team3s              Tuesday, May 8 2001              Volume 01 : Number 486




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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:56:16 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking to upgrade

In addition to what's already been said about the '94 Stealth TT...  I agree
that it's the best year for "normal" slight mods.  And as a "Stealth guy", I
also prefer its more understated styling over the VR4.   But the 2nd gen
'94+ of both 3S lines is also "beefier" in a number of component areas--
plus it has better impact protection, with a number of upgraded "crumple
zones", and it comes stock with dual airbags.  Although some people
apparently prefer the more retro-look and problem-prone pop-up headlights in
earlier years (no doubt, in some cases, for the questionably-attractive
"slit-eye" headlight mod), the headlights in the '94+ models look much more
stylish, IMO.  Also a matter of personal taste is the hood pods on the 1st
gen models - the smoother and more sculpted lines of the 2nd gen one-piece
hood are another thing to consider when deciding what you like best.

If you do plan on making serious mods, and/or you prefer the racier side
panels of the 3000GT, the '93 VR4 is your best choice.  The unobtrusive
spoiler makes for slightly better rear visibility, too.  And I don't know if
it's just me, but there is something about the "balance" of the '93 3k that
just feels "perfect".

I don't think there is a single model or year of any 3S that I wouldn't be
proud to own.  But years from now, I'm guessing that the models that end up
in museums will be the '94 Stealth RT/TT and the '93 3000GT VR4.

Just MTCW...

Best,

Forrest

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:18:44 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: CF Hood

Geoff,

This was out at Buttonwillow, last year, in talking about what lightening had been done, might be done to your 3K. Maybe I missed some of what you were saying, but I thought you indicated that CF was too thin and had too much flex..compared to fiberglass I guess.

Anyway, I was mostly interested in where to buy, what style of hood you ended up choosing.
Didn't mean to put any words in your mouth if they were not intended.

Kurt 

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:17 PM
To: Zobel, Kurt
Cc: Geoff Mohler; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: CF Hood


I said what?

I said CHEAP hoods sucked once..but repeat where I made the blanket
statement that theyre all bad.

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Zobel, Kurt wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> Hey, you said CF hoods were bad, too much flex.  Sandbagger.
> Are you getting one from GTPro? I was going to try for one to use at Willow but funds and time ran out before the Apr 28-29 event.
>
> Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:06 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Some new videos
>
>
> http://speedracer.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/baer
>
> most are in the RX7..there are some MR-Spyder ones however.
>
> This was at the Baer Brake day at Buttonwillow a few weeks ago.
>
> The RX-7 should show up on Popular Hot Rod TV soon..
>
> Team3s Content:
> VR4 is still down.
> CF hood seems "close" to delivery
> ---

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:19:13 EDT
From: StevePKT77@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: Mopar Window Cleaner; was Re: headlight "fogging"

I saw you make mention of Mopar Window Cleaner.  Does this stuff do anything
beyond the realm of, say, Windex?  I.e. does it remove scratches and the
like?  My windows on my '92 RT are both very scratched up.  I bought the car
that way (unknown to me until I bought the car, ahh the risks of buying cars
on ebay!) with heavy scratches on both sides of the power window glass.  I
have since corrected the problem, it was that someone did a very poor job of
putting it all back together after taking it apart for some reason, but I'm
still left with these heavy vertical scratches in the glass.  If this Mopar
Window Cleaner is meant for removing scratches on glass, or if there is some
other space-age rubbing compund or something similar for glass, then please
someone point me in the right direction to get some!  Thanks.
- -Steve Cherifi
'92 Stealth R/T NA, Firestorm Red

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:34:23 -0400
From: "Adam M. Kuhn" <amkuhn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Looking to Upgrade Update


> All,
> Thanks for the great input and information about the 3S cars, specifically
> the Stealth.  Being a "Stealth" guy, I prefer the Stealth to the 3000GT.
> Granted, it sounds kinda funny from a guy that currently drives a 1995
> 3000GT Base (DOHC), but I appreciate the Stealth's subtle styling...the
> 3000GT is still my second choice though...
>
> I think I have decided on the 1994 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo as it seems to
> have all of the options (toys) that I want plus the horsepower and the
> halogen lights.  I do like the door scoops of the '91-'93 models but am
> afraid of the problems with the 5-speed tranny (as I plan to keep this car
> as long as possible!!).  Now, I just need to ask if anyone knows where I
> can locate a good-excellent condition Black 1994 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo
> with the dark gray leather interior (I found one in NC with the red
> leather interior and didn't like it) and sunroof (prefer Infinity Sound
> and CD changer but can always upgrade later).  Again, prefer that it be at
> least somewhat close to Pennsylvania (current job doesn't allow much time
> off for travel to points West) but again, a good-excellent condition 1994
> Black R/T TT might change that...
>
> I plan only to do minor modifications to the car...Boost Control, Air
> Intake (the K&N FIPK I already have), and maybe modify the exhaust
> (probably wait till the current exhaust goes) and think that the 1994
> offers the best bang for the buck.
>
> Thanks again for all of your help, I will gladly accept any further input
> all of you have on the upgrade, after all, till I buy one my mind is still
> open.
>
> Very Respectfully
>
> Adam Kuhn
> 1995 Caracas Red 3000GT Base (DOHC)
>
> PS For those of you curious, my promotion now means that I am called CPT
> Adam Kuhn (yup, I am in the military!)  Take Care!

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:55:02 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking to Upgrade Update

OK, Cap'n Kuhn (isn't that a cereal?)  :-) , it sounds like you're making a
good choice.  If you haven't already looked there already, try
www.autotrader.com .  You have a great advantage that you're not in a
hurry - plenty of time to pick and choose on *your* terms.  Take some time
and visit the "Buying a car" section on the Motley Fool website for some
great ideas, and things to watch out for:
http://www.fool.com/car/Buyingacar.htm?REF=PRMPIN

Good luck!

Best,

Forrest

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam M. Kuhn" <amkuhn@earthlink.net>>
All,
> Thanks for the great input and information about the 3S cars, specifically
> the Stealth.  Being a "Stealth" guy, I prefer the Stealth to the 3000GT.
> Granted, it sounds kinda funny from a guy that currently drives a 1995
> 3000GT Base (DOHC), but I appreciate the Stealth's subtle styling...the
> 3000GT is still my second choice though...
>
> I think I have decided on the 1994 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo as it seems to
> have all of the options (toys) that I want plus the horsepower and the
> halogen lights.  I do like the door scoops of the '91-'93 models but am
> afraid of the problems with the 5-speed tranny (as I plan to keep this car
> as long as possible!!).  Now, I just need to ask if anyone knows where I
> can locate a good-excellent condition Black 1994 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo
> with the dark gray leather interior (I found one in NC with the red
> leather interior and didn't like it) and sunroof (prefer Infinity Sound
> and CD changer but can always upgrade later).  Again, prefer that it be at
> least somewhat close to Pennsylvania (current job doesn't allow much time
> off for travel to points West) but again, a good-excellent condition 1994
> Black R/T TT might change that...
>
> I plan only to do minor modifications to the car...Boost Control, Air
> Intake (the K&N FIPK I already have), and maybe modify the exhaust
> (probably wait till the current exhaust goes) and think that the 1994
> offers the best bang for the buck.
>
> Thanks again for all of your help, I will gladly accept any further input
> all of you have on the upgrade, after all, till I buy one my mind is still
> open.
>
> Very Respectfully
>
> Adam Kuhn
> 1995 Caracas Red 3000GT Base (DOHC)
>
> PS For those of you curious, my promotion now means that I am called CPT
> Adam Kuhn (yup, I am in the military!)  Take Care!




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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:55:00 EDT
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Mopar Window Cleaner; was Re: headlight "fogging"

Steve:

    Though not an expert on 3kgt or Stealths yet, I have had some experience
with Glass.  On sailboats and poweroats, the windows (plexiglass) usually get
scratched by salt deposits left on them when the water dries off.  In order
to repair the scratches, I have used glass polishing kits available at
automobile refinishing distributors, (like sherwin williams), to re-polish
the glass. You may be able to do the same thing with rubbing compound or
valve lapping compound.  Most glass polishing kits come with a buffing wheel
that chucks into a 3/8" drill, for easier grinding. 

    I have also seen some kits, which are normally used to repair glass
cracks, used to repair scratches, but the repair material usually gets
scrubbed off by whatever created the problem in the first place.

Best of luck.

_Thor (1991 R/T turbo)

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:11:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: SS lines update

Porterfield got the OEM lines today.

I told em that when they have a good idea on cost, we'd try to get a group
order of a dozen or so..so who knows.

Just letting everyone know whats up.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com



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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:21:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Oleg Malkin <olegmalkin@yahoo.com>
Subject: [none]

Ok guys,
I know its a stupid question, but...
I bought my base 93 Stealth without a manual.
There is a light that comes up on the panel
constantly,
I bet it's some fluid indicator. I don't know how to
describe it: it looks like a fluid container and it
is on the very right of the panel in the middle.
If anyone knows what it is please respond.

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:21:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Oleg Malkin <olegmalkin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wieird panel light

Ok guys,
I know its a stupid question, but...
I bought my base 93 Stealth without a manual.
There is a light that comes up on the panel
constantly,
I bet it's some fluid indicator. I don't know how to
describe it: it looks like a fluid container and it
is on the very right of the panel in the middle.
If anyone knows what it is please respond.

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Some rally stuff..

http://www.rally.speedtoys.com

Most of the photos I took while not doing anything else, some good, some
odd.

Spread the word to the rally people ya know.


Team3S Content:

I was standing during the invite-only press state the morning of day 1
(Speedtoys.Com is a respected world authority on nothing, so I was able to
BS my way into a VIP Press Pass for the rally) out in the middle of
nowhere when a van dropped off 8 people in Mitsubishi shirts.  It was the
Corporate Rally Sponsorhsip team.  No shit.

We talked..joked..then I mentioned I had a VR4 were lookin to road race.
It was mentioned I should stop that and rally it..Id kick ass.

I calmly said..and explained that for an quick $1M and steady supply of
transmissions something could be done.

*shrug*

Too bad its still not production, coz the idea did seem kinda cool to a
few of them..however it was just not gonna happen.  :^)

You cant see -them- but you can see thier black shirts in some of the
early out-in-the-sticks photos.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:40:04 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Some rally stuff..

>
>I was standing during the invite-only press state the morning of day 1
>(Speedtoys.Com is a respected world authority on nothing, so I was able to
>BS my way into a VIP Press Pass for the rally) out in the middle of
>nowhere when a van dropped off 8 people in Mitsubishi shirts.  It was the
>Corporate Rally Sponsorhsip team.  No shit.>We talked..joked..then I
mentioned I had a VR4 were lookin to road race.
>It was mentioned I should stop that and rally it..Id kick ass.
>I calmly said..and explained that for an quick $1M and steady supply of
>transmissions something could be done.
>
Wrong question!  You shoulda asked them idiots how come we are not getting
the Lancer Evo 7 for another two years. The furshlugginer Subaru WRX is
available, the dumb-ass stock Mitsu Lancer is coming, but they are
witholding the Evo 7 for two more years!!!

Rich/old poop

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Some rally stuff..

Ask the DOT, dont ask Mitsu.

Its not easy..and production line and stampiong changes need to take
place.  We went over that.

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Merritt wrote:

> >
> >I was standing during the invite-only press state the morning of day 1
> >(Speedtoys.Com is a respected world authority on nothing, so I was able to
> >BS my way into a VIP Press Pass for the rally) out in the middle of
> >nowhere when a van dropped off 8 people in Mitsubishi shirts.  It was the
> >Corporate Rally Sponsorhsip team.  No shit.>We talked..joked..then I
> mentioned I had a VR4 were lookin to road race.
> >It was mentioned I should stop that and rally it..Id kick ass.
> >I calmly said..and explained that for an quick $1M and steady supply of
> >transmissions something could be done.
> >
> Wrong question!  You shoulda asked them idiots how come we are not getting
> the Lancer Evo 7 for another two years. The furshlugginer Subaru WRX is
> available, the dumb-ass stock Mitsu Lancer is coming, but they are
> witholding the Evo 7 for two more years!!!
>
> Rich/old poop

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:04:51 -0500
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wieird panel light

Oleg,

It's probably either low coolant level or low windshield wiper fluid
level (check both the front and read tank).  That's the best I can guess
without a description of what the symbol actually looks like.  Good
Luck.

Greg



Oleg Malkin wrote:

> Ok guys,
> I know its a stupid question, but...
> I bought my base 93 Stealth without a manual.
> There is a light that comes up on the panel
> constantly,
> I bet it's some fluid indicator. I don't know how to
> describe it: it looks like a fluid container and it
> is on the very right of the panel in the middle.
> If anyone knows what it is please respond.
>

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Date: 7 May 2001 21:26:40 -0700
From: kristie1@thesimpsons.com
Subject: Team3S: exhaust  system suggestions

Could anyone recommend the best exhaust system and headers for a 92 rt/tt, and where can I get the best deal?
Kristie

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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:21:53 -0500
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Some rally stuff..

Hey Rich,

Don't jump the gun on the EVO 7.  I've been doing my own research and talked
with some people.  There is a good chance the EVO 7 with AWD and 275hp will
be landing at a dealer near you in September of this year.  I've heard the
NA Lancer is coming in July, then the Evo 7 around September.  Of course
none of this is offical, but I've heard some really strong rumors.  Time
will tell.  That EVO 7 is going to run circles around the Subie.

later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org


>From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>To: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>, team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Some rally stuff..
>Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:40:04 -0500

>>Wrong question!  You shoulda asked them idiots how come we are not getting
>the Lancer Evo 7 for another two years. The furshlugginer Subaru WRX is
>available, the dumb-ass stock Mitsu Lancer is coming, but they are
>witholding the Evo 7 for two more years!!!
>
>Rich/old poop

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 06:09:22 EDT
From: NassiriC@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Blitz DSBC problems

Hi All,
I have a question about the Blitz DSBC.  I want to replace the cheap/flimsy
vacuum line that runs into the back of controller unit with a stronger more
durable vacuum line.  Has anyone pulled the original vacuum line out of the
controller unit?  Is there a nipple (male coupling) that I can attach real
vacuum line to, or is it a female coupling like the connectors supplied in
the kit?  If so, does anyone have a source for the thin type of vacuum tubing
that is supplied with the Blitz DSBC kit, that is higher quality?  The
original tubing supplied with the kit is very cheap and very prone to kinking
and bending.  I discovered this after helping a friend install a Greddy 60 mm
electronic boost gauge.  After we installed his gauge we compared the boost
levels displayed by the DSBC and the Greddy unit, the DSBC was showing much
lower boost levels (1.5 -2.5 psi at the 12-15 psi range) than the Greddy
gauge.  We suspected the cheap vacuum line was the cause, we pulled the
entire vacuum line through the fire wall and found a bad kink as well as a
compressed area where it had run through the firewall.  We cut out the bad
sections and re-installed it, which fixed the problem, however it is likely
to happen again.  I'm installing a DSBC on my car and I'd like to avoid this
problem all together and use quality vacuum tubes.

Another quick question: For those of you that have a DSBC and a separate
boost gauge, what are you using as your vacuum/boost sources?  Currently I
run my electronic boost gauge off a tee I put in the Fuel Pressure Regulator
vacuum line coming off the back of the plenum.  Is it ok to run both the DSBC
and my boost gauge off the FPR line?  This would be 3 devices running off one
vacuum source, could this degrade the boost signal going to the DSBC?  Can
anyone suggest an alternate vacuum/boost source that I can tap my boost gauge
or DSBC into?

Thanks for the help
Cyrus

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 06:53:13 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wieird panel light

That's the low coolant reserve indicator.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Oleg Malkin [mailto:olegmalkin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:22 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Wieird panel light


Ok guys,
I know its a stupid question, but...
I bought my base 93 Stealth without a manual.
There is a light that comes up on the panel
constantly,
I bet it's some fluid indicator. I don't know how to
describe it: it looks like a fluid container and it
is on the very right of the panel in the middle.
If anyone knows what it is please respond.

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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:31:41 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: exhaust  system suggestions

>Could anyone recommend the best exhaust system and headers for a 92 rt/tt,
>and where can I get the best deal?
>Kristie

No headers available and exhaust is only for sound. If you like a deep tone
and aggressive in the top region then get the Borla at CarParts.com with a
20% coupon on http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.html

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:27:03 EDT
From: GTOTLR@cs.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz DSBC problems

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The DSBC does not read pressure in psi, it reads in bar.  Someone correct me
if I am wrong but I think it is like 14.1 psi = 1 bar. I think that this may
be your confusion because you specifically said (1.5 -2.5 psi at the 12-15
psi range).  If this is true, you are reading some very high boost levels. 
Somewhere around 21 - 35 psi.   Those are way too high.  21 may be okay if
you are running aftermarket turbos and fuel setup but the stock setup cannot
handle anything like that.



Royal K. Watkins III       
Senior Programmer Analyst  
T |SYS| Inc.
1995 Black 3000GT VR-4 (3SI #210)   
2000 Yellow TL1000R

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:47:57 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: race day tip

Thanks, Chuck, but I wear a bra wherever I go now.  :-)

For anyone who wants to listen ... the LeBra front end cover saved about
$400 in front bumper repairs twice.  Once was when I pulled out of a
too-steep road and scraped.  The bra ripped but saved the bumper from being
scratched (how much is a front bumper?) and the other was a less than 2 mph
bumper-to-bumper hit with a Ford F350 where the thickness of the bra
compressed and did not dent to front bumper.  Both of which I would have
needed replaced out of pocket since the insurance starts at about $500
deductible.

My Bra saved both of those and countless rock chips so it isn't just for the
track (but the real reason is that underneath are 5 years worth of chips
from the former owner and the two holes from the front-mounted license
plate).  I also have mirror bras from Colgan and they also save chips.  $100
for a bra or $400 in bumper repainting.  That was an easy decision.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Bra, Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:23 AM
To: 'Jim Berry'; team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Cc: Tim; kurt zobel; Jose Soriano; George Kuo; damon Rachell; Bruce;
Geoff Mohler
Subject: RE: Team3S: race day tip

This is a Nascar trick.  I'd be real curious which brand comes off without
taking up the pain. This would be really nice for track use, notwithstanding
those who won't drive bra-less (Flash)!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:28 PM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Cc: Tim; kurt zobel; Jose Soriano; Jim Berry; George Kuo; damon Rachell;
> Bruce; Geoff Mohler
> Subject: Team3S: race day tip
>
> An equipment saving tip I picked up from the some Viper drivers
> while at Willow Springs ---- to protect the front of their cars while
> driving at high speeds at open track events they cover the portions
> of the car at risk with clear vinyl shelf covering. The sticky back shelf
> liner gets a little tattered over the course of the weekind but I was
> told it peels off eaisly and cleans up with soap and water. Worth a
> try if you want to protect the front of your car from rock damage.
> It's probably too late for my car --- the front bumper cover is pretty
> beat up, but, when I get it repainted I'll keep it in mind.


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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:16:47 -0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust  system suggestions

Altered Atmosphere has headers.  I saw several sets this weekend at the
Ocean City gathering.  They're mighty expensive, but they ARE available.

Jeff VanOrsdal
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com


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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:29:27 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: RE: Team3S: exhaust  system suggestions

>Altered Atmosphere has headers.  I saw several sets this weekend at the
>Ocean City gathering.  They're mighty expensive, but they ARE available.

I also HAVE headers - custom made - and those Greddy headers are remachined
to fit their application idea. Nothing to think about as there is no gain
to be found with the stock turbos and non-reworked turbine housing.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 17:04:31 +0200
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Mopar Window Cleaner; was Re: headlight "fogging"

Steve,

No, the Mopar Window Cleaner doesn't repair pits or scratches.  What it
does do is remove the nasty film that builds up on the inside of our car
windows, and with a lot less effort than traditional window cleaners like
Windex.  The "fogging" in the '94 headlight modules appears to be a more
concentrated version of a similar film, so I used the MWC to make life
easier.

- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque



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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:03:34 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Some rally stuff..

Yeah, the EVO sounds like one bad ass machine.  Too bad its bad ass ugly too.
However, race trim makes up for many things, beauty and the beast, all in one.

Kurt

- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:40 PM
To: Geoff Mohler; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Some rally stuff..


>
>I was standing during the invite-only press state the morning of day 1
>(Speedtoys.Com is a respected world authority on nothing, so I was able to
>BS my way into a VIP Press Pass for the rally) out in the middle of
>nowhere when a van dropped off 8 people in Mitsubishi shirts.  It was the
>Corporate Rally Sponsorhsip team.  No shit.>We talked..joked..then I
mentioned I had a VR4 were lookin to road race.
>It was mentioned I should stop that and rally it..Id kick ass.
>I calmly said..and explained that for an quick $1M and steady supply of
>transmissions something could be done.
>
Wrong question!  You shoulda asked them idiots how come we are not getting
the Lancer Evo 7 for another two years. The furshlugginer Subaru WRX is
available, the dumb-ass stock Mitsu Lancer is coming, but they are
witholding the Evo 7 for two more years!!!

Rich/old poop

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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:04:41 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz DSBC problems

>The DSBC does not read pressure in psi, it reads in bar.  Someone correct me
>if I am wrong but I think it is like 14.1 psi = 1 bar. I think that this may

14.7 psi = 1 bar.

But the DSBC reads in kg/cm2 => 1 kg/cm2 = 0.98 bar = 14.22 psi

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:15:43 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz DSBC problems

>I have a question about the Blitz DSBC.  I want to replace the cheap/flimsy
>vacuum line that runs into the back of controller unit with a stronger more
>durable vacuum line.

No need to do this, as it is perfect for the chip attached to it inside.

With the kit comes a T that can be used for the adapting. I myself used a
reducer that allows to sleeve in the hose right behind the unit and then is
attached to a silicone hose going to the intake plenum. Works perfect :)

>run my electronic boost gauge off a tee I put in the Fuel Pressure Regulator
>vacuum line coming off the back of the plenum.  Is it ok to run both the DSBC
>and my boost gauge off the FPR line?  This would be 3 devices running off one
>vacuum source, could this degrade the boost signal going to the DSBC?

None of them is releasing pressure so it is not a problem. I saw no
difference at all when playing with 3 boost meters the DSBC and Dual Timer.
Just keep the hoses as short as possible !

>   Can
>anyone suggest an alternate vacuum/boost source that I can tap my boost gauge
>or DSBC into?

Yes, tap into the plenum directly.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:45:12 -0500
From: "George Walker" <gwalker@isphereonline.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3000 GT-VR4 Overheat problem

WHAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN:
It seems like it has a pressure leak somewhere in the system that is causing
it to lose coolant. My guess is that the engine runs fine until the coolant
level drops below where the water pump can pick it up and the car then
promptly overheats.

WHY IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A HEAD PROBLEM:

- - It does not seem to have any air bubbles coming out of the radiator
overflow when running at normal temperature.
- - It starts fine, doesn't idle rough at start, runs great (when not
overheating),etc. etc.
- - I have not personally checked to see if the spark plugs are fouled, but I
asked my mechanic if it looked like there was water in the oil and he said
no...

THE BLOW BY BLOW HISTORY / SYMPTOMOLOGY

OK, this is a LONG account as I'm not having much luck resolving the
problem...

Premise:

#1 - I recently purchased a 95 3000 VR4 with low miles (45K) which had been
basically sitting relatively unused for the last year.
#2 - I drive about 100 - 150 miles per day as I live in the boonies.

All seemed to be working fine (I put on 5K miles without incident) when it
overheated on me after driving it around for approximately 100 miles. I
refilled the radiator and dropped it off at my local mechanic and asked him
to take a look at it.

He pressure tested it and found nothing.

I picked it up - drove it another 100+ miles without incident when suddenly
the upper radiator hose blew out (major section about 6 inches long) . I
replaced that, drove another 100 miles when it again overheated. This time
as I was trying to refill the radiator - I could see that any water I put in
was gushing out of the lower radiator hose (originating at what appears to
be in the block). I had it towed to a mechanic I've known and worked with
for quite some time.

I had him replace any and all hoses that looked like they had wear and while
he had the car had him change the timing belt.

I got it back - drove it about 20 miles on my way home when it again
overheated. I had it towed back to him.

We then replaced the Radiator & cap (which looked slightly gummed & abused).
I picked up the car - drove it 100'ish miles when it again overheated.

We replaced the waterpump - drove it 10 miles - it overheated.

Digging through the maintenance records I've inherited - it looks like the
car has had numerous repairs - it had already had a new waterpump and timing
belt done at 45k, it has had the HEAD GASKET replaced at about 30K, etc.
etc.

I think I've been screwed...any help would be greatly appreciated.

George Walker
95 3000GT-VR4, Red, 50K Miles
email: 3000gt@isphereonline.com


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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:06:05 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Mopar Window Cleaner; was Re: headlight "fogging"

Ok is there a "solution" that will remove small scratches and pits in glass
screens? I was told off at the MOT station last month for several small
scratches on the drivers side of the screen.

- --
George Shaw - CTO
XL Solutions Ltd

Email:                 george.shaw@xlsolutions.com
Email:                 george.shaw@btinternet.com
Office:                +44 (0) 28 9092 5000
Fax/Voice Mail:        +44 (0) 87 0133 6126
Mobile:                +44 (0) 78 1162 5179
Home:                  +44 (0) 28 9062 8924
ICQ#:                  1741675

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jim Matthews
Sent: 08 May 2001 16:05
To: StevePKT77@aol.com
Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Mopar Window Cleaner; was Re: headlight "fogging"

Steve,

        No, the Mopar Window Cleaner doesn't repair pits or scratches.  What
it
does do is remove the nasty film that builds up on the inside of our car
windows, and with a lot less effort than traditional window cleaners like
Windex.  The "fogging" in the '94 headlight modules appears to be a more
concentrated version of a similar film, so I used the MWC to make life
easier.

- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:38:41 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Glass polishing  (Was: Re: Team3S: Re: Mopar Window Cleaner; was Re: headlight "fogging" )

I saw an episode of "My Classic Car" on cable a few weeks ago and they
did a how-to bit on glass restoration.  I couldn't find the writeup
on the site directly, but luckily google caches everything:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.myclassiccar.com/episodes/016109/tip016109.html+rhodite+glass+polish&hl=en

here's the product they were using:

http://www.eastwoodco.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=40011&UID=2001050813300400&UREQA=1&FNM=20

Hope that helps.

Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =    http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html
= There is no spoon.. =
=======================

+> Ok is there a "solution" that will remove small scratches and pits in glass
+> screens? I was told off at the MOT station last month for several small
+> scratches on the drivers side of the screen.
+>
+> --
+> George Shaw - CTO
+> XL Solutions Ltd
+>
+> Email:                 george.shaw@xlsolutions.com
+> Email:                 george.shaw@btinternet.com
+> Office:                +44 (0) 28 9092 5000
+> Fax/Voice Mail:        +44 (0) 87 0133 6126
+> Mobile:                +44 (0) 78 1162 5179
+> Home:                  +44 (0) 28 9062 8924
+> ICQ#:                  1741675
+>
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
+> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jim Matthews
+> Sent: 08 May 2001 16:05
+> To: StevePKT77@aol.com
+> Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
+> Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Mopar Window Cleaner; was Re: headlight "fogging"
+>
+> Steve,
+>
+>         No, the Mopar Window Cleaner doesn't repair pits or scratches.  What
+> it
+> does do is remove the nasty film that builds up on the inside of our car
+> windows, and with a lot less effort than traditional window cleaners like
+> Windex.  The "fogging" in the '94 headlight modules appears to be a more
+> concentrated version of a similar film, so I used the MWC to make life
+> easier.
+>
+> - --
+> Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
+> mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
+> http://www.the-matthews.com
+>
+> *** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
+> http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
+> Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
+> Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
+> K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
+> A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
+> Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
+> Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
+> Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
+> Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
+> G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
+> 1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:56:00 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3000 GT-VR4 Overheat problem

I have a similar problem with my '93 3K Base. It turns out to be the
Thermostat.

Victor
'93 3K GT Black
'96 VR-4 Pearl White

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Walker [mailto:gwalker@isphereonline.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: 3000 GT-VR4 Overheat problem


WHAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN:
It seems like it has a pressure leak somewhere in the system that is causing
it to lose coolant. My guess is that the engine runs fine until the coolant
level drops below where the water pump can pick it up and the car then
promptly overheats.

WHY IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A HEAD PROBLEM:

- - It does not seem to have any air bubbles coming out of the radiator
overflow when running at normal temperature.
- - It starts fine, doesn't idle rough at start, runs great (when not
overheating),etc. etc.
- - I have not personally checked to see if the spark plugs are fouled, but I
asked my mechanic if it looked like there was water in the oil and he said
no...

THE BLOW BY BLOW HISTORY / SYMPTOMOLOGY

OK, this is a LONG account as I'm not having much luck resolving the
problem...

Premise:

#1 - I recently purchased a 95 3000 VR4 with low miles (45K) which had been
basically sitting relatively unused for the last year.
#2 - I drive about 100 - 150 miles per day as I live in the boonies.

All seemed to be working fine (I put on 5K miles without incident) when it
overheated on me after driving it around for approximately 100 miles. I
refilled the radiator and dropped it off at my local mechanic and asked him
to take a look at it.

He pressure tested it and found nothing.

I picked it up - drove it another 100+ miles without incident when suddenly
the upper radiator hose blew out (major section about 6 inches long) . I
replaced that, drove another 100 miles when it again overheated. This time
as I was trying to refill the radiator - I could see that any water I put in
was gushing out of the lower radiator hose (originating at what appears to
be in the block). I had it towed to a mechanic I've known and worked with
for quite some time.

I had him replace any and all hoses that looked like they had wear and while
he had the car had him change the timing belt.

I got it back - drove it about 20 miles on my way home when it again
overheated. I had it towed back to him.

We then replaced the Radiator & cap (which looked slightly gummed & abused).
I picked up the car - drove it 100'ish miles when it again overheated.

We replaced the waterpump - drove it 10 miles - it overheated.

Digging through the maintenance records I've inherited - it looks like the
car has had numerous repairs - it had already had a new waterpump and timing
belt done at 45k, it has had the HEAD GASKET replaced at about 30K, etc.
etc.

I think I've been screwed...any help would be greatly appreciated.

George Walker
95 3000GT-VR4, Red, 50K Miles
email: 3000gt@isphereonline.com

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:01:48 EDT
From: NassiriC@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: RE:Blitz DSBC problems

GTOTLR@cs.com wrote:
<snip>
>"The DSBC does not read pressure in psi, it reads in bar.  Someone correct
me if >I am wrong but I think it is like 14.1 psi = 1 bar.  I think that this
may be your >confusion because you specifically said (1.5 -2.5 psi at the
12-15 psi range)"

I was converting metric (kg/cm2) to standard (psi) because most people are
used to psi.  For those of you that like metric; we were seeing about a 0.1 -
0.17 kg/cm2 difference between the boost gauge and the DSBC because of the
kinks in the vacuum line.

One thing I noticed is that a lot of people use the term "BAR" when what they
really mean to say is kg/cm2 - there is a difference.  To my knowledge I know
of no automotive gauges that display pressure in BAR, only kg/cm2 or psi -
someone correct me if I'm wrong.

For those that are interested here are the conversions:

1 BAR = 1.02 kg/cm2 or 14.5 psi
1 kg/cm2 = .9807 BAR or 14.22 psi
1 PSI = .07031 kg/cm2 or .06895 BAR

Cyrus

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:15:05 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: East Coast Gathering 2001,05/04-06 picture pages

For anyone who was there and hasn't seen these yet I am sure they will be on
the main page eventually.  But until then here are some individual user
pages of pictures.


Main page:
http://www.geocities.com/ecg2k1

Other pages of pictures:
http://mi3si.org/gatherings/ecg2k1/pictures.htm
http://www15.brinkster.com/unclesam099/ECG2k1/ecg2k1.htm
http://ifrag2.topcities.com/aam/
http://ifrag2.topcities.com/ecg/


- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:15:46 -0500
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE:Blitz DSBC problems

> I was converting metric (kg/cm2) to standard (psi) because most people are
> used to psi.  For those of you that like metric; we were seeing about a 0.1 -
> 0.17 kg/cm2 difference between the boost gauge and the DSBC because of the
> kinks in the vacuum line.

I have a Greddy electronic boost gauge (with sensor inside the engine
bay), which reads in
kg/cm2 same as the DSBC. Since I installed the DSBC, its boost reading
has always read
about 0.1 to 0.15 kg/cm2 MORE than the gauge. I do not think that the
vacuum line to the
DSBC is kinked but could this be the reason for the difference? Or is
the gauge faulty? I set
the DSBC to boost to 1.0 kg/cm2. I've wondered if I'm actually getting
less boost than I
really am.

Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org


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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:15:47 -0500
From: "Mark Wendlandt" <stealth_tt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: EGT probe location

I know that the consensus has been to install the probes in the exhaust
manifolds before the turbos(ideally 10" from flame front if I recall.)  But,
after reading instructions from Autometers site, they say to install them
after the turbos.

http://autometer.com/hp/instruction_download/instructions/652e.pdf

Could this be why many are seeing such high EGTs??  Autometers gauges only
go up to 16-1700deg F.  Many are getting much higher temps.

Thanks,

Mark Wendlandt
'91RT/TT

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Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:32:32 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Spacers on / Hope for 1st gens

We (me and the boys at Denny's Mufflers) put the 1/2 in. wheel spacers on
my 94 VR4 today. I'd like to tell you it was real easy, but it wasn't. I
know that it CAN be done simply, but we couldn't, for two reasons:

1. The left side halfshaft had a cut dustcover/sleeve, so we had to take
the entire axle out to replace the cover.
2. The right side wheel bearing came apart, so although it was then easy to
pull the hub and knock out the old lugs, this is not a recommended
solution. I'll be getting the wheel bearing repaired at the dealer under
warranty. Parts had to be ordered, you see.

It LOOKS like you can do this:
1. Remove caliper and rotor
2. Remove wheel bearing nut.
3. Remove four bolts on the back of  the wheel hub.
4. Knock back the axle with a hammer until the wheel hub comes loose.
5. Manipulate the wheel hub so you can drive out the stock wheel studs and
insert the longer studs.
6. Reassemble.

As I said, we did not do this because of the problems encountered. This is
the way I've seen stock studs replaced on my car before, although I am not
positive that you can do this with the longer studs. Does anyone know?

In any case, both spacers are in. I do not recommend doing this job
yourself unless you have an entire weekend to devote to it, or you have had
your front axles/hubs out before and know how to do all this stuff.
However, it is a relatively simple job for a brake shop, who does this kind
of work every day.

 (Example: when Denny's mechanic <Perry, the ace front end guy> got the
axle out, he insisted on taking the constant velocity joint apart so he
could clean and regrease it. "Mighta got some dirt in there from the torn
dust cover," he says.  "How does it come off the axle?," I asked, all
worried, because all I could see was ball bearings surrounded by grease.
"Ah, ya just tap it with a hammer," says Perry. A light tap, and out it
came, slick as a whistle.  If it was me, I'd still be on the net asking you
guys how to take the sucka apart.)

GOOD NEWS MAYBE!!
For all of you who are considering an upgrade to Brad's Big Red kit on a
1st gen car (91-93), you MAY NOT need to buy 94 and up wheels!  Please
check with Brad, of course, but those spacers put a full half inch of
distance between the inside of the wheel spokes and the Porsche caliper. It
MAY BE that you can install spacers instead of buying new wheels. At $100
plus labor, that's a whole lot less money than four 94+ wheels and a set of
 tires. I don't have a 1st gen, so I don't know where the clearance problem
occurs, but I recall someone saying that the Big Reds ALMOST fit a 1st gen,
but have only a credit card width of clearance. If so, maybe spacers are
the answer.

It should be easy enough to check: Anyone that has a 2nd gen car with
spacers could attempt to mount 1st gen wheels. If the spacers allow 1st gen
wheels to fit over a 94+ brake caliper, they should easily fit over the Big
Reds. If there is anyone in Iowa who wants to try it, give me a shout.

In the meantime, PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME SPACERS WILL WORK UNTIL BRAD OR
SOMEONE ELSE ON THE LIST VERIFIES IT.

OFF TOPIC
I wandered next door to the cycle shop, because I saw two Yamaha 650s being
worked on (these are based on the old Triumph 650cc Bonneville design, and
have always been one of my favorite bikes). One had a 1985 license plate. I
asked the mechanic what the deal was, and he said that people are getting
motorcycles out of storage, where they have been for the past 15 years
(like this one), because of  high gas prices. He has a very brisk business
now in starting up old motorcycles and putting them back on the road. A
sign of the times, eh?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4
Big Reds, 1/2 in. spacers, Porterfield stock rotors.

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