but I didn't see it.
Thanks,
Paul
92RT
92RT/TT
3SI#1127

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Flush?

Yer first mistake was buying coolant.

Get distilled water and two bottles of redline water wetter.  Call it done
till late fall, then drain a couple quarts and add antifreeze.

Run the drill again next spring (since you should flush once a year
anyway)

On Wed, 9 May 2001 DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com wrote:

> Hi everyone, Summer is finally upon us here in the northeast and I'd like to
> flush my coolant so I won't have any over-heating problems.  I bought
> Prestone Coolant flush and 3 gallons of coolant for my 92RT/TT.  The problem
> is I can't find the drain for the coolant in the radiator.  Also, I don't
> want to just drain the coolant, but flush it out.  I use presurized water to
> force all the coolant out of the engine, right?  After that how do I amke
> sure that I got most of the water out and replaced it with coolant?  I have
> done it to a small block 350, but japanese engines have too many hoses for me
> to see what hose would be the optimal place to drain.flush through.  =)  I'm
> sure I could figure it out if stared at it for a while, but I don't want to
> mess anything up.  Also, what is the exact amount of coolant that goes in our
> cars?  I'm sure it's on Jeff's website somewhere, but I didn't see it.
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 92RT
> 92RT/TT
> 3SI#1127

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:53:13 EDT
From: DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Flush?

Ok, so I bought the coolant for my girlfriend.  =) 
How do I go about getting all of the coolant out of my engine?

> Yer first mistake was buying coolant.

>  Get distilled water and two bottles of redline water wetter.  Call it done
>  till late fall, then drain a couple quarts and add antifreeze.

>  Run the drill again next spring (since you should flush once a year
>  anyway)

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:56:39 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: Team3S: EFI Systems PMS testers wanted

The original message was posted to the Talon Digest.  Anyone here want to
help?  This could be a good benefit for our cars to get the PMS working on
3/S.  I'd do it, but Minnesota is a LONG way from South Carolina.

- --------

Subject: 3000gt test car
From:    EFI Systems Inc Doug W <efidoug@mindspring.com>
Date:    8 May 2001 08:47:04
Message-ID: <#38>
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Its been a long time since I posted it seems like it's a whole new group of
racers. I am looking for any 3000gt owners interested in testing the new PMS
I have finally got back on this project and completed the first
preproduction run but I need some beta testers hopfully in the
Anderson/Clemson SC area or willing to take a 2hr drive from Atl. Please
contact me via Email at efidoug@mindspring.com    Thanks for another great
year in PMS sales they just keep getting better and thanks for the bandwidth
Todd you done yourself proud when you birthed this best.

Doug W
EFI Systems Inc

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:02:15 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh \(3S\)" <stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
Subject: Team3S: PMS testing!

Just got this off the DSM/Talon Digest,
___________________
Subject: 3000gt test car
From:    EFI Systems Inc Doug W <efidoug@mindspring.com>
Date:    8 May 2001 08:47:04
Message-ID: <#38>
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Its been a long time since I posted it seems like it's a whole new
group of
racers. I am looking for any 3000gt owners interested in testing the
new PMS
I have finally got back on this project and completed the first
preproduction run but I need some beta testers hopfully in the
Anderson/Clemson SC area or willing to take a 2hr drive from Atl.
Please
contact me via Email at efidoug@mindspring.com    Thanks for another
great
year in PMS sales they just keep getting better and thanks for the
bandwidth
Todd you done yourself proud when you birthed this best.

Doug W
EFI Systems Inc
____________________

The PMS system is somewhere between a full blown aftermarket ECU and a
piggy back computer (VPC/AFC). It has datalogging, and a decent track
record for a number of DSM cars. People say it's finicky, and hard to
program, but it didn't look too hard the last time I saw it, and
supposedly, it has better software/interface now! Check it out!

Vinny Singh
http://www.kaizentuning.com/
http://manualcd.dsm.org/ - DSM & 3/S Service manuals on CDROM


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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant Flush?

Drain it, flush it.

On Wed, 9 May 2001 DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com wrote:

> Ok, so I bought the coolant for my girlfriend.  =) 
> How do I go about getting all of the coolant out of my engine?
>
> > Yer first mistake was buying coolant.
> > 
> >  Get distilled water and two bottles of redline water wetter.  Call it done
> >  till late fall, then drain a couple quarts and add antifreeze.
> > 
> >  Run the drill again next spring (since you should flush once a year
> >  anyway)

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:08:08 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)

I bought it back in March 2001. It was from a dealer in PR. The owner was
selling the car for a friend. They were asking $26K. I offered $24K.

Victor
'93 3K GT Black
'96 VR-4 Pearl White

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:16 AM
To: 'Berrios, Victor L'
Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)


When did you buy it?

I paid $20,500 for my '94 VR4 coupe four years ago with 34,000 miles on it.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Berrios, Victor L [mailto:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:00 AM
> To: 'TEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)
>
>
> FYI
> I paid $24K for my '96 VR-4 Pearl White, 14K miles.
>
> R/ Victor
> ,93 3K GT Black
> '96 VR-4 Pearl White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dg B [mailto:dbretton@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> >All,
> >Received an email today from a Mr. Mike Swinney from Winners Dodge in
> >Woodhaven, Michigan.  Both of them are 1994 Dodge Stealth
> R/T Twin Turbo's
> >with the Pearl Yellow paint job, totally loaded with
> Sunroof, Infinity
> >Sound
> >and Chrome Wheels.  One of them has 15,000 miles and is
> unmodified, they
> >are
> >asking $21,995.00 for it.  The other one hasn't been titled,
> has 8,000
> >miles
> >on it and has been upgraded with Hennessey Turbo's (never
> heard of that
> >modification but I have asked for specifics/clarification),
> they are asking
> >$25,000 for that one.
>
> Okay.  I thought that I would lend a little more info on this one.
> I looked up the "true" value on these puppies, referencing
> the NADA (little
> orange book) value (Kelley's is written by/for car dealers).
>                                     Trade-in    Retail
> 1994 Stealth Henn TT, 8k miles:     13,125      15,530
> 1994 Stealth TT, 15k miles:         13,125      15,530
>
> Add about 3k to the Hennessey model (parts and scarcity), and
> that brings
> the other to about 18k retail.
>
> The following is my opinion:
>    If you are looking for Pearl Yellow, it was a specially
> requested color,
> so add about $1k to each (that is, if you are explicitly
> looking for pearl
> yellow).
> Also, low mileage is really underrated in terms of value, in
> my opinion
> (very hard to find mileage this low).  Add another $1500 to each.
>
> This would bring the retail value to about $20,000 and $17,000,
> respectively.
> Of course, it is not a good "deal" unless you can get the car
> for somewhere
> between NADA trade-in and NADA retail.
> If anyone is seriously considering these cars, your goal
> should be to pay
> about $17k, and $15k, respectively.
>
> I hope this helps!
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis Bretton

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:32:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: SS lines

Please send $175 to gemohler@speedtoys.com via paypal, and the order will
place within the hour of receipt, and ship within 2 days.

You'll even get your own shiny UPS van to deliver it!

On Wed, 9 May 2001 MerisaPDX@aol.com wrote:

> I would like a set for my 1991 Stealth RT 24 Valve non-turbo if they are
> available

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:24:00 -0500
From: "Craig Golema" <CGOLEMA@hobbico.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)

I purchased my fully loaded Firestorm Red 94' TT privately (with some help from a dealership) last November for $17k. She had 16,225 miles on her when I drove it away.

FWIW

Craig
94' TT Red

>>> "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil> 05/09/01 01:08PM >>>
I bought it back in March 2001. It was from a dealer in PR. The owner was
selling the car for a friend. They were asking $26K. I offered $24K.

Victor
'93 3K GT Black
'96 VR-4 Pearl White

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt [mailto:mjannusch@marketwatch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:16 AM
To: 'Berrios, Victor L'
Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)


When did you buy it?

I paid $20,500 for my '94 VR4 coupe four years ago with 34,000 miles on it.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Berrios, Victor L [mailto:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:00 AM
> To: 'TEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
> Subject: RE: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)
>
>
> FYI
> I paid $24K for my '96 VR-4 Pearl White, 14K miles.
>
> R/ Victor
> ,93 3K GT Black
> '96 VR-4 Pearl White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dg B [mailto:dbretton@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: 2 Deals on 1994 Stealth's TT (Pearl Yellow)
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> >All,
> >Received an email today from a Mr. Mike Swinney from Winners Dodge in
> >Woodhaven, Michigan.  Both of them are 1994 Dodge Stealth
> R/T Twin Turbo's
> >with the Pearl Yellow paint job, totally loaded with
> Sunroof, Infinity
> >Sound
> >and Chrome Wheels.  One of them has 15,000 miles and is
> unmodified, they
> >are
> >asking $21,995.00 for it.  The other one hasn't been titled,
> has 8,000
> >miles
> >on it and has been upgraded with Hennessey Turbo's (never
> heard of that
> >modification but I have asked for specifics/clarification),
> they are asking
> >$25,000 for that one.
>
> Okay.  I thought that I would lend a little more info on this one.
> I looked up the "true" value on these puppies, referencing
> the NADA (little
> orange book) value (Kelley's is written by/for car dealers).
>                                     Trade-in    Retail
> 1994 Stealth Henn TT, 8k miles:     13,125      15,530
> 1994 Stealth TT, 15k miles:         13,125      15,530
>
> Add about 3k to the Hennessey model (parts and scarcity), and
> that brings
> the other to about 18k retail.
>
> The following is my opinion:
>    If you are looking for Pearl Yellow, it was a specially
> requested color,
> so add about $1k to each (that is, if you are explicitly
> looking for pearl
> yellow).
> Also, low mileage is really underrated in terms of value, in
> my opinion
> (very hard to find mileage this low).  Add another $1500 to each.
>
> This would bring the retail value to about $20,000 and $17,000,
> respectively.
> Of course, it is not a good "deal" unless you can get the car
> for somewhere
> between NADA trade-in and NADA retail.
> If anyone is seriously considering these cars, your goal
> should be to pay
> about $17k, and $15k, respectively.
>
> I hope this helps!
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis Bretton

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:51:46 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel system questions

I'm looking for the "fuel relay II" on my car.  Its the one that switches
between full voltage to the fuel pump or reduced voltage via a resistor
located under the fusebox in the engine compartment.  The resistor box is an
aluminum-looking box with some heatsink ridges on it and two wires coming
out going to a connector.  Does anyone have a CA emissions '95 VR4 that can
look and see if there's a relay connected to that aluminum resistor pack?

The resistor pack on my car is connected into a plug under the fuse box and
then it leads straight into the wiring harness near the battery.  I was
under the impression that there is supposed to be a relay somewhere
under/near the fusebox that controls current flow to go either through the
resistor pack or direct to the fuel pump.

I'm just trying to figure out if it is supposed to be under the hood
somewhere like on earlier years (and '95 non-CA) or if it got moved
somewhere else on the Spyder, or if the voltage now always goes through the
resistor pack on its way to the fuel pump (doesn't make sense, but as far as
I can tell this is how my car is configured).

Diagrams are found on manual pages 13A-204 in the 3000GT service manual.

Thanks for any info!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:59:46 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: EFI Systems PMS testers wanted

By the way, the PMS would supply datalogging capabilities to any year of
3/S.  A benefit worth its cost even if there was no performance increase for
those of us stuck with the '94-95 ECU's.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:38:16 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens

It's not that hard.

1.  Pull the wheel, caliper and rotor off.
2.  Take off the wheel hub nut
3.  You should be able to push the axle in enough to get a wrench around the
4 bolts for the hub assembly.
4.  Loosen the 4 bolts until they are almost all the way out.
5.  I then put a gear puller on the hub assembly, but not with enough force
to pull the hub apart.
6.  Tap on the 4 bolts with a hammer and the hub assembly should pop out.
7.  Then lugs are easy to replace with the hub assembly off.

Step number 5, can be done different ways, I didn't want to risk destroying
the hub assembly since my car has spent a winter in the north and had quite
a bit of corrosion.

Michael
98 VR4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Merritt
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 17:33
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens
>
>
> We (me and the boys at Denny's Mufflers) put the 1/2 in.
> wheel spacers on
> my 94 VR4 today. I'd like to tell you it was real easy, but
> it wasn't. I
> know that it CAN be done simply, but we couldn't, for two reasons:
>
> 1. The left side halfshaft had a cut dustcover/sleeve, so we
> had to take
> the entire axle out to replace the cover.
> 2. The right side wheel bearing came apart, so although it
> was then easy to
> pull the hub and knock out the old lugs, this is not a recommended
> solution. I'll be getting the wheel bearing repaired at the
> dealer under
> warranty. Parts had to be ordered, you see.
>
> It LOOKS like you can do this:
> 1. Remove caliper and rotor
> 2. Remove wheel bearing nut.
> 3. Remove four bolts on the back of  the wheel hub.
> 4. Knock back the axle with a hammer until the wheel hub comes loose.
> 5. Manipulate the wheel hub so you can drive out the stock
> wheel studs and
> insert the longer studs.
> 6. Reassemble.
>
> As I said, we did not do this because of the problems
> encountered. This is
> the way I've seen stock studs replaced on my car before,
> although I am not
> positive that you can do this with the longer studs. Does anyone know?
>
> In any case, both spacers are in. I do not recommend doing this job
> yourself unless you have an entire weekend to devote to it,
> or you have had
> your front axles/hubs out before and know how to do all this stuff.
> However, it is a relatively simple job for a brake shop, who
> does this kind
> of work every day.
>
>  (Example: when Denny's mechanic <Perry, the ace front end
> guy> got the
> axle out, he insisted on taking the constant velocity joint
> apart so he
> could clean and regrease it. "Mighta got some dirt in there
> from the torn
> dust cover," he says.  "How does it come off the axle?," I asked, all
> worried, because all I could see was ball bearings surrounded
> by grease.
> "Ah, ya just tap it with a hammer," says Perry. A light tap,
> and out it
> came, slick as a whistle.  If it was me, I'd still be on the
> net asking you
> guys how to take the sucka apart.)
>
> GOOD NEWS MAYBE!!
> For all of you who are considering an upgrade to Brad's Big
> Red kit on a
> 1st gen car (91-93), you MAY NOT need to buy 94 and up wheels!  Please
> check with Brad, of course, but those spacers put a full half inch of
> distance between the inside of the wheel spokes and the
> Porsche caliper. It
> MAY BE that you can install spacers instead of buying new
> wheels. At $100
> plus labor, that's a whole lot less money than four 94+
> wheels and a set of
>  tires. I don't have a 1st gen, so I don't know where the
> clearance problem
> occurs, but I recall someone saying that the Big Reds ALMOST
> fit a 1st gen,
> but have only a credit card width of clearance. If so, maybe
> spacers are
> the answer.
>
> It should be easy enough to check: Anyone that has a 2nd gen car with
> spacers could attempt to mount 1st gen wheels. If the spacers
> allow 1st gen
> wheels to fit over a 94+ brake caliper, they should easily
> fit over the Big
> Reds. If there is anyone in Iowa who wants to try it, give me
> a shout.
>
> In the meantime, PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME SPACERS WILL WORK UNTIL BRAD OR
> SOMEONE ELSE ON THE LIST VERIFIES IT.
>
> OFF TOPIC
> I wandered next door to the cycle shop, because I saw two
> Yamaha 650s being
> worked on (these are based on the old Triumph 650cc
> Bonneville design, and
> have always been one of my favorite bikes). One had a 1985
> license plate. I
> asked the mechanic what the deal was, and he said that people
> are getting
> motorcycles out of storage, where they have been for the past 15 years
> (like this one), because of  high gas prices. He has a very
> brisk business
> now in starting up old motorcycles and putting them back on
> the road. A
> sign of the times, eh?
>
> Rich/old poop/94 VR4
> Big Reds, 1/2 in. spacers, Porterfield stock rotors.

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:11:27 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens

add step zero - remove the wheel, remove the cotter pin holding the wheel
hub nut, imobilize the wheel either by having assistant stand on the brakes
or reinstalling the wheel and lowering the weight of the car onto the wheel,
then loosen the wheel hub nut which requires application of some force.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dorsey [SMTP:mdorsey@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:38 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens
>
> It's not that hard.
>
> 1.  Pull the wheel, caliper and rotor off.
> 2.  Take off the wheel hub nut
> 3.  You should be able to push the axle in enough to get a wrench around
> the
> 4 bolts for the hub assembly.
> 4.  Loosen the 4 bolts until they are almost all the way out.
> 5.  I then put a gear puller on the hub assembly, but not with enough
> force
> to pull the hub apart.
> 6.  Tap on the 4 bolts with a hammer and the hub assembly should pop out.
> 7.  Then lugs are easy to replace with the hub assembly off.
>
> Step number 5, can be done different ways, I didn't want to risk
> destroying
> the hub assembly since my car has spent a winter in the north and had
> quite
> a bit of corrosion.
>
> Michael
> 98 VR4

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:11:05 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens

You're correct.

Don't forget the cotter pin.  An impact wrench will most likely be needed to
remove the wheel hub nut.  I broke a 3/4 inch breaker bar trying to remove
one of them.

Michael
98 VR4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 19:11
> To: 'Michael Dorsey'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens
>
>
> add step zero - remove the wheel, remove the cotter pin
> holding the wheel
> hub nut, imobilize the wheel either by having assistant stand
> on the brakes
> or reinstalling the wheel and lowering the weight of the car
> onto the wheel,
> then loosen the wheel hub nut which requires application of
> some force.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Dorsey [SMTP:mdorsey@mindspring.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:38 PM
> > To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens
> >
> > It's not that hard.
> >
> > 1.  Pull the wheel, caliper and rotor off.
> > 2.  Take off the wheel hub nut
> > 3.  You should be able to push the axle in enough to get a
> wrench around
> > the
> > 4 bolts for the hub assembly.
> > 4.  Loosen the 4 bolts until they are almost all the way out.
> > 5.  I then put a gear puller on the hub assembly, but not
> with enough
> > force
> > to pull the hub apart.
> > 6.  Tap on the 4 bolts with a hammer and the hub assembly
> should pop out.
> > 7.  Then lugs are easy to replace with the hub assembly off.
> >
> > Step number 5, can be done different ways, I didn't want to risk
> > destroying
> > the hub assembly since my car has spent a winter in the
> north and had
> > quite
> > a bit of corrosion.
> >
> > Michael
> > 98 VR4


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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:41:58 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: Front Strut Tower Bar For3000GT/StealthwithSTOCK Hood!

I am very curious as to the effects of the front bar on the cars handling.
My rear bar (cusco) has definitely reduced rear roll to the point where now
the front plows much more noticeable in high speed turns.  The front just
feels much looser now that the rear strut bar is in place.

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>
To: Todd D.Shelton <tds@brightok.net>; Volthause <volt@vozuluzov.com>;
3000GT <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: Front Strut Tower Bar For3000GT/StealthwithSTOCK
Hood!


>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Todd D.Shelton <tds@brightok.net>
>> ------
>>
>> I've had good experiences with a front strut bar on a different
>> vehicle - for whatever reason.
>>
>> I've been wanting a matching set - to match the rear strut bar
>> (which does help) for my TT for years now.
>>
>> If someone would be so good as to take my money
>> and ship one to me - I'll pass along my own analysis. :)
>
>
>I'd have to agree ---- unless the price is exorbitant I'll have to try
>one out also. I would expect to see less improvement than on some
>cars --- the strut towers on our cars is tucked up tight to the firewall
>and should be fairly rigid,  in the RX7 the towers are farther forward
>as was my old 240Z. The more wobble in the tower the more effective
>a tower brace.
>Let's get going on this project.
>
>    Jim Berry

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:47:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Oleg Malkin <olegmalkin@yahoo.com>
Subject: [none]

I have a base 93 Dodge Stealth
all my friends are telling me they got cold air
intakes
on their accords and avengers. I was thinking of
getting an intake but I don't know what the difference
is between FIPK and cold air intakes (in fact, I don't
even know if they make one for our cars). What about
stillen? How are they different?

                                       Oleg

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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:19:42 -0500
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: Front Strut Tower Bar For3000GT/StealthwithSTOCK Hood!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Sam Shelat <sshelat@erols.com>
To: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>; Todd D.Shelton <tds@brightok.net>;
Volthause <volt@vozuluzov.com>; 3000GT <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: Front Strut Tower Bar For3000GT/StealthwithSTOCK
Hood!


>I am very curious as to the effects of the front bar on the cars handling.
>My rear bar (cusco) has definitely reduced rear roll to the point where now
>the front plows much more noticeable in high speed turns.  The front just
>feels much looser now that the rear strut bar is in place.
>
>Sam

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

BTW - the front strut bar recently posted is not the first that has been
made which fits under a stock hood.

I have a friend in Germany who built one quiet a while back - maybe 2 years
now?  He sent pics and it looked very nice with chrome and was 2 or 3 point
boltdown on each side.  He was still tweaking the design last time we
emailed
eachother.  He originally had plans to market and sell but has been
sidetracked
with business, family etc.

I still have the pics. (somewhere?)

He is a US citizen working in Germany.  Some of you may know who I'm
speaking
of but I don't want to list his name so he isn't hit with a barrage of
requests. :)

So - it can be done - very nicely in fact.  If someone would just do it/mass
produce it.


- - tds

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:55:58 -0500
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Upper Midwest Gathering....9 days away!!

Hey everyone,

The Upper Midwest 3/S Gathering is only 9 days away.  This gathering will be
in Wisconsin Dells, May 18-20.  Some of the events include, boat cruise,
dinner, two lunches, attending a car show, go-karts, a rural driving cruise,
rollar coasters, and a BBQ cookout.

Can you believe all of that in one weekend??  And to top it all off us 3/S
nuts will all be staying at the same resort!!  Interested??  Its not too
late.....  All the details for signing up and getting hotel reservations are
at:
http://www.mn3s.org/upper-midwest.html

Right now we have 26 people signed up on the mailing list and 14 have made
hotel reservations.  Come join the fun!!

later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org


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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:19:50 -0400
From: "Volthause" <volt@vozuluzov.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Woes...

Interesting... Leith Mitsubishi in Raleigh NC quoted me a price of $76.92
for the slave cylinder, and I'd have to order it since they don't stock it.
Where can I get it for around $40?

Thanks,
Scott Holthausen
'94 VR4

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Middaugh <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
To: Volthause <volt@vozuluzov.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Woes...


> This is most likely a blown slave cylinder seal.  You can get a rebuild
kit
> for under $8 or replace the whole slave cylinder for about $40.
>
> Good luck,
> Ken


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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:41:43 +0200
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Clutch Woes...

Scott,

I'm about to order one myself.  Here is the quote I received from
www.mitsupartsdirect.com, good thru 5/31/01 with free shipping:

MB670290 Slave cylinder $46.67

You can order online or contact Mike Deal, mike@mitsupartsdirect.com, TOLL
FREE 1-800-962-9974.  Good luck!

- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Volthause
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:20 PM
To: 3000GT
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Woes...


Interesting... Leith Mitsubishi in Raleigh NC quoted me a price of $76.92
for the slave cylinder, and I'd have to order it since they don't stock it.
Where can I get it for around $40?

Thanks,
Scott Holthausen
'94 VR4


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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:53:25 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel system questions

Okay, since nobody could help on the fuel pump relay question here's another
one:

If the car is idling and you take off the vacuum hose leading to the fuel
pressure regulator (blue stripe on black hose at throttle body), is there
vacuum in the hose leading to the FPR solenoid on the firewall?  Mine has
vacuum and I'm pretty sure it should be atmospheric pressure at idle.  Just
need to verify my suspicions before I start digging into the car further.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:09:10 -0500
From: "Doug Garrott" <dgarrott@texas.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Woes...

I got mine from Tallahassee Mitsuishi for about $40.

Doug G
'93 VR4
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Volthause" <volt@vozuluzov.com>
To: "3000GT" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Woes...


> Interesting... Leith Mitsubishi in Raleigh NC quoted me a price of $76.92
> for the slave cylinder, and I'd have to order it since they don't stock
it.
> Where can I get it for around $40?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott Holthausen
> '94 VR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Middaugh <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
> To: Volthause <volt@vozuluzov.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch Woes...
>
>
> > This is most likely a blown slave cylinder seal.  You can get a rebuild
> kit
> > for under $8 or replace the whole slave cylinder for about $40.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Ken

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