team3s             Sunday, April 22 2001             Volume 01 : Number 472




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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:34:16 -0400
From: GREG RUSH <rush@siscom.net>
Subject: Team3S: injector

While changing my plugs I got a good look down into the top of the
valves and noticed the #1 valves were wet and I wiped with a rag and it
smells like gas. The #1 plug also had a glaze on the insulator.The car
is not running up to snuff. Do I have leaking valve guides and the oil
residue just smells like gas or a bad injecctor?  Or if the plug is
fouled the fuel is not burning.This is a brand new motor with new
valves, guides and seals. If its an injector stuck open wouldnt the fuel
evaporate instesd of sitting on the valves while I am working on the
plug change.Also noticed a pinging/knocking sound while accelerating
kind of sounds like a old chevy motor with a stuck lifter but not as
loud. My MSD knock sensor does not detect it nor did the TMO.
RUSHVR4


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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:43:34 -0500
From: "Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Still running hot

Rich,

As a last resort, as someone else mentioned, this might be a sign of some
other internal problem, i.e. turbo bearing, air conditioner compressor, etc.
Depending on the miles on your car, and assuming this isn't a temp.
gage/temp. sending unit problem, closer inspection of the engine and
drivetrain outside of the cooling system might be warranted.  With as much
track time as I'm assuming this engine has seen, as with any racing engine,
it might be time for a tear down and inspection.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT


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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:38:13 -0400
From: GREG RUSH <rush@siscom.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: injector

I disconected the tube that connects the 2 fuel rails in order to swap
injectors 1 & 3 for trouble shooting the injector in a different cylinder.
But very little fuel came out just a small trickle. If I had a injector
stuck open could this have caused the lack of fuel  spraying out under
pressure due to it leaking out the injector and onto the back side of the
valves. I would have expected a lot of fuel under pressure.
rushvr4

GREG RUSH wrote:

> While changing my plugs I got a good look down into the top of the
> valves and noticed the #1 valves were wet and I wiped with a rag and it
> smells like gas. The #1 plug also had a glaze on the insulator.The car
> is not running up to snuff. Do I have leaking valve guides and the oil
> residue just smells like gas or a bad injecctor?  Or if the plug is
> fouled the fuel is not burning.This is a brand new motor with new
> valves, guides and seals. If its an injector stuck open wouldnt the fuel
> evaporate instesd of sitting on the valves while I am working on the
> plug change.Also noticed a pinging/knocking sound while accelerating
> kind of sounds like a old chevy motor with a stuck lifter but not as
> loud. My MSD knock sensor does not detect it nor did the TMO.
> RUSHVR4

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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Still running hot

A bearing would not run hot.

It would fail..pretty much instantly in a turbo.

Theres no room for kinda-failed at 130,000rpm.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Trent wrote:

> Rich,
>
> As a last resort, as someone else mentioned, this might be a sign of some
> other internal problem, i.e. turbo bearing, air conditioner compressor, etc.
> Depending on the miles on your car, and assuming this isn't a temp.
> gage/temp. sending unit problem, closer inspection of the engine and
> drivetrain outside of the cooling system might be warranted.  With as much
> track time as I'm assuming this engine has seen, as with any racing engine,
> it might be time for a tear down and inspection.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT
>

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:05:42 -0700
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BRAKES...rotate rotors?

Hi Mike,

> I was searching through the past posts for the discussion on whether
turning
> the rotors is OK or not.  I get terrible vibrations when I brake lately
(not
> only highway but even in city).  The steering wheel shakes so bad that I
> need to stop driving the car until I solve the issue.  I suspect my rotors
> are WARPED.  So, should I rotate/turn them?  The 95 VR4 has 43K.

Turn them as long as they are over minimum spec.

> I would use a racing pad such as the Portefield RS4 pad with either one or
a
> racing pad that my brother has (the name escapes me, but it was
reccomended
> by KEN MIDDAUGH).

Those are the Weston race pads that John Christian recommended.  They feel
great on the street and don't need any warm-up time to stop great.  I didn't
use them on the street for very long so I don't know how long they will last
on the street.

>
> The main question about the above setup is whether slotted is better than
> not slotted, all other things being equal?

Slotted rotors are supposed to provide better stopping force for two
reasons:  1) they continually "slice" off the "old" surface of the pad;  2)
the slots allow an escape route for gases that can build between the rotor
and pad during extreme braking and temperatures.  #1 causes the pads to wear
out quickly though.

> Basically this is mainly a street car/everyday, even a winter car.  I need
> reliability from my brakes all year long, and also need to be able to do
> high speed stops in case I need to slow down from 160+.  Basically, my
setup
> needs to be able to work in the cold (sub 0 deg) and heat of summer (100+
> deg F) and withstand the high temps.  I know I can't expect anyone of the

I don't know how well the Weston race pads will work at sub 0 degrees, but
they would probably be fine.  Slotted rotors would also be fine.  The real
decision you have to ask is whether you are willing to replace the pads and
rotors more often since they will wear out quicker.

Good luck,
Ken


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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:52:06 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: how to remove armorall prior to installing Carbon Fiber Dash

I just purchased one of those Carbon Fiber Dash kits, and have a question on
preparing the surface.

I have a lot of Armorall protectant on my dash and was wondering what I
could use to get that off so the kit will stick ?

Thanks

Anthony Melillo
anthonymelillo@home.com



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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:39:58 -0400
From: Rick <melvin@gamewood.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear alingment for AWS TT ?????

Thanks guys,
Got it barely into spec's on the right rear camber but the cams were broken and need some
work.Will get to that when I lower the car.went ahead and did the front as well,it was
out worse than I would have thought,as the car drove good and no tire wear.Gonna take
alot of modding to lower this one.Not near as easy as the Base or R/T.THANKS AGAIN,
RICK

Rick wrote:

> Thanks Willis, Geoff,
>  This all wheel steer is all new to me,and I didn't see the toe adjuster till I had
> tried to do it with the tie rods, as you would with a front end.Should have asked for
> help first!Thanks much,
> RICK
>
> Geoff Mohler wrote:
>
> > You disconnect the tie rods fromthe spindle completely, align the car,
> > then adjust the tie rods to drop into the spindle.
> >
> > The steering rods just ride along..they dont adjust anything.
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Rick wrote:
> >
> > >  Ok got that,but what do you do with the tie rod ends as far as adjustment after
> > > that,just adjust them with the wheels straight on till they drop  back in ,or do
> > > they have an adjustment?
> > > RICK
> > >
> > > "Willis, Charles E." wrote:
> > >
> > > > When you adjust the toe on the rear, you will have to disconnect the tie rod
> > > > linkages for the All Wheel Steering, assuming the '92 Stealth has that.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Rick [SMTP:melvin@gamewood.net]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 5:57 PM
> > > > > To:   Stealth; stealth@starnet.net
> > > > > Subject:      Team3S: Rear alingment for AWS TT ?????
> > > > >
> > > > >  Thought I new all about alinging the rear of a car till I screwed this
> > > > > one up!Can some one give me the spec's.for a '92 R/T TT Rear.I Was
> > > > > trying to set the toe with the tie rod ends, till I found the adjustment
> > > > > cams on the front control arm,and now have the that out and can't find
> > > > > spec's on what to set it to.I don't see a problem now with the toe our
> > > > > camber,but need to set the rear steering up to spec's.Does anyone have a
> > > > > how that can help me?
> > > > > THANKS,RICK

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:24:09 +0200
From: Andrzej Artymowicz <andrzej.artymowicz@wp.pl>
Subject: Team3S: lights

Hi!

 I would like to buy set of bulb with a litle higher wattage, but not as
high to overheat lamps. Can you recommend me some bulbs (some URL's), i need
very white, or daylight like light, eventually HID kit's.


regards

Andrzej Artymowicz
andrzej.artymowicz@wp.pl
Poland
tel. +48 601 250368 C
tel. +48 22 6715375 H

'95 Pearl Green 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed) 40000mi


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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:54:26 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Still running hot

Geoff,

I don't know how many turbo bearings you have had fail, but one turbo on my
last 300Z TT failed over a period of months.  Initially the bearing allowed
enough radial clearance for the impeller to rub on the housing resulting in
a squeeling sound as the engine was warming up.  This started out as barely
noticeable and eventually turned into can't be ignored.  As a mechanical
designer, I'm way past presuming how something as complex as a turbo will
fail in every circumstance.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

- --- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
To: Trent <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Cc: Team 3S <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Still running hot


> A bearing would not run hot.
>
> It would fail..pretty much instantly in a turbo.
>
> Theres no room for kinda-failed at 130,000rpm.
>
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Trent wrote:
>
> > Rich,
> >
> > As a last resort, as someone else mentioned, this might be a sign of
some
> > other internal problem, i.e. turbo bearing, air conditioner compressor,
etc.
> > Depending on the miles on your car, and assuming this isn't a temp.
> > gage/temp. sending unit problem, closer inspection of the engine and
> > drivetrain outside of the cooling system might be warranted.  With as
much
> > track time as I'm assuming this engine has seen, as with any racing
engine,
> > it might be time for a tear down and inspection.
> >
> > Regards,
> > DaveT/92TT
> >
> >
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> ---
> Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com>
> California, USA
> http://www.speedtoys.com

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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:36:30 -0500
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Fw: Team3S: Still running hot

- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd D.Shelton <tds@brightok.net>
To: Barry E. King <beking@home.com>
Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Still running hot


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry E. King <beking@home.com>
>To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Date: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:00 PM
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Still running hot
>
>
>
>>Other possibilities (not tried these myself yet):
>>- larger oil cooler
>>- possibly use external oil sump for more volume
>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>I am not having overheating problems but
>have been interested in adding a larger than stock
>oil cooler for some time.  I have of course already
>located the stock cooler to the front of the car.
>(driver's side of center)
>
>There doesn't seem to be much room for a larger coolers
>between the brackets/bracing running in front of the radiator.
>
>Might be able to use one about the same width only longer?
>
>If anyone has done this - what size and how was the fit?
>
>- tds

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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BRAKES...rotate rotors?

> Slotted rotors are supposed to provide better stopping force for two
> reasons:  1) they continually "slice" off the "old" surface of the pad;  2)
> the slots allow an escape route for gases that can build between the rotor
> and pad during extreme braking and temperatures.  #1 causes the pads to wear
> out quickly though.
- ---

A good racing pad..does not gas.  A slotted rotor doesnt slice, but will
chew away any glazing that will form as a high spot on the pad.  The slot
will also add a biting surface for the pad to initially grip on.  My
Celica enjoys 40 slots per side of each rotor.  Pedal resonse is -hard-
and -instant-.  Of course, its also a 6-piston caliper ona 13" rotor.
 
> they would probably be fine.  Slotted rotors would also be fine.  The real
> decision you have to ask is whether you are willing to replace the pads and
> rotors more often since they will wear out quicker.
- ---
Porterfield pads will last quite some time on the street, a PROPERLY
treated rotor (cryo) will last probly the lifetime of the car on the
street.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Still running hot

Good point.

Let me expand by saying a dying turbo doesnt run hotter, it performs
poorer.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, bdtrent wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> I don't know how many turbo bearings you have had fail, but one turbo on my
> last 300Z TT failed over a period of months.  Initially the bearing allowed
> enough radial clearance for the impeller to rub on the housing resulting in
> a squeeling sound as the engine was warming up.  This started out as barely
> noticeable and eventually turned into can't be ignored.  As a mechanical
> designer, I'm way past presuming how something as complex as a turbo will
> fail in every circumstance.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT
>
> --- Original Message -----
> From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
> To: Trent <bdtrent@netzero.net>
> Cc: Team 3S <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Still running hot
>
>
> > A bearing would not run hot.
> >
> > It would fail..pretty much instantly in a turbo.
> >
> > Theres no room for kinda-failed at 130,000rpm.
> >
> > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Trent wrote:
> >
> > > Rich,
> > >
> > > As a last resort, as someone else mentioned, this might be a sign of
> some
> > > other internal problem, i.e. turbo bearing, air conditioner compressor,
> etc.
> > > Depending on the miles on your car, and assuming this isn't a temp.
> > > gage/temp. sending unit problem, closer inspection of the engine and
> > > drivetrain outside of the cooling system might be warranted.  With as
> much
> > > track time as I'm assuming this engine has seen, as with any racing
> engine,
> > > it might be time for a tear down and inspection.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > DaveT/92TT
> >
> > ---
- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:25:46 EDT
From: RDO26@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Spare tire (now:  Need 95 18" VR4 Chrome rim)

OK, I'll bite.

I'm looking in my Mitchell's part book and they only list one 18" rim from
95-99. How is your's different? Do you have any pics?

Ron

In a message dated 4/20/2001 5:20:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aa2345@wayne.edu writes:

<< Subj:     Team3S: RE: Spare tire (now:  Need 95 18" VR4 Chrome rim)
 Date:  4/20/2001 5:20:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  aa2345@wayne.edu
 Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
 To:    team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
 
 
 Paul,
 
 I have a 95 VR4 also and I managed to dent one of the Right rims.  I ordered
 a new rim from Connicelly Mitsu, and they sent me the one from the 96+ cars.
 
 The difference between the 2 rim is so subtle that it took me 3 months to
 notice that I have been driving on the wrong rim (same dimensions-->8.5x18
 chrome rim).
 
 I just wanted to tell you that I need another rim.  If you ever choose to
get
 other rims (lighter, nicer...) for your car, then I would like to have a rim
 from the right side.  I'll pay a reasonable amount.  Then I can turn around
 and sell my 96+ 18 chrome rim (I believe the VR4s had the same rims from
 96-99).
 
 This offer goes for anyone else that wants to sell a rim or needs to buy a
 rim.
 
 Thanks for listening.
 
 MIKE
 95 Red VR4
 3 stock 18" chrome rims and one 96+ 18" chrome rim
 if you don't look careful enough, you can't notice.
  >>

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:57:43 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE:  Spare tire (now:  Need 95 18" VR4 Chrome rim)

Troy,

I'm not looking to make a profit on this wheel.  I bought it from Connicelli
Mitsu for$526.79 + shiping after discount (part no. MR 197761).  I cannot
give it to you just yet because I have to have a regular wheel in its place.
I only drove it 3 monts so far so it's practically new.  So, I can sell it
to you for whatever I can get another 95 18" Chrome rim for.

Anyway, before we get any more excited, we have to really doublecheck that
my wheel is the same as your 96 VR4.  I can take some pictures, or if you
have a website, send me to it to lok @ your car.  You can go to my website,
but the car has the 95 wheels on.
http://www.cs.wayne.edu/~iraicu/personal/cars/main_personal_cars_95.htm
You have to look really careful to notice the difference.  Your 96 wheels
should have an indentation in the spokes and your spokes are slightly
skinnier.

I'll send a picture of the new 18" chrome wheel to you and the list by
tomorrow.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: RDO26@aol.com [mailto:RDO26@aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 10:26 AM
> To: aa2345@mail1.wayne.edu
> Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Spare tire (now: Need 95 18" VR4 Chrome rim)
>
>
> OK, I'll bite.
>
> I'm looking in my Mitchell's part book and they only list one 18"
> rim from
> 95-99. How is your's different? Do you have any pics?
>
> Ron
>
> In a message dated 4/20/2001 5:20:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> aa2345@wayne.edu writes:
>
>  From:  aa2345@wayne.edu
>  Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>  To:    team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
>
>  Paul,
>
>  I have a 95 VR4 also and I managed to dent one of the Right
> rims.  I ordered
>  a new rim from Connicelly Mitsu, and they sent me the one from
> the 96+ cars.
>
>  The difference between the 2 rim is so subtle that it took me 3
> months to
>  notice that I have been driving on the wrong rim (same
> dimensions-->8.5x18
>  chrome rim).
>
>  I just wanted to tell you that I need another rim.  If you ever
> choose to
> get
>  other rims (lighter, nicer...) for your car, then I would like
> to have a rim
>  from the right side.  I'll pay a reasonable amount.  Then I can
> turn around
>  and sell my 96+ 18 chrome rim (I believe the VR4s had the same rims from
>  96-99).
>
>  This offer goes for anyone else that wants to sell a rim or
> needs to buy a
>  rim.
>
>  Thanks for listening.
>
>  MIKE
>  95 Red VR4
>  3 stock 18" chrome rims and one 96+ 18" chrome rim
>  if you don't look careful enough, you can't notice.

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